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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: wcs. on November 15, 2008, 11:52:40 pm
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You have only got to look at the cost of a Pro-7 Thermopure from ionic £15k plus the van
Ewan, what sort of jobs do you think you would use this on?
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why does spending 40 K mean you will be a big earner ? ? ? ?
could you not spend that money and earn good money
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and i know this will seem strange, you spend that money and dont get the work in, thus never earn good money
ive never got that either ? ?? ?
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My Grans bungalow
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My Grans bungalow
Exactly; sarcasm works here.
For regular cleans; such as domestic; a cold water system is fine. But if you have lots of large commercial stuff with infrequent cleaning schedules, then a hot-water system makes sense to get all that extra-grime off; quickly.
You don't have to use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut and the majority of customers, and let's face it for the average window cleaner, that's domestic work; don't require a £40K system to have their windows cleaned.
And I'm sure there's cheaper ways of getting a hot-water system than forking out all that for an Ionics system.
In fact I think Discount converted his cold-water system with some kit that cost him £300.
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Ewan,
So what's your point?
Does this analogy work?
I could get a taxi from our local train station to my house.
Now that taxi could be a VW Passat or a Rolls Royce; but all I want is to get home safely. Both cars could do the job, but I wouldn't want to pay ten-times the taxi fare because I used the Rolls taxi!
What inaccuracies are you talking about?
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Crikey Ewan it's pretty obvious i would have thought. The people buying these units aren't the ones on this forum slagging each other off over earnings. It's the big commercial boys who can earn that kind of money on huge contracts. Mr domestic is going to struggle to pay for that kind of kit even with a full round. This doesn't nessesarilly mean that the operator is on the big money, he probably earns less than a lot of us it's the company as a whole who needs those high paying contracts.
Your last sentance seems to be put there to ridicule window cleaners. Are you getting all this crap from a book? Never a question like" how can i fix my varistream" just a constant barrage of marketing and earnings questions usually answered by yourself and rammed down our throats like we are a load of idiots!
I suggest you go out and buy one then in six months tell us how your getting on.
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Crikey Ewan it's pretty obvious i would have thought. The people buying these units aren't the ones on this forum slagging each other off over earnings. It's the big commercial boys who can earn that kind of money on huge contracts. Mr domestic is going to struggle to pay for that kind of kit even with a full round. This doesn't nessesarilly mean that the operator is on the big money, he probably earns less than a lot of us it's the company as a whole who needs those high paying contracts.
Your last sentance seems to be put there to ridicule window cleaners. Are you getting all this crap from a book? Never a question like" how can i fix my varistream" just a constant barrage of marketing and earnings questions usually answered by yourself and rammed down our throats like we are a load of idiots!
yes it is true that your average domestic wc doesnt need a £40k system, but its also true that these big boys had to start somwhere, perhaps it was their positive thinking that got them there .... me personally have a diy system that suits my round , i dont need hot water, however i do have isopropyl alcohol on board for when i need it...
i still have high goals ansd aspirations, but i wont ever spend a huge amount, and i also know that money can be made off the right type of domestic.
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=64842.60#msg562457
You obviously want to join the big boys and are looking at avoiding tax for the next three years god knows how you intend doing it. But spending £40k on a van and buying an industrial unit won't make you a high earner. You need the work, you need to build slowly and then get the contracts. Do you think all the big jobs are waiting for you? Of course they are not, your going to have to fight with the established companies for their contracts - how do you intend doing that next year?
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I'm convinced that a lot of these expensive systems go to new starts armed with their redundancy packages who are trying to get ahead of the game.
There are people out there all too eager to take their money off them.
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Your partially right there Vince. When i thought i was going to be made redundant i looked at a £30,000 unit and for five minutes was taken in by their sales talk. They offered to take me to a town in Wales to demonstrate how fast you could work and how much money you could earn. They probably had whole streets stitched up. In reality a newbie can't hope to get that kind of work - it doesn't happen not in my neck of the woods. As a lot of us on here know full well that commercial work is even harder to pick up.
