Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Paul Golding on April 01, 2009, 07:45:11 am
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just out of interest, has anyone ever bought or sold work here ??
http://www.windowcleaningroundforsale.co.uk/index.php
seems really overpriced ??
Good if you're the seller I guess
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Round there for 2,500 a month and a van...£18,000!!
Im gonna sell mine and have the rest the year off.
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that's what I thought !! . . sell up have some time off, then go and build up another round for nothing !!
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Honestly though...what muppet would pay that?
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LOL that guy is on here, isnt he, he was posting the other day about swapping rounds....
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=72486.0
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there's one on there up for £100k !!
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What other business could you invest £18k and immediatley be earning £2.5k a month?
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What other business could you invest £18k and immediatley be earning £2.5k a month?
one where you'd pay the correct amount of 3x maximum perhaps ?? ;)
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If I knew and trusted who I was buying from then I would have no qualms in spending £18k on a business returning £2.5k a month.Bit different shelling that out to a stranger though.There was a round on there for £10k which was claimed returned £5k a month,not that long ago.I spoke to the chap and there was just something that told me not to deal,coupled with the fact I'd just started out and thought I'd be biting off more than I could chew.Having said all that,if the right round came up,in the right area I'd be sorely tempted to pay over the odds,if necessary,to claim it.
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it many seem overpriced for some people but it not easy to build a good round up over here else you want everyone rubbish. It does include 06 transit 280 with a 2 men wfp setup and it only takes 14 working days to clean. You could easily spend 20grand on a franchise for a name and still have to find the work your self.Its cheaper than the 40k one on the same website.
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18k for that business is a bargain. its not all good will, he's chucking the van and wfp system in. and some commercial. i'd buy it if i was over that way. no problem
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What other business could you invest £18k and immediatley be earning £2.5k a month?
one where you'd pay the correct amount of 3x maximum perhaps ?? ;)
Ah yes but who is to say 3x is the correct amount. Just cos you say so doesn't make it true.
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What other business could you invest £18k and immediatley be earning £2.5k a month?
one where you'd pay the correct amount of 3x maximum perhaps ?? ;)
people like you make me laugh ::)
THE CORRECT AMOUNT??? UP makes these rules up???
you can not say a round is worth 3x its monthly value has every round is different some are alot more proffitable than others. If some one offered me 3x for my round i would simply laugh in there face and continue to make a large profit while i watch them struggle trying to build a round.
MY round is 4 years of hard work sweat and blood and i now have A BUSINESS and its worth as much has any chippy, garage, warehouse or company that makes the same kind of profits.
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18k for 2.5k a month is cheap if its good established work.
I think he is selling himself short by a good amount!!
Finally some sense ;)
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That is why window cleaning is thought of as a low paid unskilled job because even the window cleaners have the mentality of undervaluing a good sound business.
You just try and find a business that has the same amount of monthly turnover but with ,as much as you can possibly guarantee, a regular and consistant customer base.....fairly impossible i would say.
Window cleaning established rounds are massively undervalued,but that can only be down to the wc's who sell them.The industry needs a total shake up from the ground upwards to enable the professional wc's to earn what they are worth,and sell a business for its true value not what an idiot would offer you down the pub.
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A guy local to me has just sold his well established domestic round for 1 x ANNUAL turnover!
And it didnt include any equipment or van......
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A guy local to me has just sold his well established domestic round for 1 x ANNUAL turnover!
And it didnt include any equipment or van......
Do I know him! and aim still in need of more work!
Andy
PS see you saturday ;)
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What other business could you invest £18k and immediatley be earning £2.5k a month?
one where you'd pay the correct amount of 3x maximum perhaps ?? ;)
people like you make me laugh ::)
THE CORRECT AMOUNT??? UP makes these rules up???
you can not say a round is worth 3x its monthly value has every round is different some are alot more proffitable than others. If some one offered me 3x for my round i would simply laugh in there face and continue to make a large profit while i watch them struggle trying to build a round.
MY round is 4 years of hard work sweat and blood and i now have A BUSINESS and its worth as much has any chippy, garage, warehouse or company that makes the same kind of profits.
