Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: windowwashers on September 06, 2007, 11:54:35 pm
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any tips welcome, as i know full well i'm going to need them.
Do you do this the same time span ie 4 weekly and 8 is it the same price i'm hoping not.
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any tips welcome, as i know full well i'm going to need them.
Do you do this the same time span ie 4 weekly and 8 is it the same price i'm hoping not.
Ian
Once you get the hang of it, and you get upto speed, you will need to take on at least a third more work.
Unless your price's are already low, there is no need for a price increase, because you will be doing them much faster than you were trad.
keep them on the same time scale you do now.
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a clean or 2 before you change over, switch to GG3 and pure water in our bucket, its s.posed to help
the clean before you switch, wipe the frames with your cill cloth ;)
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I wrote a guide with a load of tips in it, here is the link to it on this forum,
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=41914.0
There is a much more uptodate copy kept on the Training Academy forum
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any tips welcome, as i know full well i'm going to need them.
Do you do this the same time span ie 4 weekly and 8 is it the same price i'm hoping not.
Ian
Once you get the hang of it, and you get upto speed, you will need to take on at least a third more work.
Unless your price's are already low, there is no need for a price increase, because you will be doing them much faster than you were trad.
keep them on the same time scale you do now.
woops i have been saying to customers there price is doubling and will be doing them less often (did say that it is not set in stone but all seemed happy to pay more and 99% of my prices are not in anyway low 1% makes very nice bacon and egg sandwich ;D
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woops i have been saying to customers there price is doubling and will be doing them less often (did say that it is not set in stone but all seemed happy to pay more and 99% of my prices are not in anyway low 1% makes very nice bacon and egg sandwich ;D
Wow! If they are happy with the price being doubled with you cleaning half as much i would stick with that. Double the money for half the work sounds fantastic.
You could always fill in the gaps with more work.
I was never quick trad but i used to work at £16 - £20 p/h. Most standard houses now take 1/2 the time wfp and large houses, vicarages, rectories etc are now done in 1/4 of the time.
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woops i have been saying to customers there price is doubling and will be doing them less often (did say that it is not set in stone but all seemed happy to pay more and 99% of my prices are not in anyway low 1% makes very nice bacon and egg sandwich ;D
Wow! If they are happy with the price being doubled with you cleaning half as much i would stick with that. Double the money for half the work sounds fantastic.
You could always fill in the gaps with more work.
I was never quick trad but i used to work at £16 - £20 p/h. Most standard houses now take 1/2 the time wfp and large houses, vicarages, rectories etc are now done in 1/4 of the time.
mark if you dont mind me asking what would you get now an hour? ( i will not tell anyone i promise ;)
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OK chaps, Im gonna show my ignorance here.
What is GG3 and why use it on the clean before switching to WFP?
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OK chaps, Im gonna show my ignorance here.
What is GG3 and why use it on the clean before switching to WFP?
GG3 is a cleaning liquid, you can buy it at any good stockist, ave used it in the past and when cleaning windows and is meant to not streak, when you put it in your water it does not leave bubbles (which did my head in) loads of peopl ehave said the same thing about gg3 so it must work when swopping over.
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mark if you dont mind me asking what would you get now an hour? ( i will not tell anyone i promise ;)
roughly double what i was trad. ;D
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Thanks for the GG3 info.
After thirty years you can get stuck in a rut. I've only recently discovered how good microfibre cloths are after joining this forum. The've made some of my leaded work a real pleasure to do, though I shall be going WFP very soon.
Mark
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Thanks for the GG3 info.
After thirty years you can stuck in a rut. I've only recently discovered how good microfibre cloths are after joining this forum. The've made some of my leaded work a real pleasure to do, though I shall be going WFP very soon.
Mark
30 years well done ;D this may put a spanner in the works, do you have a website yet?
by the way gg3 stands for glass gleam 3 there is also a mark 4 on this item from feedback 3 is the better one
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OK chaps, Im gonna show my ignorance here.
What is GG3 and why use it on the clean before switching to WFP?
GG3 is for soft water & GG4 is for hard water.
tony
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GG3 for soft water -- thus why its used in pure water
GG4 for hard water
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opppsss sorry macmac
i started to type my reply and left my PC for a bit, thus you have replied and i need not have bothered :)
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GG3 for soft water -- thus why its used in pure water
GG4 for hard water
ok well lost now as will anyone reading this post changing from trad to wfp.
I myself think i live in a hard water area (do not know as it comes out of the tap and does not say i'm hard) But i live in cambidge and from what i can gather it is a hard water area.
I have been always told gg3 is the best, now i am well confused, what is better for the change over (i am so glad i did not order that a min ago before checking back on here)
gg3 gg4 (is there a gg5?)
many thanks guys
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this may put a spanner in the works, do you have a website yet?
No I don't. I've never really felt the need for one. Though that could change of course.
For many years I've had all the work I need and to date my round has been self sustaining (word of mouth, referals etc). I don't want to overload myself with work I can't handle.
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this may put a spanner in the works, do you have a website yet?
