Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: D.Salkeld_Ltd on October 05, 2006, 06:56:11 pm
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Hi All,
I would like to say I have a lot of respect for Squeeky.
By the looks of him (In the Photo Album thred - non cleaning related stuff!) He seems a fit young man and works simply and hard. He has honed his round down to jobs he can do well and earns a tidy income so simply.
When he starts to find the job hard work he might consider WFP but he's not a daft as us - he's learning by OUR mistakes so by the time - iff - he goes WFP he'll be able to set up a simple inexpesive and efficient system by all he has leaned fro OUR problens.
Keep it up Rog!!
David
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Wait until the guys come on lol.... and squeaky.... this should be good :D
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Most WFP guys are trad guys too. This is often forgotten. I would never WFP my old folks bunglows for example. I can do them just as quick trad, and they are in no danger from slipping on wet floors. I also trad most of the bottoms if I can reach them from the floor. I cannot do patio doors any quicker using WFP, by the time I have rinsed them and mopped the water from the channels I am quicker trad.
I can fly through the tops with WFP though, that's why I use it. Dai
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He seems a fit young man and works simply and hard. He has honed his round down to jobs he can do well and earns a tidy income so simply.
David
Yes, we all love the old fashioned George Formby stereotypes. I think there's a statue of one in London.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/statue_with_ladder-52474.jpg)
How quaint! ;D
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He hasn't got red permed hair though ;D ;D ;D
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Hes a bit of a pretty boy, :-*
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Sorry to disagree with you David.
The way I was brought up Respect is only given to those who have earned it.
My W/c mentor who taught me the ropes 27 yrs ago gets my respect for the advice he has given me over the years. From how to clean windows to a high standard, to running w/c as a Profitable Business. He is still Trad out of choice and I have no gripes with him at all about it.
He never slags wfp off because he does not have an indepth knoweledge of what its like day in day out because hes never used it.
Squeaks on the other hand slags wfp off on a forum without an indepth knoweledge due to resullts hes seen or heard of. When hes been issued a fair challenge by Ian Giles to compare trad and wfp he has just made Excuses. The challenge was made because of the constant Criticism of wfp by Squeaks.
If he truly beleived in the things he posts about he would of jumped at the challenge. His lame excuses spoke volumes in my book. When I think of Squeaks I also think of hot air Ballons for some reason.
I dont want you to think I am being nasty because I am not that sort of bloke. I am trying to give an open and honest opionion on why I cant give Squeaks respect for some of his posts.
It does not matter to me if someone stays Trad. For goodness sakes I was trad long enough myself and I am still doing a little bit trad and I allways will.
At the end of the day if you had put the topic on who deserves the most Respect for thier help and informative posts and good reads on the forum,my vote would go to Ian Giles.
No offence intented Squeaks its just my observations. I dont want to use the forum to attack anyone cos thats what its not here for.
Nel.
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Yes, we all love the old fashioned George Formby stereotypes. I think there's a statue of one in London.
How quaint! ;D
Hi Tosh,
It is in London and a very nice statue to, it looks alot bigger in real life. The guy is looking up at a very tall building with hes small point.
ProPole
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Hi Tosh,
It is in London and a very nice statue to, it looks alot bigger in real life. The guy is looking up at a very tall building with hes small point.
ProPole
Pro Pole,
Obviously some thought was put into making this statue; and I think it's good.
What do you think he's meant to be thinking?
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Tosh,
I dont know much about the actuall statue but I assume it was put in after or for the building that it was erected in front of. This tells me hes looking up at it with his wee ladder thiking "how the hell am im gonna clean that"
He is epitmy of our good and age old industry,
ProPole
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It's based loosely on the George Formby song
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I'm here now. ;D
Cheers David, nice to know someone understands how I'm happy enough with the technique I use.
Yes, one day I may end up with a pole system.
But like you say, it's purely through being fed up of climbing, and getting bored of the job - it's a new job in a way.
At the moment I can't see the point in giving myself extra tasks before and after work. :)
When hes been issued a fair challenge by Ian Giles to compare trad and wfp he has just made Excuses. The challenge was made because of the constant Criticism of wfp by Squeaks.
Nel.
The reason I can't see the point in these silly "challenges" is because that wouldn't reflect an average job.
