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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: david willis on January 20, 2010, 02:20:38 pm
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Funded City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Dates 2010 Feb March
11.02.10 Central London Full
17.02.10 South London Full
16.02.10 Leeds Limited spaces
18.02.10 South London Full
19.02.10 Central London Full
23.02.10 Birmingham Limited spaces
01.03.10 Central London Spaces available
10.03.10 Cambridge Spaces available
24.03.10 South London Limited spaces
25.03.10 Manchester Spaces available
26.03.10 Surrey Spaces available
30.03.10 Northampton Spaces available
31.03.10 Norwich Spaces available
For more details:
Tel: 01205 769032
Web: www.training43.com
Email: info@training43.com
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Nothing in Scotland?
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Hi
Sorry, unfortunately we do not recieve funding allocations for outside of England and funding is based on your home address
Regards,
Impact Team
There are courses available which you can fund yourself i.e. British Window Cleaning Academy
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what about cornwall way, i dont fancy a 6 hour drive to london
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What does Level 2 actually involve?
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does in cover wales
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Is it for out of work people.
Experienced people
Or people with no experience
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Is for out of work people.
Experienced people
Or people with no experience
Ok, but what aspects does it cover?
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what about cornwall way, i dont fancy a 6 hour drive to london
In the past Cornwall has been a hard one for us to fill.
We do however have a good overall interest in the south west and we have decided to place a date in September this year, we will hold the course in plymouth and it will be a case those in surrounding areas having to travel to plymouth if they want to take the course.
This is the only way we can facilitate the south west area
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what about cornwall way, i dont fancy a 6 hour drive to london
If you go onto the website it shows ALL the available courses, and there is one in Plymouth on 6th Sept 2010
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what about cornwall way, i dont fancy a 6 hour drive to london
In the past Cornwall has been a hard one for us to fill.
We do however have a good overall interest in the south west and we have decided to place a date in September this year, we will hold the course in plymouth and it will be a case those in surrounding areas having to travel to plymouth if they want to take the course.
This is the only way we can facilitate the south west area
David
I have requested two places on the Plymouth course via your website.
Thanks
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wales ?????
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wales ?????
Hi Lammy,
I will check further for you, we have been advised in the past that funding is not available unless you live in England
Email me your details and I will advise you on my findings
Regards,
David
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For further information on the course please email me at david.willis@impact43.com and I will forward a PDF document with all details, also our newsletter.... I can not seem to upload the PDF on the forum
Regards,
David
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just emailed the info at training
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Just don't ask him anything about waterfed pole, because they know ZERO about wfp.
Yes thats right, a window cleaning course done by someone who knows nothing about waterfed poles.
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my workers doing nvq level 2 in scotland funded by my local council and they have to come out and asses his work and it is done over months. so how you can do it in a classroom is beyond me. i did ask if i could do it but it was going to cost me 1200 quid or 800 if my income was low enough
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Just don't ask him anything about waterfed pole, because they ZERO about wfp.
Yes thats right, a window cleaning course done by someone who knows nothing about waterfed poles.
Really what use is that then? ???
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So nothing to do with WFP?
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is level 2 the one i did ??
any spaces in manchester i have someone i could put through
sean
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Really what use is that then?
Yes my thought exactly, but he doesnt like it when you ask him about it so tread carefully.
Last time he was on here going on about these courses, and when it became apparent they knew nothing about WFP, (and I mean NOTHING) he got all defensive and asked about MY training and dragged up my first post on here from when I was a newbie, as if that proved something.
(all it proved was that even though I've only been window cleaning for a couple of years, I still know 100% more about waterfed poles than they do)
He didnt seem to understand that it wasnt ME who was saying I could train window cleaners!
Based on that experience, I will never ever use them, and would avoid them.
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Oh my God, a City and Guilds in Window Cleaning; sorry, level 2; you couldn't make it up!!!
How long does it take to clean bloody windows?
