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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: xxmattyxx on January 11, 2008, 02:19:24 pm
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Just ordered my Purefreedom Trolley from Andrew
I feel so excited, bit like a boy going to watch Bristol City (yes ok ok, I know) for the first time.
:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
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Matty...
Well done.
I have the Pure Freedom trolley and love it - works perfectly for my round
Get yourself a large storage tank ( 300 + litres) for your water. I have this set up in my outhouse and fill my barrels up each night. - some extra barrels too I have 12 now.
You may want to be looking at a longer pole also.
I got a longer pole from Alex, and shortened the one that came with the trolley - I use this for ground floor mainly.
Also, get yourself 30 mtrs of Microbore, and rig up a system so that you don't always have to move the trolley around - I find this works a treat.
You won't regret the purchase at all. ;D
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Oh... and defo get yourself a flow control valve from Alex.
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Flow_Control_Valves.html
There a must - saves you sqiurting walls, and saves you water.
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Thanks guys, appreciate it.
I got a couple of questions.
I should have asked Andrew, but what length of hose does it come with?
Regarding the flow control valves, if you shut the water supply off doesnt this cause strain on the pump as its pumping and remaining under pressure on the outlet side???
What size containers are needed for the trolley, I know it commes with one, but will need a good few more, and want to be sure I get the right size.
Thanks in advance
Matt
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The hose that comes with the pole is not that long, and you will find yourself moving the trolley around a lot.
I receveived I think it was 6 x 25 litre barrels with the system - but you will certainly need more.
I get mine from :
http://www.waterbuttsnbottles.co.uk/watercontainers.htm#hot
Although the caps aren't as good as the one that come with the trolley - but there good value for money ( get the stackable, clear square round)
When the flow control valve is shut, the pump won't pump - as soon as you open the valve the pump fires up.
Hope this helps
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Cheers, any idea of dimensions for the containers, dont want to buy 10 or so and find theyre too big for the trolley.
Matt
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no idea of the dims..
As long as you get the 25litre, stackable square/round
Same as this:
http://www.waterbuttsnbottles.co.uk/pix/Picture%2051.jpg
You'll be fine.
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IT'S A T R O L L Y.
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The hose that comes with the pole is not that long, and you will find yourself moving the trolley around a lot.
I receveived I think it was 6 x 25 litre barrels with the system - but you will certainly need more.
I get mine from :
http://www.waterbuttsnbottles.co.uk/watercontainers.htm#hot
Although the caps aren't as good as the one that come with the trolley - but there good value for money ( get the stackable, clear square round)
When the flow control valve is shut, the pump won't pump - as soon as you open the valve the pump fires up.
Hope this helps
As you get more profficient you will use the hose more and move the trolley less and less. This is a natural development . Good luck, the learning curve is a bit steep at first but it is well worth it. You will never regret it after the first two weeks.
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I agree.
The first couple of weeks is a steep learning curve.... But once you understand what the water is doing, and adopt a technique that works for you... then your ;D
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then your ;D
I better be ;D
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Forget the 2 week comments,no offense people.You will need at least 6 months more like year before you can walk away and know you`ve done a proper job trust me,in 2 weeks your find out which way is more comfortable to hold the poles etc but it will take a lot longer than 2 weeks to master correct use of WFP.
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Matt... couple a tips.
Don't run your until there are dry. You'll get an airlock, and they can be a bugger to get out.
Occasionally I forget to place the pick up tube in the barrel - this cause's the mother of all air locks!! :o
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Forget the 2 week comments,no offense people.You will need at least 6 months more like year before you can walk away and know you`ve done a proper job trust me,in 2 weeks your find out which way is more comfortable to hold the poles etc but it will take a lot longer than 2 weeks to master correct use of WFP.
Agree, but in a couple of weeks you will begin to understand what it is about, and start to enjoy the benefits of WFP.