He's hardly likely to leave it anything but perfect is he? And nor am I, but we may make mistakes the rest of the time.
You're never going to have anyone suggest they're as "proffessional" as you, so I don't know why I respond to you....
Can't even spell your name right. Neil. ::)
Rg.
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You're never going to have anyone suggest they're as "proffessional" as you, so I don't know why I respond to you.... Quote from Squeaks.
What?
I know of many proffessional w/c, Some are freinds and others who I have met and worked with.
There are proffesional w/c on this forum. I looked at a pic of Propoles van on the forum today and I was very impressed with how proffessional it looked. It looks more proffessional then my van as I still have not got it signwritten.
Their are others on this forum who will run their w/c buisness in a more proffessional maner then mine. I am not that bigheaded nor do I think that my buisness is run better then everyone elses.
My buisness is run to make a profit whilst giving my customers a first class service. I know of one lad whos 20yrs old who runs an old astra van on vegtable oil, He earns £50 an hr on domestic work with a cheap wfp system. I have the upmost respect for him and the proffesional way he runs his w/c round.
His dad is still a Trad w/c, just short of 30 yrs experince. His dad earns £20 an hr, what he earns in 5 days his son gets in less then 2 days.
The reason for that his son his open to knew ideas, ie clean windows with wfp instead of trad w/c. Plus hes very fit and fast.
I know which one of the farther and son who is the more proffesional.
nel. ;D
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Hi Rog,
You know I like you. ;)
You do stand up to it all. Better than I would. I started w/c 20 years ago this Nov.
I was 32. After w/c a year, I would have been your age, but I'm sure I didn't have your intellect, confidence or experience.
I was happily married with 3 kids though, so different experience.
I think a lot of us like you because you remind us of us!
I took a pride in my job.
Over the years I have had a few work for me and with me, I have always taught them, that when it comes to something like window cleaning, the omly way we can get the edge on the competition is by doing a better job, being more reliable and trustworthy. Forget price challenges. I read your posts, you read like you have them sussed.
If I had the health I had when I was 32 then I would stay trad.
But as you know, my knees are cream crackered after 19 years ladder work, and believe me it was the ladder! But my biggest problem? Heart attack, at 49. Out of the blue, not particularly overweight, not much exercise outside work, but, mum and dad both had heart probs, so....
Doctor told me not to go back climbing ladders, seek alternative work, more sedentary. What would you do? Then they found I had Diabetes!
I think we've all got it!
I'm 52, I want to live, I need to make a living, I have no money. What do I do?
Come on Rog, what would you advise?
I think you would say..exactly what I have done...
"Do what you know, cleaning windows the easier way, wfp!
No ladders, light physical exercise, earn a living, not scrounging off the State.
Give me your honest reply?
Let me just add, when I was 32, I thought 52 was still ok. It can be, but it may not be. No-one has control of these things.
I hope guys in Squeaky's position read this
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I think you are talking about your son Neil
I also think you sign 'Nel', because your name breaks the grammar rule: "I before E except after C"
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No its not my son. I wish my son had this lads go in him though.
I am helping my son build up a round but hes a bit on the lazy side. I have allready sacked my son once and told him their is no way I would work with him if he was not my flesh and blood.
I have been freinds with this lads dad for over 30yrs. Its a shock when these new lads from a younger generation are prepared to try new ideas. I thought about wfp for nearly three years before I changed over and my biggest regret is that I never did it when I first heard about it.
I sign my name nel because its my nickname,all my freinds call me nel.
Nel.
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Just wanted to butt in to this exchange of views, I'm a newbie here on this forum and new to wc, thats why im here to learn, however im not new to self employment or business.
I have from the first day I started reading all the threads, from newcommers to old pro's been very impressed with the help and community feel of this forum. I view everyone on this forum as a professional for a couple of reasons, the main one being you are on here helping each other, I bet there isnt one dole claiming part timer on this forum.
So I would like to give my repect to all those that help, and all those that argue because there is so much good info given in the middle of these exchanges.
Hats off to you all
:)
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I know which one of the farther and son who is the more proffesional.
Exactly.
You think wfp makes you more professional.
Well I've got news for you, it doesn't.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Don't accuse me of being narrow minded! ;D
Good comments from Dave Wilkinson above though.
