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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul mc on August 05, 2008, 06:42:59 pm
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i have devised a method for reeling in the hose using a motor. does anyone use such a device or be interested in buying one. i might try an develop this idea if people are interested. it really makes life alot easier. any replys would be appreciated
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I'll take 2!
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Would be interested but price would be the major factor - any ideas what you would retail it at?
Chris
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i have devised a method for reeling in the hose using a motor. does anyone use such a device or be interested in buying one. i might try an develop this idea if people are interested. it really makes life alot easier. any replys would be appreciated
Que Discount.....................................
He uses a handheld drill on his reels it works for him and I am sure he will reply to this topic
Ian
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i keep saying i am going to fit a small bike cog where handle is then have a larger one higher up the reel with a chain linking them this way you are stood up to reel the hose in and it is geared like on a bike so for every turn with hand reel goes round twice. trouble is i am always too busy to get round to doing it.
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Would be interested but price would be the major factor - any ideas what you would retail it at?
Chris
havin a clue how much to charge? would need to source out all the items used.
only got it set up in the last few days so needs a bit of time to see full effect of its use.
be intrested to see if many of the wfp men on here would want one
it is definately not a handheld drill
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i would be interested depending on price.
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I would be interested. as well, subject to cost.
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i too have thought of this .i would have thought a winch would be the way to go .this is the next step in wfp ,whoever gets there first, and all that .
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I use a drill WW, but it's not hand held. I gave up trying to convert you all and I am sure many are content to remain hand crankers and i am content to let them. As Paul says it is so much easier but each to their own.
Lately I have been developing the hose tidy idea (the idea that clean pole hose that is kept off the floor maintains the pole in perfect condition for longer and cuts down on tangles). The previous solution that I posted a photo of (an electrical flex spool attached to the end of the reel hose) did have drawbacks such as a small time element and a tendency to introducing twisting into the hose.
The eventual solution, now that i have cracked it, seems obvious.(it's also quite brilliant). Like Paul Mc I am wondering if there is an commercial mileage in this. I thought about asking slipnslide,or alex, or andrew if they were interested. I don't expect I would make any money, and it's not something you could patent, but there would be a certain satisfaction in seeing one of my solutions go mainstream.
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I am sure many are content to remain hand crankers and i am content to let them.
That way you don't have to cook her breakfast ;)
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hi discount. this idea of mine makes life so easier. i have the hose sitin on shelf in van roughly shoulder level. it easier to reel out hose as well at this height. when hose is reeling in i stand and feed it through towel to keep clean. i can adjust the speed as well. if anyone wants to give me their email i will pass on information on costs etc when i know more myself. i would like to put up pictures but i dont want it copied.
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Saw some cops diving for a body on the news tonight, one of them had a hose reel mounted on his back. It looked like gas pipe but i expect it was some kind of air-line.
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I use a drill WW, but it's not hand held. I gave up trying to convert you all and I am sure many are content to remain hand crankers and i am content to let them.
I did not post that to slate you more to read what you write fella, I am interested in this topic and I know full well you are ::)
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That sounds really good Paul, like you mine is mounted shoulder height above the tank, and like you I use a towel on winding in. I/ we looked at guidance mechanisms (they are available) but I found like you this is as good a way as an any. To start with i used a drill with a direct socket driver to a deep 22m socket with a two speed drill on the slower speed,(having removed the winding handle) then to address the snatching issue I put a dog leg clutch into the drive.
WW, I was just joking.
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I've been struggling with the pole hose tidy thing for a little while now, and I can't really think of anything, yea sure the purefreedom thing that you stick on the pole, but that takes too long, and it just irritating. It's driving me mad. Please let me know when you are ready to share Discount, I know people have giving you a hard time over things, but I always look forward to hearing your ideas about new things.
Thanks.
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This is going to sound really stupid, but it is the answer both in practical terms( it works, takes no time up, releases quickly when you need the hose to extend the pole, and doesn't introduce kinks or twists into the hose) and is also a very elegant mathematical solution. I will probably have to post a photo but I will try and explain.
Get some plastic pipe, say inche and half diameter, four inches long. You need three bits, tape them together like a honeycombe and tape this on the reel hose near the hose tap. What you do is work on loops.
When you have a lot of excess pole hose you put one loop down one pipe, and another down the second, and any remaining down the third. This hangs down in three loops loose by the side of your body as you work. It is a very fast method of either securing the pole hose off the ground or releasing it quickly. No twisting is introduced and no tangles ensue.
My idea for a product would be to have a harness and the honeycombe attachment as a perfect van mount working solution.
