Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Captain Scarlet on December 18, 2007, 07:19:37 pm
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Well today I gave my van a clean inside and out and decided after putting all the junk back in to take a quick picture. I had just pressure washed the floor inside so all the ply is wet!!! I know it probably doesn't look like much but it does to me!! And before anything is said, yes that tank is secured, you just can't see the fixings. My 50ft Super-lite 2 and 30ft Brodex were'nt in the picture as they made it look cluttered!!! And yes I do carry nine cones!
(http://lh4.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R2gcNOqPB1I/AAAAAAAAAio/1N1ODFD_M4s/IMG_2819.JPG?imgmax=512)
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where do you get them yellow cones at the back from luke ( back meaning at the front of pic :-X , I now have about 8 signs that are rubbish and one that is great but cost £50.
The cones look great If possible can you get them with no writting on, as I tend to brand everything we have with logo's etc.
Ian
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There from here:
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/products/safety-equipment/hazard-cone.html
They are brilliant cones, they stack and don't blow over and can be used to help guide hose really well. The lettering is just stuck on with a durable sticker and could be peeled off, Luke
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No side doors, no bulk head holes for longer poles in roof, no water heating system.
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luke thats a nice set up take no notice of mr solubility there is always people who want to slag you off for no reason mate
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No side doors, no bulk head holes for longer poles in roof, no water heating system.
You need your eyes testing!! There are 2 side doors. And even my 50ft Super-lite fits in just perfect without compromising the integrity of the bulk head. And how do you know I don't have a water heater? As a it happens I don't but I will soon, Luke
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Out of interest is there a way of blocking posts of certain forum members? as I had heard there was, Luke
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Luke what is stopping your tank from sliding backwards or forwards out of interest.
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Fittings through the chassis. The bands around the tank are around the tanks recesses/grooves, so that forward/backward movement isn't possible, you just can't see them in the picture as I lowered myself for the picture, Luke
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your system looks great , dont take any notice of others its quantity and quality what counts
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Oh i see. Not picking on you, i have a similar van with ratchets too.
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Thanks. I don't think I'm doing bad for somebody who left school only last year. even if I say so myself, Luke
ps, Dave it's a good question!! dont worry :)
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you gained more in a year than most i wish you all the best
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Thanks Martin!!! :) I'm very happy with my system. It does everything I want as quick as I can possibly do it. I can work to 50ft and run 2 men all day off the 500ltr tank. Luke
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Luke, why don't you mount your varistream by the back door, assuming you take your hosereels out on most cleans. I extended the wiring on my varistream so it's right by the back door so it saves me climbing in and out of the van to switch the varistream on. Nice tidy van by the way. Is it a Scudo?
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No side doors, no bulk head holes for longer poles in roof, no water heating system.
not every one has been sold the great hot water :P
Good on you Luke ;)
Not seeing many others post the van pics ::)
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nice set up lot more pro than some you see by the way luke is that protecta cote on the floor or what i really need to get something down in my van sharpish so should get it done over xmas
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nice set up lot more pro than some you see by the way luke is that protecta cote on the floor or what i really need to get something down in my van sharpish so should get it done over xmas
thats the same colour protectakote I have in my van, and works well, if using just remember to wear gloves, dont listen and you will have hands like a smurf for ages ;)
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Looking great Luke
nice set up lot more pro than some you see by the way luke is that protecta cote on the floor or what i really need to get something down in my van sharpish so should get it done over xmas
thats the same colour protectakote I have in my van, and works well, if using just remember to wear gloves, dont listen and you will have hands like a smurf for ages ;)
On a side note @ windowwashers, I thought you had a pure freedom wfp system? Didn't know they do hot systems as well?
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No side doors, no bulk head holes for longer poles in roof, no water heating system.
What's your problem? ::)
That's more kit than I've got.
I've got a tank (wonky)
A pump (bolted on the side of van)
Battery (in a basket cable-tied to the side)
Two poles (rattling about in the back)
A washing up tray to put my brush in.
No protection stuff on the floor.
...and so on...
Going to slag it off (in a 15k van)?
Who cares? I can do my job as well as you or anyone else.
Does it make you feel important if you've got loads of crap in your van?