Honestly lads, how did we all manage to learn our jobs before this course was thought up; it's a wonder we ever managed ??? ???
Sorry but I really can't take this seriously; someone please tell me it's a wind up.
Also, with the forseeable future being WFP what use is a course with no WFP to learn about ??? ??? ???
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it isnt anything really about how to clean a window and it does touch alot on all aspects of cleaning , mainly heavy industrial areas where risks and legislation are high - mewps, cradles etc
why does everyone on here jump to bash something that someone is doing free mostly that benefits window cleaners, if you cant see thebenefit to your business, dont do it, its that simple - but dont knock it
I know the guys fairly well and they are both very knowledgable and really helpful
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Is it a case of helping industry or is it all purely for profit.
I can't see why we can't get these people who want to help the industry to come to Cornwall.
Yes good isnt it, leave out Cornwall because there isnt enough profit in it.
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Profit , profit , profit.
Would you ??
If theres no profit then it not good business is it - they never claimed to be a charity
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Cornwall? Where's that ???
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i thought you were all for the fwc
isnt mr willis working on there panel now?
hope your not jealous :)
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What exactly do you learn on this course ? Can someone who has done it before let us know what you do on the course.
It does seem a laugh, but its that something extra that could help secure a commercial customer who is big on training
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Is it a case of helping industry or is it all purely for profit.
I can't see why we can't get these people who want to help the industry to come to Cornwall.
Yes good isnt it, leave out Cornwall because there isnt enough profit in it.
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Profit , profit , profit.
Seems to me that some window cleaners want to earn the money yet are not willing to pay out money for things, not aimed at you directly Dave, just a point, all want it cheap yet when it comes to there own pricing they are high in price. I think they say whats good for the goose is good for the gander...
Dave if you want your guys nvq'd send them on the course and stop being a tight ass. it is your own fault for moving to cornwall :P
I sent mine and that was in birmingham I live know where near that place
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Thats brilliant cheered me up no end. NVQ in window cleaning lol ;D
I have one in plastering too and thats as much use as a chocolate fire guard, think it stands for Not Very Qualified, next they;ll be banning ladders ;D
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money for old rope
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Is it a case of helping industry or is it all purely for profit.
I can't see why we can't get these people who want to help the industry to come to Cornwall.
Yes good isnt it, leave out Cornwall because there isnt enough profit in it.
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Profit , profit , profit.
And not forgetting us in Somerset Dave. ;)
So this end of the country has Hundreds of W/C but we can't get them to come to us?? Hmmm!
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Ive just dropped onto this thread and would like to give a pro to David and is team,
We went through their course last year and ive found it fantastastic to put on any portfolio,
Dean
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Ive just dropped onto this thread and would like to give a pro to David and is team,
We went through their course last year and ive found it fantastastic to put on any portfolio,
Dean
;)
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Really what use is that then?
Yes my thought exactly, but he doesnt like it when you ask him about it so tread carefully.
Last time he was on here going on about these courses, and when it became apparent they knew nothing about WFP, (and I mean NOTHING) he got all defensive and asked about MY training and dragged up my first post on here from when I was a newbie, as if that proved something.
(all it proved was that even though I've only been window cleaning for a couple of years, I still know 100% more about waterfed poles than they do)
He didnt seem to understand that it wasnt ME who was saying I could train window cleaners!
Based on that experience, I will never ever use them, and would avoid them.
despite what your mates at iroincs BWA told you
window cleaning does involve other tools other that what they sell, a squeegee for example
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it isnt anything really about how to clean a window and it does touch alot on all aspects of cleaning , mainly heavy industrial areas where risks and legislation are high - mewps, cradles etc
why does everyone on here jump to bash something that someone is doing free mostly that benefits window cleaners, if you cant see thebenefit to your business, dont do it, its that simple - but dont knock it
I know the guys fairly well and they are both very knowledgable and really helpful
i know i have laughed at it in the past, but you make a good point
l
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??? ::) ;D :'( thats all i can say
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i have deleted my posts on this thread because this was a serious topic by david willis who is just trying to run a biz, sorry david
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me too. a thread hijack is not what i intended, just to see if matt was actually too scared to name the company implied by his nickname "ironics". For thos of you who missed it, yes he WAS too scared.
