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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Captain Scarlet on September 09, 2007, 06:46:01 pm
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Omnipole and Andrews Water Treatment sell them including Zodi themselves. From Andrew they are £900 not incl vat. They run of a agas bottle as you can see in the picture.
(http://www.zodi.com/web-content/Images/Pro%20Images/5130.jpg)
So do any of you guys use one? If you do please tell me how you set it up and also what it cost to run, did you buy it from the USA or UK? Does it cause the microbore to kink more? Does the water stay warm after travelling down 100m of microbore not designed for insulation then up a 40 odd ft pole? Have you found it has improved the clean, or cut cleaning time? also how many days would you say you wouldnt have been able to work without it? thanks for any help, Luke
http://www.zodi.com/web-content/Consumer/zodiproshower.html
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I was also looking at this last night Luke after seeing the advert on EBAY with the van,they are used for showers that are used a lot by people who do a lot of camping etc,i think the biggest customer is the army.It heats water on demand,i would say you connect hose to after DI outlet and before hosereel,the guy is so impressed with hot water WFP he`s buying an ionics 1.
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yeah, had exactly the same train of thought as you, saw it on ebay with a systems, it was spelt wrong though! did a search and found the sight and realised andrew sells them and omnipole are one of zodis uk dealers, Luke
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I would go straight for a hot system,i`m going to next time.
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why NWH? Luke
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I am a bit of a doubting thomas on this one, not sure its going to help when below freezing or in rural areas. But by the sea and traffic wax etc could help. Only a few have a hot system and because of bias may not give a definetive reply as to whether its better. Keep meaning to try to set up a heated Webasto car windscreen washer. I know at £200 its only for small ammounts of water, but I can clean with small ammounts.
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Faster drying time,and it does dry faster with hot water.To initially get PVC up scratch,con roofs etc,notice how quickly it drys in the summer i want that for most of the year.
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Aye but its a lot of money and gas to get drip dry windows when 000 tds cold does the same thing
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I agree Jeff cold does the same thing but hot does dry quicker,i`ve had a demo.I would be interested to know how much it costs in gas etc,numptyody on here ever comments about running costs of the thermopure system although that could say that it`s not a huge amount.
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working at an average of £10 an hour ( some are below this, some are above ), you would have to work 90 ( 45 hours or 5 days at £20 per hour ) hours or 11 and a quarter 9-5 days to pay for the system not including fitting it in your van. So the question is, is it worth it. So to be worth it the hot water will have to save you more than 90 hours work to be worth it at 10 per hour, if you earn more then it will take less time to make it pay. But you also have the hastle of an extra thing to do at the job setup and gas bottles to buy. So will the winter lose you 90 hours of work? I doubt it, so this is a long term investement. It will only pay off after say 2 plus years. Or have I got this all wrong? Luke
ps. another way of thinking of it is, 90 £10 jobs, it will take 90 £10 jobs to pay it off no matter how fast you work!!!!
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Pity we couldnt have a co-operative purchase so that we could all try it for a week or two, do any suppliers rent one ?
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It will take 90 £10 jobs to pay it off and thats not including the units vat, delivery, and time installing it costs. Thinking of it this way makes me wonder is it worth it? Luke
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Or 9 £100 jobs :)
Or as the salesman said 1 £900 job and your in profit from day one ;D
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yeah so if you can do 2 £100 jobs per day, then its still 4.5 days of work. Luke
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working at an average of £10 an hour ( some are below this, some are above ), you would have to work 90 ( 45 hours or 5 days at £20 per hour ) hours or 11 and a quarter 9-5 days to pay for the system not including fitting it in your van. So the question is, is it worth it. So to be worth it the hot water will have to save you more than 90 hours work to be worth it at 10 per hour, if you earn more then it will take less time to make it pay. But you also have the hastle of an extra thing to do at the job setup and gas bottles to buy. So will the winter lose you 90 hours of work? I doubt it, so this is a long term investement. It will only pay off after say 2 plus years. Or have I got this all wrong? Luke
ps. another way of thinking of it is, 90 £10 jobs, it will take 90 £10 jobs to pay it off no matter how fast you work!!!!
£10 an hour luke, do you want a job I can pay yopu more than that m8
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Would having a gas bottle in your van not increase the cost of your van insurance as well
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I don`t care about initial outlay i`m talking about day to day costs.