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nice set up lot more pro than some you see by the way luke is that protecta cote on the floor or what i really need to get something down in my van sharpish so should get it done over xmas
thats the same colour protectakote I have in my van, and works well, if using just remember to wear gloves, dont listen and you will have hands like a smurf for ages ;)
4 days actually ;) ;D when i used it for the first time my rubber gloves split and i never realised. If you've got drainage holes in the back of your van just remember if painting on your van on your drive you may end up with a spotty drive...cause i did! ;D
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nice set up luke mate ;) did u do it your self?
somethinglike the 1 i want to get in the new year.
just out of interest mate what van have you got looks like the expert ???
whats it like when full?
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Looking great Luke
nice set up lot more pro than some you see by the way luke is that protecta cote on the floor or what i really need to get something down in my van sharpish so should get it done over xmas
thats the same colour protectakote I have in my van, and works well, if using just remember to wear gloves, dont listen and you will have hands like a smurf for ages ;)
On a side note @ windowwashers, I thought you had a pure freedom wfp system? Didn't know they do hot systems as well?
as far as I know they dont, but dont quote me on that ;)
and yes I have a freedom install
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Its a Peugeot expert 2.0 HDI 900KG payload. It pulls perfectly with a full tank and two men!! And it DOES have side doors Mr Solubility!! :) The Varistream can be turned on simply by the other worker. It was fitted by the window cleaning warehouse, they really are great guys!!! I will get hot water in the near future but the priority is to make money with what I've already got! Luke
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nice luke the window cleaning warehause is only 5 miles for me have to take a trip down there ;)
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Talk to Steve, he's a really nice guy ( tell him I told you that!! ). They have nearly everything you could ever want in the warehouse. They also own the big window cleaning company Crystal Clear who clean the Welsh Assembley, Millenium Stadium etc etc. Luke
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i know i have been down there anoying them with my newbie questions ;D ;D
yeah fair play they seem a tidy bunch
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There prices are very competative too. If you'r going to get a backpack get it from them because nobody does them cheaper in the UK, Luke
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well said squeeks ;D ;D ;D ;D also luke or ian how much did it cost to do floor of your vans i have a scudo (same as expert) does it key ok or do you prime it or what ??? ???
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as far as I know they dont, but dont quote me on that ;)
and yes I have a freedom install
But you said you had hot water wfp, DIY then or not? :)
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I bought this kit:
http://www.anti-slip-paint.co.uk/protectakote-bedvan-liner-blue-p-44.html
and a bottle of xylene off the same site. I think it cost just under 100 quid with postage. Xylene is used as a thinner, DO NOT USE any other type of thinner with this paint. Instructions and pads are provided to prepare the floor, but I did it like this:
1. Take ply up
2. Hoover floor
3. Clean floor with damp cloth
4. Dry floor with cloth
5. Rub floor down with pads provided
6. Wipe with damp cloth to pick up dust
7. Wipe floor with xylene
8. Apply coating
Its important to use better gloves than the ones provided in the kit and not too panick and take your time, Luke
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cheers luke now iknow what i want for xmas ;D
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It's fine, glad to help! Luke
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Just don't ge it on your hands. i had it on me for 2 weeks!!! Luke
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hi luke did w. c .w secure ur tank to the floor as well .cause like jampot im only afew more miles away from w.c .w .did u know it was on welsh news bout 6 months ago . a w c company was having £1000 per week for cleaning glass of welsh assembly lucky buggers .
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Yes it was secured to the chassis. Yes thats the guys, there stinking rich!! :) Luke
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This is the guys:
http://www.crystalclear-cleaning.co.uk/
That picture is Julian the joint owner, Luke
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thanks luke .
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well said squeeks ;D ;D ;D ;D also luke or ian how much did it cost to do floor of your vans i have a scudo (same as expert) does it key ok or do you prime it or what ??? ???
I have a swb relay, a used wet and dry course to take off the shine and give a key, one tin was plenty, i just dripped the roller straight in the tin and rolled it on
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I used just over 3 quaters of a tin, Luke
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You can now buy it in spray form,you can buy the gun that applies it the lot you will get a much better finish in spray form.