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Ian
these guys want to help industry, we arranged to have them down here, they cancelled , moved the venue further then further again.
I had 6 people from my own company to go on the course.
If they want my business then they will have to come to me..
Sean
Jealous hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm ? No, If I were I would of put myself forwrds at the recent ballot, beside that I am having far too much fun expanding my empire.
i was only messing pal, i just thought you would of understood of all people why someone with a business would not do something unprofitable
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Hi All
Without getting into some debate, I placed the dates on the forum to raise awareness of the NVQ funding and course, the current Train to Gain funding through the LSC is being re-directed by the Govenment and greatly reduced as we predicted last year. The awareness on the forum is to try and facilitate forum users with funding. This provides forum users a chance of gaining a recognised qualification in their profession.
I have had some positive responses so far and would like to thank those individuals for their interest.
I will answer the debate on Cornwall for you:
Annually we are allocated a learner fund within our partnership with South Thames and Merton College, we have the UK sole contract to provide the NVQ in window cleaning. Last years total learner capacity was reduced from 600 to 300 learners.
Areas like Birmingham, Central London, Leeds, Bristol, Southampton, Manchester, and others was oversubscribed with interest, therfore areas such as Cornwall that we would have liked to facilitate was withdrawn due to insufficient numbers, this has nothiong to do with profit as mentioned by Dave Morris. I would at this point thank and confirm that David has been very proactive and behind the NVQ and we would very much like to provide support to him if we can
David advised last year he wanted 6 places which if I remember was reduced to 4 and two other companies put names forward but nearer the date pulled out their window cleaners asking if we could change dates. I personally spent alot of time on Cornwall and trying to facilitate for the area as I am sure Dave can remember
Our funding contract for 2010 at present stands at 300 learners and we have already secured and reserved places for 50%, please note our marketing starts next week for this year and will end at Windex in March so we can assure we will have sufficient numbers
Our date for South West is to be held in Plymouth and we would welcome all forum users to be first to secure training spaces before we market the area direct. Plymouth 6th September
We aim to secure additional funding during 2010 and if successful we would look at any requested location as long as there are 10-15 learners willing to commit to taking the course.
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can i put someone on manchester dave ?
sean
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can i put someone on manchester dave ?
sean
Hi Sean
Hope you and the family are keeping well
I can allocate a space for Manchester, email me the details of the person you wish to place on and I will send all relevant info over.
Thanks
David
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Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.
We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.
The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.
Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.
They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).
Steve a
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Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.
We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.
The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.
Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.
They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).
Steve a
thats exactly how it works with my lad who is being assesed at the moment. i dont have to give him time off to go to college and they come and visit us on site. always very helpfull
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Just don't ask him anything about waterfed pole, because they know ZERO about wfp.
Yes thats right, a window cleaning course done by someone who knows nothing about waterfed poles.
I think David covered this in the past however if in doubt readers should refer to earlier posts about DR qualification and experience
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Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.
We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.
The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.
Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.
They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).
Steve a
I can confirm we provide all that Preston have provided you
We do however also provide cutting edge training which after all was/should be the basis of Train to Gain surely
Would you be happy to advise the total hours your assessor / Preston has provided with you in total and also the Unit titles you have completed.
I am interested what qualification you had before taking the NVQ . This would not be experience but certification which Preston may have been used as prior learning.
The training provided by us is supplied at our cost and is therefore above the required total hours we need to provide. "Since you made a comment I am just genuinely interested"
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You really just don't understand what I'm saying. I am not the one claiming I can train people.
You dont know anything about waterfed poles, as you have never used them.