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yeah I thought about that too, and you have to display a sticker. Windowwashers, so what if thats what I might work for, as it happens I don't but why should I put people down because of what they earn. It was an estimate of the average wc wage. My best mate is a wc and he doesnt earn that much, should I go and laugh at him and say "ha ha, I earn more than you, why dont you work for me". Infact my mate does well to be over minimum wage where I live! Luke
Luke my comment i think may have upset you, it was meant as a joke not as a dig my man if i offended you in anyway i am truly sry i never meant it that way.
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I have a thermopure system, and to be honest the only time i use it is on first cleans, only if i cant have access to the customers tap on the first clean. I didnt use it that much last winter, only when it was really cold. I really cant see that it makes that much difference.
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Still no replies as to how much they cost to run on a daily basis,i`m beggining to think theres no one on this forum that has one?
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Customers Tap? are you sure.
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It uses more diesel, but how much i really dont know. Yes i use a customers tap to clean first, then go back round to finish off with pure, only on first cleans.
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I know how to build a pro/diy hot water system for about £400. No need to spend thousands!!!!!
When I get my new van (next month I hope) I will then start working out EXACTLY where to mount and how to fit it in.
Very simple really. Im very very surprised no one else has thought of it or done it ::)
Hot water all the time ;)
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I know how to build a pro/diy hot water system for about £400. No need to spend thousands!!!!!
When I get my new van (next month I hope) I will then start working out EXACTLY where to mount and how to fit it in.
Very simple really. Im very very surprised no one else has thought of it or done it ::)
Hot water all the time
Please tell all of us on this forum how you intend to build a hot water system for £400. I'm intrigued as I built a DIY hot water system using the heat of the engine which I posted on here in a previous post if you do a search for it.
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I know how to build a pro/diy hot water system for about £400. No need to spend thousands!!!!!
When I get my new van (next month I hope) I will then start working out EXACTLY where to mount and how to fit it in.
Very simple really. Im very very surprised no one else has thought of it or done it ::)
Hot water all the time
Please tell all of us on this forum how you intend to build a hot water system for £400. I'm intrigued as I built a DIY hot water system using the heat of the engine which I posted on here in a previous post if you do a search for it.
Hi there, Wayne, I have looked through the 20 post you have made and no sign of your post that makes hot water m8????????
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Window washer:
Try under EasyClean
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Hi Wayne I remember your post :)
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What are the running costs? Would a gas bottle last all day? What do gas bottles that size cost?
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£20 per refill, and i think they would last ages. we have just filled up our gas bottle, lasted 2 years, i think we go well over 100 hours out of it, bbq patio heaters etc
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some1 was going to do a write up on on how to use the car /van rad system
did they do it ?? ??
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2 years????? seriously???
Was that in use every day?
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What are the running costs? Would a gas bottle last all day? What do gas bottles that size cost?
A gas bottle will last me 2 weeks!
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£20 per refill, and i think they would last ages. we have just filled up our gas bottle, lasted 2 years, i think we go well over 100 hours out of it, bbq patio heaters etc
So basically what you mean is it will last just over 2 weeks? ;D ::)
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this looks good for domestic, and only a £100, but unfortunatly they dont ship them outside the states
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x75/trainingacademy/31T323WKVVL._SS500_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Water-Demand-Portable-Heater/dp/product-description/B0009PURE0
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not every day,
bit of a pointless statement really, but why would you use it every day?
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Use a caravan hot water system, provides endless amounts of hot water for showers etc, and a bottle of gas lasts me ages.
And it won't cost you no where near a grand.
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my thermo uses one litre of diesel an hour or so it says in the book
you can buy and fit it yourself for about and grand from webasto uk
it also uses heating oil from the green tanks 20pence a litre !!??
so for hot or warm water which is much nicer too use dries quicker its not that much really
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spot on Jeff1,
The most cost effective set up is to buy a caravan gas water heater (something like a "De Morco) and link it to one of two 25ltr water containers mounted on a trolley with a booster pump if need be! and of course a 7 kg LPG gas canister!
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if holding gas on a van/ car you need to clearly have sign to state you carry said gas, and may also increase your insurance premium, just had to add that to cover all reading this. ;)
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I'm hoping to get the time at the end of the month to travel down and get a demo from 'Clearview Plus'. They told me over the phone that their Concept 2/0 Hot wash costs around £7.50 per week to use hot water full time.
Gary
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Use a caravan hot water system, provides endless amounts of hot water for showers etc, and a bottle of gas lasts me ages.
And it won't cost you no where near a grand.