A similar attitude to sales is demonstrated by Omnipole on ebay trying to sell their Guttervac systems - loads of massive earnings figures which for one or two might be achievable but to anyone with half a brain they know it's unlikely to happen especially overnight.
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I've been looking at Ionics for a while now. i'm 70% sure i'm going to buy 2 systems and vans next year. I have built my own up until now. i spent my money more on building my business as opposed to buying equipment i didn't need at first.
I do have a lot of periodic cleans so hot is what i want. i have looked a little into building my own. and i may still go down that route. The only thing i will say is what attracts me to ionics is that anyone who has there system i look at them seriously. (from a business image point of view) To me it is the best brand on the market and it does send out a clear signal. I'm not saying it brings in more work, and the people that may only recognise it is other WC companys. it hasn't held me back in anyway so far by not having one, and company's i approach couldn't careless about what system i have but to me its all about the image of my company. I want to be the best. I want to aspire to the top. and to me having the cream of everything is what's going to contribute in me getting there.
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I do, why would anyone want to post their sales as you call it or more importantly their earnings on an open forum?
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you have answered your own question really. an average window cleaner would only need an average system. cold is sufficient for regular cleans. Pure Freedom set ups for instance are a very good and pro looking system for an average price.
Everything is on a sliding scale in relation to where your company is and performing financially. if you want to build up one good round and spend a few grand on a system then there is a very good living to be made.
If you want to build up a mini fleet then the stakes are higher but so are the rewards.
Horses for courses is what they say.
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I do, why would anyone want to post their sales as you call it or more importantly their earnings on an open forum?
you wouldn't. and i wouldn't.
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I would think generally you would look at the number of staff/vans a company run and if they were vat registered to give you some idea of the income they have rather than how shiney their kit was. I could have bought that £30,000 unit and driven off with no income whatsoever.
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I would think generally you would look at the number of staff/vans a company run and if they were vat registered to give you some idea of the income they have rather than how shiney their kit was. I could have bought that £30,000 unit and driven off with no income whatsoever.
then you would be a fool! ;) but then you could have that same same system. with heavy advertising in your area. pictures with a glimpse of what work you have. a decent website and already i'm building a picture of what company you have ;)
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Ewan
“You have to speculate (spend) to accumulate”
Most people will spend a bit and accumulate a bit, then spend a bit ‘more’ and accumulate a bit ‘more’ – each time improving their business until such time as they are content with what they have (this might be a comfortable income/lifestyle or it may be a window cleaning empire).
Some people will be able to accelerate this process and a few will opt for the ‘fast track’ option, spending massively at the outset in the hope of reaping big rewards in a very short time.
We are not saying the latter can’t be done by a ‘newbie’ but the ones most likely to ‘pull it off’ are those who have already been responsible for success in another business.
Taking the latter option is a big risk – you may go bankrupt before you achieve the sales required to service your debt.
Most people start off slowly – but its up to you!
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I do, why would anyone want to post their sales as you call it or more importantly their earnings on an open forum?
you wouldn't. and i wouldn't.
and nor would i
ewan
do you ask everyone you meet how much they earn ???
if you get introduced to someone in the pub do you spend the evening saying "how much you pulling down a year then?"
i may be old fashioned but i just think its plain rude
and i really agree with ftpCrikey Ewan it's pretty obvious i would have thought. The people buying these units aren't the ones on this forum slagging each other off over earnings. It's the big commercial boys who can earn that kind of money on huge contracts. Mr domestic is going to struggle to pay for that kind of kit even with a full round. This doesn't nessesarilly mean that the operator is on the big money, he probably earns less than a lot of us it's the company as a whole who needs those high paying contracts.
