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Title: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 03:27:21 pm
I've had this pole for around 3 months from new it has 10 sections,will reach around 61 feet. only used it 6 times, from new but having problems pulling section 1 & section 2 apart & section 4 & 5 I always greese each section and don't force the sections  together, today this has happened again but this time could not remove them the pole feels reel bendy at 7 sections do you think as the poles bends it is tightening the sections to the point that they can't be pulled apart. This weekend i've got to use all 10 sections on a new contract any help please.

p.s I am useing superlite brush & goose neck
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: ftp on November 12, 2009, 03:37:31 pm
Do you use the electrical tape trick?
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 03:49:25 pm
no, do you mean tape below each section to know the depth
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2009, 04:32:51 pm
no, do you mean tape below each section to know the depth

Put the pole together and tape the male section, just underneath the female section to act as a 'stop'.

We do this with DIY poles!  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 04:35:13 pm
o.k will try this thanks mate
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2009, 04:49:51 pm
o.k will try this thanks mate

Carefull though, because the poles won't slot inside each other in a tidy fashion.  I lump all mine together in a ski bag!  Another tip, from Matt, is to use different colour electrical tape so you can easily see which two peices of pole slot together.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 04:54:17 pm
nice one off to the garage
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Jeff Brimble on November 12, 2009, 04:56:36 pm
Here is a pic the blue tape on the bottom 14.5 section  is the buffer,Two turns should do,do all the sections like this (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/JeffBrimble/2009_0119CillBrush0329.jpg) and still be stackable
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 05:10:38 pm
Thanks for the photo's Jeff been reading your post  over the years great info mate
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: ftp on November 12, 2009, 05:38:30 pm
You don't need a lot. Heres my Gardiners Superlight. Couple of turns is plenty and they will still stack.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: AuRavelling79 on November 12, 2009, 05:47:28 pm
If they do stick you and a mate twist anti clockwise wearing rubber gloves and "inside out" gaffer tape on each section.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: ftp on November 12, 2009, 05:50:00 pm
And if that doesn't work, pick up the pole and try it.  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: leapstallbuildings on November 12, 2009, 06:41:12 pm
Spray WD40 in there periodically before trying to untwist them (one person on each section).
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 12, 2009, 09:05:22 pm
I had to destroy a number 2 section to remove it from a no 1 section.

Most times i can unstick them, but one time we just had to grin and bear it and destroy one section to salvage another.

Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 09:22:21 pm
This is what im worried about breaking one section to salvage the other will try rubber gloves to remove.The wife and I joined a gym a few months ago but still can't release the sections
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Jeff Brimble on November 12, 2009, 09:31:35 pm
Didnt realise they were still stuck, get a hot air gun and heat up both sections untill you cannot touch them then cool down the bottom section, do it at least 4 times with water or let it cool naturally. Last time just leave it cool. Then go to bed. In the morning try undoing them. :) repeat until they seperate, they just go easily all of a sudden. (its ok they are baked in an oven when they are made and are fire proof.)
It does work I have done it quite a few times now. The tape trick is mine and it also works. Using a lubricant doesnt do much except push the joints further together, you really want a bit of wear  and the buffer tape to stop compaction, so they are easir to work with on a daily basis.
Hope this helps as they say  :)
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 12, 2009, 09:45:38 pm
ok try it tomorrow will let you know the outcome
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: mark dew on November 12, 2009, 09:50:01 pm
I had to destroy a number 2 section to remove it from a no 1 section.

Same here. Have been unstuck successfully between me and my neighbour many times. But have been beaten by it once.
Gotta get another bit now.
Brilliant pole though. Takes alot of stick.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Smudger on November 13, 2009, 07:50:17 am
Having just brought a superlite i am reading this with interest ( and  worry!)

I know PTFE lube and Vaseline is used to keep the sections free but perhaps something a little more heavy duty
could be used ?  has anyone tried/tested copperease/molyslip antiseize grease - would this be ok or damage the pole or you can get silicone grease used on electrical stuff.


Darran
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: ftp on November 13, 2009, 08:00:14 am
Sometimes all this lubricant has the opposite effect. I jammed a couple of sections just after they had been treated with a fresh coat of ptfe spray the night before. It allows the sections to slide together even further and jam tighter. The tape trick always works for me. Also try not to assemble the pole in the pouring rain and keep the joints free of grit.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Jeff Brimble on November 14, 2009, 05:54:06 pm
Your awfully quiet Dave, how did the unsticking go ?????
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 14, 2009, 06:03:51 pm
Manage to pull 1 & 2 apart with my friend can not budge 4 & 5 but will be buying a blow torch tomorrow and will try your way we used the pole today all ten sections worked well have taped the section like in your photos
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 14, 2009, 06:09:00 pm
to add to my woes , we had a no 5 and 6 stuck together, now i only have one arm to grip with.