Well said.
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Is that it? ???
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Yeah, sorry Pj.
You were making a lot of sense as usual too....
Another thread ruined for me because of someone shouting their mouth off about the way they choose to work, as if it's better than anyone else's.... ::)
This is exactly why I sometimes comment like I do.
Some people have a jumped-up opinion of themselves unfortunately.
I'm a window cleaner.
I do alright.
I don't go boasting.
What's to boast about?
Get over yourself, you're also just a window cleaner.
Just like me,
just like PJ,
just like Ian Giles or even Sir Trevor Knight... ;)
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Hi Squeaks
It's each to his own and if yours is trad only then that is your choice. I can understand that just as I can understand someone being wfp only.
Somtimes I am puzzled by the competition between one and the other. Each has it's benifits and each has drawbacks.
What I find hard to understand is when someone posts something about either method that is simply just not true.
Rog, all power to your mop and squeegie. And your microfibre and your scrim. Trad is such a simple way of working.
One thing I dread each night is using our tds meter in case the tds is over 4 or 5. When we were trad only it was a case of filling up a few barrels of tap water and off we went each morning. How things have changed.
Cheers
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I would add Squeaks I am a very rich window cleaner. I am not boasting but just stating a fact.
I also play the stock market.
You comment like you do because you have a very insular viewpoint. I have never rubbished trad w/c, I just point out that theirs an alternative to running up and down a ladder.
The father and son is a good tale, I have just found out in the last half an hour that the dad is now going to invest in wfp, hes getting a trailer system. Why?
Hes watched his son, brother and nephew earn more money for less effort by going wfp. All of them speak highly of it so hes changing.
Hes also changing his price structure and is now canvassing for wfp work 60 miles away. Why? Because hes taken some advice from his son on how he should run a more proffesonial buisness, earn more money and be safer to boot.
If you cant see the good sense in that squeaks you leave me speechless.
Nel ::)
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If it makes you more money then fine.
Won't make much difference to my round.
A lot of it's unsuitable anyway.
If you think all that bother is worth it, then that's fine too.
...and driving 60 miles.....glutton for punishment, don't care if it's 3 times the price. ::)
Can't be bothered to say any more on this thread.
You can't see that your opinion isn't everyone elses's.
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saying water feed pole makes you more money is just not a fact.All your explaination shows is that you and the old man in question are probably very slow trad window cleaners compared to the likes of squeeks.
my old boss was fully trad,four guys working together,two on ups two on down and he earned £200 pound per day.Do you really think he would of earned more with four wfp?
TONY
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Do you really think he would of earned more with four wfp?
TONY
Yes.
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i like your back up evidence of that statement tosh. all of three letters. like the response of a child when he knows he is bang to rights.may be you are talking a load of old TOSH ;D
TONY
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I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S WOUND YOU UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My opinion,
1. WFP is better all round for most W/c's
2. Glimmer man, can I just clarify your statement:
The W/c you mention had 4 workers working together and earned £200 per day.
Was that all together or £200 per worker ie £800 in total?
3. Be carefull what you boast about and what you knock - get your FACTS right
4. Yes Squeeks does tend to knock WFP. In his eyes he is defending himself.
5. In MY case. I am 45 been w/c 19yrs and SICK and TIRED of lugging ladders.
My backpack and WFP has made my bind of a job much better.
David
P.S. We are ALL just good honest Window Cleaners!
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yes david you can clarify £200 pound profit per day in his pocket after paying wages and keeping his round going that works out at a grand per week profit.No outgoings except a bit of glimmer for the buckets and diesel for the car.After work all to be done was was scrim and applicators.In the morning all to be done was fill a few buckets. The guy hated ladders at his age of 55 so just employed people to do tops and just carried a bucket and did the down stairs and collected the bucks. i totally do think wfp is a good thing to use and totally safe and respect you guys that have invested in the kit and do a good job.All i do is defend the fact that it is not better than trad and does not make more money all the time.it is horses for courses and that is how i see it but some seem to think it is so cut and dry with wfp being "BETTER"
TONY
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Ladies,put down your water fed poles,your squeegees,your applicators and have a big group hug
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NO ;D
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Ok
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Well then choose your weapons and fight to the death
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This Springs to mind again
Hand Bags at Dawn ::)
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If it makes you more money then fine.