Your last sentance seems to be put there to ridicule window cleaners. Are you getting all this crap from a book? Never a question like" how can i fix my varistream" just a constant barrage of marketing and earnings questions usually answered by yourself and rammed down our throats like we are a load of idiots!
I suggest you go out and buy one then in six months tell us how your getting on.
one thing i will say tho is i dont undestand how you cant be making a profit,unless,of course, you have laid out loads of money on a big set up.
but you never talk systems just marketing doublespeak
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Ewan
“You have to speculate (spend) to accumulate”
Most people will spend a bit and accumulate a bit, then spend a bit ‘more’ and accumulate a bit ‘more’ – each time improving their business until such time as they are content with what they have (this might be a comfortable income/lifestyle or it may be a window cleaning empire).
Some people will be able to accelerate this process and a few will opt for the ‘fast track’ option, spending massively at the outset in the hope of reaping big rewards in a very short time.
We are not saying the latter can’t be done by a ‘newbie’ but the ones most likely to ‘pull it off’ are those who have already been responsible for success in another business.
Taking the latter option is a big risk – you may go bankrupt before you achieve the sales required to service your debt.
Most people start off slowly – but its up to you!
what would you say was a slow build up and what is quick with investment Mike? have you had any experience with this?
I'm just interested to know if you have any further thoughts mate ;)
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Its not only in window cleaning that these things are happening. I knew somebody who bought a big catering trailer years ago because he was going to make his fortune doing shows and events.
Then he found out the good events were all sewn up and all he could get were bottom end car boot sales which didn't generate anywhere near enough income.
As a London taxi driver I am on the fringes of the car hire trade. Very much the same story applies to these American stretch limos. You will never find any serious operators buying and running them because everyone knows you can't make them pay. The depreciation and running costs are too high even given the ridiculous prices they try to charge.
The only people that buy them are newbies and they always go broke but if you phone the people who import and sell them they will tell you it a licence to print money.
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Steve
I think its all relative, surely. Relative to a persons confidence and desire.
Some people are averse to borrowing and will only spend once they've 'earned'.
Others will borrow small amounts to start with, and if it appears to be 'working out' will borrow more.
What is 'slow' or 'fast' will be interpreted differrently by different people.
Getting there in the end (wherever it is you want to be) is what's important.
The speed you get there is up to you.
GOD - what am I rambling on about - I'm turning into EWAN
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Steve
I think its all relative, surely. Relative to a persons confidence and desire.
Some people are averse to borrowing and will only spend once they've 'earned'.
Others will borrow small amounts to start with, and if it appears to be 'working out' will borrow more.
What is 'slow' or 'fast' will be interpreted differrently by different people.
Getting there in the end (wherever it is you want to be) is what's important.
The speed you get there is up to you.
GOD - what am I rambling on about - I'm turning into EWAN
good answer Mike ;)
I think i fall into the section of dipping my toe in then realising the formula and staking higher to gain what i want.
The only thing i will say is the old saying of building to quick can ruin you before you start. I believe you need to build a solid foundation before attempting anything to big.
you wouldn't build a house on shaky foundations would you? otherwise it will fall down!
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Crikey Ewan it's pretty obvious i would have thought. The people buying these units aren't the ones on this forum slagging each other off over earnings. It's the big commercial boys who can earn that kind of money on huge contracts. Mr domestic is going to struggle to pay for that kind of kit even with a full round. This doesn't nessesarilly mean that the operator is on the big money, he probably earns less than a lot of us it's the company as a whole who needs those high paying contracts.
Your last sentance seems to be put there to ridicule window cleaners. Are you getting all this crap from a book? Never a question like" how can i fix my varistream" just a constant barrage of marketing and earnings questions usually answered by yourself and rammed down our throats like we are a load of idiots!
I suggest you go out and buy one then in six months tell us how your getting on.