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Yes, but its available in less colours!
http://www.anti-slip-paint.co.uk/protectakote-antislip-paint-litre-spray-tins-c-1_18.html
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Who cares,do you know how much speedliner is,i paid over £500. :o :o :o :o :o
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:( :(oooh, did you know about protectakote when you had it done? Luke
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Yes but i wanted it done quick and close to home.
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I was considering speedliner and they sent me a sample of the stuff, but I dont have a fitter nearby, and protectakote is just as good and cheaper, Luke
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It`s similar Luke but i wouldn`t say it`s as good.
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But it's not required to do much really, just protect and provide a waterproof layer. Protectakote does both. It's extremely hard wearing stuff, Luke
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Exactly that`s why i`m getting it for my new van,it does the job.
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I've never asked, what type of system do you have NWH? Luke
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Do the tennis balls work? or do they snag on corners?
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I think you've been a bit rude Luke and should learn some manners. You claimed this was a system with a picture which implies an explanation- and it wasn't.
Did you mean that there is a varistream pump and battery inside the van, but you can't see them? Are there one or two varistreams for the two reels? How does the splitter work?
Did you mean the di can't be seen because it is done pre van tank because you have a tap tds of 34 and don't need an RO or a holding tank?
I've got side doors but not the wit to use them?
Squeaks now that you've told me your van was 15k with a four hundred pound system inside i'm well impressed.
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Mr Solubility , i m strugglin to to work out if you really are that much of a tit , or if its the fact that you have a really pants sense of humour ?
Personally i think your a tit , luke has done very well to have his set up so good so soon , this took me 2 years to get done , do you want to pick me to bits also ?
Rich P @ F
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thats a nice system too. your all making me jelous :'( :'( ;D ;D ;D ;D
guys chill out we are all here to help eachother out
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Squeaks now that you've told me your van was 15k with a four hundred pound system inside i'm well impressed.
How could I have bought a system for 400 quid? ???
I wish.
Since when did I say that?
Try closer to a grand. ::)
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;D
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Blimey, you haven't even got a bulkhead between you and all that lot.
Wouldn't want to crash it! :o
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Blimey, you haven't even got a bulkhead between you and all that lot.
Wouldn't want to crash it! :o
i AM GUESSING YOU ARE AIMING THAT AT ME, TRY LOOKING IN THE PIC DRIVER IS PROTECTED ;) ALSO IT IS NOT THIN METAL NAT ;)
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Nice looking system that windowwashers but i would prefer a flat tank in that size,i wouldn`t want to put money on it being 100% safe,not matter how thick and big the bolts are it`s quiet high and at the end of the day it`s only as safe as the bolts holding it.I would always go for a low flat tank strapped and against a bulkhead in the future,if i were you i would get a bulkhead.
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That would not protect you at high speed,again it`s held together with bolts and screws,get a STEEL bulkhead for saftey.
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That would not protect you at high speed,again it`s held together with bolts and screws,get a STEEL bulkhead for saftey.
how is a bulk head fitted ??
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mine
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Once fitted it becomes part of the van and yes it`s held together with bolts but there not just there to look pretty like yours lol,the bulkhead is also shaped to absorb impact better.Take a look at the bolts holding your system in place,with that bulkhead you have those bolts represent your life in a high speed crash would you trust half a dozen bolts.
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That would not protect you at high speed,again it`s held together with bolts and screws,get a STEEL bulkhead for saftey.
how is a bulk head fitted ??
You can't fit it, it comes with the van.
It's part of the body.
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Once fitted it becomes part of the van and yes it`s held together with bolts but there not just there to look pretty like yours lol,the bulkhead is also shaped to absorb impact better.Take a look at the bolts holding your system in place,with that bulkhead you have those bolts represent your life in a high speed crash would you trust half a dozen bolts.
have you ever been in a crash ? as in head on ?
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My bulkhead is bolted into place with fairly small bolts. Pretty sure bulkheads are an optional extra that can also be purchased afterwards.
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Why,don`t you try it to shut us up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Why,don`t you try it to shut us up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
give me your van and I will have a go :P
Squeaky:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-TRANSIT-2000-ON-SINGLE-SEAT-BULKHEAD-BULK-HEAD_W0QQitemZ300183804040QQihZ020QQcategoryZ21654QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
if it is just bolted on ::) ::) ::)
NWH your van pic please
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P& F.