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i once saw this chap who stays near me in the park exercising his grayhound dog he had this weird contraption he made up that wound the rope up with the fluffy thing on the end of it, am sure it was an old alternator from a car, just thought i would give you this idea, you can buy them ready made on the internet
like this machine
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How do fire hoses rewind - the sort you see on factory walls? Are they spring loaded? Could a reel be tensioned like a seat belt then maybe a short tug on the hose would bring the tension back on to rewind?
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What about a simple electric winch attached by some means to the hosereel spindle?
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how much would any guys be prepared to pay for such device. on another note have a job which is four storeys high. what length of pole would i need and any1 know roughly how mch it would cost
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Hi Guys,
In my past life, I was production manager for a company that made reels.
we made one for the MOD for their carriers, it went on the side of the ship to communicate to the pilots, it had a spring inside, with a locking gog, it went out 75ft, all made of S/Steel,
Gazza
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This is it
Gazza
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This is it
Gazza
Very nice Gazza!
Questions -
what does it weigh?
how much?
how much power does it draw?
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This is it
Gazza,
One more thing.....
Any chance of posting up a youtube video of it in action?
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David,
It needs no power! you just pull and wind up a spring inside,
it has a self lock,
Then pull and it will wind up under pressure from sprig.
it will last forever, all S/Steel
the down side, it will cost around £750
Gazza
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if its designed to take 75foot of hose,would it still work if there was 200 foot of hose on that same reel
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No, it will only take around 100ft
Gazza
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You talk about this as if it can't be done. I and others use an electric reel every day and for every job and we've been doing it for months.
The big benefit for me is that it makes the job easier. The only ceiling on my earnings is what i am physicaly capable of. I find the work hard and I get tired, so this little helper that doesn't need paying but whizzzes the hose in without any effort on my part has become a good friend.
My Drill is a good one- in fact Matt laughed when he saw what I was using it for and said that a cheap B&Q jobbie would do exactly the same thing and could also be wired up directly to the leisure battery. I'm not very technical and not that good a DIY, but the point is that this method has worked perfectly for me since the very first day.
Can I take my reel out of the van and use it via remote control? No. And even if I could I wouldn't want to lift a reel in and out on every job.That's just stupid.And as for remote control i'm not sure how safe that would be. To use an electic reel you've got have proper hose disipline if you want it to work well, safely, and avoid tangles. You walk out with the hose, and upon completion you walk back to the van with it and then when the pole and tap etc is back on board you wind in.
Some of the comments on what people are prepared to spend have been a bit silly. The guy saying £75 yes, £150 no,
well for a start a standard reel costs more than £150. A certain supplier who shall remain nameless who still uses hoselock reels in some of his vehicles always puts up a rolls royce type reel as being the best but this has no connection with motorised reels.
My estimate is that the electric reel saves about twenty five minutes every day and leaves the operator a lot less tired. How much is that worth?
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I wasn't taking offence. There are some motorised reels on the market circa £600 but no one that I know of has used one for this application.To get a guidance system at the front would be extra and quite a bit extra.Also I'm not sure how fast they are, my reel is very fast.
I can't do anything about getting the reel off the van, but if you are prepared to fix it on the van, all you do is take the handle off and drive it with a drill.
I think lifting a reel on and off is stupid, that's not the same as saying you or anyone else is stupid. Cleantech list 100m minibore on reel £163 inc vat.
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wcw £126 inc vat and del.
i would prefer a reel outside van
but if it was £150 and self contained i would think that was more than reasonable,cheap even
doubt very much tht anyone could do em for that price tho
at least not until plenty had been sold
still not convinced about how useful it would be
mind you i never realised how much difference a van mount tank would make
so who knows
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I wasn't taking offence. There are some motorised reels on the market circa £600 but no one that I know of has used one for this application.To get a guidance system at the front would be extra and quite a bit extra.Also I'm not sure how fast they are, my reel is very fast.
I can't do anything about getting the reel off the van, but if you are prepared to fix it on the van, all you do is take the handle off and drive it with a drill.
I think lifting a reel on and off is stupid, that's not the same as saying you or anyone else is stupid. Cleantech list 100m minibore on reel £163 inc vat.
Clive why do you sday it is stupid to take the reel out ? I do this and can put the reel in the direction where I want to go something if van mounted you cant as far as I am aware, I have tried the reel inside and it was a bit of a nightmare to be honest.
Your view please on this
Ian.
