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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: *Pro Systems on January 04, 2008, 05:54:01 pm
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Hi, my system is unique because i put three connection points on the bumper so you can fill your tank and clean windows with your van locked(no more worrying about your equipment getting stolen).
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I make and install all my systems so if you are interested please let me know and i can make you a system to suit your needs.tel: 0870 2245 855
Many Thanks
Cheyne
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nice job cheyne ;D
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Good Idea I like that
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Ive seen you before selling off systems on ebay ? right?
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Is that small angle bracket the only fixing for the tank?
Omnipole and several others have been using a small bracket set just below the rear bumper for the outlets for many years now for the same security reasons. It also helps protect the resale value of the vehicle.
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I`d be interested to know what your charging for fitting that,all in.
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It appears that there is just a small bracket bolted to the floor, and the tank is glued to the bracket? no way can that hold the tank. Perhaps it is sufficient for at the back of the tank as the tank would normally slide forward, but tell us there is something holding at the front not just another little bracket?
alex is right, these bumper fixings have been out there for a while, i prefer having the hose reel floor mounted in the back or side of the van, as it would be hassle lifting it in and out of the van. Good to have the fixings there for filling the tank. I would have the hose coming out of a hole somehwere close to the bottom of the van through a hoselock roller feeder or something, so theres less of a trip hazard close to the floor, and you can just pull out how much hose you want.
is the waste from the merlin connected to the top of the tank to recycle it? or is that connected to the bumper?
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The fittings on the bumper are not unique,ionic,brodex,omnipole,facelift all fit those and in some cases as standard.
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I would be a bit worried about the connectors coming out of the bumper getting damaged from knocks and also how long the bumper would last over time.
Sorry mate, Im not trying to knock you and I salute you for coming up with ideas and posting them.
I have an Ionics pro5 system and I really liked what they did by putting a flap on the side that you can open and all of your connectors are in there. ie You can work when the van is locked up.
I liked it so much that I put another flap next to it for a mains socket (the type you would have for caravans) so I can power an electric radiator for the cold nights.
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I wouldn`t sell them if i were you,you will be sued everytime someone stacks there van.The minimum you must do is bolt it to the chassis with heavy duty bolts on each corner of a fabricated frame if upright,a lay flat tank like the one in the pic looks like a 400ltr and would need to be strapped vertically and horizontally and anchored to strapping points in the van as a minimum,not meaning to have a dig at you but selling that setup as it is, is a court case waiting to happen.
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There's no bulkhead fitted either. That driver guard rail wouldn't protect the driver from a flying water tank, not to mention poles, etc in a serious crash.
I've been in a large vehicle pile up in thick fog on a motorway. I'd only bought my car less than 24 hours and the back half was smashed/pushed up to just behind the seat I was sitting in. Now I have a real fear of driving in fog because it brings back that tragic day in my thoughts. Safety is Paramount :o
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Hi
I agree that the tank needs to be fitted with proper brackets etc. Also on the Partner/Berlingo van a bracket can be fitted to the rear towing eye which will save damaging the bumper. You will also need to use a sealed hose connector on each of those fittings to stop dirt ingress.
IMO I would also remove the ply lining on the floor and Protecta Kote the metal floor base rather than the ply. Water getting under the ply will not dry and will cause premature rot to the floor. Your customers will be back at you for this.
I would also remove the ply on the sides and cut it back a bit at the bottom so water isn't soaked up the sides. I would do the same for the wheel arch boxes.
Spruce
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The in and outlets on the side of the bumper could be a saftey problem with them protruding like that and may cause problems with the MOT :-\ . Under the rear bumper is safe and out of the way.
IMO, but the matter should be looked into !!
Regards
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Hi,Thanks for all your input. The tank is secured propely you just cant see the other brackets. I can fit the bumper connections on a seperate bracket and fit it under the back bumper if requested(the hose you see going into the top of the tank is the pure water). I install all my systems at your home or place of work anywhere in england(I come to you )I would travel further for an extra charge . I am selling the 250L system complete including installation for £2100 and the 500L System for £2250. If anyone is interested please call 0870 2245 855.
Many Thanks
Cheyne
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That`s about £1750.00 for fitting it lol,i don`t mean to be rude but you could buy all those bits from cleantech with 4 ratchet straps and fit it yourself,there`s nothing to it.You can buy a box that contains a battery,pump,varistream,with pipe outlets all you need to buy is the hose that goes from tank to box to hosereel.Split charge it for about £15.
