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Title: Brush head opinions
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 26, 2008, 07:47:59 pm
Looking at getting The Super-Lite Brush Dual-Trim Flocked Bristles from Gardiners, but ive only used ionics brush heads with the stiff brushes (dual trim).. what are your experiences with dual trim flocked bristle heads? Or just flocked heads in general?

Just a one night thread, as im on the verge of ordering...
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: s.w.c on November 26, 2008, 07:56:00 pm
not sure about the flocked brush but Ive used Alex mono version both single trim and dual trim i use nothing else than his brushes , you name it Ive tried them all that our out there from vikan to Bentley still got a old ionics crinkled that gets used on con roofs or first cleans only cleantech yellow flocked brush even got a hogs hair brush in the garage, i will say Alex seems to no a thing or too about the brushes needed, I'm interested to see how his flocked goes, i just ordered some resin from him and was tempted to add the flocked brush but i thought i would wait till after Xmas , since i still got a fare few brushes still in the garage.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: dmlservices on November 26, 2008, 08:18:29 pm
i have used the supalite double trim since the release,

excellent brush, rinses brush on like a dream, not sure what the new flocked version will be like for brush on rinsing,

flocked brushes as a rule hold dirt,but some say they have greater cleaning properties, esp for really dirty cleans,

might get one myself , to try on 1st cleans, (where i rinse brush off any way*

daz
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: prestigeclean on November 26, 2008, 08:27:17 pm
i,ve just started using the supalte mono dual trim from gardiners with 4 pencil jets and its the best i,ve tried , i will be ordering the flocked version soon for first cleans , top brushes regards alan
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: NWH on November 26, 2008, 08:40:12 pm
The black flocked brush from Gardiners is the best flocked brush you will ever use,it has all the qualitys of the vikan brick but with no weight.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: dmlservices on November 26, 2008, 08:47:34 pm
nwh , have you tried it ?

daz
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 26, 2008, 08:47:54 pm
i want a black brush head.. its the only one thats light and black.. the other superlights are white, and ive not got a reply from Gardiners if they will be coming in a black variation.

decisions.... Got to get this order into Gardiners tonight/ thurs morning as i got a urgent need for a supply of Ecover truck wash for next week.

Be good to get Alex's opinion on this.. not seem him about that often lately..
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: darragh windows on November 26, 2008, 08:58:35 pm
brodex have a new brush out looks good more reasonably priced too
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Alex Gardiner on November 26, 2008, 09:04:30 pm
i want a black brush head.. its the only one thats light and black.. the other superlights are white, and ive not got a reply from Gardiners if they will be coming in a black variation.

decisions.... Got to get this order into Gardiners tonight/ thurs morning as i got a urgent need for a supply of Ecover truck wash for next week.

Be good to get Alex's opinion on this.. not seem him about that often lately..


Hi Chris,

I emailed you a response to your query this morning, did you not get it?

Here it is:

Hi Chris,
 
I do agree with you that the 'look' of the black bristles is better. The only reason though that the flocked version is in black is because that was the only colour we could source the flocked bristles in.
 
If we put aside how the bristles look, then white bristle are far better for the professional window cleaner. White bristles allow you to quickly assess how much dirt is trapped in the bristles and adjust your technique/rinsing to allow for this. If the bristles are holding dirt then really you need to know at a glance and deal with it.
 
Flocked bristles being black do not matter so much as most users rinse with the bristles off the glass.
 
We are considering producing the mono-filament in black fairly soon for those that like the black bristle, but are not so worried about assessing dirt levels.

brodex have a new brush out looks good more reasonably priced too

Got one on my desk  :)
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: darragh windows on November 26, 2008, 09:05:00 pm
anyone tried it yet £18 with the jets
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: dmlservices on November 26, 2008, 09:10:03 pm
i want a black brush head.. its the only one thats light and black.. the other superlights are white, and ive not got a reply from Gardiners if they will be coming in a black variation.

decisions.... Got to get this order into Gardiners tonight/ thurs morning as i got a urgent need for a supply of Ecover truck wash for next week.