How you can claim that you are going to train window cleaners when you know nothing about this vital area is beyond me.
I just dont see why you think that my experience changes this?
I have been a window cleaner for a couple of years using waterfed pole. I am not claiming I can train people, YOU are.
Why don't you answer the point about you having no experience using waterfed poles, and that you don't know anything about using them?
No offense, but attacking me does not alter the fact that you have no experience using waterfed pole, but still somehow claim you can train people.
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how long will it be before the nvq is complusry just to get a job as a window cleaner, on the plus side any one comeing in to it is class as an appretise and they only get paid 20 a day lol
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No offense, but attacking me does not alter the fact that you have no experience using waterfed pole, but still somehow claim you can train people.
That sounds about right to me. Those who can, do. And those who can't, teach. Its the way it works.
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it isnt anything really about how to clean a window and it does touch alot on all aspects of cleaning , mainly heavy industrial areas where risks and legislation are high - mewps, cradles etc
why does everyone on here jump to bash something that someone is doing free mostly that benefits window cleaners, if you cant see thebenefit to your business, dont do it, its that simple - but dont knock it
I know the guys fairly well and they are both very knowledgable and really helpful
Too right. I say reserve judgement until it's tried. I've just applied for Crawley in March. If it's at the local college, it's so close that I will walk in ;D
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DR Windows
Can I make a suggestion
Why don't you sign up for our NVQ course, we don't need to know you are DR windows from the forum and actually meet our team and trainers, you will then have a true judgement on how competent you feel our trainers are and how good our course is.
I will then be very interested in your future comments whether they are positive or negative and it will be an interesting experiment for the forum in general
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david willis, when r the classes in plymouth
can i sign up for 1 place
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The way I see it david, its like this:
You get funding from the government to run this course.
So, you get as many window cleaners as possible to come to it, and you get your fee for each one. It doesnt actually cost the window cleaner anything (except time), but you get paid from the government for each one you train.
It doesnt matter that you don't actually know anything about one of the main method of window cleaning, because people arent going to complain about something thats free are they?. It wouldn't even matter if the course is of no practical use, because its free.
You have said yourself that you wont do training where there is no funding (like scotland) which tells me a great deal. It tells me that people would not pay for this. Maybe if you were charging for this course people might demand their money back as it didn't, for example, cover the main method of window cleaning - waterfed poles.
But why complain if its free eh? I'll tell you why. Because its not free, that funding you get comes from our taxes, and nothing you have said has convinced me that this course is worth anything. I object to paying tax only for people like you to pop up, who dont really know anything about what you claim to be training, but still do it because you get a fee from the government. To me that is little better than a scam.
That, and for the fact that I know more about the window cleaning that really matters - WFP - than you, is the reason I won't be coming.
If the funding from the government were to stop, as it might well do, then you would no longer do the course.
If you are so confident about how wonderful this training is, why don't you just charge the fee where there isnt any funding?
And out of interest, how much do you get from the government for each window cleaner? (I bet you don't answer that)
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david willis, when r the classes in plymouth
can i sign up for 1 place
You have mail
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The way I see it david, its like this:
You get funding from the government to run this course.
So, you get as many window cleaners as possible to come to it, and you get your fee for each one. It doesnt actually cost the window cleaner anything (except time), but you get paid from the government for each one you train.
It doesnt matter that you don't actually know anything about one of the main method of window cleaning, because people arent going to complain about something thats free are they?. It wouldn't even matter if the course is of no practical use, because its free.
You have said yourself that you wont do training where there is no funding (like scotland) which tells me a great deal. It tells me that people would not pay for this. Maybe if you were charging for this course people might demand their money back as it didn't, for example, cover the main method of window cleaning - waterfed poles.
But why complain if its free eh? I'll tell you why. Because its not free, that funding you get comes from our taxes, and nothing you have said has convinced me that this course is worth anything. I object to paying tax only for people like you to pop up, who dont really know anything about what you claim to be training, but still do it because you get a fee from the government. To me that is little better than a scam.
