Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: *thomas james on January 09, 2007, 06:20:15 pm
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I think ALL poles no matter what make, and if carbon or fibreglass should be available to buy on their own,
Gaz
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i cant think of anything worse!!!! adapting such an excellent pole to stick that rubbish on the end of it is just crazy! ;D ;D ;D
it's like putting cooking oil in a ferrari. :P
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I think ALL poles no matter what make, and if carbon or fibreglass should be available to buy on their own,
Gaz
Spoken like a true brush salesman. ;D ;D ;D
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i disagree with you there mate the face lift brush is ok but i have had to change one of my face lift poles because when doing small sash an case windows we have found that it very akward to get in to the corners an up underneath the top sash ect so thanks to this atachment it was possible for us to change one of our poles.
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I think the Facelift brush is superior to all others, other then when needing to get up under that sash.
Its superb for commercial for sure. I have switched to the Vikan on my residential pole though.
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Pole manufacturers/retailers can of course decide to sell the pole anyway they wish to! They have invested the money and time developing so if they decide that's the way to develop it then that's their choice.
As a consumer though it has always been very annoying!! Which is why when we started supplying we always have offered the opportunity to buy poles on their own, or in varying degrees of 'build'.
Alex Gardiner
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joking apart, i've only ever used the oval vikans which are a total no-go for under sash windows.the new rectangular one does look ok though. i agree about the small sash window problem as the facelift is 14" i too can't get it into small ones. however, on bigger sashes it's great, not had one drip/smear or anything from under a sash since using this brush, with the oval vikans this used to be a nightmare, very often had to go up ladder to scrim smears off and get into corners.
i'm looking for a 10" brush for the facelift pole ( must be equivalent or better than the standard brush) so does anyone have any recomendations? Alex? :D
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I've used every brush available and even had a wee go with the facelift - didn't think the pole was that good (not for the money) and the brush was simply awful - gaz's brushes are much much better, don't be afraid to try, I promise you you won't go back.
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will have to try one of these gaz brushes.
Jm- the money dont come into it for me (pole), compared to what i had before i would happily pay double it's retail price if i had to and replace it every year if needed. the facelift carbon pole and brush has given me a new lease of life! perfect results every time, job done so much quicker, so light and easy to use- the bennefits go on......
to me (personaly) the pole and brush are worth there weight in gold. ;D ;D
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so the dodgy clamps don't bother you? I'm not trying to say its not a good pole - it is, but I reckon its well over-priced for all it is, and its not even much lighter than other lightweight carbon poles.
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i cant realy comment jm as i'm honest, i always tell it as i see it, my experience. if its crap i'll say it's crap, if it's good then say it's good.
so this is my personal view, i have never used another carbon pole so i cant compare it to one. i'm not suggesting its the best pole in the world to anyone, but it is to me. havent had a problem with the clamps yet, what should i expect??
i agree its expensive but even if it was 2k i still wish i had started with one 3 years ago instead of struggling with a 40ft fibreglass pole. :D
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so the dodgy clamps don't bother you? I'm not trying to say its not a good pole - it is, but I reckon its well over-priced for all it is, and its not even much lighter than other lightweight carbon poles.
What dont you like about the clamps?
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so the dodgy clamps don't bother you? I'm not trying to say its not a good pole - it is, but I reckon its well over-priced for all it is, and its not even much lighter than other lightweight carbon poles.
What dont you like about the clamps?
I'll be after an 18 foot light (rigid) pole soon and would like to hear about these clamps too. I won't name the source but I heard that the clamps break far too easily. I would appreciate hearing some personal experience of this (rather than hearsay). Anyone used Facelift poles and had broken clamp problems?
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I have not seen a Facelift but I had this reply as a person to person comment so cannot say and will not discuss who sent it, in very early December. I have held it back for some time.
"The pole is nice and light but has two problems. The clamp levers are thin plastic and snap very easily, we have supplied several poles to customers and each time have had to supply spare levers - to the point of supplying 18 levers for one pole to an overseas customer. The brush heads look good but are probably the worst in the industry in use.
