Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Clive McDonald on September 22, 2008, 09:55:58 pm
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I've just got the Ionic's brochure posted to me, and what a great read, I feel like rushing out and buying one of their systems immediatly!
They explain things very clearly and I must say I can't argue with any of it. A brilliantly put together brochure and product range package.They even put systems into pre owned vans to reduce the price.They call this econosys and an example given is renault trafic with a fitted pro 6 600l reach and wash system plus bits and two days training for £13,182.
Not bad for a turnkey business.
A couple of bits i didn't understand though a pro 3 5 6 and 7 all come in 300 600 and 1000 litres, what's the difference say between a pro3 600l thermo pure and the same in a pro7?
This is a genuine post, I admire them very much for making their products so appealing and adding a bit of zest, please don't turn this into a knocking thread.
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I like the upkeeper in the brochure, but think they are way too pricey.
And I don't know what the difference in their systems is, I have a system that is alot cheaper!
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Exactly, they are a victim of there own success, there overheads have become silly so has the price tag.
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I have the brochure :P
The pro 7 is the green machine.. its uses 100% of the water through the RO unit.
pro 6 is the next best machine but the RO wastes 60%.
the pro 3 is for soft water areas, no need for salt and back washing, and no ro unit, just di.
Yeah i got 2 of those van and system brochures today.
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Pro 3 is resin only delivery system,pro 6 is regenerated waste water ro system.
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I would prefer a brand new van and a second hand system
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me too!!!
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and dont forget you can have a system for as little as 30pound a week,thats after neairly400quid deposit over 5years
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and dont forget you can have a system for as little as 30pound a week,thats after neairly400quid deposit over 5years
That's £8200 + vat I assume..... Now that is a lot of money for a system.......
Regards
MR H
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Well, im sure all that crash testing is rather expensive. Least you know for sure you'll be better off with an Ionic system than anything else out there, if you where to have a accident. :o
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Well, im sure all that crash testing is rather expensive. Least you know for sure you'll be better off with an Ionic system than anything else out there, if you where to have a accident. :o
As your new to this forum i will give you a leg up because this subject has been debated on here many times.
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Cheaper to get a bank loan and buy outright from Ionics than buy on their monthly payments
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if you noticed they never mentioned the runnig cost of that machines each of that color changes cost a lot of money and you have to replace them quite often big picture is it costs much more to run than the system itself
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Rip off.
There's nothing more to say.
£13k to clean windows?
Daft.
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Cheaper to get a bank loan and buy outright from Ionics than buy on their monthly payments
Thats if you can get a bank loan!
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Rip off.
There's nothing more to say.
£13k to clean windows?
Daft.
13k, what i've read on here thats only a weeks worth of work to some ::)
Don't forget if you have a bank loan for how ever much you need say over 3yrs and then in a years time you want to move house the mortgage company will take your payments for the loan and deduct it from your earnings, where as ionics go the lease to buy route that way it won't affect a mortgage loan. Also what ever you pay out on a system and fillters you off set against your tax anyway.
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I would prefer to work hard and save up enough money to buy new outright than throw my money away to a third party for allowing me to borrow their money to buy what I want. I saved up to buy my Ionics guttervac outright in one go rather than have it on the never, never. I appreciated it more because it was all bought and paid for when I came to use it so I didn't have a financial noose (commitment) around my neck.
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Rip off.
There's nothing more to say.
£13k to clean windows?
Daft.
13k, what i've read on here thats only a weeks worth of work to some ::)
Don't forget if you have a bank loan for how ever much you need say over 3yrs and then in a years time you want to move house the mortgage company will take your payments for the loan and deduct it from your earnings, where as ionics go the lee to buy route that way it won't affect a mortgage loan. Also what ever you pay out on a system and fillters you off set against your tax anyway.
Funny seeing you on here tonight just on the birth of the new brochure,some people just think we are all plain silly. ::)
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Rip off.
There's nothing more to say.
£13k to clean windows?
Daft.
couldnt agree more, not just daft, plain stupid if you ask me
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i tried their colur change di resin filter cost me £58 and it was shot in 2-3 weeks,i phoned them and they sent out another one foc and that lasted the same time,there own tech even said they dont work as well as the pressure vessels. great customer service but i wont be using there kit
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Rip off.
