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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Kevin R on September 30, 2008, 07:00:52 pm
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Worried about weather you should buy an Omnivac?
Worried about how much it will cost - Will you make your money back?
Well don't!!! Buy a professional system , generator, camera and all. And with a little bit of web advertising you will not be able to stand still!!!!!
I am now taking bookings (commercial only) into the first week of December!!!!!
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Can you use it in wet weather? or is it too risky being electric and all? What rated generator do you use?
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Hi Kev,
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Omnivac just a industrial wet and dry? and the exact same model as what Alex G sells for a fraction of the price?
If I buy an Omnivac how will it generate more work or do a better job than a diy one?
I gather you like Omnipole but I'm starting to think your on some sort of commision.
Pro
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kev was checking your site and i really like do you mind if my website designer uses it to help him make mine more corperate?
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I'm starting to think your on some sort of commision.
ditto! i'm heavily interested in the omnivac but there seems to be to much open knowledge of how much work there is for it.
the phrase "if its to good to be true it normally is" springs to mind
its not a dig Kev but why not keep this info to yourself if its that good?
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I am now taking bookings (commercial only) into the first week of December!!!!!
I assume he is on commission from that statement.. ;)
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Hi Kev,
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Omnivac just a industrial wet and dry? and the exact same model as what Alex G sells for a fraction of the price?
If I buy an Omnivac how will it generate more work or do a better job than a diy one?
I gather you like Omnipole but I'm starting to think your on some sort of commision.
Pro
I am a commercial cleaner. The Omnivac is an out of the box solution. I dont have time to mess about botching a system together. I have run my Omnivac along side Mr H's Diy version and completed far more work in much less a time. Omnivacs tooling is superior than the DIY version.
Its as simple as this " you get what you pay for" Its not just about saving money its about customer service and having the right tools to do the job.
Last month I took over 12K on gutter cleaning alone, work it out do I have time to source all the bits and put one together? I think not, I would rather be earning than messing about in my shed.
I have never been paid commission, the fact that the Omnivac took my business from an good business to a great one with such a little investment is enough for me. I do offer advice and help to Glyns customers and potentential customers for free - why because I believe in the product and I want to see it evolve.
Can you use it in wet weather? or is it too risky being electric and all? What rated generator do you use?
Rain or shine it gets used with no problems. I use a 5KVa generator. The generator is kept in a covered trailer, the extension lead has waterproof connectors on and I have used the vac in torrential rain on several occaisions with out a worry ;D
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they r not as good as you think they are
i have one
jerry
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Steve,
Id rather diy a triple 1200 (110) and buy a power pole (camera and gen'e from someone else) or upkeeper pole.
Pro
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I'm starting to think your on some sort of commision.
its not a dig Kev but why not keep this info to yourself if its that good?
Because at the moment there are only a few commercial users. Some of the tooling could do with advancement as different profiles of guttering create different challenges. The more users the better the tooling will become just like wfp did. The massive growth of wfp has done me no harm - why should this - just look around - hundreds of gutters that are more like abandoned flower boxes then gutters - There is enough of this work for everyone.
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they r not as good as you think they are
i have one
jerry
I bet you if you spend the day with me I will change your mind. A bad workman blames his tools - much like I did before I gained the necessary experience. What you have to remember its not a solution for every gutter cleaning task - the skill it being able to tell what its good for and when another approach is called for.
The learning curve is much steeper than wfp ;)
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kev was checking your site and i really like do you mind if my website designer uses it to help him make mine more corperate?
As long as its not used word for word - and my pictures are not used without permission Please ;)
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well i think kev is right.. i have the full system from omnivac, you open the box and it works. ive not really been trying to get to much work with it ive only spoken to 3 business about gutter work, my local council who i start working for on saturday. a very large local holiday park. and a local school. all have loved the gutter vac. i have enough work with these contracts alone to last me all winter.
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Steve,
Id rather diy a triple 1200 (110) and buy a power pole (camera and gen'e from someone else) or upkeeper pole.
Pro
Of course its a free world and good luck to you ;D
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
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Kevin R
i can tell you i no how to use my tools
i will say it again they r not as good as u think they are (CRAP)
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Kevin R
i can tell you i no how to use my tools
i will say it again they r not as good as u think they are (CRAP)
well i think kev is right.. i have the full system from omnivac, you open the box and it works. ive not really been trying to get to much work with it ive only spoken to 3 business about gutter work, my local council who i start working for on saturday. a very large local holiday park. and a local school. all have loved the gutter vac. i have enough work with these contracts alone to last me all winter.