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i have had 1 broken clamp and the r dear to replace
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I personally have been using the poles for 6 months and supplied many of them here in the US and have not had any complaints. All I have heard about the clamps is how people seem to really like the design. They dont get snagged in trees, on gutters, etc.
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after reading these comments i've been and had a closer look at the clamps and leavers on my 44ft facelift carbon. to be totally honest it's hard to see just how these clamps or leavers could break unless they were very badly missused. if however mine do break within 12 months of purchase i'll be staight on to facelift to try and get them to sort it out (for free) (sale of goods act & all that?).i've been using it solid for about 3 months now and had no problem at all with any aspect of the pole or brush, if i do, however, i'll report on this forum right away. to hear people say that the brush is rubbish actually makes me very happy because i think its brilliant, the best brush i have ever used, so, i'm pleased to know that i can get a better brush and make my work even quicker & easier. i also hope that there are better poles out there too for the same reason.
I value everyone's oppinion on this forum, this way we all end up better off, with better products. as you can tell i'm over the moon with the facelift, but as soon as that changes ( if at all it does) i'll be completely honest & report any such problems. ;D ;D ;D
regards
tony
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ive got 3 facelift poles 2 gf and 1 carbon and i love the clamps been using them for over a year and am very happy
gary
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Ive heard a lot of good reports about facelift poles but some people dont like the brushes
I think the clamps are quite an important factor as i am on my second set on my ionics ergolite pole >:( in under a year :o
I will be going to the nec show and will have a look at them all closely
Brett
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Ive heard a lot of good reports about facelift poles but some people dont like the brushes
I think the clamps are quite an important factor as i am on my second set on my ionics ergolite pole >:( in under a year :o
I will be going to the nec show and will have a look at them all closely
Brett
hi brett
you are based in nottingham facelift are based in chesterfield , why dont you call in and see danny he will show you the poles and answer all your questions.
gary
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Ive heard a lot of good reports about facelift poles but some people dont like the brushes
I think the clamps are quite an important factor as i am on my second set on my ionics ergolite pole >:( in under a year :o
I will be going to the nec show and will have a look at them all closely
Brett
hi brett
you are based in nottingham facelift are based in chesterfield , why dont you call in and see danny he will show you the poles and answer all your questions.
gary
Hi Gary
yes i thought about that but with the show just around the corner im going to look at all the poles but facelift is my favourite at the moment. Not in any rush at the minute just replaced the clamps on my ionics
Thanks for your help
Brett
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sorry, maybe my post was a little to general - I have had a couple of the facelift poles in to repair (not supplied by us), both poles had broken a clamp (top clamp on one and 3rd clamp on another), anyway, while they are light poles, they certainly didn't seem to be that strong, both customers had brought the poles to me to replace the clamps for standard pole clamps, took a little bit of work to change them but we got it done both times. I really didn't feel like the poles were worth anything near what they cost - we had previously debated stocking them - we won't now, on examination we don't feel they are worth the money and I certainly don't feel they compare to the Brodex range we stock, hence why we stock the brodex poles and not the facelift.
Don't get me wrong, the facelift is a good pole, way better than exel universal, but not nearly as good as the Brodex range in terms of quality or value for money.
Please don't take offence at this as I'm not disputing how good the facelift poles are - just feel that for the money you don't get a lot.
Sorry.
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JM123
What are the various sizes that Brodex makes in cf?
What are the weights and what are the prices?
Thanks.
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I'll e-mail you the list tomorrow, need to compile it for you.
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I found their webpage. Doesn't list the weights of the poles.
They look alot like the Ionics poles.
What is different about them?
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Not allowed to put in links to the cleaning pros site so please excuse a lot of info in this reply. Here are some comparison weights I have been collecting that you may find helpful in your quest.