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Gotta agree with NWH mate, you seem to be yet another cobble-together-and-sell-it-to-window-cleaners-cos-they-dont-know-any-better merchant.
What you have there is a tank, a merlin unit, a DI vessel, pump and battery and some hose (and that all-important dab of glue thats holding the tank in).
That aint a system, its a DIY job. If you'd done it for yourself for your own window cleaning (I think you are Booysen Pro Cleaning in Catterham? Googled your phone number), that would be fine. But now your trying to sell your DIY job as a system for an over-the-top price.
Also, it don't look safe at all
Why do window cleaners continually think they'll make a fast buck by selling diy job "systems". We're all smarter these days, I dont think you can get away with it now.
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For that money your asking look on Essentially Pure`s website,for the kind of money your looking to make that`s what your up against,there systems are bolted to the chassis and most parts are custom made for there systems,you won`t sell any of them on here.
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It's a DIY job and a poor one at that sorry mate, poor work on the protecta coat, just did mine, and it looks much better then that, even though it's not plylined nor did I even took the time to remove any leftovers from under the masking tape.
http://www.imgplace.com/image/view/6681735488cb171369dde6e44430cb1b
And you can't see the brackets from this position? Even from that pic you should be able to see them?! ??? I'm concerned that you just put 3 more angle brackets on there. Even with a 250l tank, your still looking at about 16000Kg in an accident. LOL, as mr. T would say, you' dead fool.
You even put the hosereel bottom support arms the wrong way round.
£1750.00 for fitting? Your joking.
(And I'm not even wfp yet, and I already see those things lol)
@ Spruce
The fill port under the tow eye looks allright, can we get a close up on that one? How did you fit it? Thanks. :)
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Is the only advantage having the hose connections on the bumper? because thats hardly a advantage you could do that yourself in no time at all.
I can only see 1 bracket on that tank and even if you had a few more of them around it i doubt it would be safe :-\
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(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42048000/jpg/_42048296_extras1.jpg)
is he having a laugh, is he having a laugh
lets just break it down,
merlin £250
di vessel £30
tank £115
pump and battery £100 ish
hoselock bit £20 odd
hose reel and hose £100
protecta £30
pole £100
ok so we’re looking about £750 ish for that setup, and you want £2100 :o
im sorry to dampen your buisness, but that is a con! £1000 fitted for that setup would be fair, as its just a diy job!
around £1500 for fitting! crikey!
anyway, for that sort of money id go to somewhere like pure freedom for less i might haten to add at £1995 and have something that looks superb like this
(http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/images/homepgvansys.jpg)
instead of a home made bodge job for more money! im sorry but you wont get away with them prices, no way no where no how
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That's The Biggest Load Of Crapp I Have Ever Seen
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looks dangerous to me from looking at the brackets in the pic.
also outside hose connections would get damaged. Maybe you should only install under bumper on a metal plate.
I am guessing you are aware that you can get a 4040 ro system professionally installed for less than you are charging for a lesser diy install system and you also get a secure tank frame included.
my advice would be to go back to the drawing board and also learn from the comments we are making because at the end of the day we are all window cleaners, and we are your target market, yes we will criticise most things, but this can only be of help to you "if you use the replies wisely".
Ian
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Does that van tilt to the right with just the driver too? Where is the tank vent? I wouldn't want my pump box and electrics under that filler cap.
Honestly that's hardly a "Pro" system there - quite the opposite - sorry.
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Im not WFP, but those pipe outlets are definately an MOT fail.
I wouldnt like the thought of driving that with the tank situated so far to the right, causing handling problems.
The protector-kote, or whatever it is thats been used, looks like its been applied by a pi$$ed monkey.
That is NOT a professional job, I wouldnt go down this route, Id be shocked if anyone did.