There's nothing more to say.
£13k to clean windows?
Daft.
13k, what i've read on here thats only a weeks worth of work to some ::)
Don't forget if you have a bank loan for how ever much you need say over 3yrs and then in a years time you want to move house the mortgage company will take your payments for the loan and deduct it from your earnings, where as ionics go the lee to buy route that way it won't affect a mortgage loan. Also what ever you pay out on a system and fillters you off set against your tax anyway.
Funny seeing you on here tonight just on the birth of the new brochure,some people just think we are all plain silly. ::)
1, Like i said before i only write about what i know, i have a pro 5 system and pay monthly end of. :-*
2, My name is Anthony Butt, before i was H20 i was B & B Property Services (not Ionics)
3, I live in Worcester & work the surrounding areas ie, " Tirley,Wyre Piddle, Pershore,Pinvin, Bishampton etc Where one day i might meet Wally.
4, I don't think you are plain silly, just ignorant & plain stupid.
Why do you make it so hard for people on here who aren't part of your brown nose gang. If you would like to meet up with me my e-mail address is waterbutt1@googlemail.com.
Again i reply to a post in a decent and helpful manor and this is what you get, i read this forum every night and as said before only post about things i know.
The sad thing is i now have no interest in helping other wc's as no one would be interested in how long my fillers last, different ways to make your system run better etc etc,
The only thing that makes feel better is i no longer have waste my time on here ;D
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4, I don't think you are plain silly, just ignorant & plain stupid.
Why do you make it so hard for people on here who aren't part of your brown nose gang. If you would like to meet up with me my e-mail address is waterbutt1@googlemail.com.
Again i reply to a post in a decent and helpful manor and this is what you get, i read this forum every night and as said before only post about things i know.
The sad thing is i now have no interest in helping other wc's as no one would be interested in how long my fillers last, different ways to make your system run better etc etc,
The only thing that makes feel better is i no longer have waste my time on here ;D
Me thinks your a fruitcake looking for a scrap youngin ;D :P :D ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hi
I do not post often.just sit on the fence, taken some good advice from this forum also read aload of b******s to. Pure H20 post is valid, why is it that people start to slag off posts like this?
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4, I don't think you are plain silly, just ignorant & plain stupid.
Why do you make it so hard for people on here who aren't part of your brown nose gang. If you would like to meet up with me my e-mail address is waterbutt1@googlemail.com.
Again i reply to a post in a decent and helpful manor and this is what you get, i read this forum every night and as said before only post about things i know.
The sad thing is i now have no interest in helping other wc's as no one would be interested in how long my fillers last, different ways to make your system run better etc etc,
The only thing that makes feel better is i no longer have waste my time on here ;D
Me thinks your a fruitcake looking for a scrap youngin ;D :P :D ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Why only put part of the quote in ??? Not looking for a scrap the e-mail address is there to prove who i am.
The problem i now have is even you Roger are as bad as the others and proves what a waste of time you all are,
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4, I don't think you are plain silly, just ignorant & plain stupid.
Why do you make it so hard for people on here who aren't part of your brown nose gang. If you would like to meet up with me my e-mail address is waterbutt1@googlemail.com.
Again i reply to a post in a decent and helpful manor and this is what you get, i read this forum every night and as said before only post about things i know.
The sad thing is i now have no interest in helping other wc's as no one would be interested in how long my fillers last, different ways to make your system run better etc etc,
The only thing that makes feel better is i no longer have waste my time on here ;D
Me thinks your a fruitcake looking for a scrap youngin ;D :P :D ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Why only put part of the quote in ??? Not looking for a scrap the e-mail address is there to prove who i am.
The problem i now have is even you Roger are as bad as the others and proves what a waste of time you all are,
Dont be so touchy just kidding you fella, Sorry if i upset you. :-[
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an example given is renault trafic with a fitted pro 6 600l reach and wash system plus bits and two days training for £13,182.
Not bad for a turnkey business.
How is it a turn-key business? So you've an over-priced system... where's you're customers?
Oh, you've got to go and get them! Not exactly turn-key is it?
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A turn-key business is either a prison officer or a clock winder. ;D
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an example given is renault trafic with a fitted pro 6 600l reach and wash system plus bits and two days training for £13,182.
