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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Perfect Windows on May 15, 2024, 04:52:58 pm
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Anyone have experience of running one and kitting it out for window cleaning?
Many models have the battery pack under the floor, so in particular, I'm interested if/how you bolted your tank down.
How much difference does the weight of water make to your range?
Do you draw 12v directly for pumps, etc?
Anything else worth knowing?
Thanks,
Vin
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Soupy was using a couple - not sure how well it worked tho.
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I think the EV Sprinter can only take 700kgs and do 80 miles if you are lucky. No EV is going to suit us unless one runs with a 350l tank, I have found out.
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I think the EV Sprinter can only take 700kgs and do 80 miles if you are lucky. No EV is going to suit us unless one runs with a 350l tank, I have found out.
There are vans with over a tonne payloads. For example, the sprinter with 41kWh battery has a 1043kg payload. VW E-transporter is 1071kg (trim dependent).
My highest mileage day is 36 miles.
Vin
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No problems whatsoever.
Run the pump off the 12v battery. No need for split chargers or removing the battery or anything like that, there's no starter and the 12v battery only runs the dashboard really.
No issues with weight/range.
We have evitos and an evivaro. Virtually no difference in fitting to the diesel equivalent.
The Vito payload is about 1t. The vivaro is 1.2t we are nowhere near maxing out the payload.
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I think the EV Sprinter can only take 700kgs and do 80 miles if you are lucky. No EV is going to suit us unless one runs with a 350l tank, I have found out.
650l in mine.
145 miles "suggested" range. Only get 100 which is more than enough.
1/3 the price of diesel and £0 road tax.
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Soupy was using a couple - not sure how well it worked tho.
I've had 5 electric vans. Down to 2 but my next van will be electric.
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No problems whatsoever.
Run the pump off the 12v battery. No need for split chargers or removing the battery or anything like that, there's no starter and the 12v battery only runs the dashboard really.
No issues with weight/range.
We have evitos and an evivaro. Virtually no difference in fitting to the diesel equivalent.
The Vito payload is about 1t. The vivaro is 1.2t we are nowhere near maxing out the payload.
Thanks!
When you say no problem with fitting, we bolt through to the chassis. Are you doing the same? If not, how's the tank secured?
Vin
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No problems whatsoever.
Run the pump off the 12v battery. No need for split chargers or removing the battery or anything like that, there's no starter and the 12v battery only runs the dashboard really.
No issues with weight/range.
We have evitos and an evivaro. Virtually no difference in fitting to the diesel equivalent.
The Vito payload is about 1t. The vivaro is 1.2t we are nowhere near maxing out the payload.
Thanks!
When you say no problem with fitting, we bolt through to the chassis. Are you doing the same? If not, how's the tank secured?
Vin
It's bolted through the floor with spreader plates. There's not much room underneath by the bulkhead where the battery is but plenty room behind it.
Also the frame bolts into the tie points (with the eyelets removed).
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Thanks again. I think I'll take a dekko at a few different models at dealers to see how it would work for us.
Vin
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Less of a problem for us soft southerners than you but did you suffer a range drop in winter?
Vin
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Thanks again. I think I'll take a dekko at a few different models at dealers to see how it would work for us.
Vin
The biggest issue we've had is depreciation.
Not really an issue for us because the mercs are rentals. When it came to renewal Merc finance tried to treble the rental - in an attempt to claw back the depreciation I guess.
Second hand evitos are cheap though...
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Less of a problem for us soft southerners than you but did you suffer a range drop in winter?
Vin
Yes. The heater knocks 30% off the range. Still 100 miles is more than enough.
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They do use tyres more than diesels.
The low down torque is noticeable so I think it's down to the driver.
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Can’t see the benefit.
My custom will do 600 miles on a tank, it’d hardly expensive in diesel.
No point paying a premium for electric van with pants range . I suppose leasing one is the best option.
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Not paying a premium. Dirt cheap secondhand, particularly the 80 odd mile range ones.
Range? You may have missed this...
My highest mileage day is 36 miles.
Vin
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Not paying a premium. Dirt cheap secondhand, particularly the 80 odd mile range ones.
Range? You may have missed this...
My highest mileage day is 36 miles.
Vin
Would never buy a second hand leccy van, the battery’s could well be shot to bits.
I understand the mileage, but I was pointing out that I can fill my van tank and then not think about range for a month. It’s amazing really…
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There are plenty of diagnostics available to check the battery state. Hyundai have recently said that data gathered from their sold EVs suggests their batteries will last a mere 300,000 miles before dropping to 85% capacity. (You're also ignoring the fact that the engine could be shot on a diesel van.)
I, too, will be able to forget about range because when I wake up I'll have 80-odd miles of range and a maximum of 36 miles to do. I'm honestly struggling to see why I'd need a 500 mile range given that my fuel station will be on my driveway.
Vin
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There are plenty of diagnostics available to check the battery state. Hyundai have recently said that data gathered from their sold EVs suggests their batteries will last a mere 300,000 miles before dropping to 85% capacity. (You're also ignoring the fact that the engine could be shot on a diesel van.)
I, too, will be able to forget about range because when I wake up I'll have 80-odd miles of range and a maximum of 36 miles to do. I'm honestly struggling to see why I'd need a 500 mile range given that my fuel station will be on my driveway.
Vin
How long do you/will you keep the van - do you think?
I just wonder how heavily the depreciation factor weighs into the equation.
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I'm planning to buy secondhand so the big chunk of depreciation is on someone else's shoulders. Probably Soupy's.
Current van is now 18 years old. Electric vans I'm looking at are four years old so I'd be content to get another ten years or so out of one. My son will hopefully have taken over the business by then. I do 3,000 miles a year or so, so I don't think that would be unreasonable.
Vin
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Vin - slightly off topic - do you get cheaper insurance for doing such low miles?
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First thing that springs to my mind is, at only 36 miles a day, is there any real saving to made at all? When you consider the elevated purchase price and uncertain future value and performance, personally, at such a low cost starting point using diesel I wouldn't bother with electric. I'm still not convinced that EV is the future.
There are now new petrol vans on the market, although I have no idea how they weigh up.
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The batteries on almost all vans have an 8 year warranty on them. Second hand or not.
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Vin - slightly off topic - do you get cheaper insurance for doing such low miles?
Not sure. They always ask, so I assume it's taken into account.
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Vin - slightly off topic - do you get cheaper insurance for doing such low miles?
Not sure. They always ask, so I assume it's taken into account.
Knowing insurance companies probably not ;D
My guess is that they ask to catch you out - if you're in an accident and you've underestimated they can refuse to pay out.
I'm very cynical though.
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There are plenty of diagnostics available to check the battery state. Hyundai have recently said that data gathered from their sold EVs suggests their batteries will last a mere 300,000 miles before dropping to 85% capacity. (You're also ignoring the fact that the engine could be shot on a diesel van.)
I, too, will be able to forget about range because when I wake up I'll have 80-odd miles of range and a maximum of 36 miles to do. I'm honestly struggling to see why I'd need a 500 mile range given that my fuel station will be on my driveway.
Vin
I do long trips in my van, I use it for all sorts, so it’s great having the range of a diesel.
If you’re only do a few miles a day, then I understand your reasoning.
Be interesting to see how you get on.
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There is an additional benefit to buying EVs that you may not know.
If you have certain types of chargers (they are all about the same cost) then Octopus Energy have an EV tariff, other companies do too but not as low a price. This is the standard 30p/kwh (what ever it is these days due to the cap) rate for most of the time but from 11:30pm to 5:30am everyday all your household electricity is only 7.5p/kwh. So we have our dishwasher and washing machines timed to come on in the cheap periods. OK so it's not a huge saving but it adds up over the year and if you are a ltd company having an ev charger installed is 20% cheaper due to some sort of Gov grant, even though it's at home!
I read peoples arguments about batteries might be on last legs etc but so might any engine - how many Ford eco tecs have gone bang, how many transits have snapped their wet belts way before any scheduled service, how many VW have had injectors fail and damage the engine?
If the battery is duff - you can get odb readers (£5) to check battery state of health and services should state the battery health, then you would replace it with a used one from a crash damaged vehicle same as you would if a diesel engine failed - you wouldn't go to the manufacturer and buy a brand new engine as it would be silly money.
As for range, yes they are significantly lower than diesels but how many need to do hundreds of miles in a day - very few but some do. If you need to do that many miles then most evs will charge from 20 to 80% in less than 1 hr. I agree not as convenient as a diesel but you never need to stop or divert to a 'petrol station' to fill up you just get home and plug in when required.
Currently EVs are not for everyone. As you may guess I bought an ev car in Feb and it's great, the instant torque is very addictive and the range is actually what the manufacturer quotes (not in winter), in fact it does more miles per kw round town than spec says - quite a bit more. By my calcs just in fuel it's costing less than 2p per mile - diesel currently at £1.52.7 a litre at 40mpg works out at 17p a mile so almost 9 times more expensive per mile in a diesel!
One thing to note, the zero tax does end in April 2025 although if you retax in May 2025 you get another 12 months at £0 so up to May 2026 you can get zero road tax.
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There is an additional benefit to buying EVs that you may not know.
If you have certain types of chargers (they are all about the same cost) then Octopus Energy have an EV tariff, other companies do too but not as low a price. This is the standard 30p/kwh (what ever it is these days due to the cap) rate for most of the time but from 11:30pm to 5:30am everyday all your household electricity is only 7.5p/kwh. So we have our dishwasher and washing machines timed to come on in the cheap periods. OK so it's not a huge saving but it adds up over the year and if you are a ltd company having an ev charger installed is 20% cheaper due to some sort of Gov grant, even though it's at home!
I read peoples arguments about batteries might be on last legs etc but so might any engine - how many Ford eco tecs have gone bang, how many transits have snapped their wet belts way before any scheduled service, how many VW have had injectors fail and damage the engine?
If the battery is duff - you can get odb readers (£5) to check battery state of health and services should state the battery health, then you would replace it with a used one from a crash damaged vehicle same as you would if a diesel engine failed - you wouldn't go to the manufacturer and buy a brand new engine as it would be silly money.
As for range, yes they are significantly lower than diesels but how many need to do hundreds of miles in a day - very few but some do. If you need to do that many miles then most evs will charge from 20 to 80% in less than 1 hr. I agree not as convenient as a diesel but you never need to stop or divert to a 'petrol station' to fill up you just get home and plug in when required.
Currently EVs are not for everyone. As you may guess I bought an ev car in Feb and it's great, the instant torque is very addictive and the range is actually what the manufacturer quotes (not in winter), in fact it does more miles per kw round town than spec says - quite a bit more. By my calcs just in fuel it's costing less than 2p per mile - diesel currently at £1.52.7 a litre at 40mpg works out at 17p a mile so almost 9 times more expensive per mile in a diesel!
One thing to note, the zero tax does end in April 2025 although if you retax in May 2025 you get another 12 months at £0 so up to May 2026 you can get zero road tax.
Yeah but no but yeah but no but...
Don't they explode/leave you stranded/cost more to run/need new batteries every 5 years/take 100 hours to charge/the grid can't handle it/break down all the time/blah blah blah blah blah.
;D
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There is an additional benefit to buying EVs that you may not know.
If you have certain types of chargers (they are all about the same cost) then Octopus Energy have an EV tariff, other companies do too but not as low a price. This is the standard 30p/kwh (what ever it is these days due to the cap) rate for most of the time but from 11:30pm to 5:30am everyday all your household electricity is only 7.5p/kwh. So we have our dishwasher and washing machines timed to come on in the cheap periods. OK so it's not a huge saving but it adds up over the year and if you are a ltd company having an ev charger installed is 20% cheaper due to some sort of Gov grant, even though it's at home!
I read peoples arguments about batteries might be on last legs etc but so might any engine - how many Ford eco tecs have gone bang, how many transits have snapped their wet belts way before any scheduled service, how many VW have had injectors fail and damage the engine?
If the battery is duff - you can get odb readers (£5) to check battery state of health and services should state the battery health, then you would replace it with a used one from a crash damaged vehicle same as you would if a diesel engine failed - you wouldn't go to the manufacturer and buy a brand new engine as it would be silly money.
As for range, yes they are significantly lower than diesels but how many need to do hundreds of miles in a day - very few but some do. If you need to do that many miles then most evs will charge from 20 to 80% in less than 1 hr. I agree not as convenient as a diesel but you never need to stop or divert to a 'petrol station' to fill up you just get home and plug in when required.
Currently EVs are not for everyone. As you may guess I bought an ev car in Feb and it's great, the instant torque is very addictive and the range is actually what the manufacturer quotes (not in winter), in fact it does more miles per kw round town than spec says - quite a bit more. By my calcs just in fuel it's costing less than 2p per mile - diesel currently at £1.52.7 a litre at 40mpg works out at 17p a mile so almost 9 times more expensive per mile in a diesel!
One thing to note, the zero tax does end in April 2025 although if you retax in May 2025 you get another 12 months at £0 so up to May 2026 you can get zero road tax.
Yeah but no but yeah but no but...
Don't they explode/leave you stranded/cost more to run/need new batteries every 5 years/take 100 hours to charge/the grid can't handle it/break down all the time/blah blah blah blah blah.
;D
Yes if they catch fire they are difficult to put out - how many vauxhall zafira's caught fire due to manufacturing faults with heaters?
Leave you stranded - yes if you don't recharge same as a petrol or diesel if you let the tank run dry.
Cost more to run - servicing is lower compared to petrol and diesel - tesla don't have a service schedule at all - so zero service costs!
New battery every 5 years - most manufactures warranty battery for 7 years plus - can't say that for many petrol and diesel cars.
Take 100 hrs to charge - most will go from 20% to 80% within 60 mins on a fest charger - at home on an ev charger about 10 hrs.
The grid can't handle it - they will take care of that by managing when people charge by offering cheap charging on off peak periods.
Break down all the time - not read that one before :-)
If you look back in history the amount of fuss that the petrol cars created was huge, people had to walk in front waving a flag as so dangerous, engines would scare horses, people wouldn't be able to breath going that fast (that might have been stream trains :-))
Most humans don't like change ;D
The tech is definitely improving at a rate of knots and cost is coming down, don't believe manufacturers retail prices as in reality you can buy a lot at 20 to 30% off rrp, so depreciation should be measured against actual purchase price not list ;D
I better get out and clean some glass ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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First thing that springs to my mind is, at only 36 miles a day, is there any real saving to made at all? When you consider the elevated purchase price and uncertain future value and performance, personally, at such a low cost starting point using diesel I wouldn't bother with electric. I'm still not convinced that EV is the future.
There are now new petrol vans on the market, although I have no idea how they weigh up.
I'm running out of ways to say that I'm buying used so the big depreciation on new EV's isn't a problem.
Vin
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Yes if they catch fire they are difficult to put out - how many vauxhall zafira's caught fire due to manufacturing faults with heaters?
Leave you stranded - yes if you don't recharge same as a petrol or diesel if you let the tank run dry.
Cost more to run - servicing is lower compared to petrol and diesel - tesla don't have a service schedule at all - so zero service costs!
New battery every 5 years - most manufactures warranty battery for 7 years plus - can't say that for many petrol and diesel cars.
Take 100 hrs to charge - most will go from 20% to 80% within 60 mins on a fest charger - at home on an ev charger about 10 hrs.
The grid can't handle it - they will take care of that by managing when people charge by offering cheap charging on off peak periods.
Break down all the time - not read that one before :-)
If you look back in history the amount of fuss that the petrol cars created was huge, people had to walk in front waving a flag as so dangerous, engines would scare horses, people wouldn't be able to breath going that fast (that might have been stream trains :-))
Most humans don't like change ;D
The tech is definitely improving at a rate of knots and cost is coming down, don't believe manufacturers retail prices as in reality you can buy a lot at 20 to 30% off rrp, so depreciation should be measured against actual purchase price not list ;D
I better get out and clean some glass ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I suspect that Soupy was being sarcastic about the repeated lies about EVs. (They're not errors or misunderstandings: the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Express know they are printing lies to suit their paymasters.)
The fact that people believe the scare stories is one of the reasons why, at the moment, EV secondhand prices are so low. Lunatic low. (Just a reminder that I'm buying used, not new, BTW, lest anyone forget).
In a few years , when people notice that their neighbour has used an EV for the past ten years, loves it, charges it from the solar panel on their roof and still miraculously manages to see their family 200 miles away without catching fire or breaking down, used prices will stabilise. Until then, I'll make hay.
Vin
PS. My favourite stats on fires come from an article about Tusker fleet management. (1) They have 30,000 EVs and "the company’s insurance records show that not a single one of the EVs on its fleet have caught fire." (2) "A study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency backs up Tusker’s findings. It concluded that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars."
Both quotes from an excellent article at https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/tusker-fleet-data-reveals-the-truth-about-ev-fires
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They are just a bit "gay" for want of a better phrase. Mileage is crap and you can't hear them coming.
Give me a smokey old diesel that leaks a bit of oil and if something goes wrong I can get under the bonnet and get my hands dirty. I want something that kicks out some fumes and makes a bit of a noise.
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They are just a bit "gay" for want of a better phrase. Mileage is crap and you can't hear them coming.
Give me a smokey old diesel that leaks a bit of oil and if something goes wrong I can get under the bonnet and get my hands dirty. I want something that kicks out some fumes and makes a bit of a noise.
Drive one for a while.
It won't make you a gayer.
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They are just a bit "gay" "perfect for the work Vin does" for want of a better phrase. Mileage is crap beautifully sufficient and you can't hear them coming they are nice and quiet to drive.
Fixed that for you.
Vin
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First thing that springs to my mind is, at only 36 miles a day, is there any real saving to made at all? When you consider the elevated purchase price and uncertain future value and performance, personally, at such a low cost starting point using diesel I wouldn't bother with electric. I'm still not convinced that EV is the future.
There are now new petrol vans on the market, although I have no idea how they weigh up.
I'm running out of ways to say that I'm buying used so the big depreciation on new EV's isn't a problem.
Vin
No, I fully read AND understood your post. Mine was, and still is, bssed on that!
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No, I fully read AND understood your post. Mine was, and still is, bssed on that!
I don't get your "elevated purchase price" at all then.