Thanks FTP, you just saved my pretty little finger ends a wee bit of extra wear! ;D ;D ;D
Antony
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its a tuff call this one, i know the big guys up here spend thousands on the latest equipment and vans etc and i have no problem with that coz they have got the money and they are generating employment for the guys who cant or wont go across into self employment.
on the other hand i think to deride someone who only spent 200-300 quid on a diy setup is equally bad.....most of the guys i know (including guys that worked for me and had the wherewithall to setup on their own) dont have the huge amount of cash needed to get a setup from ionics or the other suppliers out there....so if they cant afford that then shall we say you cant start at all?...not at all.....i would much rather see a window cleaner convert to the cheapest possible option of wfp than be another stastistic on the HSE annual report of window cleaners that have fallen to their deaths. :'(
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i really should read the title before i drone on..... ;D....i aint saying how much i make......its never enuff anyway ::)...plus if you make more than me i will be jealous....and if you make less than me i will be a little smug :-X.......and i dont like jealous people anyway. ;D
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You don’t have to talk about your own finances, you can just generalise about all the options available with what your current knowledge and understanding.
That way there’s no bragging about money or personal information that you wish to keep that way.
There already been a few good posts. But nobody has really pushed the boat out.
ftp you have some strong views how long have you been window cleaning?
I've been windowcleaning just under two years, i invested about £10,000 in total to get me started - totally diy. I canvassed my own round to start with and spent the first year without enough work for my likeing. My second year has been very busy with the add on of gutter cleaning with a diy vac. I could still take on more work particularly if i worked in the rain (i don't) I have several thousand pounds to pay in tax by January (god knows how you've avoided that). That's about it, my earnings are my business and nobody elses and i'm a sole trader.
So what about you? Haven't seen your earnings plastered over the forum yet why's that?
I don't think i have strong views, i think i have strong reactions to some of your posts which are strong views. I'm not very business minded, but i am strong on common sense i feel.
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You don’t have to talk about your own finances, you can just generalise about all the options available with what your current knowledge and understanding.
That way there’s no bragging about money or personal information that you wish to keep that way.
There already been a few good posts. But nobody has really pushed the boat out.
ftp you have some strong views how long have you been window cleaning?
I've been windowcleaning just under two years, i invested about £10,000 in total to get me started - totally diy. I canvassed my own round to start with and spent the first year without enough work for my likeing. My second year has been very busy with the add on of gutter cleaning with a diy vac. I could still take on more work particularly if i worked in the rain (i don't) I have several thousand pounds to pay in tax by January (god knows how you've avoided that). That's about it, my earnings are my business and nobody elses and i'm a sole trader.
So what about you? Haven't seen your earnings plastered over the forum yet why's that?
He's still another year to do at "the royal institute of extreme analysis & severe deep thought" before he get's on to practical! 8)
You should take him under your wing david ;)
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Really don't understand the point of this topic as Ewan answers it in his original post saying that "there is no secret". I think he just likes winding people up and mentioning Ionics very expensive systems is always a good start.
Other companies do hot water systems now if you want one, Ionics is not your only option if you do not want to go DIY.
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Ewan,
If you want something to investigate, try this one.
Recently I lost a contract to OCS (the UKs biggest window cleaning company; though I believe it's a franchise). The building that I lost contains a big solicitors firm, a dentist and an orthodontist.
Nice job, quick to pay, nice customers.
I lost it because the owners of the building sold it onto another company who use a management company which sounds like 'Kings-scurge'; it's based in London; I think it's a big management company.
My customers all said in a meeting they wished to retain their current window cleaner, (me) and at first they said yes, if I provided a risk/method statement and a copy of my insurance. But then they changed their minds and said they had to use the one they use (OCS).
So I phoned 'Kings-scurge' (I got the number from my customer) and spoke to a friendly bloke; and this is what they told me:
1. They used to have 2000 sub-contractors (obviously not all window cleaners), but the admin was a 'nightmare', so they've reduced this number down to 200.