Hi Mark,
My story is much the same as yours. I had a couple of large clients and I bought the machine for them really. I did a little bit of advertising on the web. Things started off slowly - but now I have got a good reputation and good news travels fast. I now have enough customers to take my business worries away for the first time ever. I have many regular gutter cleaning contracts, many of these companies have given me their window cleaning - cladding cleaning contracts too.
Its growing still even with all this talk of recession - why because gutters still get blocked and damage property and stock - its that simple
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
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Kevin R
i can tell you i no how to use my tools
i will say it again they r not as good as u think they are (CRAP)
Obviously ;)
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so you agree well done
jerry
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Kev, what voltage are you using? This electric in the rain bit worries me. ( i know very little)
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Kev 'the omnivac' is a 51mm triple 1200 the exact same machine you can buy anywere else ???
You said you hadn't the time to source the bits so Omnipole done it for you and I pressume charged well for it I also noticed they do that with allot of there other products, all off the shelf from suppliers and put together with a fancy sticker and nice price tag. I'd rather make a couple of phone calls.
Also I wouldn't buy from a company that sells goods to the consumer then goes behind his back to sell to the consumer of the consumer, very sly if you ask me! Glyn's firm are big players in more fields than one and they know how to use the tools they sell to us, I dont like it.
Pro
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Kev, what voltage are you using? This electric in the rain bit worries me. ( i know very little)
I use 240v - dont worry I had the same concerns but an electrician mate of mine passed it all ok after a couple of mods to my extension lead ;)
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Which were?
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Kev 'the omnivac' is a 51mm triple 1200 the exact same machine you can buy anywere else ???
You said you hadn't the time to source the bits so Omnipole done it for you and I pressume charged well for it I also noticed they do that with allot of there other products, all off the shelf from suppliers and put together with a fancy sticker and nice price tag. I'd rather make a couple of phone calls.
Also I wouldn't buy from a company that sells goods to the consumer then goes behind his back to sell to the consumer of the consumer, very sly if you ask me! Glyn's firm are big players in more fields than one and they know how to use the tools they sell to us, I dont like it.
Pro
Yes you can buy the triple vac - but the omnivac has a modified inlet / hose connector. It accepts a massive 51 mm hose. It just doesnt block unlike the 38mm inlets.
I am not an engineer so like I said I am happy that Omnipole developed - tested - and demonstrated the machine before I bought it. The price difference allows for this service - their profit for their work - thats capitalism ;)
Im sorry I dont really understand your last paragraph?
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Which were?
All the plugs / connectors are water resistant (do not submerse). The cable is 40m and 2.5 cm. It had to be upgraded in size and to a 16 amp fuse due to its length.
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Thanks Kev.
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Thanks Kev.
no worries ;)
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Im sorry I dont really understand your last paragraph?
I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market. And from what I can see that stabs a proportion of its customers in the back.
If you sold a man a knife and fork but then stole his bread would that be fair or good business?
Pro
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Im sorry I dont really understand your last paragraph?
I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market.
Pro
Ok I see what your getting at - I have a client that bought an Omnivac. They asked me to train them, I declined. The asked me to quote work for them asking is it possible to do it with the Omnivac? Then they would try it themselves. They hate using the machine as they have learned its a skill that requires learning. Ok so now I do work for them and I know where my next cheap Omnivac is coming from, but even if they had sussed it should Omnipole have not sold the machine to my client? Don't we live in a free market?
I don't see that thats underhand? I know most of the guys in my local area that do the same as I do - we all get on and drink coffee and chat whenever time allows but we all compete against each other in a business sense. Thats business, I with their help and them with mine help to keep our prices competitive and at a good market value. if someone gave me a massive contract on Glyn's doorstep would I ask his permission if I could do it - of course not.
The point is there is so much work out there who cares?
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Kev,
You are confused mate. I didn't know that and am shocked that glyn would sell to your client and you still rate him so much. There has to be some kind of discount going on ;D
I'm talking about glyn and co Window cleaning. Am I also right in saying he is the biggest Guttervac Cleaning firm supplying the service in the UK.#
I cant work out why you started this topic, it just doesn't add up to me.