That, and for the fact that I know more about the window cleaning that really matters - WFP - than you, is the reason I won't be coming.
If the funding from the government were to stop, as it might well do, then you would no longer do the course.
If you are so confident about how wonderful this training is, why don't you just charge the fee where there isnt any funding?
And out of interest, how much do you get from the government for each window cleaner? (I bet you don't answer that)
Do you really believe that because the course is for free (if eligible) people would just not bother giving their true opinions?
You have said yourself that you wont do training where there is no funding (like scotland) which tells me a great deal......... We do not choose where the funding is allocated, would you come and clean my windows for free?
If you are so confident about how wonderful this training is, why don't you just charge the fee where there isnt any funding?..... if the interest was there, we would love too. Why deliver the training and charge people when the funding is available to those who don't have to pay?
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Why deliver the training and charge people when the funding is available to those who don't have to pay?
Because as we have seen, it is not always available, like in Scotland. What you are saying is that you wont do it unless its free to the window cleaner. Which says to me that you recognise that window cleaners would not pay for this. And if I paid to go on so-called window cleaning training that missed out waterfed pole, then I would be asking for my money back.
If window cleaners themselves wont pay for it, because as you say 'the interest is not there' then why should the taxpayer foot the bill?
How much do you get from the government for each window cleaner?
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Why deliver the training and charge people when the funding is available to those who don't have to pay?
Because as we have seen, it is not always available, like in Scotland. What you are saying is that you wont do it unless its free to the window cleaner. Which says to me that you recognise that window cleaners would not pay for this. And if I paid to go on so-called window cleaning training that missed out waterfed pole, then I would be asking for my money back.
If window cleaners themselves wont pay for it, because as you say 'the interest is not there' then why should the taxpayer foot the bill?
How much do you get from the government for each window cleaner?
All our training dates and areas are on our website
We will be at the 'window cleaning' show Windex on stand B2.... we welcome you to come and meet us at any point and we will answer any questions you have face to face.
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We will be at the 'window cleaning' show Windex on stand B2.... we welcome you to come and meet us at any point and we will answer any questions you have face to face.
Cop-out
Why dont you just answer them here?
You're quite prepared to use the forum to get more people on your training so you can claim more money from the government, but you don't want to answer any of the awkward questions.
How much do you get from the government for each window cleaner?
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Willis
It is not the same you are a supplier selling your wares, so its up to you to "sell" your product and answer any awkward questions.
All I said was Profit, Was there anything wrong with that? Is it not true ?
Cheers
Dave
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Willis
It is not the same you are a supplier selling your wares, so its up to you to "sell" your product and answer any awkward questions.
All I said was Profit, Was there anything wrong with that? Is it not true ?
Cheers
Dave
dave i have read your reply and i read it that you expect david willis to answer drwindows idiotic question about how much he gets for each window cleaner
surely you dont expect him to answer it
its like a window cleaner asking you how much you get to clean so-and-so hotel in cornwall, your never going to tell him
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David,
Are there any spaces left in Manchester 25,03,2010 need 2 spaces if possible I have left a phone messge and enquired via email but no reply?
Funded City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Dates 2010 Feb March
11.02.10 Central London Full
17.02.10 South London Full
16.02.10 Leeds Limited spaces
18.02.10 South London Full
19.02.10 Central London Full
23.02.10 Birmingham Limited spaces
01.03.10 Central London Spaces available
10.03.10 Cambridge Spaces available
24.03.10 South London Limited spaces
25.03.10 Manchester Spaces available
26.03.10 Surrey Spaces available
30.03.10 Northampton Spaces available
31.03.10 Norwich Spaces available
For more details:
Tel: 01205 769032
Web: www.training43.com
Email: info@training43.com
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matt
not at all, Willis commented on another thread about something, so my answer was to that.
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matt
not at all, Willis commented on another thread about something, so my answer was to that.