Matt
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(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42048000/jpg/_42048296_extras1.jpg)
is he having a laugh, is he having a laugh
lets just break it down,
merlin £250
di vessel £30
tank £115
pump and battery £100 ish
hoselock bit £20 odd
hose reel and hose £100
protecta £30
pole £100
ok so we’re looking about £750 ish for that setup, and you want £2100 :o
im sorry to dampen your buisness, but that is a con! £1000 fitted for that setup would be fair, as its just a diy job!
around £1500 for fitting! crikey!
anyway, for that sort of money id go to somewhere like pure freedom for less i might haten to add at £1995 and have something that looks superb like this
(http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/images/homepgvansys.jpg)
instead of a home made bodge job for more money! im sorry but you wont get away with them prices, no way no where no how
what white paint did you use on the side of your van ?
Ian
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With regards to the "system" for over two grand!!
No comment :(
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poor bloke, he comes on here thinking 'yeah get some more sales man' and all he gets is criticism.
Im sure many people have thought of selling off these systems to make money, but its just not going to work selling that off at those prices. You have to have something thats worth offering for sale, that looks good, well made, safe, and with a few extra features here and there.
When you look at all the other companies like purefreedrom or stream wfp systems, they are well designed, well made with quality steel cages, with professional fitting teams, the systems are even marked off with more advertisement and branding, and they source there own equipment-
its seems all you have done here is bought a tank from ebay or somewhere as cheap as you can get, bought a merlin, a hose reel from ebay - (that looks like exactly the same one that purefreedom sell on ebay) a few connectors and brackets from the local diy, pump and varistream all the necessary things, but all you are doing is shopping for some one, sticking it in the back of their van, and giving them a ridiculous bill for that.
Its no different from anyone else, except its worse or missing things.
sorry but im out (as the dragons would say).
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GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
I read this post at 9am this morning but it's taken me this long to stop laughing ;D ;D ;D ;D.
The only thing that i can think of is del-boy & rodney, what a script this would have made ;D ;D
Oh, poo systems, you kill me.
tony ( where's trigger when you need him )
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Heres an example to aspire too, when it equals or betters this then put it up for sale
http://www.omnipole.com/800%20above%20wide%20view.jpg
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Thats a nice looking system .
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Glyn
I think you would be better off just telling the truth-
You, along with every other major wfp supplier are shaking in your boots with the sudden realisation of such competition! ;D
Calm down, relax, & you may just get some sleep tonoght! ;)
tony
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Heres an example to aspire too, when it equals or betters this then put it up for sale
http://www.omnipole.com/800%20above%20wide%20view.jpg
wow, where did you get the round van from Glyn :o sys looks nice by the way.
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awesome omnipole setup there - hot water fed pole system, wouldnt mind one of them.
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come to my house and i can build the same system for about a grand £1,000
and have done so on many occasions, in my view there are far too many people trying to jump on the band wagon of wfp to try and make a killing.
personally i would rather help out another w/c and fit it free of charge (if they supply the parts) just to get them off a ladder
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Now THATS a professional looking system! Loving the yellow tank, LOL 8)
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come to my house and i can build the same system for about a grand £1,000
and have done so on many occasions, in my view there are far too many people trying to jump on the band wagon of wfp to try and make a killing.
personally i would rather help out another w/c and fit it free of charge (if they supply the parts) just to get them off a ladder
Thats because your a nice fella Jay ;)
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come to my house and i can build the same system for about a grand £1,000
and have done so on many occasions, in my view there are far too many people trying to jump on the band wagon of wfp to try and make a killing.
personally i would rather help out another w/c and fit it free of charge (if they supply the parts) just to get them off a ladder
Thats because your a nice fella Jay ;)
oh thank you you're so sweet ;D
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Glyn- can you tell me what van that is with that system in? looks really good, i need a van soon and, this kind of system would be awesome.
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come to my house and i can build the same system for about a grand £1,000
and have done so on many occasions, in my view there are far too many people trying to jump on the band wagon of wfp to try and make a killing.
personally i would rather help out another w/c and fit it free of charge (if they supply the parts) just to get them off a ladder
Thats because your a nice fella Jay ;)
oh thank you you're so sweet ;D
To many quality streets I think ;D
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just ordered 5 of them systems ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D over £10,000
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Glyn now thats a system :o :o ;D niceeeeeeeeeeee
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can you tell me what van that is with that system in? looks really good, i need a van soon and, this kind of system would be awesome
Hi Jon
I cant remeber exactly which van it was, but its probably a Long wheel Traffic / Vivaro or Primasta - high payload version.
