Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul alan on August 09, 2018, 06:59:00 pm
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I have finally made my mind up after much humming and harring,
After posting a job on indeed I have settled on someone who seems a good guy.
I plan to have him out with me for 2 days per week, as training. at £8 ph. Then in 6-8 weeks I want hime to go out in my van for 1 day a week and spend the other with me still, for this he gets a bonus of £2 per hour making it £10 ph. And finally I want him doing 2 days a week in my van without me at £12 ph. He'll be making £40 ph eventually. His wages will be £8 per hour basic and the rest performance based bonus.
I do this as I want time to work on building a stronger business and a brand so I can then set to work on franchising, it also allows me to move forward bringing in more custom than what I want to do on my own. Then my wife who normaly works with me can be a back up if needed and do more of the background work that goes on day to day.
I have just set up as limited and have paye in place. This wont cost me another van, nor am I taking the chance that I will have to let customers down if he doesnt turn in. I just simply have to work that day myself instead.
I stay just under the vat and when I franchise, I work less myself until the point comes when I no longer have to go out cleaning windows at all.Goal reached.
Can anyone foresee any problems or issues that I'm not seeing atm?
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I honestly reckon that unless you plan to go big quickly, it’s not worth the hassle of employing.
Good luck!
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I'd have him in every day. When you feel he's competent allow him to work alone. He's going to struggle to remember the round and any issues pertaining to certain jobs working two days a week. Also, he's not going to get up to speed very quickly working two days per week! Bite the bullet and get him working full time until your happy with his performance, reliability, personality ,customer interaction and all the other variables you won't have control of when he's out in your van, otherwise it will be a slow, slow learning curve.
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
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Get him to sign a confidentially clause meaning he cannot gain by stealing or giving/selling any information regarding your customers or work practises, you will often find that you train people who seem ideal only for them to use the benifit of your knowledge to set up as a rival, Now that does hurt !!!
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I have finally made my mind up after much humming and harring,
After posting a job on indeed I have settled on someone who seems a good guy.
I plan to have him out with me for 2 days per week, as training. at £8 ph. Then in 6-8 weeks I want hime to go out in my van for 1 day a week and spend the other with me still, for this he gets a bonus of £2 per hour making it £10 ph. And finally I want him doing 2 days a week in my van without me at £12 ph. He'll be making £40 ph eventually. His wages will be £8 per hour basic and the rest performance based bonus.
I do this as I want time to work on building a stronger business and a brand so I can then set to work on franchising, it also allows me to move forward bringing in more custom than what I want to do on my own. Then my wife who normaly works with me can be a back up if needed and do more of the background work that goes on day to day.
I have just set up as limited and have paye in place. This wont cost me another van, nor am I taking the chance that I will have to let customers down if he doesnt turn in. I just simply have to work that day myself instead.
I stay just under the vat and when I franchise, I work less myself until the point comes when I no longer have to go out cleaning windows at all.Goal reached.
Can anyone foresee any problems or issues that I'm not seeing atm?
If you intend to franchise why not do it now?
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itll all end in tears......and hassle and i bet he doesnt last more than a few months at best.....itll take you ages to find a decent worker unless your extremely lucky......
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ask yourself this - what sort of person are you going to get for 2 days a week ?
either a semi retired person - who won't want to go onto full time or a complete waster - any decent person will have bills, family rent to pay and need full time - this way you'll get some commitment
your best aim is to work as 2 men - getting him/her upto speed then you start going out canvassing for more work while they clean windows and as your wife can clean you have an advantage you can build up a really busy 2 man round before cutting into 2 singles and taking on the next person
Darran
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I have finally made my mind up after much humming and harring,
After posting a job on indeed I have settled on someone who seems a good guy.
I plan to have him out with me for 2 days per week, as training. at £8 ph. Then in 6-8 weeks I want hime to go out in my van for 1 day a week and spend the other with me still, for this he gets a bonus of £2 per hour making it £10 ph. And finally I want him doing 2 days a week in my van without me at £12 ph. He'll be making £40 ph eventually. His wages will be £8 per hour basic and the rest performance based bonus.
I do this as I want time to work on building a stronger business and a brand so I can then set to work on franchising, it also allows me to move forward bringing in more custom than what I want to do on my own. Then my wife who normaly works with me can be a back up if needed and do more of the background work that goes on day to day.
I have just set up as limited and have paye in place. This wont cost me another van, nor am I taking the chance that I will have to let customers down if he doesnt turn in. I just simply have to work that day myself instead.
I stay just under the vat and when I franchise, I work less myself until the point comes when I no longer have to go out cleaning windows at all.Goal reached.
Can anyone foresee any problems or issues that I'm not seeing atm?
If you intend to franchise why not do it now?