?? "rules ??" . . not rules, it's generally what people pay for a round (If they're sensible that is)
why pay £18k for a round if you can get the equivilent for £7k ?? that's a lot of difference.
plus, what assurance have you that the customers will keep you on ?? generally, people don't like change. Most will keep you, but nothing's set in stone. I know people that have lost a lot of bought work !
if you've never done window cleaning before and suddenly jump into a round, how well are you gonna be cleaning the windows ?? You're bound to make mistakes. It's never garaunteed work.
maybe I've been fortunate, I don't know, but I bought £1500 a month of work that averages £40p.h that I paid £1000 for. I had a further £1000 that I paid a month's worth for. I know I got a bargain but I'd never pay more than 3x for work. I know 6 window cleaners who have bought some work lately, ranging from 2 to 3 times the monthly amount. On this site, people generally offer work for between 2 to 3 times.
I live in the real world, that's why I suggest 3x to be a fair amount.
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hahahahah real world dream world mate.
you value any round @3x no matter what PROFIT it makes.
What ever business you buy there are no guarentee cutom it is then your job to run the business properly.
NOT ANY ONE can build and run a successful business other wise everyone would.
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how can it be a dream when that's what people are actually paying ??
anyway, if a house takes an hour to do and is priced at £30ph then at 3x you'd pay £90 for it.
if it's priced at £50ph then at the same rate you'd be paying £150 for it. So better paid job = extra £60 to buy.
So yes, you pay more for better priced work without multiplying it more.
I'm not saying that all work is priced at 3x, I'm saying that an awful lot of us have bought good work for either that or less. If it's out there at that price, which it is, why pay more ?? Doesn't make sense.
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just some simple maths to help you out on this one.
A £30 job one wound it takes 1 hour the other it takes 2
no by your maths it is worth £90 either way, well to me that is pure stupidity!!
Now go and but a good pfofit making business......how much will it cost?
any business there all the same without guarentees....ill bet you there wont be many sold for 3 times its monthly value.
yes rounds are sold at 3x and 4x and upwards and yes if i got a good round for 3x id snap is hands and why.................cause im getting a BARGAIN!!
So if you want to undervalue your time and your efforts with your business then you do that but i will never ........so i wouldnt sell my business for any were near 3x
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anyway, if a house takes an hour to do and is priced at £30ph then at 3x you'd pay £90 for it.
if it's priced at £50ph then at the same rate you'd be paying £150 for it. So better paid job = extra £60 to buy.
That's not true. You are paying for the total value of the round, not the ££ per hour. A £30.00 house that takes 1 hour is £90.0. A £30.00 house that takes 5 minutes is still £90.00.
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it sounds as if you've been fortunate with the work you bought.
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just some simple maths to help you out on this one.
A £30 job one wound it takes 1 hour the other it takes 2
no by your maths it is worth £90 either way, well to me that is pure stupidity!!
Now go and but a good pfofit making business......how much will it cost?
any business there all the same without guarentees....ill bet you there wont be many sold for 3 times its monthly value.
yes rounds are sold at 3x and 4x and upwards and yes if i got a good round for 3x id snap is hands and why.................cause im getting a BARGAIN!!
So if you want to undervalue your time and your efforts with your business then you do that but i will never ........so i wouldnt sell my business for any were near 3x
lol . . i just re-read my post and have realised it's utter crap !! ha ha
that's why it's best to go for a pint in the evenings instead of being on here . . which is exactly what i'm about to do !! lol
I agree that if work is well priced it should go for more. I guess I've just seen time after time both work for sale at 3x and under and work bought by people I know for 3x and under.
The work we've all bought is very good work. I sold some work on that was extremely well paid for 2-3x. Maybe I could have got more, but my reasoning was if I have just bought good work for 2-3x then why not help someone else out and sell the same to them.
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I guess the question is have you ever bought work and if so what was the rate at which you bought?
I have bought 4 lots of work in my time. The rates have varied between, 1 times to 3 times, for work packages worth £40 a month, £750 a month, £650 a month and £1450 a month. The multiple was decided by a few factors.
The best work that I really wanted I paid 3 times for, other stuff the guy was desperate no-one else was buying so I got it for 2 times, the £1450 a month was a bit underpriced and not well organised so I paid 2 times for it.
I agree I wouldn't sell my business for a low price, but if no-one wants to buy it and I really needed to sell then I would have no choice would I.
In the end something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and most windies I know would expect to pay up to 3 times for work, cos you're selling for a reason and everyone loves a bargain and will try and get one.