Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: geefree on November 03, 2006, 11:10:19 am
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Hi
been practising on my house with wfp and pure water,
it leaves my windows dirty , like its been pouring with rain......
i swapped all the water over in my backpack to ordinary tap water... to see the difference....
first washed with tap water, then two hours later pure water...
exactly the same.
filthy.
any ideas lads, as i cannot go near a customers house until i have sorted this....
plenty of attempts and always the same,
.. dirty windows..
i might add that i was led to believe it would run down the windows in a sheen like fashion,
it doesnt... and it dries the same as ordinary water, with lots of speckles of water all over the glass, drying where it is and staining.... much the same as if i had turned the hosepipe on it.
the pure water reads 000.
gary.
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for windows that have not had pure water on them before.....
scrub rinse scrub rinse do it 3 times or more...
No not all windows sheet 30% of my jobs dont sheet.
just keep rinsing left to right top to bottom, then when you have done all these leave and come back to check on them...
you will get better
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Gazza I agree with that.
Cant over emphasise the importance of rinsing.
As for the text message I dont know where you can get the blue tubing but someone on here will.
Mine came with the poles and trolley which I got from Cleantech so it may be worth giving them a call.
I had the same problem with the Ionics pole,it came with black tubing and my 60 psi pump wasnt strong enough to push the water through.Fortunately I had some of that blue tubing left and swapped it over then it worked fine. ;)
Stick at it mate and keep rinsing.
By the way do you know anyone round our area with a triple ladder I could borrow for a day.We have 3 gutter cleans and my double just wont reach.
Cheers :)
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petski i have got a tripple ladder you can use. but i want it back in three pieces :D email me if u need it
ste
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Hi Ste thanks for that m8.
Your email address is hidden.
We have the gutter cleans next Thurs or Fri.
Morley is only 10 mins from me.
It would be great if we could pick em up next Wed.
My email is peteriley@fsmail.net.
Thanks again. :)
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Firstly check your water out of your brush head is 000
make sure you are cleaning the frames as well and try not to get water on the bricks/wall above window as this will contaminate the water
rince from top to bottom + side to side and brush again and rince again
There is a video of matt cleaning a window using wfp i will try and post it on here (if im aloud) ??? ???
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Try this
http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/mattie132/?action=view¤t=PICT4589.flv
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Good for newbies to WFP if you do it like that there is no way you can get spots unless the water is not right.
I like that auto brush shame i can't use them on my powerpole.
Paul
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Try this
http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/mattie132/?action=view¤t=PICT4589.flv
I've just watched this link. Mattie is doing much, much more than is required for such a simple pane of glass.
It would've been quicker to soap and squeegie it from an A-Frame ladder.
If it was a regular WFP maintenance clean, he could just wash the once and rinse the once and I bet it would look just the same.
Anyway, I think Gazza's problem is the soap residue left behind from trad cleans.
Yesturday, I converted fifteen tiny council houses over to WFP for the first time. I had usually used ladders, since these houses only have two upstairs windows (one front and one back), so I used ladders.
Anyway, despite using my WFP for over 14 months, I still found runs and spots on two windows I checked, and I was really carefull too; though most were fine.
I know I won't have the same problem next month, since the soap will be gone.
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Good for newbies to WFP if you do it like that there is no way you can get spots unless the water is not right.
I like that auto brush shame i can't use them on my powerpole.
Paul
Hi paul.
Had the same problem as i run Tucker, i think it was Gaza who said about a numatic trigger on the pole, it works fantastic.
Macc
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I though about the trigger but i can see i would break it in no time putting it inside my pole holder.
Paul
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THANKS
i WILL TRY ALL THOSE THING OR WATCH FOR THEM....
I NEED SOME BLUE PIPE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE POLE NOW,
DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK PLEASE,
oops didnt realise i was shouting :)
i went out with it today did 5 houses anyway..
i washed frames , rinsed them.. then glass.... lots of times so fingers crossed
.... i want a vikan brush and a gooseneck which petski so kindly borrowed, cheers for that bud.
also with the backpack my trigger was on the floor all the time as when connected to the hose ,... the connection is next to the trigger at the end of the black pipe from the backpack... so i need to do some engineering work ... oh its all good fun tho, ::)
gary.
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Mate, i can break anything, had mine on 6 months & still like new.
