Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: markpowell on February 04, 2008, 07:20:39 pm
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on first job this morning sebo blew so had to go to second and third job vac free, both were minging.
Just pre-sprayed, agitated and rinsed an normal and the results were just the same as if id vacced.
The question is does pre-vac really make any difference. I would never have dreamed of cleaning this way, but i was left with no choice.
Does anyone honestly vac religiously on all jobs and please be honest?
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I only pre vac when needed. I.e custy hasn't already (or has made a bad job of it), lots of dust, dry soil or bits on carpet. Most of the time custy has done it already so dont bother.
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ALWAYS.
CHEERS TONY
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I always do as well, Its is a requirement of NCCA membership that you pre vac all jobs. All the directors that I have ever spoken to say it should be done.
Some do, some dont but i prefer to as it is part of the package.
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always
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Never, ever!
Best, Dave.
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Like Dave, never. But then I presume it depends on what kind of a machine you are using to clean the carpets with
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I used to always pre vac when i was aporty owner, now I use a truck I very rearly vac unless it really needs it.
Strange how times change.
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i use aporty but only pre vac if really needed
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I would have thought a thorough pre vac was a routine part of the cleaning proccess, one of the first things i was taught was good pre vac was of great importance,
and again whilst taking the iicrc course , it is a fundemental part of the proccess as i am sure it is with the ncca,
so in a nutshell, both advocate pre vaccing, and if your not pre vaccing you are going against what you were taught
Im not saying its wrong not to pre vac, I am just doing the best i can.
thats what I was taught , so thats what I do. and if somebody can give me a good logical reason not to vac, I will listen with interest ;)
geoff
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Same with me Geoff,
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How long do you have? There are plenty of reasons why not to vac just as there are plenty of reasons why too vac.
Come to the ccdo and I will go through the whys and why nots.
Or of course you could just read the many many posts already on this subject.
Best, Dave.
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Dave
I was waiting for your view on this, looking forward to seeing you in action at the CCDO.
Neil
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I aggitate with an envirodri on most jobs. The amount of muck/ hair and base crap it pulls out even after a full pre vac is amazing. For that reason I no longer pre vac unless there is a lot of dust or hair around the edges.
After I have aggitated with the enviro dri I will vac the excess of the surface with he truck hose before HWE.
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Dave
I was waiting for your view on this, looking forward to seeing you in action at the CCDO.
Neil
Ive seen Dave in action :o, no great shakes :D, but hes good at cleaning rugs though ;)
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I was taught to drive with my hands at 9 and 3 o'clock on the steering wheel.
That changed when I was driving home with my pass certificate in my back pocket ;D.
Just because its the 'correct' thing to do doesn't mean its necessary ;).
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Good analogy Jason and I'm a former driving instructor.
rob
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Time is money! If its not needed dont do it! if it is do!
Justin
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I JUST KNEW there was SOMETHING about you ROB ;D ;D ;D ;D
CHEERS TONY
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Hi Guys
Depends on too many things to list but being a professional you make judgements.
Pre Vac, yes or no,how much, what type , prespray yes or no , which one etc etc.
What temp, wet or dry, green or high pH .
As you become more experienced , black and white turn to grey ...........
Cheers
Doug
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Doug, surely you mean as you get older your hair turns to grey :D well except for Chris ;D
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Mine is turning grey .......... every now and then i look into the box under the bed where i keep it ::)
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Chris I thought it had turned green!
Shaun
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Good analogy Jason and I'm a former driving instructor.
rob
Bloody hell rob is there anything you haven't done ;D.
Must give credit to Mr. Moss for the analogy, he said it to me the other day ;D.
All the best,
Jason.
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Pretend to 'push pull' like you r driving instructor told you and that is good enough reason not to do it!
Shaun
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Dave
You may not pre vac. but you certainly know how to agitate. ;)
I think you need a new username MAVERICK!
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I pre vac on domestic,but not commercial,takes to long.
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Pre vac if need be,most of my custys have done the job already before i get there.Sometimes have to get it out and go around the skirting boards or where i have moved furniture
.Most of the end of tenancy work i do the cleaners have been in prior to me so it`s been done ,saving me some time.
I do also say on my website that i do it.Do also say i do a dye bleed test before i start but 9 times out of 10 it`s the same bog standard carpet that i have cleaned 1000 x before
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Same here if custys done it no, if they havent always.Apart from the time aspect nothing to lose and there definitely will be loose debris in the carpet. ;)
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Jason,
what a ridiculous comparison!!!
you were taught to drive with your hands on the wheel at 10 to 2 , but after passing the test , what you were taught went out of the window........ hmmm strange if in fact you were making a true comparison . you would be driving your car without any hands on the wheel, therfore no control.
please come up with a better excuse ;)
Geoff
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Geoff, I was going to say the same thing. It has always been 10 and 2. Thats how a steering wheel is made to be held. Thought a driving instructor would have known this too.
Best, Dave.
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Jason,
what a ridiculous comparison!!!
you were taught to drive with your hands on the wheel at 10 to 2 , but after passing the test , what you were taught went out of the window........ hmmm strange if in fact you were making a true comparison . you would be driving your car without any hands on the wheel, therfore no control.
please come up with a better excuse ;)
Geoff
Hi Geoff,
I was merely saying that whether its 10 - 2, 9 - 3 or whatever position your hands are supposed to be in when your taught to drive most people dont continue to drive like that for long after they've passed their test.
It was a ridiculous comparison but the underlying message was just because pre-vaccing is essential in the eyes of the ncca and other governing bodies (they have to say that, because the book says so) doesnt mean we all have to do it all of the time.
All the best,
Jason.
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Not sure who that was aimed at Dave, but just to let you know. Like most things in life, with driving, there is no ALWAYS and no NEVER, the generally accepted hand position is anywhere between twenty to four and ten to two. This is a fact along with the acceptance of reversing to the left, using mirrors and overlapping of hands while turning or manouvering.
There is a little more detail required to fully qualify the above, but all were confirmed in meetings with DSA examines.
rob