Five year old
Mercedes E-Sprinter, 8,000 miles £12.4k
VW E-Transporter, 9,000 miles £9.8k
Compare with
Five year old
Citroen Dispatch, 109k miles £8k
Toyota Proace, 41k miles £12k
Not "elevated" by my reckoning.
Vin
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Elevated.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355684429442?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=JGmws6P_RxS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Electric Vito 2022 1k miles £17k
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186436737685?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=BjROPgH5QIC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Similar spec diesel Vito. 2021 50k miles £24k
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No, I fully read AND understood your post. Mine was, and still is, bssed on that!
I don't get your "elevated purchase price" at all then.
Five year old
Mercedes E-Sprinter, 8,000 miles £12.4k
VW E-Transporter, 9,000 miles £9.8k
Compare with
Five year old
Citroen Dispatch, 109k miles £8k
Toyota Proace, 41k miles £12k
Not "elevated" by my reckoning.
Vin
That's because nobody wants them!😁
That alone should be enough to warn you off. Horses for courses though.🙂
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That's because nobody wants them!😁
That alone should be enough to warn you off. Horses for courses though.🙂
I think you are entirely correct.
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Those DFSK vans seem cheap and chips to buy.
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Those DFSK vans seem cheap and chips to buy.
I looked at a Chinese import van, it was a maxus eDeliver. It was really cheap about £10k 1y old and around 5k miles.
It was rated at around 1t but when I looked underneath it :o I reckon I could have made a better job of manufacturing it in my shed.
Absolutely no danger I'd bolt a tank into one of them.
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I looked at a Chinese import van, it was a maxus eDeliver. It was really cheap about £10k 1y old and around 5k miles.
It was rated at around 1t but when I looked underneath it :o I reckon I could have made a better job of manufacturing it in my shed.
Absolutely no danger I'd bolt a tank into one of them.
I agree about current quality and, at the same time, I suspect that in about ten years you'll be looking back in wonder at how bad they were given they're now everywhere.
Vin
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I personally think the depreciation costs together with having to replace batteries on EV's in the secondhand market is what will kill the EV sales.
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How do you manage to run at 20.....I run at 75 with a rinse bar.....will try halving that tomorrow and see.
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How do you manage to run at 20.....I run at 75 with a rinse bar.....will try halving that tomorrow and see.
All depends on the size of the jets. I have a brush with 3mm jets which requires a pump speed of around 40. 1.4mm jets run at 20 gives me the same level of cleaning efficiency and a more powerful jet!
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The latest problem is how much copper is in the charging leads. They are going round early morning and pinching them and selling them or getting £60 of copper out of them. They even chop them like what happened at Porsche & Merc garages and caused £80k worth of damage. Guy in USA woke up and had to buy a new one because it took the young guy 13 seconds to steal it. $2700 it cost him for a new one. I think hybrid is the real winner out of the RV revolution.
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$2700 for a charging lead?
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$2700 for a charging lead?
That's what he said on Utube. If he had waited a week he could have bought his own back on Ebay for $1k. Maybe that's the reason some EVs don't come with a charging cable. Once your cable disappears you can let us know what was the cost to replace it.
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$2700 for a charging lead?
That's what he said on Utube. If he had waited a week he could have bought his own back on Ebay for $1k. Maybe that's the reason some EVs don't come with a charging cable. Once your cable disappears you can let us know what was the cost to replace it.
I bought a spare.
£119
https://voldt.co.uk/products/type-2-type-2-mode-3-16a-11kw?variant=47261982654798
11kw 4m long, same as the one supplied with the van.
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I just bought a petrol kangoo . Felt electric was expensive to buy . And on the island I live no one to fix if it goes belly up .
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The latest problem is how much copper is in the charging leads. They are going round early morning and pinching them and selling them or getting £60 of copper out of them. They even chop them like what happened at Porsche & Merc garages and caused £80k worth of damage. Guy in USA woke up and had to buy a new one because it took the young guy 13 seconds to steal it. $2700 it cost him for a new one. I think hybrid is the real winner out of the RV revolution.
Scrap copper is about £5 a kilo. Did his charging cables really weigh 12kg?
Doesn't sound likely to me.
Every joule of energy a hybrid uses comes from burning hydrocarbons (plug-in hybrids less so). It cannot possibly be the solution to the problem of using clean, non CO2 producing, energy to power vehicles.
Anyway, the thread was about EVs. Hybrids aren't EVs.
Vin
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I've learned something from this thread.
That a secondhand Electric van might be a good buy right now. If I was in the market (my van miles are usually 25 to 35 in a day - minimum 10, maximum 50) I would consider one.
However as my van is on 75K and 12 years old and I aim to stop window cleaning within 5 years I hope it will see me through.
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Scrap copper is about £5 a kilo. Did his charging cables really weigh 12kg?
I think they are talking about the cable that comes out of the charging station. They use boltcutters and chop everyone of them. Its a nice earner if you have a full row of them at a carpark. I think in future they will change to the same idea as the air hose. Once you put in your debit card then it will allow you to pull it out. It costs a fortune to fix it when its been chopped.
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Scrap copper is about £5 a kilo. Did his charging cables really weigh 12kg?
I think they are talking about the cable that comes out of the charging station. They use boltcutters and chop everyone of them. Its a nice earner if you have a full row of them at a carpark. I think in future they will change to the same idea as the air hose. Once you put in your debit card then it will allow you to pull it out. It costs a fortune to fix it when its been chopped.
Even better idea is to just have a socket. Punters can carry their own cable.
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Scrap copper is about £5 a kilo. Did his charging cables really weigh 12kg?
I think they are talking about the cable that comes out of the charging station. They use boltcutters and chop everyone of them. Its a nice earner if you have a full row of them at a carpark. I think in future they will change to the same idea as the air hose. Once you put in your debit card then it will allow you to pull it out. It costs a fortune to fix it when its been chopped.
Even better idea is to just have a socket. Punters can carry their own cable.
Just for info:
Some of the 'Big' chargers have liquid cooled cables to enable the conductors to be thinner and thus lighter. Having to carry your own cable capable of carrying 300Kw would be way too heavy for a fair few people.
The chargers that take a customers cable are normally only up to about 22Kw and are AC, the 'bigger' ones are DC chargers and, I believe are required to have their own tethered cables under the CSS spec.
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Interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/mVGuRPSKb3U
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Interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/mVGuRPSKb3U
He is just a mouth piece for EVs. He doesn't mention the UK only truck maker went bust last week. The problem is the battery is only guaranteed for 8 years if lucky. If they had faith in them then they would increase this to at least 12 years but some have reduced this to 6 years. It seems like EVs will be a throw away market so good for manufacturing.
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Interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/mVGuRPSKb3U
He is just a mouth piece for EVs. He doesn't mention the UK only truck maker went bust last week. The problem is the battery is only guaranteed for 8 years if lucky. If they had faith in them then they would increase this to at least 12 years but some have reduced this to 6 years. It seems like EVs will be a throw away market so good for manufacturing.
You may need some evidence to back up your opinions.
Here's some evidence that batteries aren't "throw away". If you read it, you might just change your mind. https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/the-truth-about-electric-car-battery-degradation-apYqu1y6IYnr
As for "The problem is the battery is only guaranteed for 8 years if lucky.", the article also contains this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G38yq9n7/Clipboard01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Which might also change your mind. But I won't hold my breath.
But it's OK. The more people refuse to accept that EVs are an excellent solution for 90% of drivers, the cheaper EVs will be secondhand. Given I only plan to buy secondhand, the more anti-EV propaganda, the better.
Vin
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Interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/mVGuRPSKb3U
He is just a mouth piece for EVs. He doesn't mention the UK only truck maker went bust last week. The problem is the battery is only guaranteed for 8 years if lucky. If they had faith in them then they would increase this to at least 12 years but some have reduced this to 6 years. It seems like EVs will be a throw away market so good for manufacturing.
You may need some evidence to back up your opinions.
Here's some evidence that batteries aren't "throw away". If you read it, you might just change your mind. https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/the-truth-about-electric-car-battery-degradation-apYqu1y6IYnr
As for "The problem is the battery is only guaranteed for 8 years if lucky.", the article also contains this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G38yq9n7/Clipboard01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Which might also change your mind. But I won't hold my breath.
But it's OK. The more people refuse to accept that EVs are an excellent solution for 90% of drivers, the cheaper EVs will be secondhand. Given I only plan to buy secondhand, the more anti-EV propaganda, the better.
Vin
Probably because I'm a retired FF and have seen metal burning at over 2,000 degrees. Like a lithium ion fire which can burn at 2500 degrees. This can burn down carparks like the Luton Airport fire. Once we have a fire on channel tunnel, Ferry or any long tunnel then they will be banned. I think they are great in theory but in reality they are rubbish. That's my opinion but hybrid seem to be making ground. Maybe when salt batteries come out things will change. I would like them to do well but can't see it at the moment.
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The misunderstanding about battery life was disproven with data.
The misunderstanding about battery warranties was disproven with data.
So we'll ignore them, not even acknowledge the point and move on to the next item of anti-EV propaganda. Fires. And I answered that earlier in the thread. So nobody needs to look it up, I'll paste it here.
'PS. My favourite stats on fires come from an article about Tusker fleet management. (1) They have 30,000 EVs and "the company’s insurance records show that not a single one of the EVs on its fleet have caught fire." (2) "A study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency backs up Tusker’s findings. It concluded that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.
Both quotes from an excellent article at https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/tusker-fleet-data-reveals-the-truth-about-ev-fires '
What's next? "Raw material mining"? "Not recyclable" ? "Charged using fossil fuels". "Worse than keeping your old car"? Which to choose, which to choose?
Vin
PS, Luton car park fire caused by... drum roll... a diesel vehicle. BAN THEM!!!! WHO WILL THINK OF THE CHILDREN???!!
(source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68627759 )
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I think they are great in theory but in reality they are rubbish.
Have you tried one in reality?
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Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?
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Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?
To be fair, Vin asked some sensible questions that only someone with experience of fitting and using a wfp system in an electric van would know.
It's not his fault others with no actual experience have chipped in their 2p, regurgitating lies spread by oil companies.
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I've gained the information I needed - thanks Soupy.
Vin
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Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?
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Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?
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Just buy one Vincent! Go on, do it, you know it makes sense!!😉👍
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Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?
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Just buy one Vincent! Go on, do it, you know it makes sense!!😉👍
Then come back and tell us about all the headaches.
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Which headaches? I'm having trouble keeping up. Will the headaches be the battery life you misunderstood or the battery warranties you misunderstood or the fires you misunderstood?
Or will it be something new?
Vin
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Which headaches? I'm having trouble keeping up. Will the headaches be the battery life you misunderstood or the battery warranties you misunderstood or the fires you misunderstood?
Or will it be something new?
Vin
Range issues that I've not had in 2 years of daily usage?
Depreciation that you won't have buying second hand?
Genuinely interested in the predictions.
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One thing I will say that was a headache for us - chargers.
We've had 5 fitted so far in various locations. Only one wasn't a pain in the arse.
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It will soon be a £1 a Kw to charge out on the street. Heard the insurance has tripled on EVs. If you have a bump then the insurance company can right off the vehicle in the realms of safety. Next year road tax comes in for all EVs. If nothing goes wrong with them then they are great but its when stuff begins to happen out- with your control is when the fun begins. In life one always follows the money and this is when the depreciation begins to dive this tells us no one wants them. It should get better but I think Hybrid is the way forward. Toyota are selling one at moment, petrol hybrid that does over 700 miles on a tank of juice. Good to hear how you get on with it but don't park to close to your house when charging it.
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It will soon be a £1 a Kw to charge out on the street. Heard the insurance has tripled on EVs. If you have a bump then the insurance company can right off the vehicle in the realms of safety. Next year road tax comes in for all EVs. If nothing goes wrong with them then they are great but its when stuff begins to happen out- with your control is when the fun begins. In life one always follows the money and this is when the depreciation begins to dive this tells us no one wants them. It should get better but I think Hybrid is the way forward. Toyota are selling one at moment, petrol hybrid that does over 700 miles on a tank of juice. Good to hear how you get on with it but don't park to close to your house when charging it.
More misinformation.
My electric vans don't cost any more to insure than my diesel vans.
How would hybrid be better? Even more to go wrong, just as "flammable" batteries?
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It will soon be a £1 a Kw to charge out on the street. Heard the insurance has tripled on EVs. If you have a bump then the insurance company can right off the vehicle in the realms of safety. Next year road tax comes in for all EVs. If nothing goes wrong with them then they are great but its when stuff begins to happen out- with your control is when the fun begins. In life one always follows the money and this is when the depreciation begins to dive this tells us no one wants them. It should get better but I think Hybrid is the way forward. Toyota are selling one at moment, petrol hybrid that does over 700 miles on a tank of juice. Good to hear how you get on with it but don't park to close to your house when charging it.
You sound way too emotionally invested in your arguments Michael.
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Give it a few years and the electric car will be viewed as a minor blip that we will all be grateful never became a major source of transport. - if it does we are all DOOOOOOOMED
Hydrogen is the real way forward - clean air - clean fuel - convert your current V8 monster onto it .....
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Betamax came out before VHS, yet Betamax became obsolete. It doesn't pay to be the first jumping on the bandwagon of new technology.
Wait until all the problems of EV new technology is ironed out. They have low range, higher insurance, higher risk of battery fires. Price of charging in public is rising, anxiety with range and charging stations. They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU. Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them. EV secondhand sales are depreciating rapidly which in turn fuels new sales. Dealers are refusing to accept old EV's making them become classed as white goods in a throw away society of keep it until it's no longer practical or financially viable to sell.
Hybrids ain't the future as once the battery is knackered the whole ICE car is rendered useless unlike a normal ICE vehicle, people don't realise this.
I'm fortunate I'll retire before needing to worry about EV's being forced upon us owing to ICE vehicles trying to be phased out by government, however the market and public opinion determine the future, not the government.
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Betamax came out before VHS, yet Betamax became obsolete. So did VHS. What's your point? It doesn't pay to be the first jumping on the bandwagon of new technology.
Wait until all the problems of EV new technology is ironed out. They have low range,Not an issue if you're not driving it very far, like, you know, a window cleaning round higher insurance Not true higher risk of battery fires less risk of diesel fires. Price of charging in public is rising if you can't charge it at home don't buy one, anxiety with range we suffered with that for two whole days and charging stations. They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU. Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them. EV secondhand sales are depreciating rapidly which in turn fuels new sales. Dealers are refusing to accept old EV's making them become classed as white goods in a throw away society of keep it until it's no longer practical or financially viable to sell.
Hybrids ain't the future as once the battery is knackered the whole ICE car is rendered useless unlike a normal ICE vehicle, people don't realise this.
I'm fortunate I'll retire before needing to worry about EV's being forced upon us owing to ICE vehicles trying to be phased out by government, however the market and public opinion determine the future, not the government.
Ahem.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1716445496_Screenshot_2024-05-23-07-24-14-31_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg)
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One for Soupy:
https://twitter.com/colinwalker79/status/1687040707083509760
Vin
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They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU.
Damn the EU. Forcing us to have stronger laws than they do regarding the phasing out of internal combustion. Painting us into a corner where they make our government, against its will, create rules more stringent than the EU. Bunch of unelected idiots, they are.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GthrGDd3/Clipboard01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pathway-for-zero-emission-vehicle-transition-by-2035-becomes-law#:~:text=The%20zero%20emission%20vehicle%20(%20ZEV,increasing%20to%20100%25%20by%202035.
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Betamax came out before VHS, yet Betamax became obsolete. It doesn't pay to be the first jumping on the bandwagon of new technology.
Wait until all the problems of EV new technology is ironed out. They have low range, higher insurance, higher risk of battery fires. Price of charging in public is rising, anxiety with range and charging stations. They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU. Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them. EV secondhand sales are depreciating rapidly which in turn fuels new sales. Dealers are refusing to accept old EV's making them become classed as white goods in a throw away society of keep it until it's no longer practical or financially viable to sell.
Hybrids ain't the future as once the battery is knackered the whole ICE car is rendered useless unlike a normal ICE vehicle, people don't realise this.
I'm fortunate I'll retire before needing to worry about EV's being forced upon us owing to ICE vehicles trying to be phased out by government, however the market and public opinion determine the future, not the government.
Step away from the daily express/mail/telegraph/sun.
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Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them.
Not selling enough...
(https://i.postimg.cc/vTghqQ7R/Clipboard02.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Article at: https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/electric-vehicles-uk-sales-price-b2540169.html
Some manufacturers are pulling out of making them? I ask because I had a good look and all I could find was Volvo selling off its share in Polestar in order to concentrate on building EVs under the Volvo name. Can you let me know which manufacturer is stopping making them?
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Interesting thread this.
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Soupy, need a word, please, and I've lost your phone number. Could you drop me an email (see below), please?
Vin
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I think the tipping point will be if Trump gets in. He is trying to work with big oil companies. Next year will be interesting and China are selling EVs at half the price of their competitors.
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I guess they will have to ban petrol lawnmowers, strimmers and hedgecutters and of course petrol/diesel powered boats?
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I guess they will have to ban petrol lawnmowers, strimmers and hedgecutters and of course petrol/diesel powered boats?
I've got a gardening business. We use all electric strimmers and hedge trimmers. Stihl ones. They're great.
Not mowers unfortunately, they only really last 1 lawn which isn't much use to us.
I'm sure it'll get there.
I don't much care for boats.
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I think the tipping point will be if Trump gets in. He is trying to work with big oil companies. Next year will be interesting and China are selling EVs at half the price of their competitors.
Not sure how old trumpster would make much of a difference. As you say it's China that appear to be driving the EV revolution. America would do well to not let their current market dominance slip into the hands of the CCP.
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I think the tipping point will be if Trump gets in. He is trying to work with big oil companies. Next year will be interesting and China are selling EVs at half the price of their competitors.
Not sure how old trumpster would make much of a difference. As you say it's China that appear to be driving the EV revolution. America would do well to not let their current market dominance slip into the hands of the CCP.
All Trump needs to do is ban Chinese EVs or put a heavy tariff on them. Because the yuan is 90% cheaper than the dollar means wages in China is 90% cheaper to build. The yuan or renminbi is pegged to the US dollar.