Pro
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Kevin R
i think u r not allowed 240v on site
jerry
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I dont think Glyn realised it was my client - the are a massive concern and even if he did so what? He has every right to sell to who he wants doesn't he?
And why the concern if Glyn has a cleaning firm? - Thats where the Omnivac was developed - He had a cleaning need that nothing else addressed so he built the solution. The difference is he didn't copy it unlike all the DIY ers have copied his.
I started this topic simply because In the current climate its good to know that there is good well paid work to be had for a little investment. This forum and others have really helped me in the past - shouldn't I return the favour or should I just come on here and get as much info as I can for free then keep it to myself?
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Kevin R
i think u r not allowed 240v on site
jerry
What site? Do you mean building sites? I think you will find new gutters are usually ok for a bit LOL ;D
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Kevin R
any site were you r working
jerry
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Kevin R
any site were you r working
jerry
I think you may need to do a little further reading my friend ;)
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I don't understand propoles argument, surely Alex Gardiner does the same? Supplies the industry and works as a windowcleaner?
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I agree with the 240v on site is not allowed
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240v is not allowed in harsh environments such as construction sites. Gutter cleaning is not usually carried out on construction sites.
Please update yourselves here
theiet.org/factfiles/health/hsb34b.cfm?type=pdf (http://theiet.org/factfiles/health/hsb34b.cfm?type=pdf)
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I don't understand propoles argument, surely Alex Gardiner does the same? Supplies the industry and works as a windowcleaner?
exactly - thank you ftp
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Hi
I recently bought the omnivac- still coming to terms with the best method, but wouldnt part with it.
Currently operating mainly to the domestic market
What price can you put on your safety,
in the long term looking for a huge return on my investment, will be marketing the commercial market in the near future.
Find myself when stuck in traffic looking at the various gardens people have grown in there gutters- plenty of work out there.
Now looking to canvass commercial market............has anyone produced a flyer since purchasing the system
Regards
Billy
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Billy don't bother with cold calling or leaflets, lot of effort for little return, put a page on your website and the calls will start coming in ;)
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Thanks
Kev
currently having website updated with details
regards
Billy
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Its the time of year to get it done Billy - good luck ;)
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Kevin R
there is one thing that the omnivac is very good for,
can you guess wat it is
jerry
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Hoovering?
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Kev,
What I can't get my head round is if you have not got the time to source the bits, why sit on here banging on about omnivac's all the time.
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kev wont take any pics or wording more the lay out, i want to get a vac but want my website to provide me with the work is this how you get your commercial work?
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kev wont take any pics or wording more the lay out, i want to get a vac but want my website to provide me with the work is this how you get your commercial work?
No worries.
I have a big ad in yellow pages - two on yell.com and I have my website. I use google adwords from time to time but less often nowadays, however it was good when I was actively seeking work.
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Kev,
What I can't get my head round is if you have not got the time to source the bits, why sit on here banging on about omnivac's all the time.
Shops are closed and its too dark to work - numpty ;)
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Kevin R
there is one thing that the omnivac is very good for,
can you guess wat it is
jerry
Buy the sounds of things I don't think yours will block it LOL ;)
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
so you DIY'ed a extension lead ;D ;D
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why two on yell .com?? different areas maybe??
what headings do they come under
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
so you DIY'ed a extension lead ;D ;D
No my electrician mate did though ;)
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
so you DIY'ed a extension lead ;D ;D
No my electrician mate did though ;)
;D ;D ;D, i guess you knew i was only joking ;)
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why two on yell .com?? different areas maybe??
what headings do they come under
yep different areas ;)
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
so you DIY'ed a extension lead ;D ;D
No my electrician mate did though ;)
;D ;D ;D, i guess you knew i was only joking ;)
I did LOL
You know I had no idea I needed a bigger cable/fuse until I was doing a commercial job and when I started winding the cable back in (standard extension) It felt very hot. I casually asked my mate and he sorted it for me.
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kev wont take any pics or wording more the lay out, i want to get a vac but want my website to provide me with the work is this how you get your commercial work?
No worries.