I was impressed with your photo. Your van was very clean, has stowage for poles, and for other cleaning bits in the box shown. The reel was prevented from moving by the steel sections attached to the floor. I hadn't seen this idea before.
I thought that your van was very well thought out and it allowed for versatility in the way you worked. You didn't explain it too well other than calling me a tit, but the photo itself is fairly self expanatory.
People who already have systems are looking for good ideas like some of the things shown in your pic. People who haven't want to learn- Lukes photo as it is shown lacks lots of things like a battery and DI.Possibly they are there but can't be seen, if this is the case then it should be explained.
If you want to discuss or compare systems then lets, if you just want to bragg about how much it costs like squeaky then that's okay too lots of people have tried to help him achieve more focus and given up. But don't post pants pictures, expect lavish praise, and accuse me of slagging off when I don't give it.
Jampot don't worry.
NWH some good points.
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I will learn from my mum how to upload pics and video soon,as for my van it`s as unsafe as yours lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I will learn from my mum how to upload pics and video soon,as for my van it`s as unsafe as yours lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I cant see how you can say it is unsafe from a pic to be honest.
it would have to rip the floor and every bolt out then go through the metal bars around seat first.
if you have a pic of your van email it to me and I will upload it for you.
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I think the point here is why are people jealous of other people's van interiors? ???
I'm certainly not.
I've got about 5 items in there and they're good quality.
That's all I need.
It's not all in straight or colour coded or got flashy stickers on.
But I can clean windows as well as anyone else.
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How much work have you lost this week LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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How much work have you lost this week LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
None.
How much frost have you had and not worked?
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I`ve only lost an hour or so this week.
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i lost a few hours, but made it up the same day, so all in all I lost no money
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Windowwashers please don`t take my comments to heart i`m only thinking of you when i talk about the saftey of your van,i am in no way jealous.
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Windowwashers please don`t take my comments to heart i`m only thinking of you when i talk about the saftey of your van,i am in no way jealous.
I am not taking them to heart at all m8, I find it amusing how you can say it is unsafe.
I am glad you are not jealous as that never gets anyone anywhere. ;)
I did my homework on the safety side hence why I dont use straps.
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And it`s nearly christmas. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Hey, lets have a debate about straps! What's wrong with them?
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Again a strap is only as strong as the hook in the van which secures it,you can have the strongest most heavy duty straps you can find but if you have a ring pull holding it in place you`ve had it.To strap a van properly they do say that you should still go through the floor,i`ve seen one done and the bloke had 4" cuts in the floor to feed the straps through,the part of the strap that was exposed to the eliments was covered in a protective cover to prevent it from rotting.I must admit with local driving and with the tank hardly ever full providing it`s flat most vans these days have strapping points which can cope providing like i say it`s not flat out motorway driving.
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Umm some of those upright tanks look pretty unsafe to me even though they are in a cage the force exerted on an upright must be incredible.
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In my opinion it looks good and that`s it,it`s how it`s secured that matters the most secure tank i`ve seen is the custom one`s that are the same shape as the back of the van that go round the wheel arches.
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Lets face it , i for one know that the straps holding my tanks in will not save me in a head on , they are 3 tonne rating , the tanks hold 425 L , i have a full steel bulk head , and im still not safe , but come on we have all seen the advert when the boy butts his mother and sits down again !
The weight of a baby elephant hitting you from behind is the weight of the average rear seat passenger with no seat belt on { im told }
Mr Solubility , i see right through you ;D
Rich P @ F
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You`ll never catch me buttin my mother,how dare you LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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safety cages behind drivers seat are an easy fit and are usually standard on scudos/dispatch/expert and many other fiat pug and citroen vans if yours has been removed they are a doddle to fit and easy to pick up at van dealers/breakers you would be suprised how many people take em out for some reason or another mines in the shed going back in next year when i put tank in but how effective they are i dont know
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@ NWH, that purefreedom cage that windowwashers has does not bolt simply to the floorpan, it goes around the chassis. Pure freedom guys know what they are doing, they are top engineers. That will be safe in an accident mate. I'd be more concerned about any bits, like the hosereels flying through your windscreen.