Wish I could, its been months now and cant find anyone. The work keeps building up and I dont want to have to keep doing it all, my kids are growing up quick and I'm missing out.
The business needs working on, I'm too busy working in it.
I think no-one wants to buy in because I'm just a small un heard of out fit, I even reduced the price to 5k, I dont want to go any lower than that.
Besides if someone does crop up I can still accommodate this way its just a way making things easier for me right now. I can keep growing and establishing while preparing m business for franchising.
I think my business is not ready for a franchise yet in the eyes of a potential franchisee. It needs working on, I cant do that while I'm doing all the work.
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ask yourself this - what sort of person are you going to get for 2 days a week ?
either a semi retired person - who won't want to go onto full time or a complete waster - any decent person will have bills, family rent to pay and need full time - this way you'll get some commitment
your best aim is to work as 2 men - getting him/her upto speed then you start going out canvassing for more work while they clean windows and as your wife can clean you have an advantage you can build up a really busy 2 man round before cutting into 2 singles and taking on the next person
Darran
The bloke I have found has a gardening business of his own, he has enough work for 2 days per week himself and has been working for someone else for the last few years part time. It suits him that way, and it'll suit me too.
I dont want to go the employment route, seems too much hassle. Franchise seems perfect to me, all the onus is off me. I have thought long and hard about it but if I invest all that money in equipment etc and it goes wrong it could be really stressful.
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itll all end in tears......and hassle and i bet he doesnt last more than a few months at best.....itll take you ages to find a decent worker unless your extremely lucky......
Thats only one possibility. I t doesn't always work out that way.
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
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Great minds must think alike ( or similar)
Im setting on a new guy on monday, hes going to be working 3 days a week. (24 hrs)
Im not paying him as much as you though (cant afford to i dont turnover that much)
He will be working with me for a couple of weeks as a 2 man then will start sending him out of his own in my van to see what he can do.
If he can do the figures i need solo i will get another van for him, if not ill sack him ;D
It depends on your work but i know from working 2 man previously on most of my work theres next to no profit in it. if i can do 200 a day we would do 300 a day 2 man and after employment costs its really not worth it.
But my works isnt compact, theres a lot of stop start 1 here 1 there so its only really feasible in seperate vans apart from the odd day.
Cash flow is also a consideration, it got to me a bit last time, paying someone elses wages as a priority and having to chase and scrape the barrel to pay my own!
Good luck.
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!
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it wont work out.............you cant even spell "plan"......... ;D......only joking paul....good luck for trying......i wouldnt want an employee to ruin my hard earned reputation so i choose to stay on my own..... :)
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Gomo - not being rude but £200 is not high enough you really need to be punting out £250 on your own in 7 hrs and 2 men should hit £400 - aside from the usual location arguments if you look at your day is it really productive or are you just running at a comfortable pace ? Look at where time can be saved off the glass - tea breaks long lunches smoking stops - slow reeling in maybe extra trips from van to post ticket chit chat etc...
Not sure I’d take on someone with their own biz, which when push comes to shove would be priority over work, I know some gardeners charge/earn lower rates but someone who is used to taking 100% income will soon resent only a 25% slice imo
Darran
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!
Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.
In our area £12 ph is good money.
I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!
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Gomo - not being rude but £200 is not high enough you really need to be punting out £250 on your own in 7 hrs and 2 men should hit £400 - aside from the usual location arguments if you look at your day is it really productive or are you just running at a comfortable pace ? Look at where time can be saved off the glass - tea breaks long lunches smoking stops - slow reeling in maybe extra trips from van to post ticket chit chat etc...
Not sure I’d take on someone with their own biz, which when push comes to shove would be priority over work, I know some gardeners charge/earn lower rates but someone who is used to taking 100% income will soon resent only a 25% slice imo
Darran
£200 usually takes me between 5-6 hours, depending on the day. I always work flat out so cant really work any harder
I probably could do £250 in 7 hours but it would be hard graft and not sustainable long term, and if its hard enough for me i couldnt expect an employee to do it... that would be 20-25 jobs a day and not the most compact so a fair bit of driving involved.
Pretty sure i would struggle to do £400 2 man. we were doing £300 in about 6 hours between us before but again hard graft, no messing about.
But then again i wont be paying much more than minimum wage, i simply cant afford to.
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Gomo - not being rude but £200 is not high enough you really need to be punting out £250 on your own in 7 hrs and 2 men should hit £400 - aside from the usual location arguments if you look at your day is it really productive or are you just running at a comfortable pace ? Look at where time can be saved off the glass - tea breaks long lunches smoking stops - slow reeling in maybe extra trips from van to post ticket chit chat etc...