I have a big ad in yellow pages - two on yell.com and I have my website. I use google adwords from time to time but less often nowadays, however it was good when I was actively seeking work.
did adwords work well for you, i havent had much luck, but i have had a few calls from ppc companies asking if they can manage my adwords account but they want you to spend £500 a month and give them 10% of spend!!
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kev wont take any pics or wording more the lay out, i want to get a vac but want my website to provide me with the work is this how you get your commercial work?
No worries.
I have a big ad in yellow pages - two on yell.com and I have my website. I use google adwords from time to time but less often nowadays, however it was good when I was actively seeking work.
did adwords work well for you, i havent had much luck, but i have had a few calls from ppc companies asking if they can manage my adwords account but they want you to spend £500 a month and give them 10% of spend!!
I did the basic automatic job on a £1 a day budget advertising locally only, not on the content network. I use it when I want more work for wfp or gutter work. You dont get loads of clicks but some have been excellent quality. We ask all our new customers where they got our details and most are from YP, Yell, adwords or the website.
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I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market. And from what I can see that stabs a proportion of its customers in the back.
If you sold a man a knife and fork but then stole his bread would that be fair or good business?
Pro
Are you making the accusation that I have ever taken anybodies work?
I have been involved in Window Cleaning for 31 years
Graffiti Removal for 24 years
and Gutter Cleaning since 2001
I have never knowingly taken anybodies work. have passed on hundreds of jobs to Omnipole customers.
I take exception that you make a veiled accusation that I would ever consider taking work from any one let alone an Omnipole customer.
Whats realy interesting is you dont give a location to where you are - no email no indication at all - what are you worried about?
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I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market. And from what I can see that stabs a proportion of its customers in the back.
If you sold a man a knife and fork but then stole his bread would that be fair or good business?
Pro
Are you making the accusation that I have ever taken anybodies work?
I have been involved in Window Cleaning for 31 years
Graffiti Removal for 24 years
and Gutter Cleaning since 2001
I have never knowingly taken anybodies work. have passed on hundreds of jobs to Omnipole customers.
I take exception that you make a veiled accusation that I would ever consider taking work from any one let alone an Omnipole customer.
Whats realy interesting is you dont give a location to where you are - no email no indication at all - what are you worried about?
Don't worry about it Glyn,
Some people like to hide behind words and wind others up - just look at a few of his lasts posts on this and other threads - pretty negative on the whole.
You can alway guarantee a good bun fight on CIU ;)
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glyn
I rang 2 weeks ago intrested in the omnipole but i wanted to see in action you told me(or someone from the pffice did) that you would ring me the next day??
I dont mind paying good money for quality but i would like to see the vac in action first, im still very intrested.
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Ronnie
Can you email me and I will arrange a demo.
Personally I was on Holiday a couple of weeks ago - sorry for the inconvieniance.
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Glyn,
As in my previous posts about a electrical extension cable, would it be possible for you to source and sell a water resistant 240v 2.5 cable with a 16amp fuse ?
Your connections are better than mine for sure ;)
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
so you DIY'ed a extension lead ;D ;D
No my electrician mate did though ;)
;D ;D ;D, i guess you knew i was only joking ;)
I did LOL
You know I had no idea I needed a bigger cable/fuse until I was doing a commercial job and when I started winding the cable back in (standard extension) It felt very hot. I casually asked my mate and he sorted it for me.
i once worked for a builder, he had a bit of a joiners workshop in his yard
i had to make some windows for a job we had on, i set-up all the kit, even down to dust extraction ( a hoover with a nozzle at the action end )
i had a few power tools on the go, they all stoped at once, the guy had run a extension lead from his office into the workshop, i had melted the cable :o :o
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kev
i need a long extention lead from my geni to the vac. can you recomend any.
thanks
You can use 40m of 2.5 cable - They are hard to buy off the shelf like that. So adapted a standard extension reel.
so you DIY'ed a extension lead ;D ;D
No my electrician mate did though ;)
;D ;D ;D, i guess you knew i was only joking ;)
I did LOL
You know I had no idea I needed a bigger cable/fuse until I was doing a commercial job and when I started winding the cable back in (standard extension) It felt very hot. I casually asked my mate and he sorted it for me.
i once worked for a builder, he had a bit of a joiners workshop in his yard
i had to make some windows for a job we had on, i set-up all the kit, even down to dust extraction ( a hoover with a nozzle at the action end )
i had a few power tools on the go, they all stoped at once, the guy had run a extension lead from his office into the workshop, i had melted the cable :o :o
Tis witchcraft it is ;D ;D ;D
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Glyn,
When were there any direct accusations made then!!