2. They only use OCS for their window cleaning, however this is not cast in iron; and he gave me another number to phone, and if I fitted a certain criteria (which he didn't know what it was), it was possible for us to be added to their list of approved contractors.
But I didn't bother; I'm in this job to keep life simple.
Anyway, I still do the insides of this property, OCS only do the outside (it's in the building contract that the tennants are responsible for the interior of their window cleaning).
OCS do the bare minimum; the last time I was there the windows looked rotten; so they must 'fly round'; which isn't bad because they can't possibly lose the contract.
So, Ewan, why don't you investigate the big management companies and try to get on their list of approved contractors? You may have to do a few short courses; 'elf & safety stuff; I don't really know what their criteria will be.
But it's something tangible, where-as you seem to be groping for the intangible.
It's not rocket science (who is it that get's wound up by that phrase? ;D)
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I don't know about you guys, but I have never had a prospective client come and inspect my system before deciding to give me the job.
Most of them have no idea whether you have the latest Ionics system or a DIY one.
Most of our systems have exactly the same components, It's not as if [using Tosh's comparison] we are comparing a Roller and a London taxi.
Too many people are being influenced by the big brands hype, it's getting to the point where the Reach and wash logo is worth more than the van and it's installed equipment, but worth more to who? Not the client that's for sure.
If a guy believes he can really run faster in the latest Nike trainers, then let him buy them, but trainers are rarely bought for that purpose, they buy them to impress others, and the others in our case is very rarely the client.
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Well this is intersting...
But a difficult one. Especially without upsetting anyone.
I think everyone has their place. Just like traditional wc has its place and wfp has its place.
For instance, would a large company take on small work compared to a one man band. Probably not!
I have only been doing window cleaning for a short while, its not my main business just an addon. But I must say I myself have found it easy to get wc jobs. I am still looking for more thou, As I want to grow. Soon it will be my main area.
I do not own an IONIC or reach and wash system... they are far too expensive for me. That does not mean I wont buy one at a later date.
I have just purchased a static cold system that produces 1000litres in 4 hours with salt container and water softener, its an RO init . with 1000 ibc tanks in a cage.
also have a trolley system 75litre, but it can be used as a truck mount system. Just connect a hose and off you go.
I have found I have with this got large clients and small clients. So you dont need to purchase and i will say invest instead of wasting £40,000. Just to get and earn lots of money.
Now wether you have a £40,000 peice of kit or a home made DIY kit it does not matter. At the end of the day they do the same job. OK there is no denying that the more expensive kit will do something better or quicker.
I mean my Jaguar will out run my l200 pickup any day... but then you expect it too.
What does matter is Marketing. And your commitment. And your goals that you are setting yourself. Some people run before they can walk and manage to get away with it. Other are not so lucky.
As for being VAT registered... well I am VAT registered. But it also has its draw backs. But if you are clever there are ways of not having to go VAT registered.
As for working for large management companies well I can say from experience its not all its cracked up to be. But if you can get in with them and providing its the way you want to go then go for it. But you have to keep updating your details yearly with them like insurance and certificates etc.
Too many people judge a book by the cover, and just because they want to repair there veristream instead of purchasing a new one does not mean that he does not have the money there to buy one.
Even thou I have purchased a new system, I will also go throu Tosh'es instructions on how to make a cheap pole for under £40.00
Dave
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Well this is intersting...
But a difficult one. Especially without upsetting anyone.
I think everyone has their place. Just like traditional wc has its place and wfp has its place.
For instance, would a large company take on small work compared to a one man band. Probably not!
I have only been doing window cleaning for a short while, its not my main business just an addon. But I must say I myself have found it easy to get wc jobs. I am still looking for more thou, As I want to grow. Soon it will be my main area.
I do not own an IONIC or reach and wash system... they are far too expensive for me. That does not mean I wont buy one at a later date.