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Trump needs to get voted in first.
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EV market is for those able to charge from home which isn't for the majority of working families who street park. For this simple reason alone EV's will never be the first choice of many and without government trying their hardest to force us all to go electric it will never come to fruition .
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Is charging across a pavement a problem that could never be solved?
I ask because the third response on Google to 'ev charging across pavement' gave me this: https://green-mole.co.uk/ev-charging-for-terraced-households/
Fourth: https://www.chargegully.com/
Fifth: https://www.kerbocharge.com/
I'm sure the list goes on. I'm also sure that in a vast, growing market like this there will be hundreds of suppliers and prices will plummet.
More importantly, you'd have to assume that human beings, who have the ingenuity to send rockets into space, invent Hull and create the marvel that is sticky toffee pudding will throw their hands up and admit defeat when faced by by two metres of tarmac.*
Vin
PS, I'm already prepared for the possibility that the usual suspects will, by sheer chance, have surprisingly strong views on the look of pavements that they have previously kept to themselves.
* That already has electricity, water, gas, phone lines, fibre optic and sewage somehow getting across it.
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I guess they will have to ban petrol lawnmowers, strimmers and hedgecutters and of course petrol/diesel powered boats?
For the sake of argument let's assume that, for some genuinely valid reason, literally the only way to run a mower turned out to be petrol.
Would that be a good reason to draw the conclusion that CO2 emissions from motor vehicles should never be addressed?
Vin
PS Inland waterway boats (I own a share in one) are on the list. Date for ban on new diesel/petrol seems to keep changing but it's on its way.
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EV market is for those able to charge from home which isn't for the majority of working families who street park. For this simple reason alone EV's will never be the first choice of many and without government trying their hardest to force us all to go electric it will never come to fruition .
To be fair if I didn't have places where I could charge an EV I wouldn't have one. Waking up every morning to a "full tank" is great.
Another issue I have is that charging at home is way cheaper than charging at work. There are no comparable business tariffs to the likes of octopus's 7.5p night rate.
https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-octopus-go
The night rate I have at work is something like 25p. Although this was signed up to during the big energy rip off. Still works out cheaper per mile than diesel though.
As Vin said, the charging network will improve.
Just look at Norway.
https://www.visitnorway.com/plan-your-trip/getting-around/by-car/electric-cars/
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Just look at Norway.
https://www.visitnorway.com/plan-your-trip/getting-around/by-car/electric-cars/
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Norway is probably the richest country in the world. They were saying their EVs work well in winter then they told us how. They keep them in a heated garage over night. They also get 99% of their energy from Hydro.
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Norway is probably the richest country in the world. They were saying their EVs work well in winter then they told us how. They keep them in a heated garage over night. They also get 99% of their energy from Hydro.
There really must be a point to this post. Probably fires they didn't start at Luton or charger cables being stolen or EVs just being a bit rubbish or a truck manufacturer going bust or Donald Trump. Or something.
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As I've grown older (and boy, am I growing older) I've drawn the conclusion that people detest change.
Explains a great deal of modern life. Change of any kind. People hate it.
Vin
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It’s a long time since we’ve had a decent thread - well done vin and soupy
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Norway is probably the richest country in the world. They were saying their EVs work well in winter then they told us how. They keep them in a heated garage over night. They also get 99% of their energy from Hydro.
Great.
Why would we not want to aspire to that?
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1716548999_Screenshot_2024-05-24-12-09-40-60_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg)
Probably 1/2 what you are paying.
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And roughly double what you'd pay on the Octopus EV tariff.
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As I've grown older (and boy, am I growing older) I've drawn the conclusion that people detest change.
Explains a great deal of modern life. Change of any kind. People hate it.
Vin
No, you just hate anyone having a different opinion! Evidently, you can't actually rest until you reach a certain level of self satisfaction with your opponent- hence locking, then unlocking this thread!😉
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And roughly double what you'd pay on the Octopus EV tariff.
Very true.
Not sure if Norway do EV tariffs....
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Trump needs to get voted in first.
Trump needs to NOT get voted in. (At least from my world perspective).
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There are four well set out EV charging bays at the end of our village and they look the business. Every time I walk past them the spaces are filled with different ICE vehicles, nobody uses them, quite amazed that no one uses them.
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There are four well set out EV charging bays at the end of our village and they look the business. Every time I walk past them the spaces are filled with different ICE vehicles, nobody uses them, quite amazed that no one uses them.
Take a look at the Tariff because some are charging way over the odds and it should be licenced.
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As I've grown older (and boy, am I growing older) I've drawn the conclusion that people detest change.
Explains a great deal of modern life. Change of any kind. People hate it.
Vin
No, you just hate anyone having a different opinion! Evidently, you can't actually rest until you reach a certain level of self satisfaction with your opponent- hence locking, then unlocking this thread!😉
If your opinion holds weight you don't need to have 'opponents' or throw in an ad hominem attack.
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First thing they teach at Harvard is to look at both opinions. Businesses that only look at the leaders opinion usually go bust. Only need to look at the news where the Gov or business only focused on one opinion, Post Office and Blood scandal. I was working last Saturday extending the height of a fence and had to finish early due to heat. Went back next day to finish the other side and I realised I did last bit wrong. Realised it must have been the heat and couldn't think in a logical manner. Best businesses, leaders are ones that are flexible and are willing to licence to everyone.
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First thing they teach at Harvard is to look at both opinions.
Did you study at Harvard?
If that's the case why are you so keen to dismiss my actual lived experience? Favouring scare stories and hearsay?
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Anyone have experience of running one and kitting it out for window cleaning?
Remember this? Specifically asking for lived experience. Note that I didn't ask this:
Anyone have any unsubstantiated rumours they heard down the pub that they'd like to share?
Pretty much every opinion that's been shared in this thread has led me to more research. So when you told me the Luton fire was an EV problem, I looked. I found the facts behind the rumour and it turned out it wasn't true. Ditto with your repeated comments about fires. Data from a fleet company proved it to be incorrect.
So I am looking at both sides. That doesn't mean that all 'facts' presented are based in truth or that all opinions are equally valid. Lived experience and data are not equivalent to things a random on the internet heard from a mate.
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Anyone have experience of running one and kitting it out for window cleaning?
Remember this? Specifically asking for lived experience. Note that I didn't ask this:
Anyone have any unsubstantiated rumours they heard down the pub that they'd like to share?
Pretty much every opinion that's been shared in this thread has led me to more research. So when you told me the Luton fire was an EV problem, I looked. I found the facts behind the rumour and it turned out it wasn't true. Ditto with your repeated comments about fires. Data from a fleet company proved it to be incorrect.
So I am looking at both sides. That doesn't mean that all 'facts' presented are based in truth or that all opinions are equally valid. Lived experience and data are not equivalent to things a random on the internet heard from a mate.
I have a lot of respect for you, Vin and the way you analyse things; always have had.
15 years ago I would have been dead against an electric vehicle as the only experience I had was with the electric Berlingo Citroën bought out some 25 years ago.
I'm grateful to Soupy for reminding me about my dogmatic views back then. My stance has mellowed a little over the years as EV's have become more common.
Judging by the limited mileage you do and the issues we have with diesels doing low mileage with dpf filters, we do need to consider other possibilities. An EV is probably the best way forward for you, but it may not be for everyone.
As more and more cities are introducing low emission zones, businesses operating within the boundaries of these zones will be 'forced' to consider other options, whether they like it or not.
I'm perhaps a hypocrite because, reluctantly, I succumbed to buying a Lithium LIFEPO4 battery to replace my leisure battery. While I questioned my sanity to begin with, I'm falling in love with this technology. I haven't had to bench charge this battery in the last 3 months. In fact, I have had to switch off my b2b charger to drain the battery a little.
Would I consider an EV? No, but my remaining working life is now short, and we don't have an emission zone to contend with.
But if I was in your situation, it would certainly be a possibility.
What is the future of the EV market? Who knows!
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Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.
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Some EV manufacturers (e.g. Tesla for some models) have moved to LiFePO4. Much easier to deal with.
Vin
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Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.
Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
It's getting delivered this coming wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎
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Did you study at Harvard?
No, but I read the book the guy who studied there wrote. I read a book a week. In the end its all what suits ones business model. What an EV van can take weight wise is first thing we need to know and second is how we are going to charge it. Bolting on the system would be number 3 on our list. I would be interested when the 4250kg ones come out but I think they would be well over £50k.
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Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.
Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
It's getting delivered this coming wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎
Good choice, I would have the Formentor over a T-Roc
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Some EV manufacturers (e.g. Tesla for some models) have moved to LiFePO4. Much easier to deal with.
Vin
The downside is that LifePO4 batteries don't have the density Lithium Ion does. So LifePO4 batteries don't have the punch Lithium ion does. I don't think it's a problem because these lithium ion EV vehicles have crazy acceleration, which isn't necessary.
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I thought lithium phosphate batteries were the ones on the Dreamliner and kept going on fire so they changed them to lithium ion.
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
I’ve had both, in fact my wife still has the X4 M40i, out of the two I prefer the BMW.
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I thought lithium phosphate batteries were the ones on the Dreamliner and kept going on fire so they changed them to lithium ion.
No mate, it was the lithium ion batteries that had the problems on the Boeing Dreamliners.
Be worth googling your “facts” before posting to be honest; reading his thread, it’s not been kind to you.
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No mate, it was the lithium ion batteries that had the problems on the Boeing Dreamliners.
Be worth googling your “facts” before posting to be honest; reading his thread, it’s not been kind to you.
I think I will leave EVs alone and bypass the Merc Sprinter (heard the manifold gives problems) and stick with a nearly new diesel VW Crafter. Had one for 13 years now and not had many problems because its fully maintained by my mate who has his own garage. If you take care of things then they tend to last.
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
Mines only the 1.5 DSG but it'll still be OK.the VZ3 are just too expensive IMO.
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
I’ve had both, in fact my wife still has the X4 M40i, out of the two I prefer the BMW.
We’ve always been BMW, but have to say I like the look of the SQ5 and after sitting in a customers, was pretty impressed. Never owned and Audi. We’ll see. Won’t be buying till end of year. Plenty of time to decide.
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Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.
Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
It's getting delivered this coming wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎
Thought you’d be buying a muscle car 🤷♂️
1.5TSI engines are prone to kangarooing at low speeds. Common fault. Don’t know if they’ve cured it yet. My Son has the same engine in an Octavia. Does his head in. Utter crap from VW yet again.
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/electric-hatchback-heavy-jeep-needed-110200681.html
Interesting read about tyres lasting 7500miles on an EV car, wonder if its the same with vans?
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/electric-hatchback-heavy-jeep-needed-110200681.html
Interesting read about tyres lasting 7500miles on an EV car, wonder if its the same with vans?
I just returned a mercedes evito. It had 18,000 miles on it. It has been at max capacity pretty much all it's miles (650l tank - 2 man system), driven by a young lad, so most likely flat out.
I had to replace the front tyres at 10k and rotate them at 15k. Definitely more frequent than a diesel but more down to driving style than the power train.
Low end torque is fun.
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Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.
Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
It's getting delivered this coming wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎
Thought you’d be buying a muscle car 🤷♂️
1.5TSI engines are prone to kangarooing at low speeds. Common fault. Don’t know if they’ve cured it yet. My Son has the same engine in an Octavia. Does his head in. Utter crap from VW yet again.
I'm big fan of the DSG automatic gearbox...had one in my GTD...I doubt I'll have any problems...the car is brand new!😎👍
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Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.
Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
It's getting delivered this coming wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎
Thought you’d be buying a muscle car 🤷♂️
1.5TSI engines are prone to kangarooing at low speeds. Common fault. Don’t know if they’ve cured it yet. My Son has the same engine in an Octavia. Does his head in. Utter crap from VW yet again.
I'm big fan of the DSG automatic gearbox...had one in my GTD...I doubt I'll have any problems...the car is brand new!😎👍
Google it.
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It only effected manual cars with software issues.mines an automatic!😎👍
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Decision made.
Waiting for response from the people involved in running a cable across the pavement. Local council has no policy available yet so, bizarrely, my request seems to have come as a total surprise to them and panic has ensued.
Pleased to find there's a £350 grant towards crossing pavements, which is nice.
So, the next change of vehicle will be to an EV. Soupy's advice about having run them and been more than happy has helped - ta!
One debate now remains. Get a vehicle insanely cheap (4 yo, below £10k) that will do a day on a charge or get a vehicle reasonably cheap (4yo, £16k) that'll do a week.
Vin
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!👍😎
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!👍😎
I hated all the controls being touch screen. I much prefer the important buttons being, well actual buttons.
I also found it quite bland to drive, and boring inside.
Glad you like it! Have fun!
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!👍😎
I’m surprised you went for the 1.5. Now that you are living rent free, or soon to be living rent free? I thought you would av pushed the boat out and got something with a bit of oooomph!
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!
I’m surprised you went for the 1.5. Now that you are living rent free, or soon to be living rent free? you would av pushed the boat out and got something with a bit of oooomph!
Like a Tesla or Jag ipace??
;D
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!👍😎
I’m surprised you went for the 1.5. Now that you are living rent free, or soon to be living rent free? I thought you would av pushed the boat out and got something with a bit of oooomph!
It's still quite nippy.obviously not as fast as the GTD or GTIs I've had in the past but no small SUVs are slouches these days....my missus will also be using it occasionally....its already been named as Dazmondos batmobile by the missus due to the curved black bonnet!😆👍🤣
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!👍😎
I hated all the controls being touch screen. I much prefer the important buttons being, well actual buttons.
I also found it quite bland to drive, and boring inside.
Glad you like it! Have fun!
Touch screen is the way things are going these days,I'm used to it as my last golf hardly had any physical buttons....
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Interesting turn on the topic....
But funny, been looking for new car myself, was tempted by the Cupra, but decided against it, as didn't like the design (my personal choice only though).
Hated the Tesla vehicles with nowt on the dash other than a tablet. I like the old fashioned button s to play with.
Opted for a BWM 330E Pro plug in hybrid in the end. I love it, really quick car, so comfortable and looks stunning.
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Interesting turn on the topic....
But funny, been looking for new car myself, was tempted by the Cupra, but decided against it, as didn't like the design (my personal choice only though).
Hated the Tesla vehicles with nowt on the dash other than a tablet. I like the old fashioned button s to play with.
Opted for a BWM 330E Pro plug in hybrid in the end. I love it, really quick car, so comfortable and looks stunning.
Very nice!
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Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed. Hated the infotainment system. Nevertheless, enjoy it :)
Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.
My cupra got delivered yesterday.....the infotainment system is much better than my golf GTD in my last car,it connects to my phone effortlessly,it's much bigger too...
It's like a golf on steroids!love it!👍😎
I hated all the controls being touch screen. I much prefer the important buttons being, well actual buttons.
I also found it quite bland to drive, and boring inside.
Glad you like it! Have fun!
Touch screen is the way things are going these days,I'm used to it as my last golf hardly had any physical buttons....
I know mate, but you can have the best of both worlds. I’m a fan of having some physical buttons for heating/AC etc.
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Back on topic I will defo be interested in a new electric van in the next 7 years or so.i will probably have to incorporate an immersion system to heat my water rather than a diesel heater as I don't fancy having a separate tank for filling up.it would be difficult too i imagine depending on where the batteries are in the van..
My average mileage per year in my van is around 3000 miles and I will have a large driveway to install a charging point at home...
Is there any companies who professionally fit immersion heating systems in vans for window cleaning?(as I don't feel confident in doing the job myself).
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In 7 years time if diesel is further out of favour, I guess companies such as Grippa would provide some sort of immersion option for their systems.
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In 7 years time if diesel is further out of favour, I guess companies such as Grippa would provide some sort of immersion option for their systems.
Hadn't thought of that but if you're comparing like for like, a 9kW heater like Grippas would require an electric heater with the same power rating. Buy a Toyota Proace with a 50kWh battery, run the heater for three hours and you've worse than halved your range.
Interesting problem if you run hot water.
Vin
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I was assuming more on the lines of current users where they heat the water overnight. Not as effective as on demand from a webasto, but I suppose an insulated tank would help.
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Of course in 7 years time Daz will probably only be working 3 hour days, so water from an immersion should stay quite hot for him.
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Back on topic I will defo be interested in a new electric van in the next 7 years or so.i will probably have to incorporate an immersion system to heat my water rather than a diesel heater as I don't fancy having a separate tank for filling up.it would be difficult too i imagine depending on where the batteries are in the van..
My average mileage per year in my van is around 3000 miles and I will have a large driveway to install a charging point at home...
Is there any companies who professionally fit immersion heating systems in vans for window cleaning?(as I don't feel confident in doing the job myself).
Better off with a diesel tank for the heater IMO.
You're not going to want to run an emersion off your van battery, if that's even possible? On demand diesel heating is a very different prospect to insulating then night heating a tank of water via an emersion from your mains.
Once you go on demand hot - you don't go back, right?
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I was discussing this with Oliver because I have one of their hot water system. He was saying he has to fit a small diesel tank to run the Webasto heater on EV vans.
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
Got to feel sorry for the folks in London that have bought an EV to avoid the congestion charge.
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
Got to feel sorry for the folks in London that have bought an EV to avoid the congestion charge.
Yeh me so I will have to go euro 6 that's if they don't tax them aswell
I have till December next year
But iam hurting badly atm
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Ulez is just a money making racket and nothing to do with air quality. The councils need money so they will all copy each other. Up here, the speed cameras are disappearing and average speed cameras are taking their place. The folk running them were saying one ASC was making money everyday but they can't tell us where it is. Everything now revolves around money and road tax on EVs comes in next year.
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
You got a source for that Mcs?
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25 December 2025
It might not be a very Merry Christmas for electric vehicle owners living in London by the time the festivities roll around next year. That's because from 25 December 2025 EVs will have to pay the full amount to drive in the capital's Congestion Charge Zone, Transport for London has confirmed this week.2 days ago
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/ultra-low-emission-discount-london-congestion-charge-exemption-finish-2025
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I have over a year left to think about it but to be honest after 20 years window cleaning in London and all the drama I could move back to north east and commute in a euro 6
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I have over a year left to think about it but to be honest after 20 years window cleaning in London and all the drama I could move back to north east and commute in a euro 6
This is a sounding thought.
