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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dd on March 21, 2009, 06:02:41 pm
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Prefer answers from experience of using wfp rather than theories.
I use wfp on wooden windows and this issue concerns me.
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Ok...here in Holland (south) upvc windows are not that popular and most single and double glazed units are wooden framed...I have upon observation noticed nothing to suggest quick rotting but with that said...I have only been wfp for around 2,5years...so maybe this is not long enough to really make a call.
I suppose it is easier to damage the wood work with the brush/brush edge and as such I 'guess' water could then penetrate to the underlying wood.
Cheers
Dave.
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i always wear toxic protective gloves when using my pole, else it will dissolve your fingers, it melts car paint, and burnes holes in cloths, i would never use it on wooden or metal frames , handle with caution!
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i always wear toxic protective gloves when using my pole, else it will dissolve your fingers, it melts car paint, and burnes holes in cloths, i would never use it on wooden or metal frames , handle with caution!
I trust you are being ironic...
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Given that it pees it down most weeks in this country, I think a once monthly soaking won't make any real difference.
If there is flaky paint on badly maintained windows it will dislodge it.
I know it's pure water, but once it's been on the windows/frames it's no purer than rain apart from the rinse of course.
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I don't want to sound too negative with my reply, but here goes ;D How can you possibly know the answer unless you wfp a window for 5 years say and cleaned the same one next to it trad for 5 years.
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This is so annoying- another newbie starting another negative rumour that will be passed around and come nack to us as a fact from customers.
No it doesn't rot wood.A right little ray of sunshine you are. What was your last job, PR at Ratners?
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bovis the homebuilders did a laboritory test on this, and thats why they only fit upvc windows to their new builds.
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I dont think it makes much difference. As you brush against the wood, you will probably brush off little bits of varnish which leaves bare wood but then again you would do the same even if you were trad.
bob
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I don't want to sound too negative with my reply, but here goes ;D How can you possibly know the answer unless you wfp a window for 5 years say and cleaned the same one next to it trad for 5 years.
Have been cleaning wooden windows wfp for 6 years. One of my custies for 5, the windows look the same as the ones at next door neighbours...
Never had any problems, I think the people who most knock WFP are those too skint or too scared to do it. No offence but I think that's true
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Don't know about WFP rotting the wood, but it definately affects wood stain, varnish and paint. All deteriorate faster when WFP is used on them. Added to that if you get operators who use loads and loads of water on them with 100 psi pumps the glass units are liable to mist up.
We only use Trad on wooden windows.
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Added to that if you get operators who use loads and loads of water on them with 100 psi pumps the glass units are liable to mist up.
Why are they? The units are (supposed to be) sealed, and are usually guaranteed for 5 years.
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pure water is thiner than normal water it gets through smaller gaps and steams up the window
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;D ;D ;D
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out your arse comes to mind....
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at 25dc viscosity [Pa·s] [cP]
tap water 8.94 × 10−4 0.894
pure water 8.74 × 10−4 0.862
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thats miniscule difference, not enough to even call it thinner even though it is by them figures
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it is a lot thinner due to all the impurities taken out
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I don't want to sound too negative with my reply, but here goes ;D How can you possibly know the answer unless you wfp a window for 5 years say and cleaned the same one next to it trad for 5 years.
Have been cleaning wooden windows wfp for 6 years. One of my custies for 5, the windows look the same as the ones at next door neighbours...
Never had any problems, I think the people who most knock WFP are those too skint or too scared to do it. No offence but I think that's true
Sparklebright, I think you misunderstood my point. You'd need to make a direct comparison for a long time, which no-one with a life would do, so the whole question is pointless. BTW I wfp any windows if it suits me and does the job.
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be careful on the aluminum ones ive heard they corrode quicker using pure
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This is so annoying- another newbie starting another negative rumour that will be passed around and come nack to us as a fact from customers.
No it doesn't rot wood.A right little ray of sunshine you are. What was your last job, PR at Ratners?
Hi Clive.
Been window cleaning 21 years, the last 3 years wfp. I always thought you tried to make informed comments.
Regards, dd
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at 25dc viscosity [Pa·s] [cP]
tap water 8.94 × 10−4 0.894
pure water 8.74 × 10−4 0.862
But that's bullpoop anyway. It's not tap water falling from the sky now is it.
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at 25dc viscosity [Pa·s] [cP]
tap water 8.94 × 10−4 0.894
pure water 8.74 × 10−4 0.862
But that's bullpoop anyway. It's not tap water falling from the sky now is it.
Well said
Rain water is quite close to being as pure as WFP, normally about 20 ppm, whereas my tap water is about 360ppm..
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Steamed up windows........Bull
The units are sealed. Comprendey.
I have checked all this out with a glazier.
He almost laughed me out of the work shop.
They blow eventually from age or a fault not a bit of water however thin.
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it is a lot thinner due to all the impurities taken out
I love these kinds of threads, all of a sudden window-cleaners are scientists/physiscists and molecular geniuses all rolled into one.
My favourite is why windows stay cleaner for longer with WFP, it might do, who knows, but has anyone any HARD evidence as to why, apart from what they dream up when they're bored alone at work and the imagination is in over-drive.
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yes ok ive been rumbled,
the best one was, it liable to mist up sealed units, we only use trad on wooden windows, and someone asked a glazer brill!!
i cant believe 7 people voted for pure water rotting wooden frames.....
;D ;D ;D
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And I got into this business 'cause I thought window cleaning was a simple, uncomplicated thing to do :-\
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If your not carefull your brush can cause damage to paint work on wooden frames which can lead to water getting to the wood itself.
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If your not carefull your brush can cause damage to paint work on wooden frames which can lead to water getting to the wood itself.
Wouldn't that be true of using a squeegee though? Scratching the bottom of the frame etc?
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Don't know, but your brush rips them to shreds anyway, so it doesn't matter. ;D