I have just purchased a static cold system that produces 1000litres in 4 hours with salt container and water softener, its an RO init . with 1000 ibc tanks in a cage.
also have a trolley system 75litre, but it can be used as a truck mount system. Just connect a hose and off you go.
I have found I have with this got large clients and small clients. So you dont need to purchase and i will say invest instead of wasting £40,000. Just to get and earn lots of money.
Now wether you have a £40,000 peice of kit or a home made DIY kit it does not matter. At the end of the day they do the same job. OK there is no denying that the more expensive kit will do something better or quicker.
I mean my Jaguar will out run my l200 pickup any day... but then you expect it too.
What does matter is Marketing. And your commitment. And your goals that you are setting yourself. Some people run before they can walk and manage to get away with it. Other are not so lucky.
As for being VAT registered... well I am VAT registered. But it also has its draw backs. But if you are clever there are ways of not having to go VAT registered.
As for working for large management companies well I can say from experience its not all its cracked up to be. But if you can get in with them and providing its the way you want to go then go for it. But you have to keep updating your details yearly with them like insurance and certificates etc.
Too many people judge a book by the cover, and just because they want to repair there veristream instead of purchasing a new one does not mean that he does not have the money there to buy one.
Even thou I have purchased a new system, I will also go throu Tosh'es instructions on how to make a cheap pole for under £40.00
Dave
i have read a lot of your posts and at last someone is posting who lives in the real world.
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Nothing to add again macmac, what a surprise
Now don’t go and post about how great you are because that’s all you do when you are not commenting on other.
Just because you can’t come up with anything original or anything come to think about it, try and hold you council.
By all means post something useful.
No it not a wind up DD, at worst it will just show up the boaster for who they really are.
Others may come away with a bit of knowledge from the ones who have posted and know what they are on about.
You can dress common sense up with bells, whistles, whatever you like BUT, you can't pull the wool over my eyes young'un!
Your self-expressed "intelligence? ???" I do find amusing though ;)
macmac the great
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i dont uderstand Ewan, his posts are never about window cleaner, does he window clean ? ? ? ? i might have missed a post about if he is or isnt
any1 care to explain the interest in this game
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I do, why would anyone want to post their sales as you call it or more importantly their earnings on an open forum?
you wouldn't. and i wouldn't.
and nor would i
ewan
do you ask everyone you meet how much they earn ???
if you get introduced to someone in the pub do you spend the evening saying "how much you pulling down a year then?"
i may be old fashioned but i just think its plain rude
last year i went to party, it was my mums best freinds 40 th wedding anniversary
we all went, my mum, bro and me ( with respective wifes and my daughter )
the father of my old best mate in school was at the bar ( he also knows them ) i havent seen his son ( or him ) for 20 years
the first thing he said " oh hi matt, whats your P.A this year "
eh ? ? ? ? ?
not, how are you, havent seen you in 20 years
he was interested in what a success i had become by judgeing me by my earnings ::) ::) ::)
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Ewan
you've been asked twice & not replied, so I'll make it three-
Do you clean windows or not?
Are you what we call a window cleaner?
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I’m more than just a window cleaner, macmac. I went self employed not just so I can clean windows. If I wanted to do just that I might as well just get a job as a window cleaner.
I don’t think there’s any mystery to what a window cleaner is able to earn but there will be variations and reasons for that. I thought that might be worth discussion.
are you also a politician ? ?? ??
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I’m more than just a window cleaner, macmac. I went self employed not just so I can clean windows. If I wanted to do just that I might as well just get a job as a window cleaner.
I don’t think there’s any mystery to what a window cleaner is able to earn but there will be variations and reasons for that. I thought that might be worth discussion.
So what exactly are you?
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Ive always thought he's a windup merchant, as has been said, he never talks about window cleaning.
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Ive always thought he's a windup merchant, as has been said, he never talks about window cleaning.
its beginning to get a touch boring now though, thus i thought i would ask
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Maybe you should talk about window cleaning for once and stop trying to be a Boffin.