Won't make much difference to my round.
A lot of it's unsuitable anyway.
If you think all that bother is worth it, then that's fine too.
...and driving 60 miles.....glutton for punishment, don't care if it's 3 times the price. ::)
Can't be bothered to say any more on this thread.
You can't see that your opinion isn't everyone elses's.
It seems to me Squeaky & Hedgehog cant see any further than the end of there arm ???.
Macc
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right Time out ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :-X
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Respect for squeeky because he will fight for what he believes til the death and he comes out with some cracking replies ;D hes got a good sense of humour
Long live the king of trad squeeky 8)
This forum would have been really boring if wfp had'nt have been invented there wouldnt have been much to argue about :-X
Brett
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Hi Squeaks
It's each to his own and if yours is trad only then that is your choice. I can understand that just as I can understand someone being wfp only.
Somtimes I am puzzled by the competition between one and the other. Each has it's benifits and each has drawbacks.
What I find hard to understand is when someone posts something about either method that is simply just not true.
Rog, all power to your mop and squeegie. And your microfibre and your scrim. Trad is such a simple way of working.
One thing I dread each night is using our tds meter in case the tds is over 4 or 5. When we were trad only it was a case of filling up a few barrels of tap water and off we went each morning. How things have changed.
Cheers
In fact there's a lot to be gained by helping each other whatever method used. I've given work away in the past that I didn't want to a trad cleaner who put me onto work that he couldn't do safely. We were both happy and so were the customers.
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As long as no newbie takes him seriously then I view Squeaky's comments about wfp as poorly-informed banter. A bit banal and wearing thin, but just humorous.
Simple analogy:- It's a bit like me telling you all why I would never use an aeroplane; and most of you thinking that really, behind it all I was just scared of flying. After a time my protestations would sound lame, especially to all of you who had flown regularly and had seen the benefits of it.
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just like Ian Giles or even Sir Trevor Knight... ;)
Did I miss this or have I said something to upset you Rog without even posting?
Sir ???
Oh well :-\
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Did I miss this or have I said something to upset you Rog without even posting?
Sir ???
Oh well :-\
Perhaps it's a pun on your surname? :)
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just like Ian Giles or even Sir Trevor Knight... ;)
Did I miss this or have I said something to upset you Rog without even posting?
Sir ???
Oh well :-\
Maybe you red carded someone from his team and don't remember. :)
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The Red card seems like the most likely answer. Dished out 36 last season and 124 yellows, HAPPY DAYS !!
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The Red card seems like the most likely answer. Dished out 36 last season and 124 yellows, HAPPY DAYS !!
Good God. Are you on bonus or something or were you trained by Clive "the book" Thomas?
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Glimmer man.
I was not slow at Trad w/c, Squeaky may and I say may be a fraction quicker with a squgee, but when you are trad its the pace you can maintain for an 8 hr day. 5 days a week.
My speed with trad is how quick I can put up a ladder and then climb it clean a window and get back to the ground. I doubt many could keep up with me over a days work.
When two of us work together I did all the tops trad. I have had some rapid young lads work with me and I would race them over an hour, They did downstairs and I did upstairs and I have only been beaten once, I was at a massive disadvantage doing tops only, But over an hour I can run up and down ladders going up 2 rungs at a time.
So please dont say I am slow, I take it as an insult.
So when I say I make more money with wfp you have to keep in mind I am a darn fast trad w/c. I cannot speak for every wf poler. But every one of my freinds who have switched to wfp find it faster then trad, And one of those guys was rapid really rapid as a trad cleaner.
I have 8 freinds who are w/c. We all keep in contact with each other and for the last 27 yrs we have had a competion to see who can earn the most in a days work. For 24 yrs Trad wc was the record set by a couple of them. I never had the record, This summer the 20 yr old lad smashed that record with wfp. He went out to break it and set a standard that may take a decade to beat. How much did he earn on a domestic round in a day?
£501.00
You will never get near it cleaning trad.
Nel.
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Glimmer man.
This summer the 20 yr old lad smashed that record with wfp. He went out to break it and set a standard that may take a decade to beat. How much did he earn on a domestic round in a day?
