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Title: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 14, 2009, 04:51:32 pm
going to have my system fitted at purefreedom on mon,they want the van from 8 till about 4,seems a long time to fit,anyone had one fitted?
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: DaveG on August 14, 2009, 05:04:57 pm
I think thy must allow all day just in case of problems etc....I think they give you some pole training too dont they?
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: eclipse on August 14, 2009, 05:05:46 pm
yes i had one fitted by them

all i will say is you cant rush perfection..the system in my van is very well fitted bolted down split charge relay etc
i booked into a B&B for the day and say and watched TV all day as it was january and bloody freezing outside
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 14, 2009, 05:12:15 pm
yes  we will be having some training,trad and on the poles,cant wait
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 15, 2009, 07:31:44 am
we get two poles with the system,are they any good or should we upgrade,
my partner will be doing most of the work to start with will she need a lighter pole?
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Londoner on August 15, 2009, 07:36:45 am
No, start with what you have got . You may well form opinions later but if you are starting from scratch you are going to get all sorts of aches and pains what ever you use.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 15, 2009, 07:41:56 am
oh ok,we get two 17ft poles with system,so best swap them for a 30ft if they let us?
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Mike #1 on August 15, 2009, 08:33:36 am
for your partner i would suggest keeping the 18ft and you use a 30ft you will have to replace poles but they're ideal for starting out as they will get some abuse until you master the art
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: ftp on August 15, 2009, 08:52:57 am
Depends on what poles they sell you. If you buy a 30' glassfibre pole it's going to be a handfull and very hard to use as an everyday pole even for you.
Your partner might be happier to start off with a 12' extender pole. Long enough for two storey work, nice and light but won't last very long.
When you start out it's very hard physically on the upper body.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Mike #1 on August 15, 2009, 09:14:42 am
he is right x-tel hybrid would be better i use 1 everyday decent pole i have a gardiners gosseneck fitted as well manage my work no probs , i do have a 31ft x-tel fiberglass which i have only used twice and will be a bit of chore using it , mines collecting dust in garage now as no longer have custy
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: R W C on August 15, 2009, 09:39:08 am
They had mine done by 2
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: paul04 on August 15, 2009, 11:48:01 am
oh ok,we get two 17ft poles with system,so best swap them for a 30ft if they let us?
i bought a diy system from them with a 17ft pole
and my friend bought one with a 30ft pole
his only cost 20 quid more so its worth asking
pj
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 15, 2009, 11:52:34 am
will do,we want to get a pole that will do it all,because of cost,will a woman be able to use a 30ft?
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: heathrow100 on August 15, 2009, 05:21:57 pm
I had my system fitted in April,they do a top job the x-tel fibreglass pole I purchased was  17ft and ok for everyday use,clamps need adjusting from time to time and is showing wear and tear,the 24ft pole is a bit heavy imo ,Im now upgrading to a 24ft SLX  (through reading of posts on this forum) which should last longer and at last I can reach over conservatories with ease.I wish I hadnt bought an xtel pole in the first place.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Glyn H on August 15, 2009, 06:12:49 pm
Our systems take four to five days to fully fit.
Two of these days are preperation of the floor and coating, 2.5 days to install the system underfloor plates,inernal hoses, electrics,internal roof rack etc.1/2 a day to run all the tests.
Personally I cannot see how it can be completed any quicker.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 15, 2009, 06:35:33 pm
i have done the van floor myself a week ago,the system has been built and tested,they say they will fit and test it again in a day,its only a few bolts isnt it.

thanks for the advice on pole will upgrade we think
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Slash on August 15, 2009, 06:39:36 pm
I would,those x-tel poles are total crap,way too whippy and they wear out fast and there heavier than the universal range.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Glyn H on August 15, 2009, 09:49:16 pm
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i have done the van floor myself a week ago,the system has been built and tested,they say they will fit and test it again in a day,its only a few bolts isnt it.
Not the way we install the system

(http://www.omnipole.com/Dublin%20van%20pump%20system.JPG)



(http://www.omnipole.com/Side%20view%20Tank%20and%20heater.jpg)
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Clive McDonald on August 15, 2009, 10:13:57 pm
That's impressive, is it a three man set up? what van interior is it?
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: D B Services on August 15, 2009, 10:16:09 pm
I employ and there is no way that I would have a system from Purefreedom.

I have seen a recently fitted Purefreedom system and although it looks OK there are major safety problems in my opinion. The frame has no real strength. It is thin 90 degree stainless with no diagonal strengthening sections at all. The whole thing would fold and buckle in any reasonable impact.

Cheap Wydale tanks have no strength so a properly designed and engineered frame is essential for safety. I can't comment on the saftey of the fixing to the chassis because I did not look but even if it it as it should be the frame could easilly rip away from the floor due to it's poor design and inadequate materials used.

Dan
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Glyn H on August 15, 2009, 10:47:42 pm
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That's impressive, is it a three man set up? what van interior is it?

Yes, its a three man set up with choice of hot water, installed in  a LWB Ford Transit
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: eclipse on August 15, 2009, 10:47:42 pm

I employ and there is no way that I would have a system from Purefreedom.

I have seen a recently fitted Purefreedom system and although it looks OK there are major safety problems in my opinion. The frame has no real strength. It is thin 90 degree stainless with no diagonal strengthening sections at all. The whole thing would fold and buckle in any reasonable impact.

Cheap Wydale tanks have no strength so a properly designed and engineered frame is essential for safety. I can't comment on the saftey of the fixing to the chassis because I did not look but even if it it as it should be the frame could easilly rip away from the floor due to it's poor design and inadequate materials used.

