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Title: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: s.hughes on February 29, 2008, 08:48:16 am
I've noticed that with a fan jet it fans the whole brush where as the pencil jets jet straight out of the brush. So with this thought in mind is it still ok to rinse with a fan jet. The reason why I ask is wouldnt the fan jet just throw dirt back onto the window as it spraying the whole brush unlike the pencil jet?

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Jon-scwindows on February 29, 2008, 08:53:50 am
normally the bristles are cut away in the center of the brush, or you have an overhead fan spray. I have not had any problems, the fan jets really spray a mist over the windows, and rinse quite well.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: gsw on February 29, 2008, 05:22:55 pm
ditto
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: s.hughes on February 29, 2008, 06:21:25 pm
ditto
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Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Jon-scwindows on February 29, 2008, 08:18:47 pm
today i used pencil jets on a shorter pole, where i could actually see how it rinsed, i couldnt really see 45ft high.... but i dont think there as good as fan jets.. the pencil jets only spray two bits of the window and the water spreads as it hits the glass. On the fan jets the mist goes all over the windows and rinses much better in my opinion.

fan jets for me
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on February 29, 2008, 08:31:41 pm
Do the fan jets use more water than pencil jets. I tried using fan jets in a vikan rectangular brush today. I thought I used more water than normal but it's too early too tell. What's your views?
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Steve_Richardson on March 03, 2008, 10:25:51 am
Do the fan jets use more water than pencil jets. I tried using fan jets in a vikan rectangular brush today. I thought I used more water than normal but it's too early too tell. What's your views?

I would be interested in knowing this too as I am boing to be getting a new pole soon and havent decided on fans of jets.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Jon-scwindows on March 03, 2008, 11:41:37 am
i was using two 2mm pencil jets and it looked as though they were using much more water, even with 2mm jets the jet of water looked quite thick and was spraying out fast. With the fans they have to go through a thinner slit gap to spray, but some places you have choice of fan jets like cleantech do high or low pressure fan jets, the low ones would use less water i think.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: alanwilson on March 03, 2008, 09:22:12 pm
we've fan jets on 2 poles, I used both of them today all day (was on me own today) and got through a full 650tank.

normally 500ltrs would do me but was definitely faster and made more money than normal
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Nathanael Jones on March 03, 2008, 09:27:22 pm
I found fan jets used more water,.. and my feet got very wet!
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on March 03, 2008, 09:36:27 pm
I found fan jets used more water,.. and my feet got very wet!

Try aiming the brush at the windows, not your feet, or stand further back, lol
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on March 03, 2008, 09:37:59 pm
we've fan jets on 2 poles, I used both of them today all day (was on me own today) and got through a full 650tank.

normally 500ltrs would do me but was definitely faster and made more money than normal

I'm inclined to agree with you. Since I've been trying out fan jets I notice some of my jobs are quicker and I seem to go through the water quicker too.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 09:54:58 pm
How long is a piece of string springs to mind.  It depends on how big the holes are in both the fan, and pencil jets.  If the pencil jets have no restriction and the water is flowing freely, then a fan jet under pressure will use less water.  Fan jets also allow the water to spread evenly over the width on the brush.

peter
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: NWH on March 03, 2008, 09:56:43 pm
I don`t mean the ones you sell Peter but some you can get are rubbish they don`t fan hardly at all.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on March 03, 2008, 10:07:39 pm
How long is a piece of string springs to mind.  It depends on how big the holes are in both the fan, and pencil jets.  If the pencil jets have no restriction and the water is flowing freely, then a fan jet under pressure will use less water.  Fan jets also allow the water to spread evenly over the width on the brush.

peter

I totally agree with all you have said Peter, however I am using more water than normal with wide fan jets (because they cover more area using less water in theory) and I am definitely quicker (only a bit). I can't explain it but the results speak for themselves. I also like using the fan jets because it sounds like the windows are being cleaned with a small pressure washer attached to the WFP as it's quite noisy and unusual to the peace and quiet of using 2 or 3mm pencil jets. It's still early days comparing the difference between pencil jets and wide spray fan jets for me though so I may be wrong for now, time will tell.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 10:08:41 pm
I don`t mean the ones you sell Peter but some you can get are rubbish they don`t fan hardly at all.