£501.00
You will never get near it cleaning trad.
Nel.
He's getting up to speed then a few more years and he will have it sussed. ;)
Roy
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Money money money - dont forget, you cant take it with you!
I'm sorry but threads get very boring when people can only go on about how much money they can earn in a day with trad or wfp
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
JohnL!
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Why John?
Do you give all your money to charity or good causes that you earn? Of course not.
You work for money, like everyone else. So why get upset if someone earns more then you.
I have the mentality if he can do it so can I.
It inspires me to work harder and smarter.
If someone posted on here that He had earned £50,000.00 in a year as a w/c working on his own. I would congratulate him.
Then I would say to myself if hes done it, I am going to do it.
I suppose its what kind of mind set you have.
Nel.
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just like Ian Giles or even Sir Trevor Knight... ;)
Did I miss this or have I said something to upset you Rog without even posting?
Sir ???
Oh well :-\
Ha ha!
No, not at all Trev.
I was just joking, as you seem to be the earning "king" around here, I just called you "Sir Trev!" ;D
It was respect in a sarcastic form... ;)
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Yes, one day I may end up with a pole system.
But like you say, it's purely through being fed up of climbing, and getting bored of the job - it's a new job in a way.
When hes been issued a fair challenge by Ian Giles to compare trad and wfp he has just made Excuses. The challenge was made because of the constant Criticism of wfp by Squeaks.
Nel.
The reason I can't see the point in these silly "challenges" is because that wouldn't reflect an average job.
He's hardly likely to leave it anything but perfect is he? And nor am I, but we may make mistakes the rest of the time.
Can't even spell your name right. Neil. ::)
Rg.
Dur...and what would be the point of cleaning an account and not leaving it spotless!!
There are wo points to a possible challenge, the one is to prove that WFP can indeed do a spotless job.
The other is to show that even on a straightforward bungalow with straight forward UPVC windows, WFP is quicker than even a quick trad window cleaner.
Squeaks has mentioned many times how quick he is, and I've never disaggreed with him on that point.
Actually, on a bungalow I would also doubt that he would be much quicker than me, this bungalow I offered up for the first challenge took me over 30 minutes to do trad, and WFP it is 15 minutes, and that is a top quality job, all of the frames washed down, and all of a large conservatory washed down from just below the gutters and down to the ground.
Physically impossible to do it anywhere near the time it can be done with WFP if you tried to do that trad.
And when I did it trad it was just detailed (where and when required) and the sills wiped.
The challenge isn't silly, its about speed AND quality, and not just one or the other.
I know I may appear to pick on squeaky to highlight a point of view, but as he is the most vociferous of the anti-WFP brigade and usually makes the most uninformed comments his are the replies I tend to base a rebuttal on.
Groundhog is closing the gap though ;) But at least he understands WFP.
Another point in favour of WFP is that once you have the system it means you are in a position to accept work that you would otherweise dread doing trad.
Large georgian accounts, leaded ones and high stuff that most would not have the balls to climb a ladder to get at.
some of my best accounts are these type of accounts, done trad they would take forever and I would detest them.
I did a leaded account (40 large windows in total) most of them facing south in direct sunlight, surrounded by decking, steep garden, windows over conservaory, windows over a roof!
£38 in under 25 minutes, and I had to use a ladder to get to some patio windows over a balcony too.
Now squeaks has said in the past that if I'm charging over a £1.00 an hour I'm blatently overcharging my customers, but that price I'm charging is a more than fair one that a trad window cleaner would struggle to equal let alone better.
done trad I wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole.
The customer couldn't get a window cleaner for love nor money, so he is well happy, usually gives me two £20 notes and waves away the change.
And I'm happy cause I'm making good money.
Without WFP I would not be in that position.
And that is only one example of many that are very similar too.
In one street in our town I picked up a single £15 Account.
Not an account that would be nice Trad, awkward height at the rear of property.
Then I picked up next door.
then several others
It is now worth £112 per month.
9am start and a midday finish.
10 accounts in total.
6 of which would be a real pain done trad and windows would have to be missed.
Because I have the tool to do these jobs I am making good money and all of these are accounts that come up just fine with WFP.
If I were trad I'd have turned some of them down.