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got to agree with ian
i can put the reel outside of either side door or at the rear
and because of fiats great panel fit ::)
close em without restricting flow
much more versatile imo
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thats a shame coz i was going to buy this one on ebay 280251716692
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hi guys looked at a few websites to source out products. if i could sell it at £150 without reel i would be reasonably happy .will try get video up of it working if i can. i take your point about being able to set the reel outside the van but i find there it easier this way. i no alot of wfp men would be interested if only to save time an energy reelin in hose.
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I hope it hasn't come across that I'm sticking up for my system. It's simple and it works very well, but it does involve mounting it on the van. If I put a video up you would be surprised. I think I've said this before but anyone who has seen it in action gives it a show stopper reaction.
To make my or anyone else's system work off the van is a lot more involved. There has to be a guidance system feeding in because a towel feed won't do(you just blew your £150 budget right there), and there would need to be power and control mechanisms so that you did not need to bend down.
Were you to get the product you want in my opinion it's value to your business would be £1,000 plus. It's very like having a hot system, once you have used one you will never ever go back to the old way.
As regards Ian asking about problems from the reel being fixed on the van, I park at the most appropriate angle I can ,open the side door, grab the shoulder harness and pole and walk away. The brush hits the glass in under twenty seconds of my arrival.
Every day I have about five and a half hours to hit a two-er, I'm 53yrs old and overweight so how else am I going to do it? I keep saying that I find the work hard, and I do, so I am prepared to invest in anything that will make the job either easier or quicker -for me-.
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I have read the various notes comments but am still not clear as to who, if anyone, is selling, or prepared to sell, some form of automation for winding the hose in at the end of the job.
A comment has been made as to how much time, over the whole day, can be saved - absolutely spot on as is the comment as to reduced effort.
I am interested in seeing and potentially buying a system - any offers?
JD
07973 174759
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hi jdp i have the product for reeling in hose very easily. i have not finalised it a few things on the desighn front but will call u when its sorted.
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You are asking quite a difficult technical question almost impossible DIY and unclear whether whats available commercially is suitable for us or not. Are you going to be the one to spend £600 to find out?
If you want to use a drill you need a two speed drill and must use it on the lowest speed setting. You can get a socket driver and a deep 22m socket from screwfix. Remove the winding handle from the reel and the socket fits over it. Do not try to hold the drill yourself it must be resting on something. An upturned bucket will do. Allow the hose to return by holding it in a damp towel.
Some people find that this snatches and because of this I have introduced a dog leg clutch into the drive. This works the same way as a starting handle for a car used to work.
Maybe I should sell the clutches and then you could use any motor you like.They are very simple, but they are not an off the shelf item.
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well lads finally got video of hose geting reeled in not sure if this video will work. if anyone knows how to put the video on the forum any help would be appreciated. the video was taken at night and at a bad angle but u wil see that 100 metres of house is reeled in just over a minute
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thanks jewel have to set up account before i can upload video will do so asap
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eventually got video uploaded hopefully u all can see the basics of my idea an how easy it makes life at workhttp
://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
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uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA)
^ Here that makes it easier.
That looks great Paul, how does it work? Or do you want to keep that under wraps for now? :)
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hi tim its a great tool. sort of thinkin of tryin to sell this idea if possible. i am in process of tryin to design this product. the way i hav it set up is very diy. it really makes life so easy i just stand there an feed hose through a towel to clean it while it is being reeled inn
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Yes liked it, yours doesn't drive the spindle as mine does. Presumably it's some kind of wheel pressed against the riim of the reel. Mine is faster and has more control, and the clutch to stop jerking. But of course if you had a lead with a switch this would give better control.
Yours is better than mine in the sence that you don't have to alter the reel in any way (I have to remove the handle).
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eventually got video uploaded hopefully u all can see the basics of my idea an how easy it makes life at workhttp
://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
Impressive!
I like the idea of that.
You'll be at the next Windex with a little stall selling these reels for a pretty penny I reckon!
Was that 100 metres reeled in?
If you could add one of those remote control fobs as well, it would be ace.
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eventually got video uploaded hopefully u all can see the basics of my idea an how easy it makes life at workhttp
://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
Impressive!
I like the idea of that.
You'll be at the next Windex with a little stall selling these reels for a pretty penny I reckon!
Was that 100 metres reeled in?
If you could add one of those remote control fobs as well, it would be ace.
yeh it was 100metres reeled in in a minute. there is a switch to increase or decrease the speed. not sure bout remote controls but its sumthing to look into. cant see me at windex yet 8) more like dell boy at a car boot sale. how much would it be worth to sell?
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Yes liked it, yours doesn't drive the spindle as mine does. Presumably it's some kind of wheel pressed against the riim of the reel. Mine is faster and has more control, and the clutch to stop jerking. But of course if you had a lead with a switch this would give better control.