Glyn
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Well he, dob101 (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=11064"), made an appearance at just past midday today, hasnt shown anything in his defence
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just ordered 5 of them systems ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D over £10,000
;D ;D ;D
jampot you ordered 5 of the new hot wfp systems on omnipoles website?
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there is no defence for that system it needs to be thought out again IMO, I was toying with the idea of doing this myself, dont have the time at the moment and if i did safety would always come first before price, I have sourced many of the manufacturers details and have prices for all items needed direct from source, have to say many of the guys selling proper systems are not making as much as some of you guys think.
Ian
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I've got an omnipole system, the 450 ltr, can fault it or the after service, top dogs!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/niceguy2702/SP_A0092.jpg)
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I've got an omnipole system, the 450 ltr, can fault it or the after service, top dogs!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/niceguy2702/SP_A0092.jpg)
what van is that in ?
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a fiat scudo, just the right size for it!!
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Are those washing up bowls strapped down properly?
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Are those washing up bowls strapped down properly?
looks like they are straped to the matting which I thought was a little ott for 2 bowls myself, better to be safe than sry I guess ;D
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lol. no not strapped down at all, they are just to rest the brush heads in so the dont get mucky on the floor!!
The rubber matting is so the speed lining doesnt get damaged from the hose reel.
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lol. no not strapped down at all, they are just to rest the brush heads in so the dont get mucky on the floor!!
The rubber matting is so the speed lining doesnt get damaged from the hose reel.
so what you are saying is them dangerous buckets could fly about in the back of your van :o :o :o
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lol, dangerous washing up bowls :o.....they are held down by the pole, when they have nothing in them i am using the poles!!
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lol, dangerous washing up bowls :o.....they are held down by the pole, when they have nothing in them i am using the poles!!
yeah but no but yeah but , so what would happen if you lost one of your poles, bet you didnt think about that safety aspect :P
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you are having a laff here aint ya, u seriously cant be concerened about a washing up bowl!!!
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you are having a laff here aint ya, u seriously cant be concerened about a washing up bowl!!!
how could you indanger your life Mick looooooooooooooooooooool cause I am joking m8 was going to carry it on but i am crying with laughter and I am getting strange looks from the missus.
Ian
p.s make sure the water in the said washing up bowls is secured in transit :P
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Beleive it or not this bloke has 3 people bidding on these systems on Ebay,they must be real virgins lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Beleive it or not this bloke has 3 people bidding on these systems on Ebay,they must be real virgins lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
guess he will not be recommending this site then ::)
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wheres the link, i could do with a laff
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Just go on Ebay LWC and type window cleaning,go to WFP and click scroll down and he`s there in 2 sections.
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ahh found them
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/250L-Water-Fed-Pole-System_W0QQitemZ140194474332QQihZ004QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/500L-Water-Fed-Pole-System_W0QQitemZ140194475556QQihZ004QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
at those sort of prices id of said worth it...but not £2k!
im watching these, i wanna see how much people are willing to pay for what is essentially a diy system. like i say if they stick at these prices, worth it, £500 for the 250 litre is a bargain and £700 for the 500 litre system. worth it then. wouldnt pay more than £800 or £900 for either system myself though
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If they don`t reach the prices stated on here they won`t sell,there only the bidding prices at the moment you know what Ebay is like if the price is not high enough they normally say reserve not met.
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he has no reserve, if they sell at that price then thats that
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For those of us fortunate enough to have found this and the pros forum we are aware of the potential dangers and the good quality systems that are available from major suppliers.
There are still many out there who don't have this luxury nor the basic knowledge to go wfp. Pro systems was quite brave to post on here and if he learns from the comments and doesn't take them as a personal insult, he could go on to produce something as good as many.
But he needs to concentrate on safety 1st (a 1/2 ton off centre tank full of water is asking for trouble) then appearance.
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He`s not been brave posting on here at all,he`s posted on here on the basis that he might gain business from it,little did he know but he does now that were not all idiots but we can spot one from a mile away.What`s he`s done is fitted a tank pump and hosereel in a van a thought there`s money to be made in this it`s a peice of p***,and he`s right it is a peice of p*** and that`s why for that price he won`t sell any.