My opinion is, if your big, be big. And i doubt many omnivac users get passed that work in and around your manor.
To me this looks like you were colluding to cut the small guy right out of the picture. Something you just implied I flasley accused you of.
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=53753.0
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I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market. And from what I can see that stabs a proportion of its customers in the back.
If you sold a man a knife and fork but then stole his bread would that be fair or good business?
Pro
Are you making the accusation that I have ever taken anybodies work?
I have been involved in Window Cleaning for 31 years
Graffiti Removal for 24 years
and Gutter Cleaning since 2001
I have never knowingly taken anybodies work. have passed on hundreds of jobs to Omnipole customers.
I take exception that you make a veiled accusation that I would ever consider taking work from any one let alone an Omnipole customer.
Whats realy interesting is you dont give a location to where you are - no email no indication at all - what are you worried about?
Don't worry about it Glyn,
Some people like to hide behind words and wind others up - just look at a few of his lasts posts on this and other threads - pretty negative on the whole.
You can alway guarantee a good bun fight on CIU ;)
the humourous (even ironic ) thing is, he has gone on for a long time how bad DIY is, its better off the shelf, ionics this and ionics that, he can afford to pay for stuff thats off the shelf and doesnt have to DIY , his time is better served being the "pro" and earning more money than the rest
yet now
how do i build a DIY gutter vac and not pay the prices that glyn charges
only if we changed the word " omnivac " for the word "ionicvac" then it would be the best thing since sliced bread in his eyes
though to be honest, he is only a young kid, seems to shout his mouth off and not think what is being typed
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I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market. And from what I can see that stabs a proportion of its customers in the back.
If you sold a man a knife and fork but then stole his bread would that be fair or good business?
Pro
Are you making the accusation that I have ever taken anybodies work?
I have been involved in Window Cleaning for 31 years
Graffiti Removal for 24 years
and Gutter Cleaning since 2001
I have never knowingly taken anybodies work. have passed on hundreds of jobs to Omnipole customers.
I take exception that you make a veiled accusation that I would ever consider taking work from any one let alone an Omnipole customer.
Whats realy interesting is you dont give a location to where you are - no email no indication at all - what are you worried about?
Don't worry about it Glyn,
Some people like to hide behind words and wind others up - just look at a few of his lasts posts on this and other threads - pretty negative on the whole.
You can alway guarantee a good bun fight on CIU ;)
the humourous (even ironic ) thing is, he has gone on for a long time how bad DIY is, its better off the shelf, ionics this and ionics that, he can afford to pay for stuff thats off the shelf and doesnt have to DIY , his time is better served being the "pro" and earning more money than the rest
yet now
how do i build a DIY gutter vac and not pay the prices that glyn charges
only if we changed the word " omnivac " for the word "ionicvac" then it would be the best thing since sliced bread in his eyes
though to be honest, he is only a young kid, seems to shout his mouth off and not think what is being typed
I did get the impression from his last post that maturity is sadly lacking. He obviously takes competition as a personal threat.
Maybe with time he will understand that business is business be you large or small, and other people in business are more likely to help you if your nice ;)
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I think you know what I mean Kev! They may not cover all the way down were you are but they certainly have a very big 'patch' for themselves in more than one market. And from what I can see that stabs a proportion of its customers in the back.
If you sold a man a knife and fork but then stole his bread would that be fair or good business?
Pro
Are you making the accusation that I have ever taken anybodies work?
I have been involved in Window Cleaning for 31 years
Graffiti Removal for 24 years
and Gutter Cleaning since 2001
I have never knowingly taken anybodies work. have passed on hundreds of jobs to Omnipole customers.
I take exception that you make a veiled accusation that I would ever consider taking work from any one let alone an Omnipole customer.
Whats realy interesting is you dont give a location to where you are - no email no indication at all - what are you worried about?
Don't worry about it Glyn,
Some people like to hide behind words and wind others up - just look at a few of his lasts posts on this and other threads - pretty negative on the whole.