Yours is better than mine in the sence that you don't have to alter the reel in any way (I have to remove the handle).
hi discount mine had a bit of work to do to make it work. if i was to sell this product alot more work is needed to make it easy to attach to hose.hav u a video of yours goin tink i remember seein picture of it
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eventually got video uploaded hopefully u all can see the basics of my idea an how easy it makes life at workhttp
://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
Impressed with that.
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eventually got video uploaded hopefully u all can see the basics of my idea an how easy it makes life at workhttp
://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
Impressive!
I like the idea of that.
You'll be at the next Windex with a little stall selling these reels for a pretty penny I reckon!
Was that 100 metres reeled in?
If you could add one of those remote control fobs as well, it would be ace.
yeh it was 100metres reeled in in a minute. there is a switch to increase or decrease the speed. not sure bout remote controls but its sumthing to look into. cant see me at windex yet 8) more like dell boy at a car boot sale. how much would it be worth to sell?
Well, I'd have to see it close up.
I'd also want to be able to add it to my own reel, which I bought recently.
I'm probably not going to be your best customer at the moment though, as I haven't got my tank fitted yet, so still a 'barrel boy!'
What do you reckon it would cost though?
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The simplest way that i could see would be to drive a small tyre that is hard up against the rim of the reel this would work for pretty much everyones reel.The switch should be on a lead, in the case of your van I would want the switch mounted on the bulkhead behind where the drivers head would be.
This doesn't sound too difficult does it. Source the motors and bits of wires ect. I suggest a selling price of £150. Get more than four on here to sign up and send you a deposit then have a go.
You know as well as i do that once they have it the job is transformed and they will consider the money well spent and recomend you.
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eventually got video uploaded hopefully u all can see the basics of my idea an how easy it makes life at workhttp
://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
Impressive!
I like the idea of that.
You'll be at the next Windex with a little stall selling these reels for a pretty penny I reckon!
Was that 100 metres reeled in?
If you could add one of those remote control fobs as well, it would be ace.
yeh it was 100metres reeled in in a minute. there is a switch to increase or decrease the speed. not sure bout remote controls but its sumthing to look into. cant see me at windex yet 8) more like dell boy at a car boot sale. how much would it be worth to sell?
Well, I'd have to see it close up.
I'd also want to be able to add it to my own reel, which I bought recently.
I'm probably not going to be your best customer at the moment though, as I haven't got my tank fitted yet, so still a 'barrel boy!'
What do you reckon it would cost though?
i had to make a few adjustments to my reel. i am tryin to make it so that the buyer doesin hav to do as much work. still not sure what i would charge prob round the £100-£125 mark but for that it would need to be good quality product.
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The 1 on youtube looks like it could be using a devise such as a tool sharpening motor that just sits static on a work bench.
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;D I thought he'd just played the film backwards.
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Ok, without giving your idea away, what power is the motor that is used?
Is it 12volt, and what is the amperage?
Would it be a case of one reel in in the morning, and you've sapped your battery for the rest of the day for the pump etc?
Jay.
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I've been using an electric reel every day for every job for about six months. My batteries are drill batteries but it wouldn't drain a leisure battery at all.
If it didn't work we wouldn't keep on about it, when I first did it I was amazed at the difference it made and was sure that loads would follow me in, but they didn't. Some even now take the pee, but all I know is everyone who actually sees it wants one.
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I am convinced they would really make a big difference,you do notice the strain from time to time on your arms and joints.It needs to look like part of your kit though,i`ve tried the drill and on it`s own it dosen`t really work it puts strain on your wrist.I would think that it`s simple for an engineer etc to build,and done properly would make a huge difference to your working day.
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Im really going to take some stick now i know...
but it is not hard reeling the hose in... come on guys.. is it?
its the same as pulling it out.. only your arm is working in a different way.
what about thinking of something that makes life much easier whilst working...
like a pole that extends with the press of a button.... or a brush that pumps up and down with the flick of a switch....
i know we are all striving to make thoings easier.... but reeling a hose in .. well its a little exercise. and a doddle..
wait for it.... ;)
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Im really going to take some stick now i know...
but it is not hard reeling the hose in... come on guys.. is it?
its the same as pulling it out.. only your arm is working in a different way.
what about thinking of something that makes life much easier whilst working...
like a pole that extends with the press of a button.... or a brush that pumps up and down with the flick of a switch....
i know we are all striving to make things easier.... but reeling a hose in .. well its a little exercise. and a doddle..
wait for it.... ;)
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It`s another thing you don`t have to do and all these things make your day easier,it`s not just 1 thing it`s a combination of pulling and pushing that put un needed strain on you.Why do it if you don`t have to,i would be prepared to pay upwards of £500 for a good 1 that really did work at the same rate that i can reel in by hand or quicker.
