Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike 108 on May 18, 2008, 12:34:39 pm
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I have taken advice from Pete and changed from pencil jets to fan jets in my brushes. My first impressions are that they do a much better job (wetting the glass better during cleaning and rinsing the glass better as well – especially on ‘phobic’ glass).
I have taken advice from macmac and moved the jets from their original position so that they are now only 2” from each end of the brush (This involved removing 6 tufts of bristles - 3 on each side – from the centre row). This has enabled the resultant water spray to cover the full width of the brush. I think it has made the washing and rinsing even better.
I then read that M-CLEAN improvised an ‘over-the-brush’ fan spray years ago.
I’ve also just watched the video of Aquatec’s AUTOBRUSH which appears to show it having a fantastic ‘over-the-brush’ spray.
‘Over-the-brush’ sprays have got to be the answer to anyone’s concerns about rinsing – whether ‘on’ the glass or ‘off’.
Does anyone manufacture a brush already fitted with ‘over-the-brush’ jets (fan or pencil)?
Has anyone improvised one?
Can the AUTOBRUSH be used/adapted/manufactured without the switch assembly so that it still operates as an ‘over-the-brush’ spray but with water flow controlled by a trigger assembly on the pole?
(I obviously need to give Aquatec a ring)
Anyone?
Mike
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The simple answer is that what you are describing is everything that our adapted brushes are.
I will take a photo later and send it to a willing " uploader" as I cannot upload photos
Rob ;D
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Thanks Rob
Mike
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Sorry to but in, One of mine is an Autobrush fitted on the bottom and 4 jets Ott. All my others have been Ott for 10 years - but pencils for rinsing on.Nobody makes them except yourself.
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Jeff
Am I wrong about Aquatec, then? Sorry if I've got them mixed up with you.
Not quite sure what you mean when you say "One of mine is an Autobrush fitted on the bottom and 4 jets Ott" Can you direct me to a link for a picture/specification?
Also - "Nobody makes them except yourself" Does this mean that you have made them for your own use but that you do not manufacture for retail?
Thanks
Mike
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Is there anyone that can upload a couple of photos onto this topic for me
;D
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ill give it a go jaykie@hotmail.com
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Give me a few minutes
Rob ;D
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I'll see if i ca ;Dn send them to both of you
Rob
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You should both be getting them - who will post them first!!!!!!!
Rob ;D
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There are four photos in total.
I took 2 pictures of a brass assembly and two photos on a downstairs brush - plastic assembly. I think it was about 45000kbs???
Rob ;D
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Maybe a bit more then!! ::) ::)
Rob ;D
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And while making dinner and pudding
Chris
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Nothing like a bit of healthy competition.
Many thanks guys
Rob ;D
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Facebook does my head in as i got nothing bloody emails saying people have written on my fun wall etc.
Chris
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windowwahers i put your company name in facebook just to see if thats what u used and it took me to this lol
www.facebook.com/s.php?q=windowwashers&init=q
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Just a bit of history on the two different assemblies.
The brass fan spray is off a 6 year old carpet cleaning wand and has been on a heckuva lot of brushes in the last four years.
The plastic ones similarly have seen life on a lot more than one brush so they are starting to look a bit tired.
When against the glass they may over spray sideways (but that doesn't matter - there is not a massive amount of overspray).
When you are spraying near the top of the glass and brick it is all about technique. We never had a problem with overspray - even at 15 metres!!
Rob ;D
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And just to add that both assemblies throw out a very thin fan spray that when on the glass is the width of the brush head. Much easier to mange than you might think
Rob ;D
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so what is the advantage of having an over the brush spray?
i just got an auto brush and it is the first time I had fan jets. I seem to think i need more water presure to get a good spray, also it dont always go right to the edges of windows on r hand side, though the l hand side does, but i put that down to the assembly with the l hand jets getting the easier path for water supply
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What`s the advantage,none at all.They were designed for commercial buildings with huge panes of glass,i wouldn`t use an overhead jet for domestic.
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We also used these assemblies on our residential workload - some 600 customers every month for a four year period had their windows cleaned with the same brushes that we used on our commercial work.
In my opinion at whatever height you are working you know that with a good flow rate that the last thing to touch the glass because of where the water is fed from - will be 100% pure water.
I still cannot see how a brush that may hold impurity in its bristles can do as good as our assembly because when we rinse we never pull the brush over the glass we are rinsing.
Rob ;D
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In my opinion at whatever height you are working you know that with a good flow rate that the last thing to touch the glass because of where the water is fed from - will be 100% pure water.
I still cannot see how a brush that may hold impurity in its bristles can do as good as our assembly because when we rinse we never pull the brush over the glass we are rinsing.
Rob ;D
Neither could I if indeed the brush did hold impurities in the bristles, but it dosn't. Everything is being constantly washed off the glass AND the bristles as you work.
Apart from the disadvantages on overhead sprays that I have already mentioned, unless you are doing a downward stroke all the way down from the top of the glass to the bottom, then you are still moving dirt about with your brush. Watch what your brush is doing the next time it's on the glass, and you will find that a spray above the brush is, as you put it still holding impurities in it's bristles, so will be spreading the impurities to parts of the glass the the overhead spray has already been.
I think you will find that the overhead spray is working much the same way as the fan through the brush, as far as the cleaning, or keeping the brush clean is concerned. You are still going to get problems if the brush dosn't allow the water and contaminants to pass through the bristles and make it's way to the bottom of the glass.
The fact being and the point I am trying to make is, the bristles are being kept clean during normal use, just the same as the glass is, and whether the water is coming from the overhead spray or inside the brush makes no difference. And if you use an overhead spray instead of a fan through the brush you are going to have to deal with extra problems. Well that's the way I see it anyway.
Peter
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I think we will agree to disagree.
I have mentioned technique and I can assure you that our technique was to never pull a brush over an area of glass that had already been rinsed.
How will a brush that gets clogged with spiders webs, nests and other detritus self clean itself quickly enough to not drag all of that over the rest of the window.
I have used both methods and with serious thought on any adjustments made to our working practises - at all levels of our work I can conclude (in my opinion and from a detailed knowledge) that over all over the brush fan sprays used with the right technique will clean better than a through the brush methodology.
Rob ;D
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I think we will agree to disagree.
It looks like your right Rob, we will just have to agree to disagree.
I have used both methods and with serious thought on any adjustments made to our working practises - at all levels of our work I can conclude (in my opinion and from a detailed knowledge) that over all over the brush fan sprays used with the right technique will clean better than a through the brush methodology.
Rob ;D
I have also used both methods Rob, and as far as all the spiders stuff is concerned I have already explained all that in depth on the other thread about rinsing.
Discussing the same thing on two separated threads is annoying, and harder to quote etc
Peter
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No overhead spray for me, couldn't imagine anything worse!
It's probably technique you need to work on mike if your having any probs. I dont use fans because of my method (i dont clean top frames) so i have total control of the flow & where it goes. Fans tend to splash more & so tend to put water where i dont want it, that's all. ;).
Tony
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M-CLEAN
Thanks for the pictures.
Tony
I haven't yet decided on the 'over-the-brush' spray - but my first impressions on my new 'within-the-brush' spray are that it will work well.
Yes, fan jets do splash more if the brush is lifted off the glass - but if the brush is left on the glass I'm thinking that it won't be a problem.
And the fact that the fan jets are spraying the glass along the full width of the brush (up to the outermost bristles) should give better wetting and rinsing capabilities (in theory)
Anyway, I'll find out tomrrow.
Mike