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
Try not to worry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QhAZckY8w&pp
Remember it was the albino baboon that introduced ULEZ, under a Tory government too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone#:~:text=The%20Ultra%20Low%20Emission%20Zone,come%20into%20operation%20in%202020.
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In the end, all Govs, councils and public bodies need to generate money. They will go for the easy targets first and that's the motorists.
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
Try not to worry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QhAZckY8w&pp
Remember it was the albino baboon that introduced ULEZ, under a Tory government too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone#:~:text=The%20Ultra%20Low%20Emission%20Zone,come%20into%20operation%20in%202020.
Report to mods, this statement is an insult to baboons.
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
Try not to worry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QhAZckY8w&pp
Remember it was the albino baboon that introduced ULEZ, under a Tory government too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone#:~:text=The%20Ultra%20Low%20Emission%20Zone,come%20into%20operation%20in%202020.
Glasgow?
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
Try not to worry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QhAZckY8w&pp
Remember it was the albino baboon that introduced ULEZ, under a Tory government too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone#:~:text=The%20Ultra%20Low%20Emission%20Zone,come%20into%20operation%20in%202020.
Glasgow?
There's no ulez in Glasgow. Only lez.
They followed suit, just like all the other cities.
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
So glad the tories are out!
I'm a very happy man!along with most of the people from the North of England,Scotland and Ireland!
Time to celebrate 🥳 🎉!!!
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It was you lot that put them in power ! ::)roll
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We have had a nightmare for 17 years and glad snp are out. They have done 0 for us bar talk of Independence. They can't run a bath never mind a country, no one knows where all the money has gone. Not sure if you pay ULEZ if you have a mobility badge because up here you don't if you register it with the council. 😉
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It was you lot that put them in power ! ::)roll
Not me...I've never voted tory and never would mate...
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It was you lot that put them in power ! ::)roll
Not me...I've never voted tory and never would mate...
I can see where he’s coming from as far as Scotland is concerned. The SNP effectively took Labour voters away in droves…….good to see that has been reversed now though.
Maybe you southerners can get taxed to the hilt like us Jock’s now? 🤑😁. Scrap free prescription’s in Scotland and we’ll be on an even keel😉
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Most presciptions are free anyway. OAPs are free as are people with certain health conditions and children, students. I think around 75% of prescriptions end up being free.
Doesn't make much difference to me though, because if I needed it, I am more likely to die than get an appointment with my GP.
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
Nope. Not true in any way, shape or form. It even says it in the article presented as "evidence".
It's the exemption in the Congestion charge zone (central London) not the ULEZ zone (pretty much all of the rest of London inside the M25) that's being stopped. Given that the CC is intended to (as you might guess) reduce congestion, it makes sense. EVs create as much congestion as any other vehicle.
CC Zone is the bit in the middle. ULEZ zone is the big one. So, to be clear, it's the little bit, not the big.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJCmSY0L/Clipboard02.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Odd that a false narrative is being spread on social media, isn't it?
Vin
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
Got to feel sorry for the folks in London that have bought an EV to avoid the congestion charge.
Yeh me so I will have to go euro 6 that's if they don't tax them aswell
I have till December next year
But iam hurting badly atm
Do you do a great deal of work in central London inside the congestion charge zone?
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Yesterday announced all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15 2025. December
Nope. Not true in any way, shape or form. It even says it in the article presented as "evidence".
It's the exemption in the Congestion charge zone (central London) not the ULEZ zone (pretty much all of the rest of London inside the M25) that's being stopped. Given that the CC is intended to (as you might guess) reduce congestion, it makes sense. EVs create as much congestion as any other vehicle.
CC Zone is the bit in the middle. ULEZ zone is the big one. So, to be clear, it's the little bit, not the big.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJCmSY0L/Clipboard02.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Odd that a false narrative is being spread on social media, isn't it?
Vin
Lol
Got to admit I'm pretty ignorant to TFL policies. I visit London every couple of years, love the place but I'm normally far too drunk to be driving while I'm there.
Still, disappointed with myself that I fell for the headlines .
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Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony
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Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.
It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)
Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.
So glad the tories are out!
I'm a very happy man!along with most of the people from the North of England,Scotland and Ireland!
Time to celebrate 🥳 🎉!!!
All my Labour voters (me included) are now saying we were Richer with Richi and now regret voting Labour. I on the other hand think it didn't matter because we were due a recession but I think it could turn into a depression. What's the difference between a recession and a depression?
A recession your neighbour loses their job and a depression you both lose your job. 😂
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Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony
Hi Tony,
Not yet but just on the point of buying.
Took an electric Vivaro out for a test drive. Very pleasing indeed. Really quite amazingly good to drive. Quiet, refined, one forward switch, one reverse and a 210 mile range (probably enough for about a week's use when you take into account the range penalty for the load and a worst case reduction for properly cold weather).
Jumped through a few hoops regarding bolting the tank through the van floor. It was hard to get anyone to tell me if there was room above the battery pack for the bolts but I now know that there is room. It'll need to be up on a ramp to do the work - there isn't the clearance in some spots, plenty in others so it'll need a bit of thought) but I have a local garage happy enough to drop the battery 30cm while we fit.
We don't have a drive (we do but it's a long story) so we're working with the council on a channel across the pavement.
And there's a real opportunity just at the moment. There are a million people out there believing all the lies about Battery Electric Vehicles. The result of that is that they are startlingly cheap secondhand. Toyota e-proace went at auction the other day. 6,000 miles, Grade 1 bodywork, two and a half years old, £11k + VAT
We're just waiting on the right one coming up at auction in the New Year and we'll bag one. By 2035 you'll only be able to buy BEVs so if you're thinking of changing, now's a good time. Eventually people will realise they are the way to go at which point secondhand prices will stabilise and probably increase.
Positives: Quiet, amazingly cheap to run (about 3p a mile if you have a home charger), automatic, fast, great PR, no split charge relays, etc. Servicing dirt cheap (someone on YouTube has run an MG5 for 140,000 miles and replaced only tyres and wiper blades - dozens of BEV owners have similar stories). We also recently had solar and a house battery fitted so we can now run the house on 7.5p per kWh electricity when the solar hasn't fully charged the battery in winter.
Negatives: Bolting tanks in is a challenge, cold weather will drop your mileage by about 25%, more (around 25%) to insure, about as expensive to run as diesel if you have to charge away from home.
Hope that helps.
I'll be back with more when we buy. Should be within a month or so.
Vin
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Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony
Hi Tony,
Not yet but just on the point of buying.
Took an electric Vivaro out for a test drive. Very pleasing indeed. Really quite amazingly good to drive. Quiet, refined, one forward switch, one reverse and a 210 mile range (probably enough for about a week's use when you take into account the range penalty for the load and a worst case reduction for properly cold weather).
Jumped through a few hoops regarding bolting the tank through the van floor. It was hard to get anyone to tell me if there was room above the battery pack for the bolts but I now know that there is room. It'll need to be up on a ramp to do the work - there isn't the clearance in some spots, plenty in others so it'll need a bit of thought) but I have a local garage happy enough to drop the battery 30cm while we fit.
We don't have a drive (we do but it's a long story) so we're working with the council on a channel across the pavement.
And there's a real opportunity just at the moment. There are a million people out there believing all the lies about Battery Electric Vehicles. The result of that is that they are startlingly cheap secondhand. Toyota e-proace went at auction the other day. 6,000 miles, Grade 1 bodywork, two and a half years old, £11k + VAT
We're just waiting on the right one coming up at auction in the New Year and we'll bag one. By 2035 you'll only be able to buy BEVs so if you're thinking of changing, now's a good time. Eventually people will realise they are the way to go at which point secondhand prices will stabilise and probably increase.
Positives: Quiet, amazingly cheap to run (about 3p a mile if you have a home charger), automatic, fast, great PR, no split charge relays, etc. Servicing dirt cheap (someone on YouTube has run an MG5 for 140,000 miles and replaced only tyres and wiper blades - dozens of BEV owners have similar stories). We also recently had solar and a house battery fitted so we can now run the house on 7.5p per kWh electricity when the solar hasn't fully charged the battery in winter.
Negatives: Bolting tanks in is a challenge, cold weather will drop your mileage by about 25%, more (around 25%) to insure, about as expensive to run as diesel if you have to charge away from home.
Hope that helps.
I'll be back with more when we buy. Should be within a month or so.
Vin
Did you get an insurance quote? I’m sure someone on here was quoted silly money to insure an electric van?
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Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony
Hi Tony,
Not yet but just on the point of buying.
Took an electric Vivaro out for a test drive. Very pleasing indeed. Really quite amazingly good to drive. Quiet, refined, one forward switch, one reverse and a 210 mile range (probably enough for about a week's use when you take into account the range penalty for the load and a worst case reduction for properly cold weather).
Jumped through a few hoops regarding bolting the tank through the van floor. It was hard to get anyone to tell me if there was room above the battery pack for the bolts but I now know that there is room. It'll need to be up on a ramp to do the work - there isn't the clearance in some spots, plenty in others so it'll need a bit of thought) but I have a local garage happy enough to drop the battery 30cm while we fit.
We don't have a drive (we do but it's a long story) so we're working with the council on a channel across the pavement.
And there's a real opportunity just at the moment. There are a million people out there believing all the lies about Battery Electric Vehicles. The result of that is that they are startlingly cheap secondhand. Toyota e-proace went at auction the other day. 6,000 miles, Grade 1 bodywork, two and a half years old, £11k + VAT
We're just waiting on the right one coming up at auction in the New Year and we'll bag one. By 2035 you'll only be able to buy BEVs so if you're thinking of changing, now's a good time. Eventually people will realise they are the way to go at which point secondhand prices will stabilise and probably increase.
Positives: Quiet, amazingly cheap to run (about 3p a mile if you have a home charger), automatic, fast, great PR, no split charge relays, etc. Servicing dirt cheap (someone on YouTube has run an MG5 for 140,000 miles and replaced only tyres and wiper blades - dozens of BEV owners have similar stories). We also recently had solar and a house battery fitted so we can now run the house on 7.5p per kWh electricity when the solar hasn't fully charged the battery in winter.
Negatives: Bolting tanks in is a challenge, cold weather will drop your mileage by about 25%, more (around 25%) to insure, about as expensive to run as diesel if you have to charge away from home.
Hope that helps.
I'll be back with more when we buy. Should be within a month or so.
Vin
The problem is as technology improves the older versions aren’t wanted and prices drop like rocks , the reason prices are so low is people won’t buy them , as an example my van is diesel and now is best part of 48k the electric version of it is 27 k and they can’t sell them , also the range in real driving conditions is 80-90 miles that’s what the dealers are admitting. Ime not against electric vehicles but the battery technology is no ware near ready for this type of application I think hydrogen is the way ahead for commercial vehicles . Time will tell I guess .
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I'll make a deal. If, in five years, hydrogen vehicles make up more than 1% of the world vehicle fleet, I'll bare my arse on the monument outside Buckingham Palace on Christmas Day morning.
Fewer hydrogen vehicles sold last year than Ferraris. It takes three times as much energy to move a vehicle one mile using hydrogen than BEV. Not a bald chance.
When a subject is new it's worth spending time to check your sources. Believing what you hear from people who seem plausible but may not know more than they have heard in turn from someone else can really lead you to incorrect conclusions.
Have a look at DPD's fleet and tell me BEVs are a bad idea.
Vin
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I'll make a deal. If, in five years, hydrogen vehicles make up more than 1% of the world vehicle fleet, I'll bare my arse on the monument outside Buckingham Palace on Christmas Day morning.
Fewer hydrogen vehicles sold last year than Ferraris. It takes three times as much energy to move a vehicle one mile using hydrogen than BEV. Not a bald chance.
When a subject is new it's worth spending time to check your sources. Believing what you hear from people who seem plausible but may not know more than they have heard in turn from someone else can really lead you to incorrect conclusions.
Have a look at DPD's fleet and tell me BEVs are a bad idea.
Vin
China are spending a fortune on hydrogen development, DPD have 4 evs down here they 😂 and have run out of charge and been taken back to there depo on a recovery truck numerous times , they are ok around a city doing a few miles but not travelling around doing deliveries in rural areas .
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Odd that DPD are still buying BEV vans.
Equally odd that (bar a handful of very small countries) by far the fastest take-up of BEVs worldwide is in China. You'd expect them all to be hydrogen.
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Odd that DPD are still buying BEV vans.
Equally odd that (bar a handful of very small countries) by far the fastest take-up of BEVs worldwide is in China. You'd expect them all to be hydrogen.
They aren’t down here as they don’t have the range around a city yes they are fine and they might be popular the local DPD depo is 63 miles away from us so up and back is 126 miles before they have done a single delivery , none of the owner operators will have them I have spoken to a few of the drivers to get there thoughts , one driver had one for a day didn’t do more than a handful of deliveries and had to be taken back on a recovery truck there wages are dependent on the number of deliveries they do .
China are world leaders on hydrogen technology ime not saying it will replace electric but it has greater range and more potential than batteries, a guy down the road from me drives an Arctic he has one of theses latest diesel electric ones they drive on diesel until they approach a city then swap to electric it has a maximum range of 7 miles he said he was in Bristol the other week and ran out of power and had to go back to the diesel engine he drives for a very large well known supermarket and they are trialing theses things none of the drivers like them and the supermarket have said they won’t be buying any , so no idea what the answer is . We have exactly the same issues down here with the electric diesel busses they are constantly running on diesel . Ime not against electric vehicles but the batteries aren’t up to the job and there is no ware near enough lithium in the world to make enough , the big battery plant in Somerset that’s supposed to be making lithium batteries is due to close according to the news , and all this is without the huge issues when they catch fire . Just a scooter battery fire is bad enough , you only have to watch a vape battery burn to see the ferocity of the fire . Having been to a couple of ev fires they are virtually impossible to extinguish, several boats carrying them when brand new have been sunk because they couldn’t put the fire out . Maybe all theses issues will be resolved but it’s many decades away .
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Not only have you spoken to many of DPD's drivers, electric artic drivers and electric bus drivers, but you're an expert on Chinese fuel research along with your deep knowledge of world mineral deposits plus you've attended a number of EV fires.
Merry Christmas!
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Manufacturers will be throwing vans at the likes of DPD in order to comply with the ZEV mandate! Easiest way for a manufacturer to hit their goal! There'll be massive incentives from the industry and powers that be for large fleet companies to buy EV's so it would be naive to look at this as some kind of indication of how good, efficient, or appropriate an electric commercial vehicle is for a single user or small company! Everyone has an agenda- especially at this level! The ZEV mandate increases from 10% in '24 to 16% in 2025 so there will be a bigger 'push' from those with an interest next year!
"The Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate is a law in the UK that requires car manufacturers to sell a rising percentage of zero emission vehicles (ZEVs) each year."
"The mandate's goals are to:
Phase out sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030
Achieve 100% zero emission van sales by 2035"
It's my opinion that EV's will not be the future of commercial transport, certainly not in it's current form. However, that's just my opinion and doesn't mean to say that a single operator or small, local company couldn't benefit from electric vans if the purchase price was at a reasonable level.
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My next van will be electric.
I’m very close on pulling the trigger too. I’m worried in case I do it now, and then an incentive program comes out.
I just keep watching the prices come down and down.
For less than £30k including vat I can get a “basically” new E-transit. A bit bigger, but it’s got 1500 kg payload, 110 mile range, and will be cheap as chips for me to run.
Stop start journeys are terrible for our diesel vans, but that’s what electric is made for.
Most days I do less than 30 miles tops, so range isn’t an issue for me.
I’ll just get a seperate diesel tank for my hot water system, that’s a bit of a pain, but it’s not a deal breaker.
Three pin plugs in the back for a battery charger are handy too. Never any need for a split charge relay, or power problems.
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My next van will be electric.
I’m very close on pulling the trigger too. I’m worried in case I do it now, and then an incentive program comes out.
I just keep watching the prices come down and down.
For less than £30k including vat I can get a “basically” new E-transit. A bit bigger, but it’s got 1500 kg payload, 110 mile range, and will be cheap as chips for me to run.
Stop start journeys are terrible for our diesel vans, but that’s what electric is made for.
Most days I do less than 30 miles tops, so range isn’t an issue for me.
I’ll just get a seperate diesel tank for my hot water system, that’s a bit of a pain, but it’s not a deal breaker.
Three pin plugs in the back for a battery charger are handy too. Never any need for a split charge relay, or power problems.
So you're going to spend 30k to do less than 30 miles a day? It can't cost you that much in fuel to begin with, surely?
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My next van will be electric.
I’m very close on pulling the trigger too. I’m worried in case I do it now, and then an incentive program comes out.
I just keep watching the prices come down and down.
For less than £30k including vat I can get a “basically” new E-transit. A bit bigger, but it’s got 1500 kg payload, 110 mile range, and will be cheap as chips for me to run.
Stop start journeys are terrible for our diesel vans, but that’s what electric is made for.
Most days I do less than 30 miles tops, so range isn’t an issue for me.
I’ll just get a seperate diesel tank for my hot water system, that’s a bit of a pain, but it’s not a deal breaker.
Three pin plugs in the back for a battery charger are handy too. Never any need for a split charge relay, or power problems.
I would be waiting till after the UK Gov concludes, The government's eight-week consultation period.
They have shot themselves in the foot by cancelling the free fitted charger instal at the owners home. That's like buying a mobile phone and using someone's charger or having to buy one.
Govs around the world are killing the car and van industry by forcing them to make something they can't sell, which is the quickest way to go bankrupt. The turning point was when Stellantis announced closing their Luton factory meaning 1100 jobs disappearing. If this is the future of electric vans then heaven help us because evolution is meant to go the opposite way and be in an expanding cycle not a contraction cycle. VW is now in contraction cycle and so are all the rest, that tells me the policy is not working. Anything we rush through is a nightmare which Boeing will elude too.
It will be good to hear the outcome of the consultation but with no plan in place it will only get worse. On April fools day, all EVs begin to pay road tax and it will be good to know how much it will be. If you buy before then you can apply for a year's free road tax, so I was told.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7x3jgw7no
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Not only have you spoken to many of DPD's drivers, electric artic drivers and electric bus drivers, but you're an expert on Chinese fuel research along with your deep knowledge of world mineral deposits plus you've attended a number of EV fires.