If you are like Squeaks and happy to stay 100% trad then great, good for you, you are earning a living and obviously happy with your lot.
Respect to you all.
WFP isn't better than trad, but it can do easily as good a job in the right hands.
Ian
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''So why get upset if someone earns more then you''
I trust you are not referring to me in that statement because I have never made any remark that could be taken to mean I am envious of others income either higher or lower!
I am just bored with hearing how the lust for money seems to be the the dominant factor for some people.
Earning an income is the outcome of what you wish to achieve and what you can and have achieved by good planning, having a good business sense and the means and will to go and do it. High earners dont brag about it - but they can be proud of their achievements.
JohnL
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no good earning £501 pound in a day and losing all your customers down to spots on the windo and scrathed sills etc etc etc would rather take the grand a week trad.
TONY
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Nel100
Ive beaten 501(584). Though I doubt I'll do it again as Ive just lost the Old peoples home I had for that day for 125. Going to phone them Monday to find out why.
I agree with you, I like abit of competition. I dont feel jealous when I ve heard someone earnt more money, it just gives me something to aim at and Im pleased for them.
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Nel100
Ive beaten 501(584). Though I doubt I'll do it again as Ive just lost the Old peoples home I had for that day for 125. Going to phone them Monday to find out why.
I agree with you, I like abit of competition. I dont feel jealous when I ve heard someone earnt more money, it just gives me something to aim at and Im pleased for them.
Wow !! I did manage 251 a little while back and that was my best ever by a fair margin. I probably could manage more if I had larger jobs though or I had a bit less travelling time.
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The Red card seems like the most likely answer. Dished out 36 last season and 124 yellows, HAPPY DAYS !!
Good God. Are you on bonus or something or were you trained by Clive "the book" Thomas?
Hi Thomas,
I wish I did get a bonus for the cards but sadly I don't. To be honest, in professional football it is a very rare occassion for a match to go without at least a couple of yellows and the odd red card during the season. Last season was hectic because a) I officiated 61 games and b) I officiated on the Premier Reserve and Youth Acadamey leagues and they are very physical.
Anyway, I will delete this post after todays game as I am going off subject, just wanted to answer your post ;D
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just like Ian Giles or even Sir Trevor Knight... ;)
Did I miss this or have I said something to upset you Rog without even posting?
Sir ???
Oh well :-\
Ha ha!
No, not at all Trev.
I was just joking, as you seem to be the earning "king" around here, I just called you "Sir Trev!" ;D
It was respect in a sarcastic form... ;)
No worries Rog, although I don't think I am the earning King as you put it. I make enough to feed my family and keep me in a comfortable life style ;) Happy Days ;D
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Just to be clear I have not earned £501.00 in a day myself, it would be nice if I did.
This is a freindly competion between freinds to see who holds the record for most earnings in a day on your own.
The young lad wanted to set a new record or benchmark and to be at the top of the tree for a long while. He says he will never do what he did that day because it took so much out of him. he could not work at that level day in day out. So the earnings are a one off. It was while he was working he decided to go for the record,It was a perfect day to clean windows, he felt fit and in the zone, and he said everything was going right,customers giving him money while he worked so no time lost waiting for them to find the purse. No snags with the hose or getting it trapped. windows quite clean to begin with so he could really wizz along.
He worked about 11 hours I think. But was absoultly wrecked Physically when he got home. His hands and body where shaking when he got home with the energy he had expended.
But he has set a record that we or our group of w/c freinds know will last a long long time. That is between the small group of us.
But for me I think its an amazing amount of money to be able to earn from cleaning windows and one that should inspire you instead of getting a negative reaction.
For those who say money is not everything, I will agree, the young lad who set the record only works part time because he does something else with his time that he considers of greater value. He only works 2 days a week on average and on that particular day he did 2 days work in one day so it gave him more free time to pursue other intrests that week.
Nel.
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I say good for you or your mates Neil ;)
I've set myself two personal targets, 1 is to turn over £1000 in a working week, and the other is to turn over £500 in a single day.
So far neither has been acheived...but I've come very close :o
I have several days in the month where I top £200 and one day every 2 months where if certain accounts can coincide I have the potential to clear the £500 target for a days earnings...I break that target and providing the rest of my week is reasonable I should break the other target.