Not sure I’d take on someone with their own biz, which when push comes to shove would be priority over work, I know some gardeners charge/earn lower rates but someone who is used to taking 100% income will soon resent only a 25% slice imo
Darran
What your saying is quite obvious, I have considered it and questioned him about it.
He only does a couple of commercial contracts and seems content with that, he has been working part time for another cleaning company(not windows) for the past 3 years but that's come to an end now. He's been working Sundays for less than what I am offering for week days.
One of the first questions I asked was "what if you get more gardening work, would it take priority?" he says it been static 2 days per week for years, he doesn't want more gardening work. Maybe he's lying?? Who can know...…….
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it wont work out.............you cant even spell "plan"......... ;D......only joking paul....good luck for trying......i wouldnt want an employee to ruin my hard earned reputation so i choose to stay on my own..... :)
Well spotted, modified. cheers
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!
Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.
In our area £12 ph is good money.
I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!
I like the "do'ers" not the "talkers". This place is full of talkers.....wish I had a pound for every "I'm going to expand my business, make loads of easy money and get off the tools" post I've read on here over the past decade or so..... I could retire!🤣🤣
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!
Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.
In our area £12 ph is good money.
I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!
some of us have been there and done it mate.....ive had around 80 lads working for me in the past(not all at the same time i might add!)most didnt last more than a few days/weeks......and the good ones all left after a while and either set up on their own or got a "proper job".......i hated it TBH.........
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!
Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.
In our area £12 ph is good money.
I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!
some of us have been there and done it mate.....ive had around 80 lads working for me in the past(not all at the same time i might add!)most didnt last more than a few days/weeks......and the good ones all left after a while and either set up on their own or got a "proper job".......i hated it TBH.........
It took you 80 lads to figure out it probably wasnt going to work!
haha :D thats funny mate ;D
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Not much ambition then - perhaps he’ll be happy just pottering around cleaning 4 or 5 houses a day 🤔
Hard graft come with the job - wfp is no where near as bad as the trad days - everyone has there own perceptions and ways of working none of them are wrong if it suits you
2 man work is an art to get the best efficiency- it takes a really good co ordinated team to make it worth while
Darran
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FROM MY EXPERIENCE
employees NEVER clean to your standard no matter how many times your show them....
they will lie,cheat and steal if they can get away with it....
theyll let you down when you most need them......
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You’ll be paying him £40 per hour ??? :o
£8 basic with £4 bonus.
He'll be making £40 ph, easy.
Sorry I misunderstood, sounds like a good deal for him.
It does, doesn't it- he'll be making "easily" £40 ph but only recieving between 8 and 12 of that for a job that must be the most simple and cheapest to set up that you could get!!🤣👍wish I was in his shoes!!
Not everyone wants to set-up, some people just want to earn some money and go home without spending a penny or thinking twice. Just look how many people are employed.
In our area £12 ph is good money.
I love all the neigh Sayers….glass is only ever half full and all that.....funny!
some of us have been there and done it mate.....ive had around 80 lads working for me in the past(not all at the same time i might add!)most didnt last more than a few days/weeks......and the good ones all left after a while and either set up on their own or got a "proper job".......i hated it TBH.........
It took you 80 lads to figure out it probably wasnt going to work!
haha :D thats funny mate ;D
over a period of 10 years that adam! ;D ;D back in my trad days!yep had 2 chaps who went round my customers telling them theyd bought the round off me!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
ive never employed since!! :D :D
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FROM MY EXPERIENCE
employees NEVER clean to your standard no matter how many times your show them....
they will lie,cheat and steal if they can get away with it....
theyll let you down when you most need them......
You mix with the wrong sort Daz 😂
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FROM MY EXPERIENCE
employees NEVER clean to your standard no matter how many times your show them....
they will lie,cheat and steal if they can get away with it....
theyll let you down when you most need them......
You mix with the wrong sort Daz 😂
ever been to salford,manchester smudger?its lovely round here! ::)roll ::)roll ;D
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No mate I value my life to much 😂
I’m a posh Hertfordshire chap who moved out to the wilds of Norfolk - we just have the locals with six fingers and toes 😳
I’m in Coventry tomorrow- that’s wild enough for me 👍
Darran
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I think your plan will work. You are correct in the view that your business is not ready for franchising. I have spoken about this before and so many people do Franchise out their business when its clearly not making enough money for even them yet; but they do it anyway because tbh they are lazy.
One business that will be ready to franchise in the next 5 years will be Lee Pryors. Once he opens up a 2nd unit and repeats what he has done with his current unit of £1Million turnover he will have demonstrated a system that truly does work and can bring in millions of pounds a year. He wont be selling his franchises for a piddly 15k a year; id imagine that he would be able to sell a Pryors franchise for £500k. That's a propper franchise with propper funding and will only attract people with propper money
Now back to your plan. Dont over think it. Just do it. As lee said its easy; just put it into action.