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hey guys he could be on a winner here they are both going for1020 at the mo 1 with 3 bids second with 2 bids are they right in ther heads build your own cheeper than that ; :o
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He`s not been brave posting on here at all,he`s posted on here on the basis that he might gain business from it,little did he know but he does now that were not all idiots but we can spot one from a mile away.What`s he`s done is fitted a tank pump and hosereel in a van a thought there`s money to be made in this it`s a peice of p***,and he`s right it is a peice of p*** and that`s why for that price he won`t sell any.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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You lot are amazing, the fellas asked you to comment on what you think of his DIY van system.
And many have provided some very constructive critisism. But to ridicule the man because he wants to offer a fitting service to other cleaners I think is dissgraceful.
The fella is trying to earn a living, so for that hes a conning b******d preying on the vulnerable. By all means give him the advice he wants but dont slag him off for it.
And of course its going to be dearer than doing it yourself the man has to earn a profit doesnt he?.
Some arseholes on here.
Mark
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(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/jon8889/VANBACKPIC2.jpg)
Ian, thats just plain lazy - thats not how your supposed to walk your dog tied to your van as you clean your round! :-*
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Heres an example to aspire too, when it equals or betters this then put it up for sale
http://www.omnipole.com/800%20above%20wide%20view.jpg
does anyone have one of these Hot water fed pole systems in there van~?
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You lot are amazing, the fellas asked you to comment on what you think of his DIY van system.
And many have provided some very constructive critisism. But to ridicule the man because he wants to offer a fitting service to other cleaners I think is dissgraceful.
The fella is trying to earn a living, so for that hes a conning b******d preying on the vulnerable. By all means give him the advice he wants but dont slag him off for it.
And of course its going to be dearer than doing it yourself the man has to earn a profit doesnt he?.
Some arseholes on here.
Mark
I'll second that. Good comment Davo!
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i third it it
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(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42048000/jpg/_42048296_extras1.jpg)
is he having a laugh, is he having a laugh
lets just break it down,
merlin £250
di vessel £30
tank £115
pump and battery £100 ish
hoselock bit £20 odd
hose reel and hose £100
protecta £30
pole £100
ok so we’re looking about £750 ish for that setup, and you want £2100 :o
im sorry to dampen your buisness, but that is a con! £1000 fitted for that setup would be fair, as its just a diy job!
around £1500 for fitting! crikey!
anyway, for that sort of money id go to somewhere like pure freedom for less i might haten to add at £1995 and have something that looks superb like this
(http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/images/homepgvansys.jpg)
instead of a home made bodge job for more money! im sorry but you wont get away with them prices, no way no where no how
well said
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so for that hes a conning b******d preying on the vulnerable.
Yes, are you blind man? can you SEE what he is offering or are you just thick & trying to be goody two shoes? ::)
tony
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Davo that comment you made about give this bloke a chance has changed my opinion of you mate,i thought you could see him for what he is and what he`s selling,rubbish.
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so for that hes a conning b******d preying on the vulnerable.
Yes, are you blind man? can you SEE what he is offering or are you just thick & trying to be goody two shoes? ::)
tony
I dont think the guy is trying to con people at all, I am guessing that he has made up the system he is happy with it and is now selling it, I personally think it needs to be changed for safety, but thats IMO.
if he was trying to con people he would not come on here and post a picture, maybe he did this for our comments :-\
I wish the guy the best of luck and I hope for his sake he has product liability insurance.
Ian
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Over£1100 labour for that and it's not a con? I know what i think. There's about two hours work there by the look of it provided you get the floor coated in Tarmac first.
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Over£1100 labour for that and it's not a con? I know what i think. There's about two hours work there by the look of it provided you get the floor coated in Tarmac first.
how many other give tarmac floor ? ::) lol
I agree the price is not the best in the world for that system but 2 hours to make it up and then install I dont agree with, I would love to see anyone get the bits then set them all up, paint floor and then install in 2 hours it just cant be done.
Ian
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I don`t see anyone defending the fact,since they`ve heard the comments they`ve had it on there toes hopeing the Ebayer`s pay up.
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Two hours tops not including the floor. Plylining - pre-cut. The rest is hosepipe, hozelock, araldite and a quick whizz round with an electric drill, bish bosh and on to the next one £5000 a week easily achieved with a full order book. :D
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Two hours tops not including the floor. Plylining - pre-cut. The rest is hosepipe, hozelock, araldite and a quick whizz round with an electric drill, bish bosh and on to the next one £5000 a week easily achieved with a full order book. :D
you fancy going into business :?