Not bad for a turnkey business.
where's you're customers?
Oh, you've got to go and get them! Not exactly turn-key is it?
Sounds like a window cleaning business to me :P
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Why waste your money, you can get a perfectly good system which does exactly the same job for a fraction of the price!!! ;)
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whats the fuss about?
Ionics have products - they can charge whatever they like for their product. Big businesses like the fact that they can call Ionics, have a system fitted with the FMVS paperwork - it keeps insurers happy, this is the main market for Ionics and Brodex, if you don't want to spend big then don't but don't ridicule someone who does.
I spent £1500 on graphics for one van - does it mean I'm an idiot? No, I can afford to do it, I WANTED to do it and it has turned out to be a sound investment.
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whats the fuss about?
Ionics have products - they can charge whatever they like for their product. Big businesses like the fact that they can call Ionics, have a system fitted with the FMVS paperwork - it keeps insurers happy, this is the main market for Ionics and Brodex, if you don't want to spend big then don't but don't ridicule someone who does.
I spent £1500 on graphics for one van - does it mean I'm an idiot? No, I can afford to do it, I WANTED to do it and it has turned out to be a sound investment.
WHHHHHAAAATTTTT £1500 i got a full colour wrap around for £800 i sincerely hope there is some gold leaf in your graphics for that price. ::)
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whats the fuss about?
Ionics have products - they can charge whatever they like for their product. Big businesses like the fact that they can call Ionics, have a system fitted with the FMVS paperwork - it keeps insurers happy, this is the main market for Ionics and Brodex, if you don't want to spend big then don't but don't ridicule someone who does.
I spent £1500 on graphics for one van - does it mean I'm an idiot? No, I can afford to do it, I WANTED to do it and it has turned out to be a sound investment.
WHHHHHAAAATTTTT £1500 i got a full colour wrap around for £800 i sincerely hope there is some gold leaf in your graphics for that price. ::)
Yes bulldog graffix is expensive, but the thing is you get it done the same time as you get the machine. If you get it done separately once you have you system, your van is off the road for another day while you could be earning or drumming up more business.
Yes it costs more, but it could cost you less in the long run. It really depends on what you prefer to do.
Were all individuals here with different goals in life. Making or saving money is not everyones primary goal. Weather you earn 200k or 12k a year, so long as you are happy, thats all that counts.
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Roger
It glows in the dark and reflects in different colours in car headlights.
The van is so well known, meaning my business is really well known.
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Tosh ;D well spotted....
The thing is it doesn't matter if any of us think they are overpriced, their systems have become modern day style icons.What's the best drink? coca cola, Best car? ferrari, most aspired to wc system? reach and wash of course....
The business model they describe works. People have spent pots on their systems and made pots of money back too. Their technology is in front of anyone else's, and the marketing is superb.
There have been enought threads on here about being 'only a window cleaner' and low self esteem issues. Many have commented that the general public don't see us in a good light, or certainly not a successfull light anyway.But this isn't so with Ionics, they are seen as a vibrant successfull company that oozes confident know how. Other people are successfull too of course, but not many can do it with their style.
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well said discount.
I'm not saying to go out and buy an Ionics system, but there is a definite correlation between those who do buy an Ionics system and those who do well in business, seems to be that the ones who invest money in equipment, marketing etc are the ones who do well - probably because these are the ones who have spent say £10k and know that they need to make the money back.
just my thoughts
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Spending 10k on a WFP system is not what will make you money and that`s a fact,it`s all down to the person.If i pay £200 a month for my mortgage and the bloke next door pays £1200 who`s winning,it ain`t the 1 that`s laying out the most money each month i know that,if you use your loaf your do just as well.
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Yes,well remember the credit crunch has not started yet,they want to hook in as many people as possible,they are over priced but like the idea of the hot water system for winter :D
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Dont be so touchy just kidding you fella, Sorry if i upset you. :-[
Roger please also except my apology, i was just getting fed up with the witch hunt.
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This is really ironic it must be an ionic thread lol. ;D ;D ;D
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The thing is it doesn't matter if any of us think they are overpriced, their systems have become modern day style icons.What's the best drink? coca cola
personally i hate all cola's, i love mountain dew as a drink
so i have to disagree with you