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Of course it`s bolted to the chassis i know that,i was taking for granted that people on this thread new that.It makes no difference if it`s bolted to the chassis,the chassis is the strongest part of the vehicle but it`s not the chassis that is protecting you is it it`s the bolts used it`s only BOLTED to the chassis,If i could use a welder and fabricate a frame would you call me an engineer.I`m not knocking them for what they make and how they look because they look good,this is the reason why ionic have had the crash test on there systems,it gives customers peace of mind.
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Of course it`s bolted to the chassis i know that,i was taking for granted that people on this thread new that.It makes no difference if it`s bolted to the chassis,the chassis is the strongest part of the vehicle but it`s not the chassis that is protecting you is it it`s the bolts used it`s only BOLTED to the chassis,If i could use a welder and fabricate a frame would you call me an engineer.I`m not knocking them for what they make and how they look because they look good,this is the reason why ionic have had the crash test on there systems,it gives customers peace of mind.
Oh I see now what you ment, true, it's like a chain is as strong as the weakest link. I'm sure they use the correct stuff though. Bolts can be B&Q bolts, but I'm sure they use aircraft grade bolts, and that sort of jazz.
btw, I'm pretty certain that even Ionics uses bolts, what else would they use. All depends on what kind of materials are used I guess.
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never have to many cones ;D
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Hey, lets have a debate about straps! What's wrong with them?
nothing wrong with them at this time I choose not to use them thats all.
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I've only got mine ratchet strapped down.
The point is this...
If you have an accident that it couldn't take, then it wouldn't matter what you'd done anyway.
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I've only got mine ratchet strapped down.
The point is this...
If you have an accident that it couldn't take, then it wouldn't matter what you'd done anyway.
lol your pic so much suit you ;) was answering a question squeaky ;D
Morning
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Why do the army, navy, air force, haulage companies, car transporters, seat belts all use straps but according to many "experts" (and i use the term loosely ::) ) they are unfit for securing a plastic tank?
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Why do the army, navy, air force, haulage companies, car transporters, seat belts all use straps but according to many "experts" (and i use the term loosely ::) ) they are unfit for securing a plastic tank?
Dave my thought on it are not the straps at all, it is what they are straped too that would alarm me, I may even use them in the future if need be, I have seen straps on tank secured to wood by a screw, to me thats highly dangerous, this is my point, and I was not having a pop at straps or people that use them, I just choose not to use them.
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On impact a bolt could snap pull through etc. but a strap woulb stretch quite a way before breaking therefore taking up a lot of the inertia out of the tank (load)
Thats why they are used on lorries etc, if it was more sequre they'd bolt the load down.
pur
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In a car crash seat belts will hardly move an inch from mounting points,but the seats in cars are bolted to the floor and in some cases can be ripped off of the floor completley and guess what there bolted down.
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In a car crash seat belts will hardly move an inch from mounting points,but the seats in cars are bolted to the floor and in some cases can be ripped off of the floor completley and guess what there bolted down.
Yea on a rusty floor. Otherwise no way man. And yes seatbelts do not move, they stretch to give you that extra inch, hence lowering the strain on the body. What is your point? How many 'bolts' do you think an airplane has? It's all up to the bolts used, and the way they fit it. End of story.
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In a car crash seat belts will hardly move an inch from mounting points,but the seats in cars are bolted to the floor and in some cases can be ripped off of the floor completley and guess what there bolted down.
no way man.
have you been smoking that funny stuff ;D ...sorry! :-[ ;)
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Did you just want to be the 100th poster on this thread lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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On impact a bolt could snap pull through etc. but a strap woulb stretch quite a way before breaking therefore taking up a lot of the inertia out of the tank (load)
Thats why they are used on lorries etc, if it was more sequre they'd bolt the load down.
pur
they are used on lorries to secure loads for speed IMO, I cant see them making different bolts for every different load they carry some how, can you imagine the driver saying hold on give me a hour or two I have to undo 100 bolts ::)
if bolts are not as secure why do they bolt seats down ? surely they would strap them down :-X
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Are those bolts tested to withstand a sudden impact,mainly those types of bolts that we would use to hold the tank in place are used for RSJ beams and such like,they are made to take loads yes but are they made to not snapped in a sudden impact when tons of pressure are put on them in a nano second,belts will stretch before the full force is put on them in a way acting as a spring.