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Ok, without giving your idea away, what power is the motor that is used?
Is it 12volt, and what is the amperage?
Would it be a case of one reel in in the morning, and you've sapped your battery for the rest of the day for the pump etc?
Jay.
i run it off a 12v battery and by no means does it drain the battery. i usually charge battery every couple of days depending on usage.not sure of amperage. dont want to give secret away jay as u say
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There’s obviously a strong interest and probably a big enough paying market for this.
Hope you can bring it to the market, I would give it a try and I know at least one other who will definitely buy one to try as well.
Good luck
thanks ewan at the minute i would not try an sell one like i use but def goin to develop the idea. it would be no good if i sold u product which was hard for u to attach to your own reel. a wee bit of work is needed bot i will def let u know about it
It`s another thing you don`t have to do and all these things make your day easier,it`s not just 1 thing it`s a combination of pulling and pushing that put un needed strain on you.Why do it if you don`t have to,i would be prepared to pay upwards of £500 for a good 1 that really did work at the same rate that i can reel in by hand or quicker.
£500 :-* :-* :-*
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It would have to be a patented quality product,i wouldn`t pay that sort of money for something put together in a shed.
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It would have to be a patented quality product,i wouldn`t pay that sort of money for something put together in a shed.
yeh i understand i hopefully will be fit to design this product to highest quality. my own is as u say put together in the shed but it still works 100%.
is there anywhere u can buy spare parts for the reel own its own?
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It would have to be a patented quality product,i wouldn`t pay that sort of money for something put together in a shed.
yeh i understand i hopefully will be fit to design this product to highest quality. my own is as u say put together in the shed but it still works 100%.
is there anywhere u can buy spare parts for the reel own its own?
Gardiner pole systems do some.
www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Hose_Reels.html (http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Hose_Reels.html)
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hi guys
im interested in a motorised reel and have been toying with setting something up but couldnt source the right kit. can i ask whoever had the you tube video to contact me.
im quite happy to have a diy version in my van from what i saw it wound up the hose....job done i want one
call me on 0781-2245580 or email on jefftemperley@gmail.com im quite happy to do the work of fitting it just really need to know what motor to use and what switching gear.
cheers
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hi guys
im interested in a motorised reel and have been toying with setting something up but couldnt source the right kit. can i ask whoever had the you tube video to contact me.
im quite happy to have a diy version in my van from what i saw it wound up the hose....job done i want one
call me on 0781-2245580 or email on jefftemperley@gmail.com im quite happy to do the work of fitting it just really need to know what motor to use and what switching gear.
cheers
hi jeff got your message on youtube.
Thanks for comliments would really like to tell you how it works but that would give my secret away. when i have it up an running properly you will be the first i contact
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Paul
you are not going to be able to develop this as a proper product, and many on here could find a way to do it if they wanted too. You might as well tell him, even if it is via email. He might come up with something that could help you.
If I thought it was viable I would try and sell the clutches for the spindle but no one's that interested that I can see.
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Discount
Im definately interested in the clutchs for the spindle, please let me know where to get em.
i have a motor and the speed controller sorted but im having nightmare dealing with bearing companies trying to find the right solution.
once i have that sorted i can start rigging something up
appreciate any direction you can point me in
nb paul i understand you need to be cagey so ive gone ahead with having ago myself good luck with your project
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If you patent it it will have to have 1 thing even if it`s something silly to make it unique otherwise it will get copied,there are electric reels out there don`t forget.
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im not worried about selling them i just want a motor to do the reeling in for me at work! but not at £800 +
Discount
id be interested to see a pic of how you rigged up your drill with the clutch....... save me a bit of head scratching!
cheers
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im not worried about selling them i just want a motor to do the reeling in for me at work! but not at £800 +
Discount
id be interested to see a pic of how you rigged up your drill with the clutch....... save me a bit of head scratching!
cheers
You need to take off the handle and you will need to get a part from scewfix for holding the nut in place in the drill.
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dont mind what i have to buy to make it work! shame paul didnt sell me what he has. ive done £100+ so far!
just need that dogleg clutch.............. i think
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Just an idea. Use a hosereel with bearings fitted (i.e.Ionics has bearings fitted on spindles same as redashe hosereels) Attach a cam belt, pulley belt, washing machine belt, etc and attach it to a 12volt (car) motor of some kind with a variable speed reducing on/off switch. Write off to Scrapheap challenge asking if they can get their eccentric boffins to come up with a stupid idea ;D