Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: [GQC] Tim on October 05, 2009, 04:27:43 pm
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Haven't heard anything about this pole for a very long time. Anyone in the know regarding this pole, and when it will come out? Peter perhaps?
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Haven't heard anything about this pole for a very long time. Anyone in the know regarding this pole, and when it will come out? Peter perhaps?
I don't think this concept is acceptable for mainstream wfp, it won't catch on IMO therefore not worth the investment for R&D, manufacture etc.
Look at the auto-brush, interesting idea but useless in practice. There can be a tendancy to solve problems that are created & don't actually exist in real life.
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i strongly disagree 8)
the autobrush works absolutely fine and the clampless pole is what i prefer.
i understand that most folk are happy with poles that they are TOLD to use by the well known suppliers out there and thats fair enough if you are happy with your clamped pole, and to be fair they have their place, however i wouldnt want to force anyone to stick to just clamped poles, especially as there are alternatives out there thanks to ideas and efforts of the likes of peter. ;)
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Try a Gardiner super-lite brush, you might change your mind! The auto is like swinging a transformer round on the end of your pole! ;)
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peter is in the process of trialing the new pole, i was at his workshop a few weeks back and the new poles are there but isnt quite happy yet as is still tweaking and testing
and the auto brush is ace
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How does it work if you don’t lock the sections with a clamp?
the internal pole hose stops the pole from comming down the tricky bit is to stop the sections spinning and thats what petes managed to do, well almost
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Haven't heard anything about this pole for a very long time. Anyone in the know regarding this pole, and when it will come out? Peter perhaps?
I don't think this concept is acceptable for mainstream wfp, it won't catch on IMO therefore not worth the investment for R&D, manufacture etc.
Look at the auto-brush, interesting idea but useless in practice. There can be a tendancy to solve problems that are created & don't actually exist in real life.
the switch can be added to any brush including the super-lite brush, which is what i am going to do when i order mine next week, theres virtualy no weight to the switch,
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Haven't heard anything about this pole for a very long time. Anyone in the know regarding this pole, and when it will come out? Peter perhaps?
I don't think this concept is acceptable for mainstream wfp, it won't catch on IMO therefore not worth the investment for R&D, manufacture etc.
Look at the auto-brush, interesting idea but useless in practice. There can be a tendancy to solve problems that are created & don't actually exist in real life.
the switch can be added to any brush including the super-lite brush, which is what i am going to do when i order mine next week, theres virtualy no weight to the switch,
have to say totally agree with Joe on this, I use a tap so don't need the auto brush I do have one and the switch is very lite. and does not take many brain cells to convert any brush to use it. think the clampless pole is coming out soon.. I am sure when it does it will get reviews on here, if peter wants me to have a honest review I am more than willing to give it a window washers road test for a week.
Ian
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How does it work if you don’t lock the sections with a clamp?
the internal pole hose stops the pole from comming down the tricky bit is to stop the sections spinning and thats what petes managed to do, well almost
The clamps locking two sections together are another factor for making the pole rigid, if he is using the hose to stop the sections falling and sorts out the spinning problem, will the pole still be lose and less rigid?
I still can’t see the benefits having a pole without clamps even if all the problems were ironed out. Can you list any benefits with this type of pole yourself?
Yes. Speed. It's much faster to bump your clampless pole up and down than to have to mess about with clamps. I used my pole clampless when I broke a clamp handle first job one morning. I tried it clampless and removed the other clamp in the afternoon.
Clampless is king of speed.
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speed...without a doubt.....i save a wee bit of time putting the pole up as i pull the pole out to the desired height and lift it, but when it comes to bringing it back down thats where the clampless pole comes into its own.....i can be doing a third floor window (start counting) and by the 3rd count i am cleaning the bottom window with the same pole and brush ;)
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i have tried and use clamped poles from time to time and they have their place ewan, some of them are quite good......and its good that you have a pole that you can lower in 3 seconds (which one is it you are using btw) but i have to say i prefer clampless......have you had a try of a clampless pole ewan?
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i would say a couple of ounce of the pole as there will be no clamps , probably easier going over garages to reach window, not catching on the gutter,
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scrimman, i have tried many times to contact peter, i have a good idea for a trigger that can hold and release the hose automaticly, so you dont need to use your hand holding the hose,
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very interesting Joe....i would be interested in having a look, my research and development team will be in touch with you. ;)
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hello Joe how its going.....scrimmy's research and development team 8)
just kidding.....one question though Joe...how will the pole stay up without holding the hose?
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doh, i need to learn how to read...you answered it already...a trigger......i reckon i am just as brite as trigger from only fools and horses....hey that reminds me of the episode with trigger getting his award from the council for having his broom for the longest time, its only had 6 new heads and 15 new handles.........i have had the same squeegee for the last 25 years, its only had 15 new channels and 20 new handles.
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I find it a bit hard to believe Ewan or anyone else lowers a pole from third floor and is cleaning ground floor in under 3 seconds.
Also Ewan seems reluctant to divulge which poles he uses (I asked once before). This is not a trick question or a dig at Ewan.