I am fast approaching my target of £60k and its because i decided to do it. Lee has achieved what he has by simply doing it. All the time you waste thinking about weather to do it; or talking about doing it; or even spending time on here...its wasted unless you actually put it into action.
Gomo; Lee; Odd Bods; they are all doing it; putting it into action.
Now you go and do it.
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im already there...ive fulfilled my ambitions in window cleaning terms..i just wanted full time earnings for part time hours and ive achieved that.i also wanted a new van and a decent professional hot water set up and equipment and i have that.....
the great thing about having very little ambition is you become happier and more content in your day to day life once you ve reached a certain level of income....thats what ive found anyway.....
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Good luck with your business plan, hope it works out for you. I'm with dazmond, just keep replacing poorest work with better work allowing more flexibilty as mortgage paid off, no loans and enjoy working less hours without the hassles of employing. Nobody wants to put in hard graft for peanuts. Find an employee who needs the money and have a decent incentive to work hard for a decent wage to retain them regardless of weather
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I think your plan will work. You are correct in the view that your business is not ready for franchising. I have spoken about this before and so many people do Franchise out their business when its clearly not making enough money for even them yet; but they do it anyway because tbh they are lazy.
One business that will be ready to franchise in the next 5 years will be Lee Pryors. Once he opens up a 2nd unit and repeats what he has done with his current unit of £1Million turnover he will have demonstrated a system that truly does work and can bring in millions of pounds a year. He wont be selling his franchises for a piddly 15k a year; id imagine that he would be able to sell a Pryors franchise for £500k. That's a propper franchise with propper funding and will only attract people with propper money
Now back to your plan. Dont over think it. Just do it. As lee said its easy; just put it into action.
I am fast approaching my target of £60k and its because i decided to do it. Lee has achieved what he has by simply doing it. All the time you waste thinking about weather to do it; or talking about doing it; or even spending time on here...its wasted unless you actually put it into action.
Gomo; Lee; Odd Bods; they are all doing it; putting it into action.
Now you go and do it.
Marc have you ever number crunched Lees business plan ? even with his £675.000 turnover he would be lucky to be left with 10% profit,
He makes £67.500k per man.
20% vat £13k
£35k wages and employee costs.
Van, equipment, offices, office staff, lockup and so on would easy add on another £10k per man.
That leaves around £9.5k per man.
Theres a reason why real business people such as Richard Branson, Alan Sugar and so on have never went into nationwide window cleaning.
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Theres a reason why real business people such as Richard Branson, Alan Sugar and so on have never went into nationwide window cleaning.
Is it something to do with beards?
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Ah your both wrong
Dry cleans point of expenses is a fair comment but the figures are off. Our turnover is heading towards £800k for the end of the year. not a million and not 650.
VAT is never actually 20% due to claim backs. Mine is usually 14% in terms of what we hand over.
I dont pay my cleaners £35K more like 25-30
and so on and so on.
At the end of the day I wouldnt be doing what I am doing unless it was worth it. I have no plans to franchise. Maybe one day if I have enough of things
Once we reach our target size and I stop spending everything we make we will be left with a gross profit (that means before corporation tax) of 30%
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I nearly wrote on this post when it started to point out the mountain of negative things that Paul is about to learn the hard way but thought better of it as I didnt want to p,,s on his fire.
I am giving serious thought to not opening another base just because of staff issues and the stress it causes just for me to earn more money and perhaps be less happy. I like the idea of the huge business and the money but I would have to go through 40-50 people to end up with a good 10 of keepers and Im not sure I want to do it all again.
I will say this though. It is possible but the best comments on this thread are the ones about just getting on with it. I too see lots of talk of these things here then not much action then the list of reasons why not. Instead just go for it. This is exactly the problem for me regarding the second base. Being that self motivated and driven day after day after day is very hard to sustain, even when things go your way. There comes a point where you have to think about your health.
Paul if you really want to take someone on then dont do the half measure your plan talks about. Train someone up for just a few weeks then stick them out in their own van full time, take the financial hit yourself and get out every single night on the doorsteps until you build yourself round 2 out in your own van then repeat the process. Thats exactly what I did up to the point where I had 4 vans out full time and myself in the office off the tools.
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I nearly wrote on this post when it started to point out the mountain of negative things that Paul is about to learn the hard way but thought better of it as I didnt want to p,,s on his fire.
I am giving serious thought to not opening another base just because of staff issues and the stress it causes just for me to earn more money and perhaps be less happy. I like the idea of the huge business and the money but I would have to go through 40-50 people to end up with a good 10 of keepers and Im not sure I want to do it all again.