Merry Christmas!
lol all this is common knowledge, we also have an Amazon depo 12 miles away from us and they have over 70 vehicles and not one is electric wonder why ?
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I guess it's also common knowledge that you live in a truly unique part of the UK when it comes to Amazon. They announced a £300m spend on electric vehicles but missed your local depot where you know the details of all their vehicles for some bizarre reason. I don't even know where my local depot is yet you've been along and inspected their vehicle drivetrains. And none of them are electric. Odd again.
https://vanfleetworld.co.uk/amazon-to-invest-300m-in-uk-electric-fleet/
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I guess it's also common knowledge that you live in a truly unique part of the UK when it comes to Amazon. They announced a £300m spend on electric vehicles but missed your local depot where you know the details of all their vehicles for some bizarre reason. I don't even know where my local depot is yet you've been along and inspected their vehicle drivetrains. And none of them are electric. Odd again.
https://vanfleetworld.co.uk/amazon-to-invest-300m-in-uk-electric-fleet/
We do work opposite there warehouse and see the vans parked up there and on the road all ford transit diesels
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All our Amazon vans round here are diesel, I’ve got a mate who delivers for Amazon, he’s in the usual diesel transit.
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All our Amazon vans round here are diesel, I’ve got a mate who delivers for Amazon, he’s in the usual diesel transit.
Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.
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I had to attend a funeral last month on 23rd November. It took me nearly an hour to travel 8 miles because the snow was all over the place. Went by 3 new EV buses which had broken down because they had run out of charge. The bus drivers have been told not to put the heater on because it runs down the batteries, they are all wearing hats, scarfs and gloves when driving them in the winter.
I don't see it as the future, I see it traveling back into the past. 🤔
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A third of DPD's fleet is BEV and Amazon spent £300m on BEVs but no couriers are using them. Odd again.
https://logistics.org.uk/green-mile-homepage/news-features/17-05-2024/dpd-uk-increases-last-mile-deliveries-with-electri
(https://i.postimg.cc/W4sFr1zN/Screenshot-20241225-180659-Firefox.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFndZscw)
I'm going to leave this thread till someone asks a sensible question or makes a comment based in reality.
Till then, fill your boots with your imaginary stats and experience.
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A third of DPD's fleet is BEV and Amazon spent £300m on BEVs but no couriers are using them. Odd again.
https://logistics.org.uk/green-mile-homepage/news-features/17-05-2024/dpd-uk-increases-last-mile-deliveries-with-electri
(https://i.postimg.cc/W4sFr1zN/Screenshot-20241225-180659-Firefox.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFndZscw)
I'm going to leave this thread till someone asks a sensible question or makes a comment based in reality.
Till then, fill your boots with your imaginary stats and experience.
That's because they are being forced into it Vincent. If you can't appreciate that then that's on you! You're potentially reading what you want to hear. There's a reason that you can buy one so cheap and it's NOT because you are in possession of superior knowledge and can somehow see something us idiots can't.
I note that you still haven't actually bought one? You appear to imply that it's a no brainer and here we are 7 months down the line!🤔 That tells me there is a confidence issue. Just buy one, end of. I'm friends with quite a few tradesmen, from sole traders to multi-million construction company and none of them have a single EV. And trust me, some of these guys are way more clever than you!😉
From previous post -
"The Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate is a law in the UK that requires car manufacturers to sell a rising percentage of zero emission vehicles (ZEVs) each year."
"The mandate's goals are to:
Phase out sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030
Achieve 100% zero emission van sales by 2035"
Everyone has an agenda- especially at this level! The ZEV mandate increases from 10% in '24 to 16% in 2025 so there will be a bigger 'push' from those with an interest next year!
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That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.
Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.
Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.
Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?
Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.
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That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.
Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.
Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.
Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?
Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.
I suggest you know exactly what's going on, you're just too puffed up and stubborn to consider any other prospect than what's occurring in your closed, arrogant mind. Your immaturity, in failing to interact with differing opinions in an adult, grown up manner, without throwing your teddy out of the pram is, quite franky, astonishing! But funny, blocking a person because you don't want to hear a different point of view- how old are you?
Now, are you bowing out or not? The fact you couldn't resist jumping back in says my statement must hold some degree of credibility..... You know, as you don't suffer fools an' all that!
Anyhow, back to the point.
So, they are 'being' forced into it. Meaning it's a gradual process under way (zev mandate, as mentioned earlier), present tense, not completed. Conclusion, obvious to every other person on the planet.... They're not running 100% EV.
Correct, not a single operator in my area uses EV vans- fact. They never will either unless the technology develops. Our nearest DPD depot is approximately 70 miles away. Nor do Evri for that matter, and they are all local drivers, contracted out, but zero EV vans used.
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That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.
Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.
Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.
Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?
Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.
You mean to say you are ramming EVs down our throats and you don't even own nor drive one? Away you go and play with your diesel van and give us peace. Come back when you have bought and drive one because you have no Experience at this rate we will all block you!
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That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.
Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.
Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.
Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?
Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.
You mean to say you are ramming EVs down our throats and you don't even own nor drive one? Away you go and play with your diesel van and give us peace. Come back when you have bought and drive one because you have no Experience at this rate we will all block you!
Last warning Scottish.
Don't come on here as a Johnny come lately with your off the wall and now abusive posting
Amazon Avonmouth has a massive depot near me and has loads of electric vans. Diesels too of course.
And Soupy (Arnold Palmer) runs a fleet of both.
Stupid either/or extreme views are just that. Stupid.
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And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it ...
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And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it ...
I'm not being abusive, I thought he had an electric van. Sorry for any offence but I like views from folk with experience.
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And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it ...
I'm not being abusive, I thought he had an electric van. Sorry for any offence but I like views from folk with experience.
It looked abusive to me.
Perfect Windows (Vin) might not be everyone's cup of tea but he has brought a wealth of good window cleaning experience and advice to this forum and I believe he will research meticulously before making a good decision for his business.
If anyone posts spurious comments for or against electric vehicles then expect to be challenged.
But civilly.
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I have a view on EVs - utter poop
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I have a view on EVs - utter poop
Helpful. ::)roll
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I have a view on EVs - utter poop
Helpful. ::)roll
Just simplifying it. They just aren't up to the job, maybe in the future they will be but besides any other argument the range they offer its useless and its not like you can just nip in a petrol station when the fuel light comes on and just refill your tank and off you go.
One day I'm sure we Will all be forced to own one. Glad I grew up with proper combustion engines that make a noise and spew out fumes where something goes wrong you can get a spanner out. You can't even hear these daft things coming in a morrisons car park until theyve almost run you over.
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I have a view on EVs - utter poop
Helpful. ::)roll
Just simplifying it. They just aren't up to the job, maybe in the future they will be but besides any other argument the range they offer its useless and its not like you can just nip in a petrol station when the fuel light comes on and just refill your tank and off you go.
One day I'm sure we Will all be forced to own one. Glad I grew up with proper combustion engines that make a noise and spew out fumes where something goes wrong you can get a spanner out. You can't even hear these daft things coming in a morrisons car park until theyve almost run you over.
Simplifying?
Seems more like simplistic.
I'm sure window cleaners catering for areas in large cities find them very suitable in many situations.
And you've got Soupy on here who runs a fleet of them in Scotland for a large proportion of his rounds.
Your expressed view is entrenched and myopic.
Many people with electric vans rarely need to go to a fuel station as they charge at home and rarely need to do more than 100 miles in a day.
Like sensible Amazon - where they are cost effective they use them. If not they don't.
I could use one easily for my round but I'm not daft enough to buy one in MY PRESENT and near future circumstances.
As for getting your spanner out - great I have rebuilt gearboxes and replaced main bearings in times gone by - times when a car approaching 100k miles was rusted out and fit for the scrapyard.
Modern diesels with sensors and diagnostics don't lend themselves to home maintenance like a Morris Minor much more than an electric vehicle.
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
From the government website ...
From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
From the government website ...
From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.
I believe that is for all new models produced after 2019. For models that are in production the noise generators are optional! I have an EV registered in 2024 and it doesn't emit any sound.
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
From the government website ...
From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.
I believe that is for all new models produced after 2019. For models that are in production the noise generators are optional! I have an EV registered in 2024 and it doesn't emit any sound.
Thanks for the clarification. What made you choose an EV?
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
From the government website ...
From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.
I believe that is for all new models produced after 2019. For models that are in production the noise generators are optional! I have an EV registered in 2024 and it doesn't emit any sound.
Thanks for the clarification. What made you choose an EV?
We don't do many long journeys (over 200 miles), we have solar panels on roof so can get good tariff (7p/kwh to charge). Zero road tax, although that goes soon. Driving one is fun, the instant torque is addictive :-) 7 year warranty. It was cheap, well for a new car it was cheap, same price as a basic Ford Focus. Oh and it has a big sunroof :-)
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
Respectfully, should you not have looked?
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Nothing could compare to a V10 doing silly revs you are right.
If you drive an EV you will be impressed by the instant torque.
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Nothing could compare to a V10 doing silly revs you are right.
If you drive an EV you will be impressed by the instant torque.
Yes. I used to think 0-60 in 5 seconds was blisteringly quick on my old motorbike.
Pretty easy for an electric car.
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Yep been in a Tesla model s or whatever it is, the fastest one, it’s was absolutely mental. I mean mental. Dual motor jobby.
I’d still choose a v8 or straight 6 with a slower 0-60 time. Every time. I just love engines and noise.
Plus the handling is pants in an EV.
There’s also something about gear changes that I love. Downshifts as well, they just make the experience all the more interesting and fun.(obviously in the context of quick cars)
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my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.
The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.
From the government website ...
From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.
This is not the case though they don’t make a noise around town they are virtually silent
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Yeh they are a bit faster but its cheating. Its not a proper machine...whats the point of faster when you cant hear the power.
The burble my old triumph street triple makes when you come off the throttle through its twin arrow exhausts :D
EVs sound like a kids toy, and you can only hear them once you are almost under the wheels in asda car park
Ev`s = gash
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Yeh they are a bit faster but its cheating. Its not a proper machine...whats the point of faster when you cant hear the power.
The burble my old triumph street triple makes when you come off the throttle through its twin arrow exhausts :D
EVs sound like a kids toy, and you can only hear them once you are almost under the wheels in asda car park
Ev`s = gash
New fangled fuel injectors on a motorcycle? For wimps. Cheating. You need to hold 4 Mikuni carburettors open like I do on mine.
;D ;D ;D
Anyway. Back to electric vans.
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Mine sounds like a milk float
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Ah the old "I like the noise and inefficiencies of combustion engines and gearboxes" schtick. Lol
The same people who were telling us that they preferred the crackle of vinyl or they prefer the feel of a proper book. In reality they have dusted off a scratched up copy of dark side of the moon once in the last decade and they get Jordan Peterson to read them bedtime stories on audible.
If you have an emotional connection to your van you're an idiot. If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.
It really is that simple.
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Ah the old "I like the noise and inefficiencies of combustion engines and gearboxes" schtick. Lol
The same people who were telling us that they preferred the crackle of vinyl or they prefer the feel of a proper book. In reality they have dusted off a scratched up copy of dark side of the moon once in the last decade and they get Jordan Peterson to read them bedtime stories on audible.
If you have an emotional connection to your van you're an idiot. If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.
It really is that simple.
An electric van would really suit my round as i only do 3000 miles a year in my diesel van. The only downside is I would have to fit a separate diesel tank for my hot water system so I'm not planning on making the switch anytime soon.
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Soupy.
What's the servicing regime and cost on one of your electric vans?
And what's the longest you've kept one before changing it out?
Do any of your electric vans have hot water systems?
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Ah the old "I like the noise and inefficiencies of combustion engines and gearboxes" schtick. Lol
The same people who were telling us that they preferred the crackle of vinyl or they prefer the feel of a proper book. In reality they have dusted off a scratched up copy of dark side of the moon once in the last decade and they get Jordan Peterson to read them bedtime stories on audible.
If you have an emotional connection to your van you're an idiot. If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.
It really is that simple.
An electric van would really suit my round as i only do 3000 miles a year in my diesel van. The only downside is I would have to fit a separate diesel tank for my hot water system so I'm not planning on making the switch anytime soon.
I'd say that perhaps 3000 miles per year isn't enough to justify the extra initial outlay, assuming you are looking at new (second hand is a different story).
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Soupy.
What's the servicing regime and cost on one of your electric vans?
And what's the longest you've kept one before changing it out?
Do any of your electric vans have hot water systems?
We've done servicing in house on diesel vans for years. Unfortunately we can't do that with the electric vans as we want to keep the battery warranty. We still do brakes and suspension etc. The last 2 yearly service was £130 at Vauxhall. Pretty sure they did naff all.
Not "changed any out". Have returned a few as they were rentals and the rental company was unreasonable. The oldest is a 20 plate. No plans for swapping it out until 2028, which would be longer than we normally plan to keep a diesel.
We only use drop in immersions a few days a year.
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job at hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
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If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.
Does having charger(s) on the premises affect buildings insurance ?
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.
Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.
At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.
Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.
At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.
My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.
Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.
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If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.
Does having charger(s) on the premises affect buildings insurance ?
No.
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.
Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.
At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.
My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.
Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.
It’s a 63 plate transit custom, bought it in January 2016, it’s never had an issue. Ever.
Of course I’ve maintained it, it’s had the usual replacement parts, I.e discs, pads and the odd wheel bearing etc.
it’s been a solid van.
Owes me nothing.
Why would I buy an EV at the ridiculous price they are and lose 100’s of miles range?
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.
Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.
At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.
My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.
Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.
It’s a 63 plate transit custom, bought it in January 2016, it’s never had an issue. Ever.
Of course I’ve maintained it, it’s had the usual replacement parts, I.e discs, pads and the odd wheel bearing etc.
it’s been a solid van.
Owes me nothing.
Why would I buy an EV at the ridiculous price they are and lose 100’s of miles range?
How long do you expect your van to keep running like it currently is? 10 year old can get dicey when it comes To reliability, plus cost of repairs.
Then factor in the nice tax deduction/rebate you get, when you buy a new vehicle, plus 50% less running costs, and you might be surprised that a new/ish EV might pay for itself in a couple of years. Then you’ve got another 8 years or more of a reliable workhorse that costs you alot less than it used to.
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Well its on 136000 miles and it still runs well, the engine will do 200,000 easily.
My plan is to buy another diesel van in the next 2-3 years. Purely because I’d like something newer. And there will come a point where I need to jump ship, but I’m not there yet. My vans still running too well to let it go.
It won’t be an EV, the monthly cost is ridiculous.
Most guys will be spending £350-500 a month on a new van, fair to say?
My van costs me absolutely nothing except diesel and routine maintenance, it just doesn’t make any financial sense for me. Except for tax reasons.
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Well its on 136000 miles and it still runs well, the engine will do 200,000 easily.
My plan is to buy another diesel van in the next 2-3 years. Purely because I’d like something newer. And there will come a point where I need to jump ship, but I’m not there yet. My vans still running too well to let it go.
It won’t be an EV, the monthly cost is ridiculous.
Most guys will be spending £350-500 a month on a new van, fair to say?
My van costs me absolutely nothing except diesel and routine maintenance, it just doesn’t make any financial sense for me. Except for tax reasons.
I’ll be looking at less than £300 a month, for a 1 year old E-Transit.
Nice and reliable for 10 plus years, and 50% less running costs.
My current van is 2017 and has been great, but I know big bills will be on the horizon. Timing is key. ;D
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It’s knowing when to jump ship.
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£46k + VAT for a Custom Sport EV, think I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
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£46k + VAT for a Custom Sport EV, think I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
How much is the diesel equivalent?
When buying an ev it would be best to buy used as the price for vans seems to drop dramatically.
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Obscene amount of money! A years turnover for many single operators. For a box on wheels.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
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£46k + VAT for a Custom Sport EV, think I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
How much is the diesel equivalent?
When buying an ev it would be best to buy used as the price for vans seems to drop dramatically.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1735662778_Screenshot_2024-12-31-16-32-21-30_e2d5b3f32b79de1d45acd1fad96fbb0f.jpg)
Lol
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
Cheap for a reason look at the range
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£46k + VAT for a Custom Sport EV, think I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
How much is the diesel equivalent?
When buying an ev it would be best to buy used as the price for vans seems to drop dramatically.
Diesel equivalent is about £37k + VAT. That is over a 50% increase on when I bought new in July 2019!
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
It’s also a category s so is a right off , that’s why it’s cheap
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
Category S, no thanks.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
Category S, no thanks.
Where does it say Category S?
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
Category S, no thanks.
Where does it say Category S?
The link doesn’t work now but it says category s under the price in smaller print
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
Category S, no thanks.
Where does it say Category S?
Click on item number under 'about this item'.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1735665422_Screenshot_20241231-171622_eBay.png)
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256737691105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eQzqsQMQ5O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Bargain.
Cheap for a reason look at the range
I have one. Works great 👍🏻
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You see, some people are more easily fooled than others!😉
Search on eBay. There's loads going cheap. Stay away from pre 2022 though.
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You see, some people are more easily fooled than others!😉
Search on eBay. There's loads going cheap. Stay away from pre 2022 though.
No need for me yet Soupy, my 2011 fiat scudo runs and serves my needs perfectly still and it costs me nothing. It was bought outright 5 years ago for 5k (52k miles and like new). I traded my old van in for 2k, I paid 3750 for that van 5 years previously! So, that previous van cost me 1750 over 5 years. My current work tool ensures that more of my turnover..... I get to keep.
For me, at this moment in time, the saving in fuel doesn't come close to outweighing the purchase price- particularly when the future value and reliability of EV's is a bit of an unknown still. Plus the inevitable tax which is coming their way.
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
That’s too big for me, I need to be able to get the van in underground car parks for some jobs I do. That range is also pretty dire, imagine what it’s like in the winter!
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
That’s too big for me, I need to be able to get the van in underground car parks for some jobs I do. That range is also pretty dire, imagine what it’s like in the winter!
You can get great deals on on similar equivalents, and smaller sizes you just have to search.
The range is more than enough for me. The max I drive in a day is 50 miles, and that’s only once per month.