But everything has to be perfect, including the right kind of weather! And so far it has never happened, but it will one day.
Also; having targets helps with self motivation and can keep you going when you are waning half way through the day and you're thinking, "Sod this for a game of soldiers, I'm going home :-["
By and large I make absolutely nowhere near a grand a week (a long way short overall), but once again, for me personally, without WFP it would be physically impossible to get remotely close to it with the work I have at the moment.
Ian
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Thats it. I'm not going into window cleaning. Moneys crap by the sound of it. :P
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I've never cleaned a round trad so can't comment on how much can be earned but with wfp we always take our time, clean frames sills and glass properly and earn a hefty sum for doing it. some people say money ain't everything thats their view. to me it makes me happy and not stressed. I got into window cleaning for one reason only and its not job satisfaction...Its money! you can earn your self £500 (after wages) take home yourself everyday if you had two workers doing all the work and you simply drive, navigate and manage the round properly. We are not their yet in terms of our work load but thats where we will be in 6 months I'm proud of what were achieving and that gives me satisfaction not Mrs Jones telling me how clean her windows are because i've spent an hour on her windows for a fiver. this is not a dig at any individual its merely my view. If i wanted Job satisfaction i would still be in the trade i trained for for many years...to me this is all about money!
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Just a quick reminder that your daily income is also relevant to your location.
We have minimum charge for £10 irrespective or whether or not it is a 2 up 2 down or flat so the chances of a higher days income is a lot more than our colleagues up north who are restricted to say £5-£7.
I have read all these postings regarding money earn't etc.... I admit myself, I am driven by money, but also by the knowledge that I also can enjoy all the benefits of self employment and flexibility to do other things.
Horses for courses an all that ;)
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But over an hour I can run up and down ladders going up 2 rungs at a time.
No wonder you went wfp. It was the survival instinct kicking in. ;D
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Just to be clear I have not earned £501.00 in a day myself, it would be nice if I did.
This is a freindly competion between freinds to see who holds the record for most earnings in a day on your own.
The young lad wanted to set a new record or benchmark and to be at the top of the tree for a long while. He says he will never do what he did that day because it took so much out of him. he could not work at that level day in day out. So the earnings are a one off. It was while he was working he decided to go for the record,It was a perfect day to clean windows, he felt fit and in the zone, and he said everything was going right,customers giving him money while he worked so no time lost waiting for them to find the purse. No snags with the hose or getting it trapped. windows quite clean to begin with so he could really wizz along.
He worked about 11 hours I think. But was absoultly wrecked Physically when he got home. His hands and body where shaking when he got home with the energy he had expended.
But he has set a record that we or our group of w/c freinds know will last a long long time. That is between the small group of us.
But for me I think its an amazing amount of money to be able to earn from cleaning windows and one that should inspire you instead of getting a negative reaction.
For those who say money is not everything, I will agree, the young lad who set the record only works part time because he does something else with his time that he considers of greater value. He only works 2 days a week on average and on that particular day he did 2 days work in one day so it gave him more free time to pursue other intrests that week.
Personally I dont talk to friends about what I earn. I think that constitutes boasting. But on a faceless forum I just think its interesting to know what others are doing.
Archie
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I class myself has an honest sort of bloke like my mates. We have allways talked to each other about how much we earn a week or per day, an hour etc. I and we have never viewed it as boasting, if we did we would not do it, Its as Ian said in his post, Its great for motivating yourself.
We have all tried to be close together on how much we ask for jobs, its just that we have varied on how much we put up our prices and how often, You have to keep in mind that four of us have been cleaning for over 25 yrs. One lad whos been cleaning for 28 yrs and still trad, thats the dad I mentioned in an Earlier post on this thread,As not put up his prices for over 10 yrs and before then he did it infrequently, so allthough he had a cracking round 25 yrs ago it no longer holds true today. I have put my prices up every three years but compared to the chap whos been going 30 yrs he as put his prices up on a regular basis and still gets £25 an hour for trad work.
Which is fantastic considering hes now 60, but as anyone whos around the 50 yr old mark will tell you w/c trad is really really hard, it completly shatters you and does have an impact on the quality of your life.
For me going wfp as completly transformed how I work and how much money I now earn. It is a massive diffrence, the main one being besides more money is that I am no where near has tired, which is a horrible feeling.