Come on Ewan lets hear about the time you dragged your hose through a custys dog-doo, the time it rained just after you scrimmed the first window on a house, the way the strange window cleaner in a beat-up old escort was giving you the evils, how a custy asked you if you were going to dry the water drops off the glass.
Lets hear you talk about 'hands on'.
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I guess Im just thick then (smart with it, but thick, as you said ;) ) and your a boffin.
And yes that is what is most interesting on here, dont you find? In case you hadnt noticed its a cleaning forum.
At least one good thing has come out of it, its making you begin to think ;)
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So what was the answer to the question "what's the mystery about sales? "because i find the posts of yours a mystery Ewan, i just don't understand them. One minute it looks as if you are trying to prise some figures out of us and then the next you say it's a form of bragging? I just don't understand what your getting at please explain to me. Or anyone who understands.
If i knew what you were talking about i wouldn't feel so frustrated - maybe it's just me?
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If you are going to post on threads like this or similar, post something worthwhile.
Okay, oh look ftp doesnt 'get' you either!
Worthwhile enough?
I have to say ftp, I agree totally with you, he's full of contradictions. His posts are riddles, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going with his work and tries to baffle with bu115h1t.
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are you davo
are you davo
are you davo in disguise
are yoooou daaavooo innn disguise?
;D
repeat ad nauseam
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in precis
"Where are you going"
out to clean some windows ;D
"What about the costs"
about 20% of turnover (although this will be different for everyone)
"Whats the mystery about sales?"
maybe people dont like to get asked how much they earn
fair enough ???
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h you been a wc ewan? you talk sense ;)
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Or earnings as some like to call it.
read that top line back ::)
and the number is spelt two not to ;D
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Well, that's how i read it Ewan, you said sales or earnings as some call it. Honestly i haven't a clue what you are talking about and you don't seem to be able to explain yourself - sorry.
Costs i understand, but i can't avoid them and i wouldn't post my figures for that either.
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I do, why would anyone want to post their sales as you call it or more importantly their earnings on an open forum?
you wouldn't. and i wouldn't.
and nor would i
ewan
do you ask everyone you meet how much they earn ???
if you get introduced to someone in the pub do you spend the evening saying "how much you pulling down a year then?"
i may be old fashioned but i just think its plain rude
last year i went to party, it was my mums best freinds 40 th wedding anniversary
we all went, my mum, bro and me ( with respective wifes and my daughter )
the father of my old best mate in school was at the bar ( he also knows them ) i havent seen his son ( or him ) for 20 years
the first thing he said " oh hi matt, whats your P.A this year "
eh ? ? ? ? ?
not, how are you, havent seen you in 20 years
he was interested in what a success i had become by judgeing me by my earnings ::) ::) ::)
you know what matt? i remember that post and had it mind when i wrote mine
i know a bloke who i only see every couple of years
he is just the same ::)
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Just for L.J.Thorpe, sales and earnings are to different things.
Two, Hmm, are you sure L.J.Thorpe.
ftp we all go out to work and say we have “earned” £so much, that’s just general conversation.
What it is really, is “Sales”
This is just basic stuff, it would be worth you while to understand the differences.
You don’t sound like a lost cause, unlike some! ;D
get a grip ewan you have just contradicted yourself again
and do you really not know the difference between to too and two ??? ??? ??? ???