I will say this though. It is possible but the best comments on this thread are the ones about just getting on with it. I too see lots of talk of these things here then not much action then the list of reasons why not. Instead just go for it. This is exactly the problem for me regarding the second base. Being that self motivated and driven day after day after day is very hard to sustain, even when things go your way. There comes a point where you have to think about your health.
Paul if you really want to take someone on then dont do the half measure your plan talks about. Train someone up for just a few weeks then stick them out in their own van full time, take the financial hit yourself and get out every single night on the doorsteps until you build yourself round 2 out in your own van then repeat the process. Thats exactly what I did up to the point where I had 4 vans out full time and myself in the office off the tools.
Is it possible that location might be an issue for a second base? It would be harder to personally supervise its start-up without moving there (in view of the areas you currently cover, I'm assuming somewhere either to the north of London or way out west where there might be a bit less money around)? Of course, moving there for a while might be fine as your current base is now run by staff.
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Not much ambition then - perhaps he’ll be happy just pottering around cleaning 4 or 5 houses a day 🤔
Hard graft come with the job - wfp is no where near as bad as the trad days - everyone has there own perceptions and ways of working none of them are wrong if it suits you
2 man work is an art to get the best efficiency- it takes a really good co ordinated team to make it worth while
Darran
It take a leader basically. Someone to issue instructions every time the van stops. I don’t reckon two “mates” could do it.
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I nearly wrote on this post when it started to point out the mountain of negative things that Paul is about to learn the hard way but thought better of it as I didnt want to p,,s on his fire.
I am giving serious thought to not opening another base just because of staff issues and the stress it causes just for me to earn more money and perhaps be less happy. I like the idea of the huge business and the money but I would have to go through 40-50 people to end up with a good 10 of keepers and Im not sure I want to do it all again.
I will say this though. It is possible but the best comments on this thread are the ones about just getting on with it. I too see lots of talk of these things here then not much action then the list of reasons why not. Instead just go for it. This is exactly the problem for me regarding the second base. Being that self motivated and driven day after day after day is very hard to sustain, even when things go your way. There comes a point where you have to think about your health.
Paul if you really want to take someone on then dont do the half measure your plan talks about. Train someone up for just a few weeks then stick them out in their own van full time, take the financial hit yourself and get out every single night on the doorsteps until you build yourself round 2 out in your own van then repeat the process. Thats exactly what I did up to the point where I had 4 vans out full time and myself in the office off the tools.
Yet another very honest and open post.
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Ah your both wrong
Dry cleans point of expenses is a fair comment but the figures are off. Our turnover is heading towards £800k for the end of the year. not a million and not 650.
VAT is never actually 20% due to claim backs. Mine is usually 14% in terms of what we hand over.
I dont pay my cleaners £35K more like 25-30
and so on and so on.
At the end of the day I wouldnt be doing what I am doing unless it was worth it. I have no plans to franchise. Maybe one day if I have enough of things
Once we reach our target size and I stop spending everything we make we will be left with a gross profit (that means before corporation tax) of 30%
In your recent post you said you had reached your target goal of £65k a month with 10 guys on this glass, yes this would come to
£780k if all 10 men worked 52 weeeks a year but this will be far from the case.
If you are paying your guys £30k then you need to add another £5k to cover employer NI employer pension contributions and so on which is where my £35k figure came from, I take your point about the saving on the VAT.
You probably are making a profit of more than £95k a year but I couldnt see it being a lot more, dont get me wrong its not to be laughed at but for the effort and money you have invested to get this far I'm not sure if its worth it.
Its not just window cleaning any profession where you're basically just selling manual labour doesn't leave a lot of room for profit .
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mmmm I didnt say we had reached our target. I said we had our first day with all our vans out and had our best month. Well thats splitting hairs. The truth is many of our team turnover way more than that, I had one guy over 8K last month and 2 over 7. Yes we do that week in week out year round. As I said our gross proffit is 30% when I dont choose to spend it on continued growth.
Anyway I wouldnt be doing what im doing if there wasnt at least 150k or more a year in it for me, which there is along with the fact I will be less than part time.
I am bowing out of this thread now as what I am or am not earning isnt the topic of the thread. I certainly hope it works out for Paul. I also agree with John, if your going to franchise why not just do it now. I think the most important thing with any expansion is a clear understanding of what "your" goals and reasons are for doing it.
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Ah your both wrong
Dry cleans point of expenses is a fair comment but the figures are off. Our turnover is heading towards £800k for the end of the year. not a million and not 650.
VAT is never actually 20% due to claim backs. Mine is usually 14% in terms of what we hand over.
I dont pay my cleaners £35K more like 25-30
and so on and so on.