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its true, i do ;)
clampless pole...comes down like a bullet train ;D
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doh, i need to learn how to read...you answered it already...a trigger......i reckon i am just as brite as trigger from only fools and horses....hey that reminds me of the episode with trigger getting his award from the council for having his broom for the longest time, its only had 6 new heads and 15 new handles.........i have had the same squeegee for the last 25 years, its only had 15 new channels and 20 new handles.
Same rubber though ;D
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Clampless is MUCH quicker,... the old style poles where the head spins are tricky to use though and I found they wore out very quickly. The old ones are fibreglass, so they are a bit whippy, but no more so than clamped poles IMO. I'd love to see the same concept applied to a CF pole moulded in a shape so the sections wouldn't spin. I suspect carbon wear would make the whole idea unworkable though.
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i am not getting at you personally ewan, but i would say to ANYONE who slates an idea or a concept WITHOUT even trying it out for themselves could be accused of being a bit narrow minded, and that would go for folks that think ONLY clampless poles are best without trying out clamped poles ;)
each to their own in the end surely ewan? ;D
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Imagine working in all the positions & situations that you encounter in a day & HAVING to hold the pole hose secure at all times!!! What if your over a conny roof or reaching over a BMW & you let go!!!! :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D
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Well?????????
Don't tell me you never thought of that one? ;D
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Imagine working in all the positions & situations that you encounter in a day & HAVING to hold the pole hose secure at all times!!! What if your over a conny roof or reaching over a BMW & you let go!!!! :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D
That's just what I was thinking.
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thats why i mentioned, i have the trigger to stop you actualy holding the hose 8)
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Imagine working in all the positions & situations that you encounter in a day & HAVING to hold the pole hose secure at all times!!! What if your over a conny roof or reaching over a BMW & you let go!!!! :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D
If you let go the pole just concertina's back into itself,.. it doesn't drop to the floor!
Its actually very easy to do,.. just 1 finger on the basecap of the pole,...
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Imagine working in all the positions & situations that you encounter in a day & HAVING to hold the pole hose secure at all times!!! What if your over a conny roof or reaching over a BMW & you let go!!!! :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D
Wouldn't some sort of clamp near the base of the pole be able to hold the hose in position for awkward windows? Oddly enough, something similar to the earlier SLX clamps that could be adapted to hold the hose but not actually pinch it enough to stop the flow. Just a matter of looping the pole hose up a couple of inches, clamp it, then clean. I imagine it wouldn't be too laborious as it would only be for certain trickier windows. I've never tried telesccopic clampess so this might be a daft thought.
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i think the debate can go on and on so i reckon the best thing for all those who are curious about the merits of clampless poles and dont want to fork out a couple of hundred quid on peters pole without being reassured of the merits then i suggest you buy this cheap imitation.
http://www.skyblueleisure.co.uk/acatalog/10_metre_Telescopic_pole.html
it will last approx 3-6 months using it 3 days a week.
all you do is buy an alloy pole holder from cleantech or any supplier and an angle adaptor from any supplier and some 10mm OD hose again from any supplier ( i find 30 metres of it works best for a trolley system, but you can buy it in 100 metre reels from hydrasun for about 30 quid)
then assembly of the thing takes 10 mins.....discard a couple of sections ( to whichever one the pole holder fits into)
simples.
then when you see how easy it is to hold it up and let it drop etc (takes acouple of minutes to get used to) you can then invest in peters professional pole. ;)
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if using the harris clampless, for any awkward windows over conservatories, then i use the clamps, other than that they are slackened off for any other job.
on 2storie houses no other clamped pole will come close for speed of use.
its not just the lowering of the pole that is quick, extending it too is so fast, i can have the poe from closed to cleaning in 5sec on an upstairs window. then 2sec to come down.
also a good advantage is down the sides of houses cleaning landing windows, once the pole is up and you have no room to stand back then just release the hose at the base and let it come down a few inches or as much as you need without ever stopping cleaning.
i use ordinary non-reinforced 5mm clear pole hose.
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i too use the harris that way...great piece of kit......not high enough for 3 rd floors though which is a shame..but its excellent on 2 story houses.
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for that kind of work.....not enough time to justify you splashing out the 25 quid i would say ewan.......however if you were fortunate enough to have some good work next to each other..ie a run of say 20 or more houses in a row then you will save at least 10-15% in time
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for that kind of work.....not enough time to justify you splashing out the 25 quid i would say ewan.......however if you were fortunate enough to have some good work next to each other..ie a run of say 20 or more houses in a row then you will save at least 10-15% in time
I just calculated how long it takes to open and close 4 clamps. About 8 seconds. Usually I only use the top two sections, which reaches most of my works. So let's say it takes me 10 seconds tops to open and close them on a standard semi detached house. If I would do 20 of them a day, I would save 200 seconds a day. Which translates to 3 minutes gained a day. Which would mean probably £2 to £3 a day. I think in the long run, it could make you some more money. I think 10-15% is a bit too optimistic.
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What clamped pole do you have Ewan?