Oh ok, i thought it was a little strange for you to expect the OTT demands ( see what i did then, i will explain it to you drwindows if you dont get it ) of drwindows, as who would expect Willis to tell us how much he gets
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matt
not at all, Willis commented on another thread about something, so my answer was to that.
I beg to differ, the way I see it is you both have a business, you both post things about your business on the forum and both businesses can be damaged by idiots gobbing off (that mainly refers to DRwindows who seems to have problems with bitterness and lacks work resulting in endless forum time).... one difference is you get to control the threads about yours and also comment on the others
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Old timer
He comes here to sell his goods I dont.
If he wants to sell, then he should expect the odd awkward question.
I am selling nothing, I come here to share my experiences with my fellow posters
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P.S
If the Willis family found something particularly damaging to ther business and they emailed me i would look at the offending posts and delete them.
Thats not saying i would just delete all the negative comments and leave the positive ones
Dave
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Old timer
He comes here to sell his goods I dont.
If he wants to sell, then he should expect the odd awkward question.
I am selling nothing, I come here to share my experiences with my fellow posters
I agree there is a difference to the reason why you are both on here, however both can have the same effect from negativity...... do you disagree?
Also although they are selling something I feel the comments by DR Windows are a tad too harsh and he needs to get a life
I am not trying to get at you personally but would you be as well known in the industry if it wasn't for this forum...... therefore I feel it is for business purposes also
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Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.
We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.
The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.
Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.
They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).
Steve a
I can confirm we provide all that Preston have provided you
We do however also provide cutting edge training which after all was/should be the basis of Train to Gain surely
Would you be happy to advise the total hours your assessor / Preston has provided with you in total and also the Unit titles you have completed.
I am interested what qualification you had before taking the NVQ . This would not be experience but certification which Preston may have been used as prior learning.
The training provided by us is supplied at our cost and is therefore above the required total hours we need to provide. "Since you made a comment I am just genuinely interested"
Can not do this at the mo as the folders and other stuff have been taken for assessment by who ever does it (city &guilds, maybe) and we are due to receive back sometime in February with our certificates if successful.
HtH
Steve a
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Also although they are selling something I feel the comments by DR Windows are a tad too harsh and he needs to get a life
dont we all
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We're never too old to learn as they say, and I'm sure that I would be surprised if I was to attend one of these courses.
It's not just about learning though is it? It's a lot to do with covering your backside as an employer.
The one thing that nails employers if there's an accident is adequacy of training.
An employer must be able to prove that his employee has been adequately trained to perform his duties, and this is where a course like this has major benefits for both employer and employee.
It's just another example of how the insurance industry is attempting to deal with ambulance chasing lawyers.
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We're never too old to learn as they say, and I'm sure that I would be surprised if I was to attend one of these courses.
It's not just about learning though is it? It's a lot to do with covering your backside as an employer.
The one thing that nails employers if there's an accident is adequacy of training.
An employer must be able to prove that his employee has been adequately trained to perform his duties, and this is where a course like this has major benefits for both employer and employee.
It's just another example of how the insurance industry is attempting to deal with ambulance chasing lawyers.
And there is that of course.
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dave i have read your reply and i read it that you expect david willis to answer drwindows idiotic question about how much he gets for each window cleaner
surely you dont expect him to answer it
its like a window cleaner asking you how much you get to clean so-and-so hotel in cornwall, your never going to tell him
Its not an idiotic question at all, and that is a wrong parallel.
Its more like a customer asking how much for a window cleaner to clean his house.
WE are the customers, willis & co are trying to sell their course to us. Just because they claim the fee from the government, doesnt mean we shouldnt know how much they are claimimg for our training. I bet its at least £500.
What a suprise, I told you he wouldnt answer that question.
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N.E. ENGLAND ::)
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Has anyone booked a course yet?
I've booked online for the Northampton course, over a week ago and not heard anything since!