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You would be stupid to buy one end of,for a bit more money you can get a properly installed system with comebacks.You would be better off buying one as close to home as you can,if i was selling them like that i would love it if you were miles away cos if anything went wrong my phone would just ring and ring and ring,caller id lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You lot are amazing, the fellas asked you to comment on what you think of his DIY van system.
And many have provided some very constructive critisism. But to ridicule the man because he wants to offer a fitting service to other cleaners I think is dissgraceful.
The fella is trying to earn a living, so for that hes a conning b******d preying on the vulnerable. By all means give him the advice he wants but dont slag him off for it.
And of course its going to be dearer than doing it yourself the man has to earn a profit doesnt he?.
Some arseholes on here.
Mark
I'll second that. Good comment Davo!
I agree. All he is doing is trying to make money like everyone else. The idea of a travel to you service is very good IMO.
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The only reason he has a travel-to-you service is because he doesnt want you to turn up with your van at his house, and therefore see instantly this aint a business at all.
This is a big fat con by some window cleaner bloke who has thought "hey some companies charge a lot for these systems, I could make them and jump on the bandwagon"
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It really make me laugh to read some of the opinions on here regarding what a person should make as a profit when selling a diy system. Not one of us would turn down £15 for a £12 w/c job so why the f### should someone sellinga diy system sell it for less than he can get for it.
Get of your high horses and let the guy make a living, I for one know that I was a poope w/c when I started but you learn as you go.
Who is to say that this guy won't be making great systems in a couple of years. >:(
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Not one of us would turn down £15 for a £12 w/c job so why the f### should someone sellinga diy system sell it for less than he can get for it.
I was gonna say something similar along them lines but couldn't be bothered with the argument ;)
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Hi Pro-Systems,
What would work for you, if you were prepared to travel, is a fitting service for people who have bought all of the bits, but did not have the time or inclination to plumb/wire/bolt it all together.
You could perhaps charge £400 complete fitting service, plus a suitable out of area travelling fee, which should take you about 4-6 hours to carry out. You would need to have good public liability insurance and a template contract for the client to sign before you started cutting holes in their van. If you started fitting tanks for them though you would need to get serious about bolting a proper frame around the chassis, for this you could charge extra.
The trouble with selling the type of system that you have pictured above (apart from the safety issues) is that the type of client who would be happy having such a basic system would probably just build it themselves.
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It really make me laugh to read some of the opinions on here regarding what a person should make as a profit when selling a diy system. Not one of us would turn down £15 for a £12 w/c job so why the f### should someone sellinga diy system sell it for less than he can get for it.
Get of your high horses and let the guy make a living, I for one know that I was a poope w/c when I started but you learn as you go.
Who is to say that this guy won't be making great systems in a couple of years. >:(
Good points there ;)
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Who is to say that this guy won't be making great systems in a couple of years.
Me!
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Who is to say that this guy won't be making great systems in a couple of years.
Me!
;D ;D
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is it fair to say most dont think it amazing ? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Bluez i think you`ve got it all confused,all this bloke-blokes are trying to do is make money.There selling them on Ebay,your making it sound like butter wouldn`t melt in there mouths.
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Nwh, Isn't that what we are all trying to do? Make some money! I agree with some of the comments about the safety and design of what he is selling and that it looks shoddy (I wouldn't buy it) but like all these things it's buyer beware.
My point is that I would never shoot a guy for trying to get as much as possible for something they are selling. If there is people out there prepared to pay over the odds for this then that is their lookout, but it can be addressed on here without slaughtering everything about the guy.
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he relisted it for a couple grand now! what the heck and two bids at 1020 last time i saw...
flaming dinkum
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so for that hes a conning b******d preying on the vulnerable.
Yes, are you blind man? can you SEE what he is offering or are you just thick & trying to be goody two shoes? ::)
tony
Tony I stand by what I said. The fella asked for critisism not a slagging off for trying to earn a living.
As regards to wether it represents value for money is a different issue. He will soon find out how good it is when he finds out wether it sells or not.
Mark
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I've got an omnipole system, the 450 ltr, can fault it or the after service, top dogs!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/niceguy2702/SP_A0092.jpg)
where is your RO system