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What clamped pole do you have Ewan?
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;D ;D ;D
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for that kind of work.....not enough time to justify you splashing out the 25 quid i would say ewan.......however if you were fortunate enough to have some good work next to each other..ie a run of say 20 or more houses in a row then you will save at least 10-15% in time
I just calculated how long it takes to open and close 4 clamps. About 8 seconds. Usually I only use the top two sections, which reaches most of my works. So let's say it takes me 10 seconds tops to open and close them on a standard semi detached house. If I would do 20 of them a day, I would save 200 seconds a day. Which translates to 3 minutes gained a day. Which would mean probably £2 to £3 a day. I think in the long run, it could make you some more money. I think 10-15% is a bit too optimistic.
For me it would mean I went home 3 minutes earlier than I would have otherwise. I have a target to earn and go out and earn it. The I go home. Simples.
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What clamped pole do you have Ewan?
It is top secret. If he told you he would probably have to kill you.
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Let's wait & see, might not just be about time saved but more ease of use.
If someone described a wagtail flipper to me 6 months ago I would probably have laughed! Then I got one & now it has replaced all my traditional squeegees 6" & above!!!! :o ;)
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i hear an echo :D
what clamped pole do you use ewan? 8)
maybe you are using the new MI5 or the top secret wfp pole that NASA is working on?...doh i just gave the game away..sorry NASA......i couldnt help it.......but i promise i wont tell them about the new alien find.
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It wont matter what pole he is using apparently.....
He likes his notoriety anyway.
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dont u just hate these guys who go after fame MATT.
i wont mention the helen hunt lookalike stalker in a diving suit ;)
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dont u just hate these guys who go after fame MATT.
i wont mention the helen hunt lookalike stalker in a diving suit ;)
But she was worth it, what a babe!! ;)
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;D ;D
where can i get a cheap diving suit from?.......i am gonna give this stalking malarky a go.......what if she spots me?....after all its not every day you see a guy walking up glasgow city centre wearing a diving suit with a super lite pole at the same time is it...so wots your secret Matt.
just kidding...i cant afford a super lite at the moment :-X
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scrimman, i have tried many times to contact peter, i have a good idea for a trigger that can hold and release the hose automaticly, so you dont need to use your hand holding the hose,
so tell kore juke would be interested in this
I used the auto brush and pole thought it was good. sadly the pole sections got stuck in each other and ultimatly broke. but like another poster I took clamps off my glass fiber pole, clamped the micro bore at the collar and used it like peters pole. you soon get the hamg of spinning. and I get sick of clamps wearing out, tap pole on window bottom and the section comes sliding down.
there is no way you can adjust a clamped pole as easy as a clampless pole...no way. just needs a few problems ironing out. and when you have a big round half an hour saved in 10 hours is half an hour home sooner
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I don't think this concept is acceptable for mainstream wfp, it won't catch on IMO therefore not worth the investment for R&D, manufacture etc.
Look at the auto-brush, interesting idea but useless in practice. There can be a tendancy to solve problems that are created & don't actually exist in real life.
Dam I missed this when it was being aired.
I must admit I had to laugh at Winp®oClean attitude. I wonder why he even uses a water fed pole? Surely the water fed pole was created to solve a problem that didn't really exist in real life?
With attitudes like that it is a wonder he is still not using a chamois and scrim to clean windows.
The clampless pole is something that will take off in the future, and I have safeguarded my original idea as much as I can. I did invest quite a bit of time and money in the project, and have it all worked out it, just needs putting into place.
BTW Winp®oClean the Autobrush is one of the lightest brushes on the market, even with the valve fitted.
Tim, it is not just about the time taken to loosen and tighten the clamps, it is the time saved putting the pole up, and especially down. The time mounts up over the day, and you would be more likely to save over an hour per day on domestic window cleaning.
Peter
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BTW Winp®oClean the Autobrush is one of the lightest brushes on the market, even with the valve fitted.
What weight is it? My old one was well heavy?
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I don't think this concept is acceptable for mainstream wfp, it won't catch on IMO therefore not worth the investment for R&D, manufacture etc.
Look at the auto-brush, interesting idea but useless in practice. There can be a tendancy to solve problems that are created & don't actually exist in real life.
Dam I missed this when it was being aired.
I must admit I had to laugh at Winp®oClean attitude. I wonder why he even uses a water fed pole? Surely the water fed pole was created to solve a problem that didn't really exist in real life?
With attitudes like that it is a wonder he is still not using a chamois and scrim to clean windows.
The clampless pole is something that will take off in the future, and I have safeguarded my original idea as much as I can. I did invest quite a bit of time and money in the project, and have it all worked out it, just needs putting into place.
BTW Winp®oClean the Autobrush is one of the lightest brushes on the market, even with the valve fitted.
Tim, it is not just about the time taken to loosen and tighten the clamps, it is the time saved putting the pole up, and especially down. The time mounts up over the day, and you would be more likely to save over an hour per day on domestic window cleaning.
Peter
So when are you going to release a clampless pole Peter ?