At the end of the day I wouldnt be doing what I am doing unless it was worth it. I have no plans to franchise. Maybe one day if I have enough of things
Once we reach our target size and I stop spending everything we make we will be left with a gross profit (that means before corporation tax) of 30%
In your recent post you said you had reached your target goal of £65k a month with 10 guys on this glass, yes this would come to
£780k if all 10 men worked 52 weeeks a year but this will be far from the case.
If you are paying your guys £30k then you need to add another £5k to cover employer NI employer pension contributions and so on which is where my £35k figure came from, I take your point about the saving on the VAT.
You probably are making a profit of more than £95k a year but I couldnt see it being a lot more, dont get me wrong its not to be laughed at but for the effort and money you have invested to get this far I'm not sure if its worth it.
Its not just window cleaning any profession where you're basically just selling manual labour doesn't leave a lot of room for profit .
I reckon 30% margin is very easily achievable. One van can easily do £80k so profit on 10 vans is £260k. Your figures are miles off Dyclean.
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Well thanks for everyone's input, the good and the bad! Its all relevant and appreciated.
The main reason I dont want to employ is I dont have the funds, and I dont want to borrow on what could be a risk and very stressful. Our situation wont allow for this, me and my wife both came from messy previous break ups and started again from scratch.
And to those that tout staying alone and keeping it simple, yes I totally get it and you are right it would be easy to do. But you have to admit its a very vulnerable position to be in, my recent accident has proven it to me. For those of you who recommend staying alone, how many of you are bringing up young children? How many of you dont have savings? All of our situations are unique and we all must do the best thing for ourselves, what might be ok for you wont be for me.
I simply cant afford to expand into employing and if I could I'm not sure I would want the stress of knowing how much money would be riding on things, The way I'm going is ideal for my situation, its a way to move forward without putting anything on the line.
I feel like neither me or my business is ready to franchise, I think there is much work to be done with regards to branding and strengthening the "product" before its an attractive enough prospect to buy. I have been advertising for months and have had hardly any interest. I'm the first to admit I dont know as much as I would like about business so I seek advice and carefully select who I listen to, if you want to learn how to bark, you dont take advice from a monkey!
I would like to go and see Lee Pryor at his office as I think it would be great to see how things are done by someone who's doing it. This accident I had has set me back and will take a while to recover.
As some of you like to point out, it may not work out! But I'll never know if I dont try, besides I'd rather believe it will all work just nicely in the end. Stranger things have happened.
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I will put the kettle on Paul. I always enjoy meeting like minded people. Hows next week for you?
8 weekly you figures are very close. Actually about 240k However the unknown figure in my numbers is what will it cost each year to maintain the same size. I am expecting about 25k yearly marketing spend for this.
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I will put the kettle on Paul. I always enjoy meeting like minded people. Hows next week for you?
8 weekly you figures are very close. Actually about 240k However the unknown figure in my numbers is what will it cost each year to maintain the same size. I am expecting about 25k yearly marketing spend for this.
Well I expect to pick up 450-500 on current figures on around £15k so assuming 15% dropoff you should easily cover it.
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Wow we get half that for the same spend!
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Wow we get half that for the same spend!
I’m away at present and figures off the top of my head. I’ll look when I get back.
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Ah your both wrong
Dry cleans point of expenses is a fair comment but the figures are off. Our turnover is heading towards £800k for the end of the year. not a million and not 650.
VAT is never actually 20% due to claim backs. Mine is usually 14% in terms of what we hand over.
I dont pay my cleaners £35K more like 25-30
and so on and so on.
At the end of the day I wouldnt be doing what I am doing unless it was worth it. I have no plans to franchise. Maybe one day if I have enough of things
Once we reach our target size and I stop spending everything we make we will be left with a gross profit (that means before corporation tax) of 30%
In your recent post you said you had reached your target goal of £65k a month with 10 guys on this glass, yes this would come to
£780k if all 10 men worked 52 weeeks a year but this will be far from the case.
If you are paying your guys £30k then you need to add another £5k to cover employer NI employer pension contributions and so on which is where my £35k figure came from, I take your point about the saving on the VAT.
You probably are making a profit of more than £95k a year but I couldnt see it being a lot more, dont get me wrong its not to be laughed at but for the effort and money you have invested to get this far I'm not sure if its worth it.
Its not just window cleaning any profession where you're basically just selling manual labour doesn't leave a lot of room for profit .
I reckon 30% margin is very easily achievable. One van can easily do £80k so profit on 10 vans is £260k. Your figures are miles off Dyclean.
My figures came from Lees previous thread, if he now wants to up his ultimate goal of £65k a month then fair enough. yep an employee knocking out £80k worth of work a year does sound easy when said quickly. (roll eyes)
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Ah your both wrong
Dry cleans point of expenses is a fair comment but the figures are off. Our turnover is heading towards £800k for the end of the year. not a million and not 650.