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(http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/f88ff7bfd397a8880908c6c00483276f.jpg)
Exel Universal Water-fed Pole 22ft
Code: WFPU22 Price: £145.00 (exc. VAT)
The Exel Universal Pole is ideal for industrial and commercial work and is currently the industry standard. Made with heavy-duty clamps and comes complete with 11" Vikan brush head, adjustable gooseneck and hose.
Available in a variety of sizes: - Total length: 18ft - 3 sections - Reach height: 21ft
- Total length: 22ft - 4 sections - Reach height: 25ft
- Total length: 27ft - 5 sections - Reach height: 30ft
- Total length: 34ft - 6 sections - Reach height: 37ft
- Total length: 39ft - 6 sections - Reach height: 42ft
Okay good so far, ta.
Now poles. I have pasted the above info from the WCW website just as an example. The various poles available come in different lengths, theyre telescopic etc etc, I assume they do NOT have to be used at their full length, for example you might have the 27' pole but one of the windows on a property being at 15' can still be done with this pole but with it shortened in length by adjusting the number of sections extended. Would I be right in this??
Also, can you take a section of pole off if you want and maybe just work with enough sections to reach to 20' and then if necessary briefly add a section onto the pole to be able to reach higher or can they not be dismantled?
Matt
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Those poles are better off in a museum.
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Dude
Well done join the same gang as me I got all the kit from Andrew has he run out?
You can get barrells from him the are 25ltr ones and work well I got ten but only seem to use eight
Also try and get a 100 meter hose and I would deffo have the shut of valve on the pole as it works a treat
You will get used to it and I still check my work especially new cleans
If you were trad before you should of had your sills and everything wiped anyhoo
so there should be no problem
Are you going to do bottoms Trad still?
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this is what mine looks like in the back of the Volvo V40
does me ok
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Those poles are better off in a museum.
That may be the case, but thats not what I was asking, I said they were just an example, I was NOT asking yours or anyones opinion on WCW supplies, read the whole jist of the question, if you have something constructive to say feel free to do so, but to be honest if you havent anything constructive dont bother otherwise.
So, if theres anyone else, who can answer my question regarding the usage of poles I'd be very grateful.
Matt
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I got my pole from PF they used a supplier will take a look in a bit but 24ft pole four section and I can do 3 story town houses also when collapsed right down I use it on the bottoms for georgians and leads bit awkward but less than taking out sections unless you get a wee small pole for the bottoms
Most of my work is within walking distance but barrels last between 2-3 houses
but mostly I only do tops
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I got my pole from PF they used a supplier will take a look in a bit but 24ft pole four section and I can do 3 story town houses also when collapsed right down I use it on the bottoms for georgians and leads bit awkward but less than taking out sections unless you get a wee small pole for the bottoms
Most of my work is within walking distance but barrels last between 2-3 houses
but mostly I only do tops
Can you take sections off though and use 3 instead of 4?
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ESSENTIALLY PURE,there poles now come with nice soft 6mm pole hose that is easy to coil up.It looks good to as it has there logo on the pole hose and is black also.
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to tell you the truth I ain't tried did not want to break it lol
it does not look like it does as the hous runs up the middle and would be a pain to keep re thread. Unless i am missing somthing
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Thankyou very much, appreciate it.
Matt
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this is what mine looks like in the back of the Volvo V40
does me ok
would not like to see end result if you crashed that m8, have you ever seen the pizza advert about the kid with no belt on kills his mum ?
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true true but saving for a more suitable motor
want either a crew cab traffic or vivaro or an L200
but at the moment needs must
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Hi Matt
Where are you based?
I have a number of 25ltr kegs sitting here from PF, also have 2 pole's for sale 15ft & 24ft gf's complete with flow control valve and vikan brush.
Give me a shout if interested, I'm in Bolton Lancs.
Wayne
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Im in Hampshire, bit far methinks, thanks though.
Matt
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How does this cut off valve work? Do you manualy have to switch it off and if so then whats the point when you can do that with the viastream controller?
Steve
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There's not a lot wrong with the old universal pole like you have shown from WCW. They are decent workaday poles at good prices.