I have posted on the forum before how much I have started to earn wfp to show for me any way it as made a massive diffrence switching from trad. I am now a bit more reluctant to say how much I earn as some memmbers consider it to be boasting or are taking it the wrong way which as never been my intention to do.
its nice to see others setting targets, I think other then the size of your round their is little else you can do other then setting a daily, weekly, quaterly, yearly target but it is only a Monetary target.
keep on trying to aim for the £1,000.00 weekly target Ian, you will get their. Its sweet when you do. I allways had that target in mind but I never Achieved it when I was Trad even when two of us worked together. I have broken it many times since going wfp, I suppose thats one of the reasons why I stick up for wfp because it works and lets you earn more money.
I would love every memmber on this forum to be able to earn 1grand a week, I think we deserve it, and to be honest if you price up correctly and have enough work everyone should be able to earn it.
Nel.
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I class myself has an honest sort of bloke like my mates. We have allways talked to each other about how much we earn a week or per day, an hour etc. I and we have never viewed it as boasting, if we did we would not do it, Its as Ian said in his post, Its great for motivating yourself.
We have all tried to be close together on how much we ask for jobs, its just that we have varied on how much we put up our prices and how often, You have to keep in mind that four of us have been cleaning for over 25 yrs. One lad whos been cleaning for 28 yrs and still trad, thats the dad I mentioned in an Earlier post on this thread,As not put up his prices for over 10 yrs and before then he did it infrequently, so allthough he had a cracking round 25 yrs ago it no longer holds true today. I have put my prices up every three years but compared to the chap whos been going 30 yrs he as put his prices up on a regular basis and still gets £25 an hour for trad work.
Which is fantastic considering hes now 60, but as anyone whos around the 50 yr old mark will tell you w/c trad is really really hard, it completly shatters you and does have an impact on the quality of your life.
For me going wfp as completly transformed how I work and how much money I now earn. It is a massive diffrence, the main one being besides more money is that I am no where near has tired, which is a horrible feeling.
I have posted on the forum before how much I have started to earn wfp to show for me any way it as made a massive diffrence switching from trad. I am now a bit more reluctant to say how much I earn as some memmbers consider it to be boasting or are taking it the wrong way which as never been my intention to do.
its nice to see others setting targets, I think other then the size of your round their is little else you can do other then setting a daily, weekly, quaterly, yearly target but it is only a Monetary target.
keep on trying to aim for the £1,000.00 weekly target Ian, you will get their. Its sweet when you do. I allways had that target in mind but I never Achieved it when I was Trad even when two of us worked together. I have broken it many times since going wfp, I suppose thats one of the reasons why I stick up for wfp because it works and lets you earn more money.
I would love every memmber on this forum to be able to earn 1grand a week, I think we deserve it, and to be honest if you price up correctly and have enough work everyone should be able to earn it.
Nel.
That grand a week turnover target is my next financial goal. It's not going to happen this year but maybe come next Spring/Summer I will be able to achieve it on some weeks. Some of the less profitable work I have is still holding me back but as I gradually free myself from it and replace it with better paid work, the day will come when a grand a week is a pretty regular pccurence. Not sure how long it will take to get there but if most of my business becomes like certain pockets of my business, I should be able to manage it eventually.
This would not have been possible for me without this forum. It has really opened my eyes as to what can be achieved with effort and hard work.
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If you are like Squeaks and happy to stay 100% trad then great, good for you, you are earning a living and obviously happy with your lot.
Respect to you all.
WFP isn't better than trad, but it can do easily as good a job in the right hands.
Ian
EXACTLY!!
In My Opinon:
WFP has transformed my window cleaning business.
It's easier.
I am earning more.
There are jobs I can do easily that I could hardly do Trad.
But...
I have lost customers because they don't like it.
It still niggs me that I leave the windows wet.
At the end of the day, I am in business to earn a living and to pay off the mortgage. I am 45 ansd by the time I am 60 I want to owe NOTHING!!!
I have no time to play to other peoples wimms and preferences. If they don't like WFP then fair enough.
I WILL FIGHT THRUOGH WITH WHAT I BEL:IEVE!!!!!
Just like Squeeky!!!!!!!!!
David