Dan
sounds like somebody has got sour grapes with all at purefreedom lol

I had my system fitted in january and i havnt had a single problem with it yet as for fitting it was commented on when my van had its mot last month how well it was fitted to my chasis of my vito
personally i cant fault them
Also should you really be making slandorous comments like that about another supplier as it could be seen as liable
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: matt on August 15, 2009, 11:13:56 pm
I employ and there is no way that I would have a system from Purefreedom.

I have seen a recently fitted Purefreedom system and although it looks OK there are major safety problems in my opinion. The frame has no real strength. It is thin 90 degree stainless with no diagonal strengthening sections at all. The whole thing would fold and buckle in any reasonable impact.

Cheap Wydale tanks have no strength so a properly designed and engineered frame is essential for safety. I can't comment on the saftey of the fixing to the chassis because I did not look but even if it it as it should be the frame could easilly rip away from the floor due to it's poor design and inadequate materials used.

Dan

now if you had said that about another installer, you would be getting a letter  :P
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: heathrow100 on August 15, 2009, 11:22:52 pm
Totally agree eclipse,I done a lot of research into buying my system and glad I choose pure freedom,great value,good quaility and no issues at all,would recommend to anyone.After sales service is very good too,
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Gleaming windows on August 15, 2009, 11:32:13 pm
I employ and there is no way that I would have a system from Purefreedom.

I have seen a recently fitted Purefreedom system and although it looks OK there are major safety problems in my opinion. The frame has no real strength. It is thin 90 degree stainless with no diagonal strengthening sections at all. The whole thing would fold and buckle in any reasonable impact.

Cheap Wydale tanks have no strength so a properly designed and engineered frame is essential for safety. I can't comment on the saftey of the fixing to the chassis because I did not look but even if it it as it should be the frame could easilly rip away from the floor due to it's poor design and inadequate materials used.

Dan

Adepta are engineers.  My feelings are that they wouldnt manufacture the products they do, most specifically fitted systems, if they wernt prepared to 'walk the walk' as well as 'talk the talk'.

'Over-engineered' is how Ive heard PureFreedom systems described. Im happy enough to believe that. If someone feels the systems arent up to the job Id firstly ask the person what experience and qualifications they have in the field of engineering to be able to substantiate what theyve said.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 16, 2009, 07:57:40 am
thats a relief from the last 2 posts,as im about to part with 2500 on monday
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Gleaming windows on August 16, 2009, 10:20:40 am
When you get there the system will already have been made up, they just need to fit the box of goodies into your vehicle.

Real nice set of guys there, they have a laugh with the custy, make you a cuppa in the morning, Andrew will drive you back to town and ring you when the thing is done then come and pick you up.

Theres a good pub just inside the town centre complex where they do all-day brekkie, I went in there at 9am and sat there with a paper and whiled away 2 or so hours, with 2 breakfasts, coffee and The Sun.

Then move on to the fishing museum, you can lose another 2 hours there. Its interesting and very well presented there. Then unfortunately, thats it, Grimsby isnt exactly the hub of cosmopolitan life on the east coast. You could go for a swim in the sea I suppose  8)
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: eclipse on August 16, 2009, 11:07:18 am
i stayes here for the day it cost me £20 for the day for a room with tea and coffee and a tv

www.vinesbandb.co.uk
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Slash on August 16, 2009, 11:29:06 am
I was going to get an Omnipole system fitted as I heard they were very good,however I had seen a window cleaner and got talking to him in which he had a system fitted by Omnipole,very impressive I thought to myself but looking at the system I though they are very professional looking but alot of space is wasted,everything with Pure Freedom is very compact,even their trolly systems and I never regreted driving up from Surrey to get a system fitted last year,everything is top notch,would do it again if I had to ;)
I am sure Omnipole systems are just as good or even better but space is crutial to me,I drive a Transit T280 and have a 500 litre system fitted by Pure Freedom right against the bulk head,I can also fit four bicycles in easy or my dirtbike when need to.
I just think Pure Freedom make eveything so campact and is alot easier in my opinion ;D
Everyone has different ideas for their system but Pure Freedom worked for me.
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: lyndy on August 16, 2009, 12:54:58 pm
pogles wood what time was it when they had finished just want a rough idea,,thanks for the info on pub,we will be having some training
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: eclipse on August 16, 2009, 01:36:13 pm
it took them a good 8 hours to fit mine
split charge relay etc
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: Gleaming windows on August 16, 2009, 03:49:35 pm
pogles wood what time was it when they had finished just want a rough idea,,thanks for the info on pub,we will be having some training

I got to PureFreedoms at about 8.10 a.m and had a cuppa and a chat with th eguys, we left those premises about half an hour later and took the van round to the workshop. Left there about 9.00 and got dropped off by Andrew in town. I reckon I got the call at about 3.00. He was already waiting for me in at the pick up point we'd agreed when he called. It starts to get real boring by then. Apart from the museum theres nothing to do, its a tedious and long-winded day. Theres no getting away from it. Thats why guys get the B+B.

I took a long walk up a real long street, towards a tower on the skyline, out towards the sea-front, but it started to get to be looking like a real dodgy area and that was before the recession, I bet it looks like Steptoes yard now.

Anyway, be prepared to be bored  ;D
Title: Re: how long does it take to install
Post by: ftp on August 18, 2009, 06:37:33 pm
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i have done the van floor myself a week ago,the system has been built and tested,they say they will fit and test it again in a day,its only a few bolts isnt it.
Not the way we install the system

(http://www.omnipole.com/Dublin%20van%20pump%20system.JPG)



(http://www.omnipole.com/Side%20view%20Tank%20and%20heater.jpg)

Where do three reels go and what does the third person clean when doing residential work - the garage door?