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I do, why would anyone want to post their sales as you call it or more importantly their earnings on an open forum?
you wouldn't. and i wouldn't.
and nor would i
ewan
do you ask everyone you meet how much they earn ???
if you get introduced to someone in the pub do you spend the evening saying "how much you pulling down a year then?"
i may be old fashioned but i just think its plain rude
last year i went to party, it was my mums best freinds 40 th wedding anniversary
we all went, my mum, bro and me ( with respective wifes and my daughter )
the father of my old best mate in school was at the bar ( he also knows them ) i havent seen his son ( or him ) for 20 years
the first thing he said " oh hi matt, whats your P.A this year "
eh ? ? ? ? ?
not, how are you, havent seen you in 20 years
he was interested in what a success i had become by judgeing me by my earnings ::) ::) ::)
you know what matt? i remember that post and had it mind when i wrote mine
i know a bloke who i only see every couple of years
he is just the same ::)
its amazing that we still have people who judge others on what they earn
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i am starting to belive with these riddle posts that dont seem to go anywhere that some1 suffers from MSBP
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MSBP ???
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are you davo
are you davo
are you davo in disguise
are yoooou daaavooo innn disguise?
;D
repeat ad nauseam
EXACTLY my suspicions too.
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MSBP ???
Munchausen Syndrome
a attention-seeking personality disorder
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by proxy ;D
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anyway enough is enough
i am not going to bite on anymore of these posts
ewan
you post like you want to be clive (discount)
difference is that he has sharp end technical expertise
and i respect him for that
i am not sure what you are about but i dont think its cleaning windows
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what are you talking about ??? ???
how many urinal cakes do you have to eat to reach "planet ewan" of an evening??? ???
you contradict yourself in TWO posts 30 minutes apart
even you dont know what you are talking about ::)
goodnight
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It’s always the same few who post on a thread and go on to talk about nothing, as usual.
CIU could be a lot better for window cleaners if you lot just try and let others have there say, doesn’t matter if it’s accurate.
People can still pick things up from mistakes.
IMO you are on the wrong forum, CUI benefits every day by real people talking from experience, & talking sense for that matter. At least Davo made some sense at times.
Or, you work for the IR?
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You said you haven't paid any tax. ???
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You said you haven't paid any tax. ???
;D
To get the joke, you have to have followed Ewans posts; but FTP has just posted one of the funniest one-liners I've seen on this site.
Honest.
;D
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Come on Ewan, time to come clean, who are you? What do you do for a living? If it's windowcleaning how about some information like where do you work? What system do you use? What kind of customer base? Oh, and how much do you earn every week?
Lots of questions i know but you know all about us and we know nothing about you so spill the beenz - it works both ways. Who knows we might start to understand you one day. ;)
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cheers ewan for giving us something to talk about mate, without you the world would be a more serene and peacefull place and i would spend my days contemplating my role in the world and working out ways to make it better.....but since you happen to be on the scene and i fink we all know where you spend most of your busfare money travelling to.......(the inland revenue complex where you work) i will say to you wot i say to all the covert tax inspectors ( i know u exist as one of my mates is one) which is " we have nuffing to hide on this forum and declare all we earn to the relevent authorities and we have an accountant to verify our books".....but i dont mind you coming on here as it gives me something to do on these wet and windy nights. :P
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oops i fink i have let the cat out of the bag.....oh no......wot am i going to tell the lads?......ah i know....we have been a bit quiet lately...but there is this one guy on the forums....i fink his name is ewan....i will do a ip check on him and we can get his records and link up his bank account to see if there is anything that appears to be different to the return he sent us on the 16 of july 2008.....or there abouts. ;)
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You said you haven't paid any tax. ???
;D
To get the joke, you have to have followed Ewans posts; but FTP has just posted one of the funniest one-liners I've seen on this site.
Honest.
;D
Classic.
And you claim others are unprofessional Ewan. What a fraud.
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Thats rich ;D
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Does that mean you're going to tell us a story now?
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What 'ya mumbling on about this time ewe -an?
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What 'ya mumbling on about this time ewe -an?
He'll have an exam coming up, bless him :-*
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I could tell you but then I would be accused of being a know it all.
I am serious I dont want to get into yet another argument.
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Glyn we wouldnt want 2 know alls in the same thread ;)
(I'll leave the rest of my post unfinished so Ewey can make a smart comment)