It can depend on what system you have, like you need smaller jets to get any sort of pressure with a back-pack, and the same small jets restrict the water too much with a 100psi pump.

Peter
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 10:14:47 pm
Wayne, do you do a separate rinse with the brush off the glass?  If so try a couple of windows with and without a separate rinse, and then check the windows once they are dry to see there is a difference, you may be surprised.

Peter
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on March 03, 2008, 10:23:05 pm
Wayne, do you do a separate rinse with the brush off the glass?  If so try a couple of windows with and without a separate rinse, and then check the windows once they are dry to see there is a difference, you may be surprised.

Peter

Hello Peter,
 
I always rinse with the brush on the glass, but on ground floor windows I've been pulling the brush away from the glass near the bottom of the glass as I've found this quicker with wide fan jets. I won't rinse with the brush away from the glass at the top of the glass because the spray will just go all over the top above the frame and hit the brickwork/lintels which will then drip onto the glass after it's dried resulting in spotting. I've tried both ways of rinsing. What method are you suggesting Peter and what am I looking out for as I'm intrigued and always open to new methods and ideas if they work. I'm keen to learn, tell me more please.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: groundhog on March 03, 2008, 10:27:28 pm
I think that pencil jets are much better as you can direct the water accurately to where you want it!
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 10:40:54 pm
Sorry Wayne, I thought it was you that was going through a lot of water, I should have directed the question at Alan.  What I was meaning is a separate rinse is usually not necessary, and the test I suggested usually is a good way of proving it to yourself.  I have seen a lot of window cleaners wasting a lot of water and time, when it is not needed.

Peter
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on March 03, 2008, 10:46:32 pm
Sorry Wayne, I thought it was you that was going through a lot of water, I should have directed the question at Alan.  What I was meaning is a separate rinse is usually not necessary, and the test I suggested usually is a good way of proving it to yourself.  I have seen a lot of window cleaners wasting a lot of water and time, when it is not needed.

Peter

Peter, how do you clean the windows? Do you just scrub the glass from the top down and include your rinse in with the scrub working your way down to the bottom of the glass? Or do you scrub all the glass, then go back to the top and rinse (zig, zag) down the glass as a second wash?
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Wayne Thomas on March 03, 2008, 11:05:32 pm
Peter have you got a link to that video clip of you cleaning the windows with your clampless telescopic pole because I can't logon as a member to your site anymore. I assume you scrub the frames first then scrub/rinse the glass in one thorough pass cutting out the need to wash the windows twice so to speak.
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 11:15:33 pm
I think that pencil jets are much better as you can direct the water accurately to where you want it!

Groundhog everyone is different and just as well or the world would be a boring place.

I can't see how you would have more control with a pencil jets though.  Here is one example.  To clean the edge of a frame next to the wall with a pencil jet, you would have to lift the brush off the frame, tilt it inwards to wet the frame, then brush it, and do the same again to rinse it.  Now with a fan spray reaching the ends of the brush, everywhere the brush goes the water is cleaning and rinsing.

Peter
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 11:19:41 pm

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Peter, how do you clean the windows? Do you just scrub the glass from the top down and include your rinse in with the scrub working your way down to the bottom of the glass? Or do you scrub all the glass, then go back to the top and rinse (zig, zag) down the glass as a second wash?

It depends on the type of glass, I do it the first way you described on beading glass, and the second way you described on sheeting glass, except instead of the zig zag down the glass, I would just move the brush along the very top back and forth a couple of times.

Peter
Title: Re: Is it easy to rinse with fan jets??
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 03, 2008, 11:26:19 pm
Peter have you got a link to that video clip of you cleaning the windows with your clampless telescopic pole because I can't logon as a member to your site anymore. I assume you scrub the frames first then scrub/rinse the glass in one thorough pass cutting out the need to wash the windows twice so to speak.

Try the forum again with your old details, and if not use new details.  I have had quite a few problems with the forum lately, but it should all be sorted out now.

Here is a link to the pole...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_srS3QRPnE

I clean the frame and the glass at the same time.  That video was done to show how the pole works, and not so much how to clean a window.

Peter