Be good to get Alex's opinion on this.. not seem him about that often lately..


i actually prefer the white brissels, you can tell how dirty a window is by looking at the brissels.

mine is still white now , gets very dirty at times , but with extra flow and rinsing ,soon returns back to white,

custys even comment on how clean it looks, ( they must think to themselves," if the brush is that clean , my windows must be ) ;)

daz
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: NWH on November 26, 2008, 09:19:54 pm
With hot water the brush hardly ever gets dirty,the superlite mono brush is 10 times better with hot water also.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 26, 2008, 09:46:03 pm
Im just one for looks - i got a nice new zensorflex crying out for a black brush head  ;D

I normally rinse off the glass anyway.

@Alex - somehow it got dumped in the spam.. but yes i did get it, sorry was too lazy when i went to check the inbox..

Funny how important emails get dumped and Viagra ones dont  ::)

Im going hot for the new year, so how does hot go with flocked brushes?
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: s.w.c on November 26, 2008, 09:52:01 pm
so alex whats your thoughts on the brodex brush then.????????????????
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: NWH on November 26, 2008, 09:52:22 pm
Once you go hot you`ll realise what all major suppliers are on about i used to think it was all sales pitch but i was totally wrong big time,ionic say if you want the best go for the thermopure and there spot on.I have converted my own and the results are the same as the above only £9500 cheaper,the gardiners flocked as i said does all that the vikan does but with what feels like a 1/4 of the weight.If your using hot water you only have to flash over the glass quickly for top results.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 26, 2008, 09:54:39 pm
would you say flocked are for maintenance cleans or first cleans? Or can be used for everything?
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Wayne Thomas on November 26, 2008, 09:57:59 pm
Once you go hot you`ll realise what all major suppliers are on about i used to think it was all sales pitch but i was totally wrong big time,ionic say if you want the best go for the thermopure and there spot on.I have converted my own and the results are the same as the above only £9500 cheaper,the gardiners flocked as i said does all that the vikan does but with what feels like a 1/4 of the weight.If your using hot water you only have to flash over the glass quickly for top results.

Never hear from Tennant clean now. Is he too busy working all the hours trying to pay for his new van and thermal Ionics system ;D I miss his replies, interesting chap.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: NWH on November 26, 2008, 09:59:12 pm
I use the flocked on PVC as it`s better for doing the frames ie it`s a wetter bristled brush the mono is no good for this as it will leave brush lines on the sills etc,on leads it`s also better as it glides over the ridges on the lead easier with no noise or bumping.To sum up i would use the mono on maintanance cleans and the flocked on the dirtier stuff although you`ll probobly find you`ll like it on most.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: s.w.c on November 26, 2008, 09:59:27 pm
i believe its horses for courses mono or flocked
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Alex Gardiner on November 26, 2008, 09:59:36 pm
would you say flocked are for maintenance cleans or first cleans? Or can be used for everything?

I personally feel that they could be used for either. One of our sub-contractors is using it for everything now.  He never uses 'rinsing on the glass' technique anyway, flocked brushes being better used with rinsing off the glass (my personal opinion again!).

so alex whats your thoughts on the brodex brush then.????????????????

Weight= 410g
If you want an in depth opinion, please feel free to email me on my profile address.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: s.w.c on November 26, 2008, 10:04:49 pm
alex email sent.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 26, 2008, 10:12:49 pm
I use the flocked on PVC as it`s better for doing the frames ie it`s a wetter bristled brush the mono is no good for this as it will leave brush lines on the sills etc,on leads it`s also better as it glides over the ridges on the lead easier with no noise or bumping.To sum up i would use the mono on maintanance cleans and the flocked on the dirtier stuff although you`ll probobly find you`ll like it on most.

I do have a lot of leaded and starting to get a lot of georgians and older wooden sash, so perhaps the flocked would be better by being softer.. less flaking paint? less jumps and bumps on the lead?

Its only for residential not hi commercial so rinse off the window if what i do anyway.