I have to disagree with you there jeff (without me doing any proper research :-[)
So please prove me wrong!! ;D
But........ I was under the impression that these caravan/motorhome systems have tanks about 10L-16L and use gas to heat them?
But...... Most of them take 15-20mins to heat up to 70 degrees and if your using it for a big job the cold water will be feeding the tank as you use it and will not get a chance to heat up fully???
I may be wrong?? :-[
It would be ok on a small house where you would only use 10-16L of water to clean it and drive 20 mins to the next job and by then it's heated up and ready to use again.
Or is there a caravan/motorhome 12v gas water heater that heats it instantly as you use it?
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Use a caravan hot water system, provides endless amounts of hot water for showers etc, and a bottle of gas lasts me ages.
And it won't cost you no where near a grand.
I have to disagree with you there jeff (without me doing any proper research :-[)
So please prove me wrong!! ;D
But........ I was under the impression that these caravan/motorhome systems have tanks about 10L-16L and use gas to heat them?
But...... Most of them take 15-20mins to heat up to 70 degrees and if your using it for a big job the cold water will be feeding the tank as you use it and will not get a chance to heat up fully???
I may be wrong?? :-[
It would be ok on a small house where you would only use 10-16L of water to clean it and drive 20 mins to the next job and by then it's heated up and ready to use again.
Or is there a caravan/motorhome 12v gas water heater that heats it instantly as you use it?
Hi Matt
The system in my caravan is a carver,(can't remember the model number) if I jump in the shower it takes seconds to heat up, I can spend 20 minutes in there, and then the boss jumps in (not at the same time I might add ;D there's no room ;D ;D) I can tell you, it stays hot all the time without any cold spots.
My caravan is stored about 6 miles away, so if I remember next week, I'll pop in and get the model number, but the more modern ones are even better (i believe)
And to top it all I think the one I have, is only a 9ltr one? again this I will have to check,
but No way on this earth does mine take 15-20 minutes to warm up to a decent temprature, it is instant.
If you have the time, do some research and you should find even better ones than I have.
You would not be able to travel to your next Job while it heats up, I think its Illegal to travel with the gas burner switched on and in operation, you can't even have the pilot light alight while travelling and this is why you switch to battery when travelling.
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Cheers Jeff.
I know about the carver heaters.
My girlfriends dad has a brand new 6 berth motorhome and has always had caravans etc.
Even in his new one he has to turn the water heater on and wait 15-20min until it heats up. Its a 16L tank he has.
Im confused!!!
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The max temp for a Flojet 100psi is 60 degrees so you should not heat the water past that, the 35/40 psi is 40 degrees.
If you use 4mmID microbore it wont take as much heating ?
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Cheers Jeff.
Im confused!!!
Me too ;D
If mines faulty then its been faulty for four years now :o and it gets serviced every year?
I'll also check it out to see if its mains/battery operated. (I don't think it is though)
If your girlfriends dads is mains, then it should be instant without a doubt.
The modern ones are like the boilers for gas central heating, how long do you have to wait for hot water out of your tap?? just a few seconds and thats how long I have to wait for my shower or hot water in the sink.
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The max temp for a Flojet 100psi is 60 degrees so you should not heat the water past that, the 35/40 psi is 40 degrees.
If you use 4mmID microbore it wont take as much heating ?
60 degrees is very hot any way you wouldnt sit in a bath with water that hot.
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Cheers Jeff.
Im confused!!!
Me too ;D
If mines faulty then its been faulty for four years now :o and it gets serviced every year?
I'll also check it out to see if its mains/battery operated. (I don't think it is though)
If your girlfriends dads is mains, then it should be instant without a doubt.
The modern ones are like the boilers for gas central heating, how long do you have to wait for hot water out of your tap?? just a few seconds and thats how long I have to wait for my shower or hot water in the sink.
His is gas I think?
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Cheers Jeff.
Im confused!!!
Me too ;D
If mines faulty then its been faulty for four years now :o and it gets serviced every year?
I'll also check it out to see if its mains/battery operated. (I don't think it is though)
If your girlfriends dads is mains, then it should be instant without a doubt.
The modern ones are like the boilers for gas central heating, how long do you have to wait for hot water out of your tap?? just a few seconds and thats how long I have to wait for my shower or hot water in the sink.
His is gas I think?
Matt
Instantanious gas heaters are very popular now, Just glancing through the new screwfix catalouge and there is one in there. (for home use)
I think caravan store would know a lot more than I do on the subject.