Give it a go. ;)
Macc
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Just watched that link. :o
I'm sure the guy has learned a lot since doing it.
The only good thing was the flow of water!
He started in the middle of the window and after washing the window proceeded to wash the top frame! He should have done that first, then the side frames, then the glass, then rinse.
I'm not fast and I don't try to be, but I can easily do about 8 similar windows in that time
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Hi
been practising on my house with wfp and pure water,
it leaves my windows dirty , like its been pouring with rain......
i swapped all the water over in my backpack to ordinary tap water... to see the difference....
first washed with tap water, then two hours later pure water...
exactly the same.
filthy.
any ideas lads, as i cannot go near a customers house until i have sorted this....
plenty of attempts and always the same,
.. dirty windows..
i might add that i was led to believe it would run down the windows in a sheen like fashion,
it doesnt... and it dries the same as ordinary water, with lots of speckles of water all over the glass, drying where it is and staining.... much the same as if i had turned the hosepipe on it.
the pure water reads 000.
gary.
Give the frames a good scrubbing with pure water (especially above the frames) along with the glass. Use LOTS of water. Go around later with pure water. Use LOADS of the stuff. If it isn't any better, try rinsing with the brush OFF the glass. It will come right. Some windows just need more cleans than others before they come up well.
Don't skimp with the water though. Use plenty of it for the first few cleans even though the quantity will seem ridiculous.
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Did you guys miss the point that tha video was of a First clean, If not I must be over doing it as well ???
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That link was useful but it didn't make it clear that it's a good idea to wait a while for water to run down from the top of the frame and then follow up with a glass only clean.
In reality you don't wait, You just go around having scrubbed all the framework and glass all over on every window and by the time that's done, it's usually ready to take the second pass.
I virtually do the job twice on first cleans but only usually charge 50% more.
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A question for you Gazza. Do you have windows with vents above the frames as these can cause problems with water running down from the vents for ages afterwards.
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thats way too slow for an initial clean - I can honestly say I can do 3 similar windows (initial clean) in that amount of time
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Enough to put me off wfp that is!
I'd have done at least 3 or 4 in that time.
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Anyone else in West Yorks area got a triple ladder I could borrow.
Cant get in touch with Ste.
Thanks :)
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I may be way off course here but its not your frames by any chance?
If you have powder coated aluminium frames you will get white spots no matter what your TDS reads.
Rub the frame with your finger. If white powder comes off thats what it is. Did the water come off the frames looking milky?
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Enough to put me off wfp that is!
I'd have done at least 3 or 4 in that time.
I'm with Squeaks on this one! :o
That clip was overkill in a big way, if I took that long, even on a first clean I'd jack it in! :o
A single pane of that size on a first clean should be done in no more than 20 seconds....which is slower than it would be done trad admitedly, but first time cleans with WFP are usually slower than trad anyway.
But as for Gary's problems....
It may well be the frames that are causing the problem as Vince says, but it wouldn't necessarily have to be powder coated frames for that to happen.
if they are oxidising you may get problems. period.
Try them again, make sure your brush is very clean, the vikan broshes are flocked bristles, many use them without a problem, but they are also the brushes most likely to keep hold of contaminants.
Wash just the glass, don't go overboard (as in that video clip) if the frames are the problem, excessive washing will only draw more muck off them.
Just do the glass, finishing with downward strokes and then carefully rinse off the glass, directing the jets accurately so you are not flooding up into any gaps that may be between frame and glass.
Before you unleashed yourself on your customers you should really have practised on some family and friends houses first.
If nothing else you would have gained a little experience on different types of windows, and also as you would be doing them for free and they are people you know, there would be no pressure on you, you could take your time, check your results, go back over bits and so on.
But on your own windows they may simply be ones that will never come right with WFP, it happens, you just have to accept the fact that sometimes WFP just isn't suitable...
So therefore when you get accounts that are like this, you either do them trad or do the upstairs WFP and downstairs Trad and tell the customer that is the way it has to be from now on.
Ian
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Ste got in touch with me so the ladder is sorted. :)
Another example of window cleaners helping each other.
About 2 years ago Ste came out with me to see me using wfp for a day and decided to get one.
Having remembered that he is kindly lending me his ladder.
You see it does pay to get on with other window cleaners.
:)
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you havent got them yet pete. ;D... will ask around too