OK you can spend a lot more on poles and of course they will be a bit better but up to 3rd floor they are fine.
In answer to your question about the height at which you can actually work it's anywhere between the completely collapsed length and max extended length. The Universal standard section length is 6ft so say with a 24ft one the minimum length will be just over 6ft and the max length will be 24ft. No you can't easily remove sections.
I hope this helps you.
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As clear as clear could possibly be, appreciated.
Matt
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Steve
it is a little tap that you put on your pole just switch it off in between windows saves a hell of a lot on water too.
It does not stress the motor from what i can tell. will let you know in the summer after 6 months :)
But I am trying to be good and switch the pump off after I have done the tops or walking round to the backs of the hous from the front.
like I say I have noticed it on saving water on big houses
hope it helps
J
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I looked at the link and it mentions that the valve gets fitted to the hose a metre away from the pole. For me I use a controller and reduce the flow I also always turn it off when going from one side to the other but obviously not from one window to the next if they are next to each other.
Steve
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Now then Flipper, sorry I mean Matty, NWH is right. I have one of these in my garage roof and that's where it stays. The pole in Jago's photo is an Xtel and that's the one you want, probably 17'.
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it is a valve that sits at the bottom of the pole Just flick it to off walk to next window flick back on simple as it is attached to the pole it is easy to use. IMO
J
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Those poles are better off in a museum.
Yeah, they have been around for quite a while and served pro Window Cleaners well for over 10 years - hell of lot stronger than converted fishing poles too!
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Those poles are better off in a museum.
Yeah, they have been around for quite a while and served pro Window Cleaners well for over 10 years - hell of lot stronger than converted fishing poles too!
Correction
Some suppliers have been handing out miss-leading advise with these poles now for over 10 years.
False economy, health hazard, the worst possible start to your wfp experience possible, clamps- crap, wear out in no time, H-E-A-V-Y!!!, bendy, absolute rubbish just to put it politlely. museum? even they would reject them! ;)
tony
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Now then Flipper, sorry I mean Matty, NWH is right. I have one of these in my garage roof and that's where it stays. The pole in Jago's photo is an Xtel and that's the one you want, probably 17'.
I wasnt asking what people thought of those poles, whether they should be in a museum or not, how good they were or anything else, I wanted to know how ANY pole is used regarding extension and if they can be taken apart.
So what on earth you think NWH was right about beats me, seems he must have been responding to a thread about suitability of some poles on WCW, why he did that God only knows.
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Don' buy those 25 ltr water butts - go to a local food or soft drinks factory they will probably give them to you to save them paying to dump them
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Oh here comes know it all big mouth ::)
There was nowhere near the choice 10 years ago and if it wasn't for these poles you would still be probably using a squeegee! They have helped the WFP industry move ahead, develop and become popular. Where is the false economy/health hazard/Heavy!!? Compared to what?
and don't say Facelift, etc, cause if it wasn't for these type of poles they would exsist...
;)
Tell people the truth & be realistic or just tell them what they want to hear?
One helps, one doesn't. bit like simon cowell & louis walsh.
thats me foxman ( the same expert foxman who thinks regenerated purolite is as good as virgin resin ) yeah, some expert ::)
tony
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Oh here comes know it all big mouth ::)
There was nowhere near the choice 10 years ago and if it wasn't for these poles you would still be probably using a squeegee! They have helped the WFP industry move ahead, develop and become popular. Where is the false economy/health hazard/Heavy!!? Compared to what?
and don't say Facelift, etc, cause if it wasn't for these type of poles they would exsist...
;)
Tell people the truth & be realistic or just tell them what they want to hear?
One helps, one doesn't. bit like simon cowell & louis walsh.
thats me foxman ( the same expert foxman who thinks regenerated purolite is as good as virgin resin ) yeah, some expert ::)
tony
macmac you on a wind up again lol
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No i think he is genuinely misguided. ;D
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No i think he is genuinely misguided. ;D
macmac speaks from the cuff, nothing wrong with that, we all have different opinions that is what makes this forum so interesting.