Like I say, it won’t work for everyone, and that’s why prices are keeping on coming down. These don’t suit lots of tradesmen, but they do for some.
Get the timing right and I’ll get a nearly new vehicle, for a great price, with half the running costs.
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
That’s too big for me, I need to be able to get the van in underground car parks for some jobs I do. That range is also pretty dire, imagine what it’s like in the winter!
You can get great deals on on similar equivalents, and smaller sizes you just have to search.
The range is more than enough for me. The max I drive in a day is 50 miles, and that’s only once per month.
Like I say, it won’t work for everyone, and that’s why prices are keeping on coming down. These don’t suit lots of tradesmen, but they do for some.
Get the timing right and I’ll get a nearly new vehicle, for a great price, with half the running costs.
It will be more expensive to run than diesel if you use public rapid chargers , but if on a cheap 7 p night tariff then yes it will be cheaper . Like all things it’s swings and roundabouts
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
That’s too big for me, I need to be able to get the van in underground car parks for some jobs I do. That range is also pretty dire, imagine what it’s like in the winter!
You can get great deals on on similar equivalents, and smaller sizes you just have to search.
The range is more than enough for me. The max I drive in a day is 50 miles, and that’s only once per month.
Like I say, it won’t work for everyone, and that’s why prices are keeping on coming down. These don’t suit lots of tradesmen, but they do for some.
Get the timing right and I’ll get a nearly new vehicle, for a great price, with half the running costs.
It will be more expensive to run than diesel if you use public rapid chargers , but if on a cheap 7 p night tariff then yes it will be cheaper . Like all things it’s swings and roundabouts
True, but Thats not also taking into account road tax savings, servicing, mechanical repair bills too.
These should just require basic wear and tear parts on suspension. Servicing is dirt cheap.
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These should just require basic wear and tear parts on suspension. Servicing is dirt cheap.
Batteries don't last forever and they're not cheap i'd imagine. I've no idea how long they last BTW.
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
That’s too big for me, I need to be able to get the van in underground car parks for some jobs I do. That range is also pretty dire, imagine what it’s like in the winter!
You can get great deals on on similar equivalents, and smaller sizes you just have to search.
The range is more than enough for me. The max I drive in a day is 50 miles, and that’s only once per month.
Like I say, it won’t work for everyone, and that’s why prices are keeping on coming down. These don’t suit lots of tradesmen, but they do for some.
Get the timing right and I’ll get a nearly new vehicle, for a great price, with half the running costs.
It will be more expensive to run than diesel if you use public rapid chargers , but if on a cheap 7 p night tariff then yes it will be cheaper . Like all things it’s swings and roundabouts
True, but Thats not also taking into account road tax savings, servicing, mechanical repair bills too.
These should just require basic wear and tear parts on suspension. Servicing is dirt cheap.
Road tax will come in for these vehicles, servicing costs aren’t hugely different there are still brakes , suspension tyres and don’t forget the massive cost if there are any battery issues that they won’t cover by warranty and when they need replacement then it won’t be economical to do that at current prices . I think if you factor in everything I doubt the running costs over a 5 year period will be much less than a petrol or diesel vehicle manufacturers aren’t stupid they aren’t going ti supply a new vehicle ti the market that’s cheaper to the consumer and them make less money
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its about a grand to have a home charger fitted ?
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My understanding is the batteries last a long time. Evidence so far on ev's is encouraging in this regard. I am not planning to buy one (probably retire in next 2 years) but would certainly seriously consider a used one if I were to replace my van.
I don't do lots of miles and could charge van on my drive.
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Isn’t insurance more expensive on Electric vans?
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its about a grand to have a home charger fitted ?
I’m sure Ford are offering a £5000 home fit when buying a new van. Obviously looks like that is an over inflated price to make buying new look more attractive.
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Buying new vans these days is madness.
Here’s is something I’d be looking at.
£19,000 plus vat,
Less than 2 years old,
4,000 miles on the clock.
110 mile range (which is pretty accurate even when fully laden)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202409184174076
That’s too big for me, I need to be able to get the van in underground car parks for some jobs I do. That range is also pretty dire, imagine what it’s like in the winter!
You can get great deals on on similar equivalents, and smaller sizes you just have to search.
The range is more than enough for me. The max I drive in a day is 50 miles, and that’s only once per month.
Like I say, it won’t work for everyone, and that’s why prices are keeping on coming down. These don’t suit lots of tradesmen, but they do for some.
Get the timing right and I’ll get a nearly new vehicle, for a great price, with half the running costs.
Yeah for someone like you, it’s ideal. I do some longer journeys and also use the van for center parcs trips etc. so range is much more essential for me.
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Isn’t insurance more expensive on Electric vans?
No.
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Isn’t insurance more expensive on Electric vans?
Yes they are more expensive to insure as repair costs are much higher (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1735748072_IMG_4491.png)
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£386 more a year on average compared to the equivalent diesel van.
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.
Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.
At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.
My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.
Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.
My transit custom only started to present issues once it hit the 120,000 mile mark.
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I love engines.
Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.
EVs are boring, no soul.
Sure.
A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.
Does your transit custom have a soul?
Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.
Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.
Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.
At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.
My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.
Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.
My transit custom only started to present issues once it hit the 120,000 mile mark.
My Custom would have to be the ripe old age of 30 before reaching that mile mark, just another 25 years to go 😆
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
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Wait 2 years then buy used, assuming the price drops enough.
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔
Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
According to the majority of the motoring press and manufacturers data the life span of the batteries in theses things is 8-10 years with some possibility a few might make 15 years with greatly reduced range , so let’s say you buy one that’s 2 years old you could be looking at replacing the battery in 6 years at a cost of 5-20k depending on make and type . So with the depreciation as well the vehicle will be scrapped as it won’t be viable to replace the battery , doesn’t sound like a very viable option to me
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔
Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?
Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?
Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?
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According to the majority of the motoring press and manufacturers data the life span of the batteries in theses things is 8-10 years with some possibility a few might make 15 years with greatly reduced range , so let’s say you buy one that’s 2 years old you could be looking at replacing the battery in 6 years at a cost of 5-20k depending on make and type . So with the depreciation as well the vehicle will be scrapped as it won’t be viable to replace the battery , doesn’t sound like a very viable option to me
I can't begin to imagine why manufacturers would generally offer 8 years' warranty on batteries if "manufacturers data" suggests they'll only have an eight to ten year lifespan. Sounds a tad risky to me given that if the average is 9 than plenty will fail before the 8 year warranty runs out. Odd.
It's also odd that several manufacturers are moving to ten year warranties. It's equally odd that Hyundai have recently stated they expect (car) batteries to be good for 240,000 miles. It's remarkably odd that MG have just announced their new vehicle next year will have a lifetime battery warranty. It's bizarrely odd that Honda only a couple of days ago said that they now expect batteries to last twice as long as the vehicles themselves.
Odd all round, to be honest.
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔
Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?
Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?
Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?
Yep, the 'supreme' one is Vin and the usual morons are other contributors who don't share the same point of view as him, who are assumed to read a certain newspaper and (clearly) generally regarded by him as a bit thick!
Just wanting clarification for the future.😉
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According to the majority of the motoring press and manufacturers data the life span of the batteries in theses things is 8-10 years with some possibility a few might make 15 years with greatly reduced range , so let’s say you buy one that’s 2 years old you could be looking at replacing the battery in 6 years at a cost of 5-20k depending on make and type . So with the depreciation as well the vehicle will be scrapped as it won’t be viable to replace the battery , doesn’t sound like a very viable option to me
I can't begin to imagine why manufacturers would generally offer 8 years' warranty on batteries if "manufacturers data" suggests they'll only have an eight to ten year lifespan. Sounds a tad risky to me given that if the average is 9 than plenty will fail before the 8 year warranty runs out. Odd.
It's also odd that several manufacturers are moving to ten year warranties. It's equally odd that Hyundai have recently stated they expect (car) batteries to be good for 240,000 miles. It's remarkably odd that MG have just announced their new vehicle next year will have a lifetime battery warranty. It's bizarrely odd that Honda only a couple of days ago said that they now expect batteries to last twice as long as the vehicles themselves.
Odd all round, to be honest.
Tesla quote 300,000 to 500,000 miles battery life but that’s theoretical and no real world driving to confirm that . But again there batteries are 13-20 k to replace . If you read the small print the battery’s aren’t warranted for 10 years at all especially Hyundai , don’t take my word for it look up Hyundai for yourself . Also see the attached quotes that make for interesting reading . (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1735935059_IMG_0466.jpeg)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1735935059_IMG_0467.jpeg)
So a battery service is over 5k 😂😂so much for cheap running costs
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You might want to respond to what I posted rather than what you think I posted.
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You might want to respond to what I posted rather than what you think I posted.
I have
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔
Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?
Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?
Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?
Yep, the 'supreme' one is Vin and the usual morons are other contributors who don't share the same point of view as him, who are assumed to read a certain newspaper and (clearly) generally regarded by him as a bit thick!
Just wanting clarification for the future.😉
Well that's the inference you have drawn anyway.
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The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though. I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one :o
As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.
However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.
Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.
Vin
AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔
Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?
Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?
Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?
Yep, the 'supreme' one is Vin and the usual morons are other contributors who don't share the same point of view as him, who are assumed to read a certain newspaper and (clearly) generally regarded by him as a bit thick!
Just wanting clarification for the future.😉
Well that's the inference you have drawn anyway.
I think he has summed it up quite accurately to be honest
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Surely I'm the supreme one?
Or am I the moron?
It must be about me!!
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Surely I'm the supreme one?
Or am I the moron?
It must be about me!!
Has it occurred to you that you may be both?
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Surely I'm the supreme one?
Or am I the moron?
It must be about me!!
Has it occurred to you that you may be both?
Pretty much sums me up, right enough ;D
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If diesel van/cars sales stop by 2035 that means we have another 20 years at least before having to give in the the hairdressers choice of power plant. Gov will no doubt twist our arm by making it so expensive to run a non electric vehicle we are forced but until that time let the fuel burn.
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Oh no! Looks like BT are idiots as well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5rYHXTL/Clipboard01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
However, I predict that, even as they are phased in, every single BT van sighted by a small group of window cleaners around a handful of clearly specified areas will be diesel. Also that all the drivers spoken to by those same window cleaners will hate them. Even though they all drive diesels.
Vin
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Oh no! Looks like BT are idiots as well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5rYHXTL/Clipboard01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
However, I predict that, even as they are phased in, every single BT van sighted by a small group of window cleaners around a handful of clearly specified areas will be diesel. Also that all the drivers spoken to by those same window cleaners will hate them. Even though they all drive diesels.
Vin
I predict that a certain moron will continue to trawl the internet and compare apples to oranges in a pathetic attempt to convince others that their opinion is the correct one. This is what narcissists do, they literally can't sleep until they get to that point! Quite sad really!!🤐
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Oh no! Looks like BT are idiots as well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5rYHXTL/Clipboard01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
However, I predict that, even as they are phased in, every single BT van sighted by a small group of window cleaners around a handful of clearly specified areas will be diesel. Also that all the drivers spoken to by those same window cleaners will hate them. Even though they all drive diesels.
Vin
Now now Vin, we both know BT have been forced to buy these Schrödinger vans.
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Oh no, Amazon have fallen for the EV scam and they're buying 148 electric HGVs. They must be mental. They'll all catch fire. And their drivers will hate them. And they'll depreciate. And not be used. People will only see diesel trucks.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
As for me, charging point now arranged, just waiting on the right van to turn up at auction. Thought I'd found the perfect one the other day at British Car Auctions but it turned out to be a rather sexy looking black rather than our standard white. Damn.
Vin
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Oh no, Amazon have fallen for the EV scam and they're buying 148 electric HGVs. They must be mental. They'll all catch fire. And their drivers will hate them. And they'll depreciate. And not be used. People will only see diesel trucks.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
As for me, charging point now arranged, just waiting on the right van to turn up at auction. Thought I'd found the perfect one the other day at British Car Auctions but it turned out to be a rather sexy looking black rather than our standard white. Damn.
Vin
Colour prejudice is an ugly thing.
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Colour prejudice is an ugly thing.
It does read rather badly, now I've reread it.
Vin
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Oh no, Amazon have fallen for the EV scam and they're buying 148 electric HGVs. They must be mental. They'll all catch fire. And their drivers will hate them. And they'll depreciate. And not be used. People will only see diesel trucks.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
As for me, charging point now arranged, just waiting on the right van to turn up at auction. Thought I'd found the perfect one the other day at British Car Auctions but it turned out to be a rather sexy looking black rather than our standard white. Damn.
Vin
That's just a mere 150 over the next 18 months and they will not disclose how many diesel units they currently use! Read into that what you may!🤣🤣
Google states that Amazon run over 40 thousand diesel HGV (or semi trucks). This would indicate a drop in the ocean in regards to their electric contribution. Most probably an effort to "Show" willing.
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‘A range of 310 miles’ that’s absolutely pants.
Dread to think what the real world range is.
For us window cleaners, electric makes a lot of sense. But for big lorry’s, it’s almost laughable.
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‘A range of 310 miles’ that’s absolutely pants.
Dread to think what the real world range is.
For us window cleaners, electric makes a lot of sense. But for big lorry’s, it’s almost laughable.
That's a narcissist's desperation for you!
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‘A range of 310 miles’ that’s absolutely pants.
Dread to think what the real world range is.
For us window cleaners, electric makes a lot of sense. But for big lorry’s, it’s almost laughable.
That's a narcissist's desperation for you!
You what?
Imagine these trucks in the freezing weather fully loaded trailer, trying to achieve 300 odd miles. Ain’t gonna happen!
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‘A range of 310 miles’ that’s absolutely pants.
Dread to think what the real world range is.
For us window cleaners, electric makes a lot of sense. But for big lorry’s, it’s almost laughable.
That's a narcissist's desperation for you!
You what?
Imagine these trucks in the freezing weather fully loaded trailer, trying to achieve 300 odd miles. Ain’t gonna happen!
Completely agree!
You are not the person I was referring to!!🙂
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‘A range of 310 miles’ that’s absolutely pants.
Dread to think what the real world range is.
For us window cleaners, electric makes a lot of sense. But for big lorry’s, it’s almost laughable.
I wonder if Amazon have realised that? Give 'em a shout and let them know.
Vin
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‘A range of 310 miles’ that’s absolutely pants.
Dread to think what the real world range is.
For us window cleaners, electric makes a lot of sense. But for big lorry’s, it’s almost laughable.
I wonder if Amazon have realised that? Give 'em a shout and let them know.
Vin
Oh, they completely have, that's exactly the reason for such a paltry order!
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Oh no, Amazon have fallen for the EV scam and they're buying 148 electric HGVs. They must be mental. They'll all catch fire. And their drivers will hate them. And they'll depreciate. And not be used. People will only see diesel trucks.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
I'm all for electric vans, i think they'll work out great eventually. But that Amazon link is pure nonsense.
For the first time in the UK, Amazon has also launched rail deliveries at scale.
We've had these rail networks in for over 25 years (that i know about) , they're NOT new. Eddie Stobarts run freight regularly up and down the Country from London to Glasgow and everywhere inbetween. So do absolutley loads of other companies. Containers from Felixstowe to Liverpool etc.... Thats all in addition to the Road Freight.
Them 148 electric HGV's are really gonna be fun. Not from a drivers perspective, but from how they will actually be charged and utilized. Drivers will love them i'm 100% certain.
The only way Amazon will become carbon neutral is to make some small fella ride a deliveroo style bike across Europe from China to deliver your electronics. Thats why they're starting to do up the 'Silk road', complete with a bicycle lane.
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Someone is currently frantically 'Googling'!!
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The only way Amazon will become carbon neutral is to make some small fella ride a deliveroo style bike across Europe from China to deliver your electronics. Thats why they're starting to do up the 'Silk road', complete with a bicycle lane.
Oh, I agree, but this is a starting move towards it. Not every problem is fixable on day one.
And I've also no doubt at all that the huge savings they'll make on fuel are a major part of the draw. Once something's so much cheaper than the alternative you can't stop people changing.
Vin
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There's also more to this than meets the eye- just like I said earlier. It is a government supported investment! So, basically, it's incentivised by a 200 million government handout!! It's a bit like the current Octopus 7ppkwh off peak rate- at some point it will all end!
"Future of Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood said: “Business has a crucial role to play in decarbonising our roads, and that’s why it’s fantastic to see Amazon place the UK’s biggest ever order of electric trucks, supported in part by the Government’s £200m ‘Zero Emission HGV and Infrastructure Demonstrator’ project. This comes on top of our £2.3 billion to help industry and consumers switch to electric vehicles, supporting jobs, attracting investment and making Britain a clean energy superpower.”
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The only way Amazon will become carbon neutral is to make some small fella ride a deliveroo style bike across Europe from China to deliver your electronics. Thats why they're starting to do up the 'Silk road', complete with a bicycle lane.
Oh, I agree, but this is a starting move towards it. Not every problem is fixable on day one.
And I've also no doubt at all that the huge savings they'll make on fuel are a major part of the draw. Once something's so much cheaper than the alternative you can't stop people changing.
Vin
Then comes the point when the goal posts change and we'll all be paying more than diesel and petrol. Obviously!
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The only way Amazon will become carbon neutral is to make some small fella ride a deliveroo style bike across Europe from China to deliver your electronics. Thats why they're starting to do up the 'Silk road', complete with a bicycle lane.
Oh, I agree, but this is a starting move towards it. Not every problem is fixable on day one.
And I've also no doubt at all that the huge savings they'll make on fuel are a major part of the draw. Once something's so much cheaper than the alternative you can't stop people changing.
Vin
It’s not cheaper though if you charge from a public supply if doing it from home on a 7 pence per kw at night then it is cheaper but commercial companies will not be getting cheap rate electricity, the costs are very similar , we clean the Windows at a local Honda dealership and the sales people there have said many times unless you have the cheap 7pence tariff it will cost you more to run an electric car than a petrol one
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Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.
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Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.
Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.
Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.
Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)
How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.
Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.
Vin
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Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.
Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.
Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans
Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.
Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.
Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)
How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.
Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.
Vin
Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.
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What's your problem?
Bungle
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Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.
Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.
Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans
Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.
Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.
Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)
How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.
Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.