You can alway guarantee a good bun fight on CIU ;)
the humourous (even ironic ) thing is, he has gone on for a long time how bad DIY is, its better off the shelf, ionics this and ionics that, he can afford to pay for stuff thats off the shelf and doesnt have to DIY , his time is better served being the "pro" and earning more money than the rest
yet now
how do i build a DIY gutter vac and not pay the prices that glyn charges
only if we changed the word " omnivac " for the word "ionicvac" then it would be the best thing since sliced bread in his eyes
though to be honest, he is only a young kid, seems to shout his mouth off and not think what is being typed
I did get the impression from his last post that maturity is sadly lacking. He obviously takes competition as a personal threat.
Maybe with time he will understand that business is business be you large or small, and other people in business are more likely to help you if your nice ;)
indeed
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Well its been a fun evening thanks for the posts guys
Sleep well ;)
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Oh dear Matthew,
A omnivac and diy one aren't that different in my eyes
I realise you have no idea what your talking about either.
Since the beginning of this topic you have slated the system and Glyn H and his company and now because your not getting your way you start on Matt? You are now showing an IPAF Logo and your not a member - Why not leave the grown up conversations to the adults and the people that like to discuss cleaning and its related subjects without hijacking threads that you obviously know nothing about ;)
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For commercial work, Petrol vacs like Billygoat or Echo Bearcat are not powerfull enough and nether are 3X1Kw vacs, c/f modulars for commercial gutter cleaning are toys, and Omnipole have the best engineered bits - Diy will take you ages to develop, I know, I really tried :'(
Listen to Kev.
You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. 8)
Just my opinion.
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Oh dear Matthew,
A omnivac and diy one aren't that different in my eyes
I realise you have no idea what your talking about either.
Since the beginning of this topic you have slated the system and Glyn H and his company and now because your not getting your way you start on Matt? You are now showing an IPAF Logo and your not a member - Why not leave the grown up conversations to the adults and the people that like to discuss cleaning and its related subjects without hijacking threads that you obviously know nothing about ;)
its like groundhog day, his only arguement is rehashing old twisted non-facts, ive now stopped replying to them, its easy to ignore the childish little boy, not 1 of the points he has raised about me are even close to being true, anyways, im off out again, just to sit in my van and pretend i have a commercail job thats due ( alot like i did at 6 in the morning on sunday ::) ::) )
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Well today I have had a slightly lighter day - One commercial regular gutter cleaning job - not much to do at all one fill of the canister thats all. Then went off to quote for two commercial gutter clearing jobs. One is quite big and will take a couple of days and the other is a 6 hour job. I have priced them fairly high as I am so busy at the moment, I guess I will find out in a day or two.
It was dry today so it was nice not to be staring up into the rain which is one downside of gutter clearing ;D
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Oh dear Matthew,
A omnivac and diy one aren't that different in my eyes
I realise you have no idea what your talking about either.
Since the beginning of this topic you have slated the system and Glyn H and his company and now because your not getting your way you start on Matt? You are now showing an IPAF Logo and your not a member - Why not leave the grown up conversations to the adults and the people that like to discuss cleaning and its related subjects without hijacking threads that you obviously know nothing about ;)
Kev,
How the hell don't I know what I'm talking about.
Instead of pointing out the positives of your system you have put down diy guttervac's and praised how good Omnivac's and how it can make a bounty of riches over inferior diy setups. Yet to me it seriously looks like exactly the same machine?
You could of told us about the pole or glyn's 'special hose' but you didnt ???
So whats actually different about the Omnivac itself to the machine many other suppliers sell?
I personally think Mr H's one is overall a much better setup for height and lightness of pole.
I done my IPAF on the 8th of September!
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Oh dear Matthew,
A omnivac and diy one aren't that different in my eyes
I realise you have no idea what your talking about either.
Since the beginning of this topic you have slated the system and Glyn H and his company and now because your not getting your way you start on Matt? You are now showing an IPAF Logo and your not a member - Why not leave the grown up conversations to the adults and the people that like to discuss cleaning and its related subjects without hijacking threads that you obviously know nothing about ;)
its like groundhog day, his only arguement is rehashing old twisted non-facts, ive now stopped replying to them, its easy to ignore the childish little boy, not 1 of the points he has raised about me are even close to being true, anyways, im off out again, just to sit in my van and pretend i have a commercail job thats due ( alot like i did at 6 in the morning on sunday ::) ::) )
Matthew,
Your a grown man yet you lie like an ashamed child who has wet his pants. If you want me to trawl through finding were and when you said what, I will. But your the one who will look like a two bob liar!