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Jeff,
The instantaneous gas heaters are a brill idea but need to be 12v for a diy hot wfp?
Any ideas?
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USING THE HEAT FROM YOUR VEHICLES ENGINE TO HEAT YOUR WATER TANK BY MEANS OF AN INDIRECT CALORIFIER TANK:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=28395.0
Scroll down the page until you find the 2nd post by EasyClean (me under my old name before my computer hard drive had to be replaced)!
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think you'll find most caravans use 12v 10amp elec. to power the water heater. I've never heard any boiler power up when I turn on the hot water
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think you'll find most caravans use 12v 10amp elec. to power the water heater. I've never heard any boiler power up when I turn on the hot water
Why does mine work when not connected to battery or mains? just the gas, also has a pilot light window the same as the fridge.
Jeff,
The instantaneous gas heaters are a brill idea but need to be 12v for a diy hot wfp?
Any ideas?
No Idea Matt, to run all day from a battery, you would need a bank of batteries, for a days work.
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We have been selling various models since 2000 Andrews sells them on our behalf The setup for them works as follows :- You run the hose pipe to the area you are going to work and connect the heater between your pole and the feed hose pipe, in this way you dont get any drop in temprature, that would happen if you were running the hot water through a hose pipe from your van along the cold ground.
Hot water does make a very big difference when cleaning bird muck, or first cleans.
From October we may well begin to rent them out, as other trades we deal with have requested this.
The propane is a very efficent heating source and burns hotter than camping gas so the system is very efficent.
For the ultimate heating system though our deisel powerd unit is the most efficent and is regulated to operate at 60 degrees so their is no chance of overheating.
(http://www.omnipole.com/800%20HOT%20with%20chequer%20floor%20and%20outlets%201.jpg)
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How much will it cost to upgrade my essentially pure 500ltr upright,just a ruff price will do.And how long to fit and running costs per week.
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Are we allowed to talk prices on here?
Hope so! The complete deisel / 12 volt unit supplied and fully fitted, (this takes at least full day depending on how you are set up) costs £2500.00 + Vat this includes a seperate 100 psi pumping system with under bumper hot water outlet connector, onboard 12 volt supply, stainless steel underfloor exhaust and all electrics, 20 litre steel fuel tank - its a complete stand alone unit that takes the water feed from your existing water tank and returns exceess hot water back into your tank.
specification and image on link http://www.omnipoleshop.com/unitrader/shop/product/Deluxe_800_litre_Hot_System/260
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That looks a brilliant system!!!
Im doing a search on google just now for diesel water heaters or heat exchangers but not having much joy?
Where can you buy them???
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We can supply you a DIY set up, it would be wise to get an auto electrician to do the wiring, and care must be taken in fitting the exhaust system to ensure no gases return into the vehicle.
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Where is the nearest fitting center to tunbridge wells in kent.
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Croydon -
3 Hermitage Lane, London SE25 5HH
tel: 020 8405 6782
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If you rang up and wanted it done how soon could it go in.
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We usually work on a five day lead time for heaters.
So if you call tommorow it could probably be fitted Thursday or Friday next week.
Its best to call the workshops to get an exact day as I dont have a work schedule here.
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hi glynn
what sort of space does the unit take up in the van and could you also let me know what the running costs of the unit are.
Thanks
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Hi Trevor
The unit is 350mm high 350mm wide and 600mm long
It uses approxamatly 1 litre of diesel per hour in constant running mode, this can of course be red diesel which is much cheaper.
The unit has a 20 litre stainless steel tank built in and when the water temprature in the tank is reached the burner cuts out so fuel is not being used all the time, much the same as a central heating unit is not constantly running all the time it cuts in and out as the thermostat requires. I would estimate that it would cost about 40 - 50 pence an hour.
The great thing is that you could drive a few minutes to the next job and the water in the storage tank will still be hot even though the burner unit is not on.
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I didnt want to hijack the post but because of the interest I will give some more technical information.:-
The output temprature is preset to 120 degrees F (49 degrees C) this is varible but it is not advised that adjustments be carried out by DIY users. Internal mechanical adjustments should only be carried out if you have a wide working knowledge of boiler units.
The maximum flow is 4.5 litres per minute - the flow rate is controled by diverting water back into the main holding tank. The maximum flow allows up to three operators to use the system.
Temprature rise from input temprature is 65 degrees F (18.5 C) at 3 litres per minute - 52 degrees F (11 C) at 4.5 litres per minute.
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Please could you let me know a price for the heater unit on its own?
Matthew