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Let it drop NWH. My understanding of inertia says that you are correct, but some of the counter points are valid too.
Some of the upright tanks are death traps and clearly need a torsion bar between them and the bulk head, but everyone has their own opinions and those opinions in many cases are fixed.
My tank isn't that well secured either, and I haven't got protectacote. It does have many advanced features though.
One advanced feature on my system that I would like but haven't got yet is an electric motor rewind system for my reel. I keep hoping that some clever soul will have cracked this but as you can see from the standard of the posts calling me a tit etc I am not holding my breath
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Mr Solubility you can buy one of them reels tommorow if your nice to me,i can tell you how much and where,god this is so childish of me.I know this because i have been trying to source the same thing for a while. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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NWH tell me please regards the electric hosereel, I'd like one for Xmas too ;D
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Is Mr Solubility going to say sorry. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well I'll admitt i was a bit snappy with Luke at the begining of this thread.
And maybe I've come in once or twice and re-ignited interest, but joking aside I am interested in a better system. I like to my work to be easy and winding the reel back in when you work as fast as I am able to do with my hot and advanced system is a real chore.
If you have a lead NWH i would be very interested. I have noticed that your posts are very mature, incisive, and witty. ;D
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www.redashe.com if there to pricey let me know i`ve got someone else i can give you,if you want a 100m rewind reel they are quite expensive.
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Did you just want to be the 100th poster on this thread lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i was being humerous...know what i mean man ;)
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i said humerous not flirtatious :P
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Thanks. I had a look and was quite impressed, that is the sort of thing I want. The price doesn't matter (i'm a tit remember), but i'd want some sort of control. My hose often get's tangled and caught (yes even me with with super flexible hose because it's hot).So I don't want it wrapped round my ankle and pulling like mad.
IMO this is what this thread is about. If someone has a rewinding reel as part of their system that is a real advance. Lifting the reel in and out of the van for every job is just stupid.
So what's expensive for a 100m electic 12v rewinding reel?
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Sorry to but in on this love affair, but i have noticed several people on here have there reels mounted way inside the van so either they take it out to work or they have to clamber into the van to wind it in. I have mine mounted right up to the back doors so i can wind in stood at the back. I find i never need to take the reel out these days. :)
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Primitive.
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:)
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Sorry to but in on this love affair, but i have noticed several people on here have there reels mounted way inside the van so either they take it out to work or they have to clamber into the van to wind it in. I have mine mounted right up to the back doors so i can wind in stood at the back. I find i never need to take the reel out these days. :)
Mines at the back door too, but secured to the floor, because there is no way I'm lifting an Ionics stainless steel hosereel out with 130m of microbore as they weigh a ton. The hosereel is pricey, I agree, but it's my preferred choice, rather than the popular cheaper ones on sale which I'm not knocking either, simply because I use to store 250-300m of minibore on it for some regular jobs. Also, it's a lot more sturdy and easier/quicker to reel in the hose (because of the large diameter hosereel, so less turns on the handle), so less fatigue ;)
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Mines at the back door and is top of the range reel but it`s rubbish compared to them reels.
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How on earth do you guys lock the van then?!
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Pull the hose half way back round the reel when you`ve got enough length and feed it between the 2 doors under the rubber seal in the middle of the doors,very rarely i need to lock the doors 2 miles down a bumpy track.
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I run mine through a special hole i made through the floor then i can lock everything up and still pull the hose out to whatever i need.
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thats good
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awesome electric powered metal hose reels, thing il look into that!
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where do you get them yellow cones at the back from luke ( back meaning at the front of pic :-X , I now have about 8 signs that are rubbish and one that is great but cost £50.
The cones look great If possible can you get them with no writting on, as I tend to brand everything we have with logo's etc.
Ian
I liked those cones too. Just ordered the same two as in the picture for just under £40 all in from WCW