I think i'll take the plunge with the flocked..
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: s.w.c on November 26, 2008, 10:41:28 pm
mr galloway when you have tried it let us know your thoughts.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: mark dew on November 26, 2008, 10:51:18 pm
i got a superlite dual trim a month back and feeling the bristles, i didn't think it's scrubbing power would be as good as a vikan rectangular but it is a dream to use. Though very soft, the brush is very good at getting in the corners.
I've only used vikans, bentley and an old ionics brush before, but this is the best brush i have used so far.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: steven ainger on November 27, 2008, 12:57:01 pm
ive been using the d/t s/l mono brush for a while now, and it is the best brush i have tried, and ive tried a hell of a lot, but have been using the d/t s/l flocked this week, with hot water and i love it. its the mutts.......imo.



all complimentory goods from gardiner pole systems greatfully recieved, thanks ;D
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Chris Galloway on December 16, 2008, 05:30:13 pm
Used the Gardiners SuperLight Flocked brush finally today on my new zensor pole.

Damn the brush is good! It really pulls the dirt off, as this was a first clean. Not only that you can tell when its clean as it skids along the windows rather than feeling sticky when they are dirty. You really do notice the difference from a dirty window to a clean window.

Only problem is that it holds spider webs and other type of debris in the bristles - so more need to clean it out after each clean.





Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Alex Gardiner on December 16, 2008, 05:39:29 pm
Used the Gardiners SuperLight Flocked brush finally today on my new zensor pole.

Damn the brush is good! It really pulls the dirt off, as this was a first clean. Not only that you can tell when its clean as it skids along the windows rather than feeling sticky when they are dirty. You really do notice the difference from a dirty window to a clean window.

Only problem is that it holds spider webs and other type of debris in the bristles - so more need to clean it out after each clean.

This is where the mono-filament comes into its own as it does not hold on to the dirt as much.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: dmlservices on December 16, 2008, 07:11:21 pm
i already use the supalite dt mk 1 , cannot fault it , i rinse brush on , with a high flow rate, does a superb job ,

am considering getting the flocked version for first cleans , and as i use the twice round method, i would use flocked first, and give frames ( esp top frame a good scrub,and rinse , then go back and  quickly redo glass only, using mono. version.

daz

Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Oakley Windows on December 16, 2008, 07:15:21 pm
I had need to use the Mk1 single trim S/L brush yesterday, was surprised how soft it was, I didnt remember it as being that way; was glad to get back to the dual trim, poetry in motion  ;D
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: [GQC] Tim on December 16, 2008, 11:40:45 pm
This is my experience. I use my DT Superlight (Mk2) on every single window that I come across, including the filthiest first cleans you can imagine.

Not a single problem. And the best thing is? This brush keeps itself so clean, that even after doing a dirty first clean, it's clean after doing one or two maintenance clean windows.
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: STEVE-UK on December 17, 2008, 09:03:01 am
ive been using the superlite flocked d/t brush for a few days now and i use it for everything,rinsing on the glass is no problem apart from sash.

i still think the ionics old style brush has better scrubbing power but only slighlty,the superlite cuts into the corners better

i have a nearly new tucker brush now that sits in the van unused  :-\
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: dd on December 17, 2008, 06:37:23 pm
ive been using the superlite flocked d/t brush for a few days now and i use it for everything,rinsing on the glass is no problem apart from sash.

i still think the ionics old style brush has better scrubbing power but only slighlty,the superlite cuts into the corners better

i have a nearly new tucker brush now that sits in the van unused  :-\

Do you think the superlite does a better job than the tucker?
Title: Re: Brush head opinions
Post by: Oakley Windows on December 17, 2008, 06:54:58 pm
ive been using the superlite flocked d/t brush for a few days now and i use it for everything,rinsing on the glass is no problem apart from sash.

i still think the ionics old style brush has better scrubbing power but only slighlty,the superlite cuts into the corners better

i have a nearly new tucker brush now that sits in the van unused  :-\


Why dont you think you can rinse on with the S/L on sash windows? Interested to know, not trying to critiscise.