No I don't. I've never really felt the need for one. Though that could change of course.
For many years I've had all the work I need and to date my round has been self sustaining (word of mouth, referals etc). I don't want to overload myself with work I can't handle.
if it does change you now have my web site address and im easy to talk to only speak plain english..
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Thanks. I may need it if I lose much work making the switch to WFP. Though I did pick up 5 new custies the other week purely by word of mouth. I told them all I was making the switch and all bar one were up for it. The remaining one needs to experience the result before we win her over as all she can see is the water being left. You can't seem to get some of them past the fact that the water doesn't stay there.
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Thanks. I may need it if I lose much work making the switch to WFP. Though I did pick up 5 new custies the other week purely by word of mouth. I told them all I was making the switch and all bar one were up for it. The remaining one needs to experience the result before we win her over as all she can see is the water being left. You can't seem to get some of them past the fact that the water doesn't stay there.
makes me laugh that they worry about a little water we are in the UK have they forgotton the wet weather we have had. the sky drops more than we do ;)
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GG3 for soft water -- thus why its used in pure water
GG4 for hard water
ok well lost now as will anyone reading this post changing from trad to wfp.
I myself think i live in a hard water area (do not know as it comes out of the tap and does not say i'm hard) But i live in cambidge and from what i can gather it is a hard water area.
I have been always told gg3 is the best, now i am well confused, what is better for the change over (i am so glad i did not order that a min ago before checking back on here)
gg3 gg4 (is there a gg5?)
many thanks guys
the best depends on your water hardness, i've tried both with tap tds of 90ppm & gg3 is the better for me.
IMO the whole "do windows with gg3 before switching to wfp" thing is a myth. when i used to use fairy i would trad a job one month then wfp it the next with no problem at all. still, today i trad some jobs then wfp them the next time or two & there is no difference either time.
tony
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im not sure on the myth bit
GG doesnt leave any residue behind, fairly leaves lanolin ( which is great for dishs, it leaves that Sqeak and a shine )
ive cleaned windows that have been does by WC'er using fairy, and you get a bubbley effect on the glass, i never got that with GG3
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You will get the bubbles when you use a mono brush,i used to use the vikan brushes and got hardly any bubbles at all due to the fact that the bristles are much much softer and don`t get into the seals aswell.I`ve since done window`s that i did with the vikan brush on say 10-12 times and then switched to a mono brush and had this effect,if window`s are cleaned using a mono brush from day 1 after a couple cleans or even 1 clean the soap residue will be gone,but i would say if you use a soft brush day in day out you`ll have more problems with soap residue.If you brush the sides of the window up and down the black seals on PVC window`s with a mono brush the soap residue will bubble up everywhere.
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Time to show my ignorance. Mono brush?? I'm in my third month of wfp and am using a vikan and a cleantech brush. Never had any probs with "bubbles" and am having great results.
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Both of those brushes that your using are very soft,every now and again you could have trouble with spotting due to the brush not removing all soap residue.If you use a mono brush ie ionics multipole brush you will definitly see soap coming out of the seals,this is not a bad thing as you`ll know your removing the soap from the rubber seals.I`m not saying your not getting good results but i find that a slightly stiffer mono brush does a better job overall.I find the softer brushes good on maintenance cleans ie regular.
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NWH, Thanks. Everyday a little learning ;D
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NWH, Thanks. Everyday a little learning ;D
Feen, your vikan is a mono', it means monofilament, i.e. the ends of the bristles are not split/frayed.
I use mono vikan & still do not have soap coming out of the seals, if it does then i dont see it or it's gone in a matter of seconds.
Maybe i'm just the best window cleaner in the world 8)
tony
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NWH, Thanks. Everyday a little learning ;D
Maybe i'm just the best window cleaner in the world 8)
tony
maybe the second :P
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NWH, Thanks. Everyday a little learning ;D
Maybe i'm just the best window cleaner in the world 8)
tony
maybe the second :P
Poles drawn at dawn ;D
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maybe your 2nd and 3rd coz i thought i was no 1 but i stand to be corrected
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maybe your 2nd and 3rd coz i thought i was no 1 but i stand to be corrected
macmac i think we have another contender for the poles at dawn m8
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maybe your 2nd and 3rd coz i thought i was no 1 but i stand to be corrected
macmac i think we have another contender for the poles at dawn m8
We'll have to arrange a squirting fight, quick, let me find those 20mm pencil jets out! ;D
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perhaps, as I was using a mono and didn't know it and was getting good results, I'm a contender too :D :D :D
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maybe a jousting contest
I'll be on the back of my west highland terrier complete with carbon facelift in hand! ;D
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I'll be on the back of my west highland terrier complete with carbon facelift in hand! ;D
LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D
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maybe a jousting contest
I'll be on the back of my west highland terrier complete with carbon facelift in hand! ;D
That could be classed as unfair advantage, as it may get stuck in my dogs throat, would get a free pole though so that could be a bonus ;D
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USE THE WESTIE AS AN APPLICATOR
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USE THE WESTIE AS AN APPLICATOR
thats a great idea :D