not good at all#
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 14, 2009, 06:28:28 pm
I ride Motocross Bikes have had that injury ten year ago came of my bike bloody painful took  me a couple of months to heal depends what age you are I was 39 back then
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 14, 2009, 06:33:35 pm
i am 42 , the doc said its only the second time he has ever seen the same injury
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Jeff Brimble on November 14, 2009, 07:05:12 pm
Dear Moderator ahem, now that your sitting idle  :-*, get the hot air gun out and play with it  ::) for as long as it takes, you now have the patience and time.
Heat it up and let it cool at least 6 times, then get your luverly lady to grip it tight and give it a twist  8)
Hope the two Daves have success tomorrow.
Shoulder, its the most complicated joint in the body, its floating. But I believe it will get better, good enough for work as long as you do totally what your told.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on November 14, 2009, 07:12:34 pm
I've had this pole for around 3 months from new it has 10 sections,will reach around 61 feet. only used it 6 times, from new but having problems pulling section 1 & section 2 apart & section 4 & 5 I always greese each section and don't force the sections  together, today this has happened again but this time could not remove them the pole feels reel bendy at 7 sections do you think as the poles bends it is tightening the sections to the point that they can't be pulled apart. This weekend i've got to use all 10 sections on a new contract any help please.

p.s I am useing superlite brush & goose neck

Where I highlighted is the problem.
I use carbon poles all the time for match fishing I have never ever used grease, grease holds on to dirt and dust!
all you need to do is keep the joints CLEAN and DRY.
Before fixing the sections to each other, rub your finger inside the end of the sections that slide over the next section.


Matt
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: mark dew on November 14, 2009, 11:48:12 pm
Having just brought a superlite i am reading this with interest ( and  worry!)

I wouldn't worry too much. There is very little that 4 hands can't do with the sl2.
Mine getting stuck fast then breaking was due to my own ignorance and haste. I acted after i posted the problem on here, but before i got the proper answers. Silly me.  ::)
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Window Washers on November 15, 2009, 12:43:30 am
Having just brought a superlite i am reading this with interest ( and  worry!)

I wouldn't worry too much. There is very little that 4 hands can't do with the sl2.
Mine getting stuck fast then breaking was due to my own ignorance and haste. I acted after i posted the problem on here, but before i got the proper answers. Silly me.  ::)
do you still have the broken section ? if so can I have it for a small fee ?

Ian
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: mark dew on November 15, 2009, 12:49:36 am
Yep still got it. It is a hammered no2 section with around 10 inches missing where it went into the no1 section. I also have the broken no1 section laying around.
The fee involved would be whatever it would cost to get to you.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Window Washers on November 15, 2009, 12:53:30 am
Yep still got it. It is a hammered no2 section with around 10 inches missing where it went into the no1 section. I also have the broken no1 section laying around.
The fee involved would be whatever it would cost to get to you.
I am up for that Mark can you find out for me ?
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: mark dew on November 15, 2009, 01:31:18 am
My postcode is nr33 0ub. Have got the package i got the pole with, so packing is no problem. Are you in a hurry with it? I can find out monday.

Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Window Washers on November 15, 2009, 01:47:28 am
My postcode is nr33 0ub. Have got the package i got the pole with, so packing is no problem. Are you in a hurry with it? I can find out monday.


no I just want to do some tests
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: mark dew on November 17, 2009, 08:02:47 pm
Yep still got it. It is a hammered no2 section with around 10 inches missing where it went into the no1 section. I also have the broken no1 section laying around.
The fee involved would be whatever it would cost to get to you.
I am up for that Mark can you find out for me ?

Ian it will cost £10.50. That's broken section 1 and 2 in cardboard tube.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: weetot on November 17, 2009, 08:16:12 pm
Try Beeswax on the pole.
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: stevieg on November 17, 2009, 10:30:55 pm
Its alright people advising heating and twisting but while your out working this isnt always practical. A 40 foot vertical pole isnt very friendly when its windy and stuck together as i know to my cost.
The best method is the electrical tape method,something i wish the sellers would advise before you first use them and not something you find out about off a forum when sections are damaged!!!!!
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 18, 2009, 10:15:52 am
And at £850 for the pole you think they would have supplied the tape
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Tosh on November 18, 2009, 11:32:16 am
Its alright people advising heating and twisting but while your out working this isnt always practical. A 40 foot vertical pole isnt very friendly when its windy and stuck together as i know to my cost.
The best method is the electrical tape method,something i wish the sellers would advise before you first use them and not something you find out about off a forum when sections are damaged!!!!!

If they were taped they'd look DIY!  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: david thomas on November 18, 2009, 12:23:41 pm
they may as well be d.I.Y why do they put these products on the market sick of these poles
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: jeff1 on November 18, 2009, 02:27:12 pm
Now I don't know if this will work because I'm poor and I can't afford a Carbon Modular pole  ;D but if someone wants to spend an extra couple of quid and try this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GRAPHITE-POWDER-fine-100g-bag_W0QQitemZ330376302562QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_RocksFossils_Minerals_EH?hash=item4cebf64fe2

Its graphite powder, Its used mainly in the lock industry to keep locks lubricated and the reason this is used rather than other lubricants is it lasts a lot longer than any other lubricant on the market and another of its main property is it does not attract dust, so maybe someone who wants to test it out and let the others know, If not if someone lives close to me then come here and I'll coat the Joints with some I have here.

Just thinking out aloud  ;)
Title: Re: Gardiner carbon modular poles the sections are stuck
Post by: Pole 2 Pole on November 18, 2009, 02:58:35 pm
I rubbed on turtle wax onto my pole sunday afternoon and i tell ya it glides so prefectly now, it's ridiculous. If i have to do that to my slx once a fortnight, it is such a small price to play for a stress free pole operation. Thought about beeswax.........i'll probably invest in some o that too. Costs pennies  ;)