VAT is never actually 20% due to claim backs. Mine is usually 14% in terms of what we hand over.
I dont pay my cleaners £35K more like 25-30
and so on and so on.
At the end of the day I wouldnt be doing what I am doing unless it was worth it. I have no plans to franchise. Maybe one day if I have enough of things
Once we reach our target size and I stop spending everything we make we will be left with a gross profit (that means before corporation tax) of 30%
In your recent post you said you had reached your target goal of £65k a month with 10 guys on this glass, yes this would come to
£780k if all 10 men worked 52 weeeks a year but this will be far from the case.
If you are paying your guys £30k then you need to add another £5k to cover employer NI employer pension contributions and so on which is where my £35k figure came from, I take your point about the saving on the VAT.
You probably are making a profit of more than £95k a year but I couldnt see it being a lot more, dont get me wrong its not to be laughed at but for the effort and money you have invested to get this far I'm not sure if its worth it.
Its not just window cleaning any profession where you're basically just selling manual labour doesn't leave a lot of room for profit .
I reckon 30% margin is very easily achievable. One van can easily do £80k so profit on 10 vans is £260k. Your figures are miles off Dyclean.
My figures came from Lees previous thread, if he now wants to up his ultimate goal of £65k a month then fair enough. yep an employee knocking out £80k worth of work a year does sound easy when said quickly. (roll eyes)
Sean, my three do that. More actually. It’s around 15 houses a day over 46 weeks. It includes VAT though. If the work is local they are refilled and home by 4.
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Dry clean - too many assumptions regards to wages etc.... but really what lee makes or not is not for the his thread and irrelevant to the forum try to view things with a more open mind
Paul - have you thought of talking to a business mentor to help develop your brand and biz ?
Darran
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I will put the kettle on Paul. I always enjoy meeting like minded people. Hows next week for you?
8 weekly you figures are very close. Actually about 240k However the unknown figure in my numbers is what will it cost each year to maintain the same size. I am expecting about 25k yearly marketing spend for this.
You being serious?
Mines a coffee no sugar.
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Yes I'm being serious. Why not
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Yes I'm being serious. Why not
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Absolutely, is Friday ok? Its a bit of a drive but would love to meet you and see what I saw on the video for real!
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Yes I'm being serious. Why not
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Absolutely, is Friday ok? Its a bit of a drive but would love to meet you and see what I saw on the video for real!
Yeah Friday is fine. where you coming from?
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Hi Paul.
I keep very quiet on here nowadays. Please feel free to call me next week if you fancy a chat.
I have 10+ vans (all franchised) all cleaning domestic customers and all built up with no savings or investment from anywhere.
Its VERY hard work, but with the right attitude and plan you can get there.
I could stop now and enjoy the benefits. (it has certainly been worth the stress and strain) I could stop its growth now and sit back and enjoy the income, but, I am continuing to build my business at the moment, planning to double its size in the next 5 years. This is now easier as investment money is generated via the business.
If you want that chat I'm easy to find.
David Kent
KentKleen
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Yes I'm being serious. Why not
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Absolutely, is Friday ok? Its a bit of a drive but would love to meet you and see what I saw on the video for real!
Yeah Friday is fine. where you coming from?
Abergele! north wales
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Hi Paul.
I keep very quiet on here nowadays. Please feel free to call me next week if you fancy a chat.
I have 10+ vans (all franchised) all cleaning domestic customers and all built up with no savings or investment from anywhere.
Its VERY hard work, but with the right attitude and plan you can get there.
I could stop now and enjoy the benefits. (it has certainly been worth the stress and strain) I could stop its growth now and sit back and enjoy the income, but, I am continuing to build my business at the moment, planning to double its size in the next 5 years. This is now easier as investment money is generated via the business.
If you want that chat I'm easy to find.
David Kent
KentKleen
Absolutely!
Thanks
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P.S. not trying to muscle in on Lee's offer. Snap his hand off with his offer of a coffee and a chat!
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Yes I'm being serious. Why not
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Absolutely, is Friday ok? Its a bit of a drive but would love to meet you and see what I saw on the video for real!
Yeah Friday is fine. where you coming from?
Abergele! north wales
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Yes I'm being serious. Why not
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Absolutely, is Friday ok? Its a bit of a drive but would love to meet you and see what I saw on the video for real!
Yeah Friday is fine. where you coming from?
Abergele! north wales
Just realised its a 12 hour round trip!
My wife has just reminded me that Friday is my 40th birthday. I'm still up for it though.
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Leave at 3 in the morning.