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glyn emailed you like asked but got a reply saying you would only do a demo in london(i live in manchester) but i thought you said you would personally sort it??
the reply was off someone called Chris, hoping you can sort out a closer demo
thanks
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Oh dear Matthew,
A omnivac and diy one aren't that different in my eyes
I realise you have no idea what your talking about either.
Since the beginning of this topic you have slated the system and Glyn H and his company and now because your not getting your way you start on Matt? You are now showing an IPAF Logo and your not a member - Why not leave the grown up conversations to the adults and the people that like to discuss cleaning and its related subjects without hijacking threads that you obviously know nothing about ;)
Kev,
How the hell don't I know what I'm talking about.
Instead of pointing out the positives of your system you have put down diy guttervac's and praised how good Omnivac's and how it can make a bounty of riches over inferior diy setups. Yet to me it seriously looks like exactly the same machine?
You could of told us about the pole or glyn's 'special hose' but you didnt ???
So whats actually different about the Omnivac itself to the machine many other suppliers sell?
I personally think Mr H's one is overall a much better setup for height and lightness of pole.
I done my IPAF on the 8th of September!
You don't know what your talking about as you don't have any experience of ANY gutter cleaning machinery or tooling. You comments are without basis.
"yet it looks like the same machine" It isn't Omnivacs is greatly modified - Got it yet?
How can you say Mr H's is a better set up? have you seen it? used it? compared it to an Omnivac?
Mr H and I spent the day together to compare both systems, and the biggest thing we decided was the DIY machine lacks tooling and bore - therefore its inefficient when compared to the Omnivac. I cleaned 3/4 of a school while he did 1/4.
Mr H is still developing a copy of the Omnivac - Has the penny dropped yet Propole?
Mr H's pole is a carbon fibre pole and while the lightness would be an advantage at great height, its disadvantage is it will wear out!!! Omnivacs poles are not that heavy and perfectly useable up to 4 stories - most jobs are below this - Aluminum lasts! Still think carbon is a good idea for low standard work?
Did you know that rooted vegetation requires breaking up before the vacuum can remove it? A gutter spike is used for this purpose. Using a spike at 4 stories on a pole that wont snap or bend when you use it is the limiting factor due to weight. Most gutters that are cleaned are overgrown and need debris fragmentation. So a carbon fibre pole may be ideal for Vacuuming at 60 ft but how do you break up rooted material - I shall tell you - you cant unless you get up close and personal with a cherry picker etc. So what's the point of a super light vacuum pole if the limiting factor is the spike pole. If you used a spike on a carbon fibre pole it would break unless it was thick walled and then it would be as heavy if not more so than the aluminum powerpole.
Ok to show and use the IPAF logo you have to be a member. You are trained and certified but not a member. Give them a ring and you will see. Let them catch you using it and they will not be happy. Its a logo just like Ionics. You have to Pay to use it. You have not - you paid for a course.
I hope this is helping ;)
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I would refrain from questioning my knowledge in future especially about gutter cleaning!!
Mr H is a new user and your on it everyday, I don't see how his machine would make him any slower. He's got almost the same gear and a lighter pole.
The UpKeeper is the only and best purpose made guttervac in the Uk. I bet that would run hoops around your conveted hoover contraption.
I will look into tha about IPAF first thing in the morning.
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I would refrain from questioning my knowledge in future especially about gutter cleaning!!
Mr H is a new user and your on it everyday, I don't see how his machine would make him any slower. He's got almost the same gear and a lighter pole.
The UpKeeper is the only and best purpose made guttervac in the Uk. I bet that would run hoops around your conveted hoover contraption.
I will look into tha about IPAF first thing in the morning.
I dont really need to question you knowledge about gutter cleaning as you haven't really got a clue and you make its so obvious ;D
The Upkeeper is so underpowered its untrue. Good for domestic houses but that it, I trialled one long before they were imported here, but hey what would I know ;D
Its best not to speak for Mr H as he is a good friend of mine and frankly I prefer it when he speaks for himself as he doesn't speak out of his A ;)
IPAF - You do that ;)
Bored now ;)