Vin
Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.
What a sniping comment.
Disagree with any point made if you wish, but if someone wants to put their name to a post then let them do so without inferring character flaws from it please.
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Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.
Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.
Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans
Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.
Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.
Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)
How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.
Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.
Vin
Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.
What a sniping comment.
Disagree with any point made if you wish, but if someone wants to put their name to a post then let them do so without inferring character flaws from it please.
Would the same apply here? Inferring a character flaw? Sniping comment?
Do we have Two-tier moderating now?🤔
"I read Zesty's post. It seemed pretty clear. If I've misunderstood whatever our resident Walter Mitty said, I apologise."
Vin
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Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.
You'll have evidence for that, I'm sure
Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.
I feel it's polite to sign my name to what I say. Been doing it for about 14 years on here (and other forums), but now I know it irritates you I'll stop doing it immediately.
Vin
(I lied)
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Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.
Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.
Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans
Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.
Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.
Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)
How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.
Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.
Vin
Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.
What a sniping comment.
Disagree with any point made if you wish, but if someone wants to put their name to a post then let them do so without inferring character flaws from it please.
Would the same apply here? Inferring a character flaw? Sniping comment?
Do we have Two-tier moderating now?🤔
"I read Zesty's post. It seemed pretty clear. If I've misunderstood whatever our resident Walter Mitty said, I apologise."
Vin
No.
It comes under a response to one comment. If it continues and becomes a pattern point it out, if I don't immediately see it myself.
My remark was about simply putting a name under a post.
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Aren't electric vans etc getting charged for ved.road tax after April 2025
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Aren't electric vans etc getting charged for ved.road tax after April 2025
Yes. £10
Electric, zero or low emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025
You will need to pay the lowest first year rate of vehicle tax set at £10 from 1 April 2025. From the second tax payment onwards, you will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.
£195 if it's second hand.
Electric, zero or low emission cars registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025
You will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.
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Aren't electric vans etc getting charged for ved.road tax after April 2025
Yes. £10
Electric, zero or low emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025
You will need to pay the lowest first year rate of vehicle tax set at £10 from 1 April 2025. From the second tax payment onwards, you will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.
£195 if it's second hand.
Electric, zero or low emission cars registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025
You will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.
I thought so mine was manufactured march 2017. So iam ok however I may have to sell it anyway to get a bigger one and I will be doing more milage so may have to go back to diesel. Shame really I've got used to te £6 charge per week
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."
So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.
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Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."
So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.
Well obviously.
Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.
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Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.
So when Royal Mail invest in EV's, it's not going to help. They're useless.
Yet Amazon are doing the same but they're not useless.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."
So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.
Well obviously.
Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.
It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."
So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.
Well obviously.
Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.
It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.
Yet in Trump's America they have 20,000.
In 1960 British Railways were still building steam locomotives. By 1968 every single one had gone.
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."
So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.
Well obviously.
Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.
It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.
Yet in Trump's America they have 20,000.
In 1960 British Railways were still building steam locomotives. By 1968 every single one had gone.
So, Trump, America, British Rail , steam trains, Royal Mail and Amazon relate to a UK sole trader window cleaner........how?🤔
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Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.
So when Royal Mail invest in EV's, it's not going to help. They're useless.
Yet Amazon are doing the same but they're not useless.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
What I meant is it's just more expense for Royal Mail that they cannot afford.
Who posts letters anymore? Have you seen the price of a first class stamp lately? And it's cheaper & more reliable to use other companies. They're dying.
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Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.
So when Royal Mail invest in EV's, it's not going to help. They're useless.
Yet Amazon are doing the same but they're not useless.
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries
What I meant is it's just more expense for Royal Mail that they cannot afford.
Who posts letters anymore? Have you seen the price of a first class stamp lately? And it's cheaper & more reliable to use other companies. They're dying.
Do you think so?
I'd been waiting weeks for a delivery from evri. It's a vehicle part so I couldn't afford to wait any longer. I contacted the seller and asked them to chase it up. They sent out another one via evri. After another wait I contacted the seller again and asked them to post it royal mail next day, I would pay for the postage. It arrived the next day.
I suppose locally there can be variation between all the delivery companies.
I always prefer if things are sent to me via royal mail. The postie is here every day even if we have no post (we let him use the toilet). Also if it's stuck, I can go to the post office and collect. Not like many of the other delivery companies in my experience (evri in particular).
On a separate note I now have 2 spare CV joints for a vauxhall vivaro if any one is interested...
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https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle
They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇
;D
"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."
So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.
Well obviously.
Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.
It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.
Yet in Trump's America they have 20,000.
In 1960 British Railways were still building steam locomotives. By 1968 every single one had gone.
So, Trump, America, British Rail , steam trains, Royal Mail and Amazon relate to a UK sole trader window cleaner........how?🤔
They do. The price of oil is global. EV is global. If China takes the lead using EV in its massive cities which are like London on steroids then they may steal a march on Trump and his stagnant isolationist ways.
(Of course we are not all sole trader window cleaners on here but hey ...)
If these massive organisations buy thousands of vans then we can see how they perform; maybe buy one when they are sold - or avoid if we find that batteries don't last as long as we are now promised.
If Trump says drill baby drill and succeeds in bringing down the price of oil (oink flap?) we diesel drivers will benefit. But it will also bring down the cost of EV's.
Personally I have no intention of going EV as I hope my current 2.5L diesel will see me out over the next three years.
But if I had ten years to go - with my usual maximum for work of 30 miles a day and a driveway I'd certainly consider one if the price was right.
Especially if I needed to use the Bristol congestion zone.
The steam engine illustration shows how quickly things can change. America got rid of steam in the 50's. The UK in the 60's.
Just ten years prior they were still building them with a life expectancy of 30 plus years.
If we don't learn from history we dig our heels in and might spout from our experience to date.
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.
Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.
Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!
Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.
But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.
Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!
Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.
But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.
Not necessarily, technology could be applied to discount the mileage charge for a public charged vehicle.
Net zero is not for our benefit from a financial point of view. It's just the latest vehicle to ensure the money keeps rolling in at the top!
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.
Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!
Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.
But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.
Not necessarily, technology could be applied to discount the mileage charge for a public charged vehicle.
Net zero is not for our benefit from a financial point of view. It's just the latest vehicle to ensure the money keeps rolling in at the top!
The money will be taxed as always.
The trick is to choose wisely what we will do personally but based on facts rather than preconceived ideas.
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I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣
One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!
Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.
Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!
Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.
But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.
Not necessarily, technology could be applied to discount the mileage charge for a public charged vehicle.
Net zero is not for our benefit from a financial point of view. It's just the latest vehicle to ensure the money keeps rolling in at the top!
The money will be taxed as always.
The trick is to choose wisely what we will do personally but based on facts rather than preconceived ideas.
Indeed. The issues begin when they start to change the goalposts.
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They always will.
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Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?
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Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?
Until April they aren't subject to any tax. After that it's £195
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Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?
Until April they aren't subject to any tax. After that it's £195
Guessing the higher rate if the vehicle is over 40 k for the first 4 years will apply ?
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Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?
Until April they aren't subject to any tax. After that it's £195
Guessing the higher rate if the vehicle is over 40 k for the first 4 years will apply ?
A quick google search suggests that’s true.
You ain’t getting any incentives these days ;D
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If these massive organisations buy thousands of vans then we can see how they perform; maybe buy one when they are sold - or avoid if we find that batteries don't last as long as we are now promised.
Funnily enough, had a thought about this today. Still waiting for the right van to turn up at auction so I started looking at cars. I quite fancy a Hyundai Kona. There's one on BCA, 2021 with 103k miles. Battery health 96%.
Maybe the batteries are slightly better than the pessimists claim.
Nissan did a great deal of harm with the early Leaf, with its uncooled battery. Degraded quickly and convinced people batteries would always be like that. Obviously things have moved on over the past decade. Who'd have thought?
Vin
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Also read research over the weekend that reported the single biggest battery life predictor is how often you use high voltage DC charging. More HVDC, less battery life.
That suggests that if you can charge at home on a standard home AC charger, degredation isn't going to be a problem. Add in that if you can charge to a maximum 80% most of the time, that also hugely improves longevity. For most of us, that would suit our workload perfectly.
Vin
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Also read research over the weekend that reported the single biggest battery life predictor is how often you use high voltage DC charging. More HVDC, less battery life.
That suggests that if you can charge at home on a standard home AC charger, degredation isn't going to be a problem. Add in that if you can charge to a maximum 80% most of the time, that also hugely improves longevity. For most of us, that would suit our workload perfectly.
Vin
10 hours to charge a small 75 kw battery 😂😂😂
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10 hours to charge a small 75 kw battery 😂😂😂
I'll be fast asleep. And it'll be about 20% discharged on my biggest day, so it won't take 10 hours. Apart from those two inconvenient facts, you're bang on the money.
Vin
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
You can’t beat a diesel.
If it wasn’t for DPF’s and wet belts, I’d never be looking into the E Transit Custom.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
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For someone that doesn’t even drive an EV you have one serious hard on for them Vin. Trying to debunk any negativity whatsoever towards them on here is just making you look a bit silly.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
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For someone that doesn’t even drive an EV you have one serious hard on for them Vin. Trying to debunk any negativity whatsoever towards them on here is just making you look a bit silly.
"a bit"?🤔😂The resident narcissist has a wee problem with any other opinion than his own! Some may describe this attribute as being a complete tool! Not me, obviously, but there may be someone out there who would. Just pointing that out as a matter of general observation of course- just in case we start two tier moderating again.😉
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For someone that doesn’t even drive an EV you have one serious hard on for them Vin. Trying to debunk any negativity whatsoever towards them on here is just making you look a bit silly.
Debunking nonsense such as being told that Amazon/DPD etc aren't using electric vans?
I guess I'll just have to keep looking silly.
Vin
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
I've followed your advice.
Vin
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For someone that doesn’t even drive an EV you have one serious hard on for them Vin. Trying to debunk any negativity whatsoever towards them on here is just making you look a bit silly.
Debunking nonsense such as being told that Amazon/DPD etc aren't using electric vans?
I guess I'll just have to keep looking silly.
Vin
They don’t have any down here as they are having to travel to far each day from base. Portsmouth is a different kettle of fish , try and see beyond the end of your nose
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
They have none near me, ZERO! NOT ONE COURIER IN MY AREA USES A SINGLE EV.
Just to balance the bullying!
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For someone that doesn’t even drive an EV you have one serious hard on for them Vin. Trying to debunk any negativity whatsoever towards them on here is just making you look a bit silly.
"a bit"?🤔😂The resident narcissist has a wee problem with any other opinion than his own! Some may describe this attribute as being a complete tool! Not me, obviously, but there may be someone out there who would. Just pointing that out as a matter of general observation of course- just in case we start two tier moderating again.😉
Except Vin puts up cogent arguments for EV and seeks advice in his situation which I don't see refuted except by shrill name calling so far.
You put up cogent arguments for not declaring your van tank as modified which gets you equally shrill opposition.
Remember I support the viability of your case with loading your van from my own position of having a bolted and strapped tank.
And I support the viability of Vin possibly choosing EV from my position of driving A13 year old 2.5 diesel which I don't intend replacing.
This thread started with Vin asking advice about using EV vans.
Please keep it civil.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
Ime not against them but the range and batteries aren’t up to the job end of .
You also can’t read I said a thunder storm probably causing a power surge blew the trip. And I said it’s unusual but it can and does happen the guy came out and couldn’t use the car what’s the problem with that
?didn’t say I wouldn’t have one for that reason but it’s something that can happen.
Bully for you they don’t have them down here as they can’t do a days delivery’s as the range isn’t enough , don’t know ware you are but doubt your delivery drivers do the mileage ones down here do . Guess they are based in Bristol and you aren’t far away from there so yes they can make it work . Just because it works in your area doesn’t mean it will in a rural area .
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
They have none near me, ZERO! NOT ONE COURIER IN MY AREA USES A SINGLE EV.
Just to balance the bullying!
What bullying? See my previous post.
And how does 'your area' translate to what Vin might do in his?
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
They have none near me, ZERO! NOT ONE COURIER IN MY AREA USES A SINGLE EV.
Just to balance the bullying!
What bullying? See my previous post.
And how does 'your area' translate to what Vin might do in his?
Vin is in Portsmouth / Southampton area I believe very built up and lots of compact properties to deliver to so the drivers won’t be traveling long distances, we are a rural area lots of traveling between all towns and huge distances between properties in the rural areas
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
Ime not against them but the range and batteries aren’t up to the job end of .
You also can’t read I said a thunder storm probably causing a power surge blew the trip. And I said it’s unusual but it can and does happen the guy came out and couldn’t use the car what’s the problem with that
?didn’t say I wouldn’t have one for that reason but it’s something that can happen.
Bully for you they don’t have them down here as they can’t do a days delivery’s as the range isn’t enough , don’t know ware you are but doubt your delivery drivers do the mileage ones down here do . Guess they are based in Bristol and you aren’t far away from there so yes they can make it work . Just because it works in your area doesn’t mean it will in a rural area .
I never said they did. Why do you declare EV bad and no good just because it's no good for you?
If not a lightning strike how else will a thunderstorm trip electricity?
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
They have none near me, ZERO! NOT ONE COURIER IN MY AREA USES A SINGLE EV.
Just to balance the bullying!
What bullying? See my previous post.
And how does 'your area' translate to what Vin might do in his?
I've seen it. Every word of my statements still stand!
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
Ime not against them but the range and batteries aren’t up to the job end of .
You also can’t read I said a thunder storm probably causing a power surge blew the trip. And I said it’s unusual but it can and does happen the guy came out and couldn’t use the car what’s the problem with that
?didn’t say I wouldn’t have one for that reason but it’s something that can happen.
Bully for you they don’t have them down here as they can’t do a days delivery’s as the range isn’t enough , don’t know ware you are but doubt your delivery drivers do the mileage ones down here do . Guess they are based in Bristol and you aren’t far away from there so yes they can make it work . Just because it works in your area doesn’t mean it will in a rural area .
I never said they did. Why do you declare EV bad and no good just because it's no good for you?
If not a lightning strike how else will a thunderstorm trip electricity?
I suggest you get your head out of Vin's bum and read a bit better!
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Winpro, your last two posts make even less sense than your previous ones.
Don't confuse a balanced approach to a subject being a personal attack on you just because I don't agree with you.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
Let me check. He'd flattened his battery so low he couldn't get his car to work on what was left in it. (the EV owners I know charge as a matter of course every evening so unless they live 50+ miles from work they could do two trips on one charge)
And on the VERY night he'd done that weird thing a lightning strike blew his house electrics. Something that, in twenty-five years at my address has never happened.
And every Amazon vehicle you ever see is diesel. And every DPD driver in the area is diesel. And you know loads of electric lorry drivers who say they can't abide them.
Tell you what, if I was you I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an EV. Seriously mate, I know you're wedded to having one but please, drop the idea.
Vin
No idea what the state of charge was before he put it on but his work is 35 miles away so combined total of around 70 miles .
The thunder storm blew the trip I assume due to a power surge It did not blow the house electrical system up , re read what I put blew the trip .
Just wind your neck in Ime just relating an experience of what happened if you can’t handle that best not comment please block me so you don’t see my posts .
And yes all amazon vans here are diesel every single one of them , Dpd have a couple of ev but they are based locally not at the main depot as they don’t have the range to do the days trips fact they use a diesel lorry to deliver to the ev vans in an industrial estate . I know several HGV drivers that are trialing the diesel/battery trucks and they are useless there words not mine they also have a reduced payload due to battery weight . As I have said ime not against ev s but at this point in time the range and the batteries are not up to the job .
You can't shut up about how you are against EV. You even chime in on the Good News thread.
You take a lightening strike as a reason not to have one.
Like I've said before - Amazon have loads of EV delivering near me.
Ime not against them but the range and batteries aren’t up to the job end of .
You also can’t read I said a thunder storm probably causing a power surge blew the trip. And I said it’s unusual but it can and does happen the guy came out and couldn’t use the car what’s the problem with that
?didn’t say I wouldn’t have one for that reason but it’s something that can happen.
Bully for you they don’t have them down here as they can’t do a days delivery’s as the range isn’t enough , don’t know ware you are but doubt your delivery drivers do the mileage ones down here do . Guess they are based in Bristol and you aren’t far away from there so yes they can make it work . Just because it works in your area doesn’t mean it will in a rural area .
I never said they did. Why do you declare EV bad and no good just because it's no good for you?
If not a lightning strike how else will a thunderstorm trip electricity?
A thunder storm can cause a power surge at the sub station, it doesn’t have to be a lightning strike that blows the trip if the power goes off when it comes back on it can cause a power spike causing trips to blow or it can blow all the wiring and electric boxes out of the walls , power surges are quite common thunderstorms aren’t the only cause and if you have sensitive trips it will trip them , setting off alarms etc . We regular out to AFA calls that are caused by power cuts then a power surge when the electric comes back on .
Evs aren’t any good for my work or for a car due to lack of range but would work for some I fully accept that . When away from home charging points are also an issue there aren’t enough of them as an example my local Tesco has 1,000 plus car parking spaces but only 4 places for ev charging , most supermarkets are the same and then you pay through the nose to charge , my daughter recently bought a new car from a Honda
dealer in Glasgow we filled it up with diesel and drove straight home over 500 miles you couldn’t do that with ev . The sales guy openly said it’s cheaper to run a petrol or diesel car than the latest ev if you are going to use public charging points . The government will be increasing the tariffs for all car charging points even at home they have already said that , they will still want the same revenue that they get from petrol and diesel sales , so why would you buy a vehicle with a poor range and lay the same as a ice engine vehicle, don’t get me started about reduced range with ev when it’s low temperatures, we are still a long way off developing suitable batteries for this application.
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If you use public charging points.
No good for you.
Buying from Glasgow.
Thunderstorms.
Remember this thread started with Vin asking about EV with a view to him using it.
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If you use public charging points.
No good for you.
Buying from Glasgow.
Thunderstorms.
Remember this thread started with Vin asking about EV with a view to him using it.
Trump's America?
British Rail?.....
Amazon
Royal mail.
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
You can’t beat a diesel.
If it wasn’t for DPF’s and wet belts, I’d never be looking into the E Transit Custom.