Ian
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Your right...
But if your opinions are based on rubbish not on fact........... :D
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No i think he is genuinely misguided. ;D
MB-400
Ready-to-use mixed bed
Technical Data
Product Description
MB-400
is a fully-regenerated mixture of strong acid cation resin (C100H) in the H form with a type 1 strong-base anion resin (A400OH) in the OH form. It is ready for use after a short rinse to drain and can achieve very high quality demineralised water.
Taken from derwent-water-systems technical data sheet.
Tony
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er hello!?
Isn't Dowex MB400 as well???
Where does it say anything about Purolite? and who are Derwent Water?? May they Regenerate their resin - thats up to them as long as they tell the customer.
Taken from Purolite website:-
Purolite® MB400
Mixed Bed Exchange Resin
Purolite MB400 is a high quality resin mixture for direct purification of water. It is suitable for use in regenerable or non-regenerable cartridges and in large ion exchange units. Passage of water at recommended flow rates through the resin as supplied can achieve almost complete reduction of total dissolved solids. The residuals produce average conductivity values of about 0.1 µs cm-1 for a major portion of the service run which may be extended depending upon the final water quality acceptable. Equivalent volumes of ultra pure water may be obtained after regeneration but only if sufficient regenerant quantities are employed to achieve the percentage conversion levels equivalent to those of the "as supplied" resin. Generally acceptable capacity and quality is obtained economically at lower regeneration
http://www.purolite.com/ProductID/30/FolderID/63/PageVars/Library/Products/ProductDetails.htm
Tony, it looks like you've got your wires crossed mate. If you look at the above it states that you CAN regenerate the resin if done properly and get good results - it's not regenerated to begin with!
That's the problem with listening to people on forums, some of them dont really know what they are talking about. ::)
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I had an omnitrolley when I first started, and found it to be an absolute pain, lugging it in and out of the van all day, and constantly having to refill it, not to mention all the barrels!!
Get yourself a van mount, you won't regret it!!!
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er hello!?
Isn't Dowex MB400 as well???
No, it's MB50
tony
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I had an omnitrolley when I first started, and found it to be an absolute pain, lugging it in and out of the van all day, and constantly having to refill it, not to mention all the barrels!!
Get yourself a van mount, you won't regret it!!!
I agree with that,van mount is the answer.If you think you don`t need a van mount you`ve never had one.
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i got a Trolley for sale if any one is intrested?? £275 with 10 25liter barrels?
no longer needed
Email me if intrested rhysaharries@hotmail.com
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i got a Trolley for sale if any one is intrested?? £275 with 10 25liter barrels?
no longer needed
Email me if intrested rhysaharries@hotmail.com
what comes with the trolley and who is it made by ?
Ian
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i would agree about the earlier comment on the 17ft xtel. A very cheap pole that does almost everything. You would also need a 25ft+ pole to reach (almost)everything. The 17ft has nice short sections and will do most upstairs and all downstairs.
Whatever pole you get, i recommend you asking for 15 metres of extra pole hose on top of it's normal length. This will allow you to leave the trolley in or or 2 places to reach the whole property. That dangly little bit of extra hose that comes as standard will mean you will have to move the trolley every couple of windows.
When you can, get a tank and simply plug the trolley into that. With some microbore you will then have a working van mount.
One of these is handy if you get the extra pole hose:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250203704416
If you start with barrels you will learn very quickly to use less water. As you will soon get tired of running out of water on the job.
good luck with it. :)
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Cheers, as you can see you try and give solid info but all you get back is cheek.
I use step ladders too. (got a 34' hybrid but sometimes 17' plus steps is better).
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Cheers, as you can see you try and give solid info but all you get back is cheek.
I use step ladders too. (got a 34' hybrid but sometimes 17' plus steps is better).
Call it cheek if you want. Its just about staying on topic.
Locking the thread, as unfortunately it seems a pointless exercise now. But thanks to those who made constructive comments.
Matt