To shortly go in the A_Z
Unger Alu poles approx weight, X 6ft Goose neck/elbow 6 oz Brush 13oz (28cm)
culmanative
1 sect. 11 oz .312kg
2 sect 1lb 1 lb 11 oz .765kg
3 sect 1 lb 6 oz 3 lb 1oz 1.39 kg
4 sect 1 lb 12 oz 4 lb 13 oz 2.18 kg 24ft
5 sect 2 lb 6 lb 13 oz 3.09 kg 30ft
6* 2 lb 8 oz 9 lb 5 oz 4.22 kg
7* 2 lb 8 oz 11 lb 13 oZ 5.35 kg
6&7 are made up DIY sect consisting of double ended poles. In use the pole becomes unusable about 40ft due to whip.
Ergo lite Carbon fibre X 8ft approx weight. Pole only
1 sect 1 lb .455 kg
2 sect 1 lb 2 oz 2 lb 2 oz .964 kg
3 sect 1 lb 5 oz 3 lb 7 oz 1.56 kg 24ft
4 sect 1 lb 8 oz 4lb 15 oz 2.34 kg
5 sect 1 lb 11 oz 6 lb 10 oz 3kg
6 sect 1 lb 14 oz 8 lb 8 oz 3.86 kg
7 sect 2 lb 10 lb 8 oz 4.72 kg
8 sect 2 lb 12 oz 13 lb 4 oz 6.01 kg
Facelift (inc pipe gooseneck and brush)
19ft 3 sect 2.24kg glassfibre
24ft 4 sect 2.84
29ft 5 sect 3.38
34ft 8 sect 4.12
34 6 sect 3.08 carbonfibre
44ft 8x6 5.07
54ft 6x8+2x4 7kg
Featherlite Fishing Polepole
7 sect 29ft 2lb 7oz/1.3kg http://d.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=194
15sect 63ft 6lb 2.82kg Inc brush,adjustable elbow.
Now comes with insulated adjustable mid sections to protect against shock.
UNGER Carbon Tec provisional weights, thanks to Chris
goose neck and 16 inch brush weighed 2 pounds and 1 section weighed a little under 2 pounds so 10x 6ft 60ft pole sections weigh 20lbs + brush assembly= 22lbs/9.9kg
PureO2 Diamond Back pole
£101.21 for 5.75ft section
£78.71 for 3.4ft section
£63.71 for 1.85 ft section
£71.21 for brush head
£5.21 for valve connector
multi pole by Ionics 30ft £189.95 + vat 4.95kg with ionics brush I think brush is extra
BRUSH WEIGHTS - Sill brush
So the Vikan is 555gm
Mr Longarm is 540gm
Kingfisher is 530gm
BRUSH WEIGHTS (thanks to Martyn T)
Vikan standard 10" 1lb 1oz / 475g
Vikan hi-lo 10" 1lb 6oz/ 620g
R & W Residential 12.5oz/ 350g
R & W commercial 1lb .5oz/ 450g (with gooseneck as wont come off)
All weights approx as using best guess analogue display kitchen scales (cheap) .
Under 7oz is incredible, guess i've got a lot of drilling to do, trouble is theres not much of a gap between bristle clumps to target.
Omnipole Dual trim. Omnipole 30cm double trim which weighs 370gm (just the brush, no jets etc.).
Also this Omni reply from Glyn Howard
Several requests have been made regarding the weight of poles,backpack and trolleys.
so here are the weights of Omnipole kit, as you will see the Aircraft alloy PowerPoles are lighter than the carbon fibre equivilent lengths.
PowerPoles
12' 2x 6'=1.2Kg
18' 3 x6'=1.9Kg
24' 4x6'=2Kg
30' 5x6'=3.3 Kg
36' 6x6'=4.2Kg
48' 6x8'=5.5Kg
Carbonfibre poles
48' 6x8'=6.5Kg
60'1x6'4x12'1x6'=7Kg
Fibreglass Poles
12' 2x6'=1.4Kg
24' 4x6'=2.9Kg
Brush head with 12" gooseneck,and all fittings =1Kg
Omni Back pack empty =5.5Kg -full =21.5Kg
Omnitrolley 50 empty =27Kg -full=77Kg
Omnitrolley 125 weight to follow
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Hope this helps.