Are wetbelts that much of a problem.I have a transit as do loads of my mates in different businesses and I know of no one who’s had a wet belt snap.
I know you hear of it on facebook forums and groups but honestly I don’t know a single person who’s had a problem.
Same with DPF I don’t do a lot of miles and never had a problem had more trouble with my old Vauxhall van.
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If you use public charging points.
No good for you.
Buying from Glasgow.
Thunderstorms.
Remember this thread started with Vin asking about EV with a view to him using it.
Perhaps it’s gone a bit off topic then , but he’s the best one to know his needs we don’t know his style of work , distances travelled etc in a city environment guess they are probably ok if you don't travel far , but once you want to start going 120-150 miles plus they aren’t suitable. Most the viable usable range is much lower I have diesel MAN TGE vans the ev version of it has a maximum range of 110 miles on a good day my local dealer told me in the real world driving it should get 50-70 miles that’s useless this is your typical 3500 kg delivery van this is why delivery companies aren’t using them down here . We do work from Cornwall to London it would take a week to get up there 😂 and cost a fortune using public chargers
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lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does happen.
You can’t beat a diesel.
If it wasn’t for DPF’s and wet belts, I’d never be looking into the E Transit Custom.
Are wetbelts that much of a problem.I have a transit as do loads of my mates in different businesses and I know of no one who’s had a wet belt snap.
I know you hear of it on facebook forums and groups but honestly I don’t know a single person who’s had a problem.
Same with DPF I don’t do a lot of miles and never had a problem had more trouble with my old Vauxhall van.
My mate Jonny runs mount tune, Ford tuning specialists, he’s busier than ever sorting out failing wet belts.
My problem is I do a lot of short journeys with my round, start stop. It’s no good for a wet belt. The oil never gets up to temp in the winter.
I’ve also had DPF issues with my custom. Again cos i do so many short journeys.
It’s all dependant on the type of use.
I don’t really fancy the risk.
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If you use public charging points.
No good for you.
Buying from Glasgow.
Thunderstorms.
Remember this thread started with Vin asking about EV with a view to him using it.
Trump's America?
British Rail?.....
Amazon
Royal mail.
All with relevance explained.
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Winpro, your last two posts make even less sense than your previous ones.
Don't confuse a balanced approach to a subject being a personal attack on you just because I don't agree with you.
It wasn't 'me' I was referring to!
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Winpro, your last two posts make even less sense than your previous ones.
Don't confuse a balanced approach to a subject being a personal attack on you just because I don't agree with you.
It wasn't 'me' I was referring to!
To whom were you referring?
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I refuse to get into an argument about EV van/cars but I also live in the same area as Vin and in all my time I have only ever seen 1 DPD EV van.
It was on a charging point at a Bitterne in a car park and here is the funny thing, when I returned to get my car a diesel DPD van turned up and between the 2 guys they unloaded the EV van and put the parcels into the diesel van so the 1st guy could complete his deliveries .
To be honest this situation really tickled me.
I for one am totally against EV van/cars and would never own unless forced to which I hope never happens
Yesterday I had an interesting talk to a guy (tech expert) who came to my house to reset the computer on my van and even he said don't touch EV's as the do not have the range or battery power to complete a days work if you do a stop start job and even worse in the winter months.
I agreed with him whole heartily.
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I refuse to get into an argument about EV van/cars but I also live in the same area as Vin and in all my time I have only ever seen 1 DPD EV van.
It was on a charging point at a Bitterne in a car park and here is the funny thing, when I returned to get my car a diesel DPD van turned up and between the 2 guys they unloaded the EV van and put the parcels into the diesel van so the 1st guy could complete his deliveries .
To be honest this situation really tickled me.
I for one am totally against EV van/cars and would never own unless forced to which I hope never happens
Yesterday I had an interesting talk to a guy (tech expert) who came to my house to reset the computer on my van and even he said don't touch EV's as the do not have the range or battery power to complete a days work if you do a stop start job and even worse in the winter months.
I agreed with him whole heartily.
How has Soupy run his window cleaning business with EV vans as part of his fleet?
And the Hampshire Chronicle...
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/national/24854384.amazon-announces-biggest-ever-order-electric-heavy-goods-vehicles/
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I refuse to get into an argument about EV van/cars but I also live in the same area as Vin and in all my time I have only ever seen 1 DPD EV van.
It was on a charging point at a Bitterne in a car park and here is the funny thing, when I returned to get my car a diesel DPD van turned up and between the 2 guys they unloaded the EV van and put the parcels into the diesel van so the 1st guy could complete his deliveries .
To be honest this situation really tickled me.
I for one am totally against EV van/cars and would never own unless forced to which I hope never happens
Yesterday I had an interesting talk to a guy (tech expert) who came to my house to reset the computer on my van and even he said don't touch EV's as the do not have the range or battery power to complete a days work if you do a stop start job and even worse in the winter months.
I agreed with him whole heartily.
How has Soupy run his window cleaning business with EV vans as part of his fleet?
And the Hampshire Chronicle...
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/national/24854384.amazon-announces-biggest-ever-order-electric-heavy-goods-vehicles/
as stated I'm not getting into a argument over EV .... just my opinion
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Top tip for all the people on here saying EVs aren't being used by XXX. Look for this. Shows it's a battery vehicle. You'll be staggered just how many you see now you know.
Otherwise, how can you possibly tell?
(https://i.postimg.cc/28dQh60D/Polish-20250122-094058327.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wh3qP2RW)
Incidentally, you get higher mileage from stop/start driving in an EV than on a motorway. Why? For anyone keen to learn the article below gives a good explanation. I do (I'm not joking) one motorway mile every six weeks, so this is unbridled good news for me.
https://evcentral.com.au/why-is-the-range-of-an-ev-less-on-the-freeway-than-the-city/
Vin
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I refuse to get into an argument about EV van/cars but I also live in the same area as Vin and in all my time I have only ever seen 1 DPD EV van.
It was on a charging point at a Bitterne in a car park and here is the funny thing, when I returned to get my car a diesel DPD van turned up and between the 2 guys they unloaded the EV van and put the parcels into the diesel van so the 1st guy could complete his deliveries .
To be honest this situation really tickled me.
I for one am totally against EV van/cars and would never own unless forced to which I hope never happens
Yesterday I had an interesting talk to a guy (tech expert) who came to my house to reset the computer on my van and even he said don't touch EV's as the do not have the range or battery power to complete a days work if you do a stop start job and even worse in the winter months.
I agreed with him whole heartily.
Good job you’ve retired then eh?
I for one do less than 50 miles a day, it would only be used for business, can home charge so would be perfect for me when I’m ready to change.
I’m sure a ev will be capable of the above but then a man down the pub says they’re crap.
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Good job you’ve retired then eh?
I for one do less than 50 miles a day, it would only be used for business, can home charge so would be perfect for me when I’m ready to change.
I’m sure a ev will be capable of the above but then a man down the pub says they’re crap.
By the time you're ready to change we'll have done it (if the right vans ever come up at auction!) and, have no fear, I'll be posting how it's gone, warts and all. I really want it to be soon enough to see if my stated 210 mile range turns out to magically go under 35 miles if it's cold. If not, you'll have to wait till next winter to find out.
The only thing that keeps me awake about the switch is fitting the tank. The battery has enough space above it but not absolutely everywhere. My garage have agreed to open up on a Sunday so we can unbolt and lower the battery pack, fit the tank, then replace.
All sounds straightforward, almost certainly won't be.
Vin
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I for one am totally against EV van/cars and would never own unless forced to
Hi Jay, not looking for an argument but would like to know why you are opposed to EVs?
The polestar 2 is a cool looking motor - fast as hell and has a 330m range. What's not to like?
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Hi Jay, not looking for an argument but would like to know why you are opposed to EVs?
The polestar 2 is a cool looking motor - fast as hell and has a 330m range. What's not to like?
I'd absolutely love one but they are bottoming out at about £18k at the moment. Pal of mine had one and absolutely adored it. 400 horsepower, 0-60 4.5 seconds, 300 mile range (on his). Said he'd never driven anything better. His new employers have him in a Tesla, which he likes, but nothing like as much as the Polestar.
Vin
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I saw a DPD van today. It had 100% Electric plastered all over it. So effing what! I'm going to get 100% Diesel plastered all over my van.
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I saw a DPD van today. It had 100% Electric plastered all over it. So effing what! I'm going to get 100% Diesel plastered all over my van.
Why?
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I saw a DPD van today. It had 100% Electric plastered all over it. So effing what! I'm going to get 100% Diesel plastered all over my van.
Why?
Why to what? Why is the 100% electric van saying he's 100% electric? Does it make it somewhat superior? I think using diesel for my work makes me superior because it suits me 👍
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I saw a DPD van today. It had 100% Electric plastered all over it. So effing what! I'm going to get 100% Diesel plastered all over my van.
Why?
Why to what? Why is the 100% electric van saying he's 100% electric? Does it make it somewhat superior? I think using diesel for my work makes me superior because it suits me 👍
I understand several reasons why Amazon and DPD put 100% Electric on their vans because the people that read it know it won't chuck pollution at them or their kids as they walk round town.
And they will think better of Amazon and DPD when they make purchases.
Why are you going to put 100% Diesel on your van? How would it make you superior?
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I saw a DPD van today. It had 100% Electric plastered all over it. So effing what! I'm going to get 100% Diesel plastered all over my van.
Why?
Why to what? Why is the 100% electric van saying he's 100% electric? Does it make it somewhat superior? I think using diesel for my work makes me superior because it suits me 👍
I understand several reasons why Amazon and DPD put 100% Electric on their vans because the people that read it know it won't chuck pollution at them or their kids as they walk round town.
And they will think better of Amazon and DPD when they make purchases.
Why are you going to put 100% Diesel on your van? How would it make you superior?
I won't get stranded nor will it catch fire.
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I saw a DPD van today. It had 100% Electric plastered all over it. So effing what! I'm going to get 100% Diesel plastered all over my van.
Why?
Why to what? Why is the 100% electric van saying he's 100% electric? Does it make it somewhat superior? I think using diesel for my work makes me superior because it suits me
I understand several reasons why Amazon and DPD put 100% Electric on their vans because the people that read it know it won't chuck pollution at them or their kids as they walk round town.
And they will think better of Amazon and DPD when they make purchases.
Why are you going to put 100% Diesel on your van? How would it make you superior?
I won't get stranded nor will it catch fire.
Yeah cause diesels don't run out of fuel.
EVs are less likely to catch fire than petrol/diesel by the way.
No, electric vehicles (EVs) are less likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel vehicles.
Explanation
A 2022 study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency found that EVs had 3.8 fires per 100,000 vehicles, compared to 68 fires per 100,000 vehicles for all fuel types.
A global study by EV Fire Safe found that the rate of passenger vehicle batteries catching fire was 0.0012% for EVs, compared to 0.1% for internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles.
Data from the London Fire Brigade shows that in 2019, the Brigade dealt with 54 EV fires, compared to 1,898 fires involving petrol or diesel cars.
However, there have been incidents involving fires in electric scooters and bicycles. These vehicles have less stringent safety measures for their traction battery packs than full EVs.
Misinformation
Social media has been the source of misinformation about EVs and fire risk. For example, rumors have spread about EVs being responsible for fires at Luton Airport and the Echo Arena in Liverpool, but these rumors were later debunked.
https://insideevs.com/features/720764/ev-electric-car-fire-risk-safety-burn
https://alliedworldinsurance.com/risk-management/electric-vehicle-fires-a-cause-for-concern
https://internationalfireandsafetyjournal.com/research-highlights-lower-fire-risk-in-electric-cars-compared-to-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles
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I won't get stranded nor will it catch fire.
Fire risk already covered in the thread
PS. My favourite stats on fires come from an article about Tusker fleet management. (1) They have 30,000 EVs and "the company’s insurance records show that not a single one of the EVs on its fleet have caught fire." (2) "A study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency backs up Tusker’s findings. It concluded that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars."
Both quotes from an excellent article at https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/tusker-fleet-data-reveals-the-truth-about-ev-fires
But that article already quoted includes this about running out of energy:
"The second myth highlighted by Tusker was that EV drivers often run out of electricity, leaving them stranded.
No one is denying that an EV with a flat battery is bit more tricky to get going again than a petrol or diesel car with a dry tank, but Tusker’s data shows that the number of its customers who ran out of juice in their EV was the same as the number who ran out of fuel.
Wisdom said: “Our stats shows that most people aren't running out of electricity. It's a tiny, tiny percent and it's pretty much the same as people who run out of fuel.
“There are always going to be some careless people out there, but this is this is not a phenomenon that we're seeing in our fleet.”
Vin
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Anyway Bungle, you still haven't explained why you would put '100% Diesel' on your van.
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Sooo, as I've said, I've been waiting for the right one to turn up.
Just bought a three year old Vivaro electric. 16,000 miles, grade one condition (a single tiny dent on it about an inch long). Looks almost brand new. £9,400. Insane price. With all fees, etc, £9,900. Still an insane price.
The only not-so-wonderful part is that it's at BCA in Glasgow, so that's next Wednesday written off.
Vin
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Sooo, as I've said, I've been waiting for the right one to turn up.
Just bought a three year old Vivaro electric. 16,000 miles, grade one condition (a single tiny dent on it about an inch long). Looks almost brand new. £9,400. Insane price. With all fees, etc, £9,900. Still an insane price.
The only not-so-wonderful part is that it's at BCA in Glasgow, so that's next Wednesday written off.
Vin
I do hope the van is as described. BCA have come in for a lot of criticism with their grading and vehicle description at online auctions. Given the distance you’re travelling I would be asking them if you can arrange to have an independent vehicle inspection done prior to travelling.
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I do hope the van is as described. BCA have come in for a lot of criticism with their grading and vehicle description at online auctions. Given the distance you’re travelling I would be asking them if you can arrange to have an independent vehicle inspection done prior to travelling.
I have a friendly garage who do the buying for me - I've seen close-up pics of the (very minor) damage. This is the sixth vehicle they've bought for me and they've all been bang on the money, but there's always a first time. (Look out for the screaming post on Wednesday morning as I arrive to find a pile of rust with a number plate on top).
Vin
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I do hope the van is as described. BCA have come in for a lot of criticism with their grading and vehicle description at online auctions. Given the distance you’re travelling I would be asking them if you can arrange to have an independent vehicle inspection done prior to travelling.
I have a friendly garage who do the buying for me - I've seen close-up pics of the (very minor) damage. This is the sixth vehicle they've bought for me and they've all been bang on the money, but there's always a first time. (Look out for the screaming post on Wednesday morning as I arrive to find a pile of rust with a number plate on top).
Vin
I suppose there is always an element of risk involved, hope all goes well.
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I do hope the van is as described. BCA have come in for a lot of criticism with their grading and vehicle description at online auctions. Given the distance you’re travelling I would be asking them if you can arrange to have an independent vehicle inspection done prior to travelling.
I have a friendly garage who do the buying for me - I've seen close-up pics of the (very minor) damage. This is the sixth vehicle they've bought for me and they've all been bang on the money, but there's always a first time. (Look out for the screaming post on Wednesday morning as I arrive to find a pile of rust with a number plate on top).
Vin
Make sure you have the charger apps installed on your phone and don't leave it till the last mile to get charged. Double check you have appropriate charging cables - most fast chargers have their own cables fitted but the slower ones might need your own cable. Take a few different credit cards with you if you can. Using heated seats and steering wheel will gain you mileage vs using the heater.
Don't enjoy the torque till you get home :-)
It's a long journey to make in an electric vehicle, it will take you significantly longer than you thing when you add in charging time. Once home you will be fine.
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Make sure you have the charger apps installed on your phone and don't leave it till the last mile to get charged. Double check you have appropriate charging cables - most fast chargers have their own cables fitted but the slower ones might need your own cable. Take a few different credit cards with you if you can. Using heated seats and steering wheel will gain you mileage vs using the heater.
Don't enjoy the torque till you get home :-)
It's a long journey to make in an electric vehicle, it will take you significantly longer than you thing when you add in charging time. Once home you will be fine.
Thanks for the tip about the apps. I was told that yonks ago but had forgotten. Thanks for reminding me.
I'm of the opinion that this should be the only trip I ever need to do using public chargers so hopefully it's worth the hassle. It wouldn't be an easy drive in a diesel but this adds a layer of uncertainty.
Vin
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In life I have found that cheap doesn't mean you are getting a bargain. Reason its cheap is because not many buyers out there. As I said before the EV industry may change if Trump gets in. He is now in and making changes to the EV industry. Hope all goes well for you and you can give an update on your new EV van. We need the likes of your experience to give us ideas in the future.
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Sooo, as I've said, I've been waiting for the right one to turn up.
Just bought a three year old Vivaro electric. 16,000 miles, grade one condition (a single tiny dent on it about an inch long). Looks almost brand new. £9,400. Insane price. With all fees, etc, £9,900. Still an insane price.
The only not-so-wonderful part is that it's at BCA in Glasgow, so that's next Wednesday written off.
Vin
Keep us updated and make sure to post a review after a few weeks working with it.
I suspect the journey home will be a giant slog, cold weather and motorways aren’t gonna get you far between charges.
The main thing is how well it suits the window cleaning game. Keep us updated in due course.
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I'm focusing as hard as I possibly can on this journey being a one-off. After that, I can't see us ever again having to deal with charging.
I'll probably start a new thread next Thursday to log how it goes.
Vin
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Yea keep us all updated. I'm sure many of us are working out when's the best time to make the change.
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Yea keep us all updated. I'm sure many of us are working out when's the best time to make the change.
Internal combustion vehicles are going to be sold until 2030. Given most on here probably buy used, that means you maybe have ten years before you have to make the jump.
To some extent it depends on your motivation. It's not just (or even) about cost for me, it's also about doing a tiny bit towards handing over a planet in slightly better nick when I pop my clogs and maybe not damaging kids' brains with particulates (I'll stress that I've been relentlessly doing that without a care in the world all my driving life).
Some will do it for money, some for principles, some will be dragged kicking and screaming when there's no alternative but putting your head in the sand and pretending it's not coming isn't a solution.
Vin
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Now Vin has started a new thread entitled Going electric - I'm locking this one.
Use his new one for comments.