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It’ll be 4 hours then. Roads will be quiet.
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Jesus! lol
Well its up to you. Keep me posted
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Leave at 3 in the morning.
Thats what I plan to do
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Jesus! lol
Well its up to you. Keep me posted
I'll be there, it'll be a nice drive. I'll take the wife's car.
Is 9am ish ok?
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Well I wont lie to you, I never get to the office before 11am but Im sure I can manage an early start if your making that sort of effort haha.
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Well I wont lie to you, I never get to the office before 11am but Im sure I can manage an early start if your making that sort of effort haha.
Thanks , see you then!
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Dry clean - too many assumptions regards to wages etc.... but really what lee makes or not is not for the his thread and irrelevant to the forum try to view things with a more open mind
Paul - have you thought of talking to a business mentor to help develop your brand and biz ?
Darran
Personally I think he's mad to do it but Lee volunteers his personal info on here and that's why I used him as an example, the biggest mistake most make when it comes to starting a business/employing is underestimating the potential costs and overestimating the potential profit so why you think its irrelevant to discuss them on a business plan thread is beyond me.
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Hi Paul.
I keep very quiet on here nowadays. Please feel free to call me next week if you fancy a chat.
I have 10+ vans (all franchised) all cleaning domestic customers and all built up with no savings or investment from anywhere.
Its VERY hard work, but with the right attitude and plan you can get there.
I could stop now and enjoy the benefits. (it has certainly been worth the stress and strain) I could stop its growth now and sit back and enjoy the income, but, I am continuing to build my business at the moment, planning to double its size in the next 5 years. This is now easier as investment money is generated via the business.
If you want that chat I'm easy to find.
David Kent
KentKleen
Thats pretty impressive, what was the 1 thing that you found the hardest? Without seeing like i'm prying into your financial details how much work money wise do you offer the franchisee as a starting point and what do they generally end up with to where they are satisfied (just trying to get a general idea of how many customers are roughly needed for 1 franchisee). Also how long did it take you to get up to 5 franchisee's.
I want to go down the franchisee route rather then employ.
Paul
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This is a very basic overview of how I did it in the early days.
1. Cleaned all my customers as if they where my only customer. I mean totally over the top in levels of service.
2. Got so busy I was running 3 weeks late, even with my father helping me out most days.
3. Started first franchisee with around £2k of regular work.
4. I then Worked like mad again till I was full to the brim, started the second.
5. Repeated for first 5 over a 3 year period.
Now we start from scratch but pull in 40+ new customers a week so a new franchisee can be full within 2 months (then his work is refined/compacted by us over the next few months) whilst we are building his round up, he gains experience with loads of first cleans and helps out on fsg jobs etc etc.
We will fill a franchisee up with as much or as little as they want.
All our franchisees operate within 10 miles of our base. Most within our relatively small town. No areas, no borders, no arguments.
Hardest part of it is getting through all the first cleans.
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This is a very basic overview of how I did it in the early days.
1. Cleaned all my customers as if they where my only customer. I mean totally over the top in levels of service.
2. Got so busy I was running 3 weeks late, even with my father helping me out most days.
3. Started first franchisee with around £2k of regular work.
4. I then Worked like mad again till I was full to the brim, started the second.
5. Repeated for first 5 over a 3 year period.
Now we start from scratch but pull in 40+ new customers a week so a new franchisee can be full within 2 months (then his work is refined/compacted by us over the next few months) whilst we are building his round up, he gains experience with loads of first cleans and helps out on fsg jobs etc etc.
We will fill a franchisee up with as much or as little as they want.
All our franchisees operate within 10 miles of our base. Most within our relatively small town. No areas, no borders, no arguments.
Hardest part of it is getting through all the first cleans.
Thanks
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This is a very basic overview of how I did it in the early days.
1. Cleaned all my customers as if they where my only customer. I mean totally over the top in levels of service.
2. Got so busy I was running 3 weeks late, even with my father helping me out most days.
3. Started first franchisee with around £2k of regular work.
4. I then Worked like mad again till I was full to the brim, started the second.
5. Repeated for first 5 over a 3 year period.
Now we start from scratch but pull in 40+ new customers a week so a new franchisee can be full within 2 months (then his work is refined/compacted by us over the next few months) whilst we are building his round up, he gains experience with loads of first cleans and helps out on fsg jobs etc etc.
We will fill a franchisee up with as much or as little as they want.
All our franchisees operate within 10 miles of our base. Most within our relatively small town. No areas, no borders, no arguments.
Hardest part of it is getting through all the first cleans.
How do you generate your customers David?
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This is a very basic overview of how I did it in the early days.
1. Cleaned all my customers as if they where my only customer. I mean totally over the top in levels of service.
2. Got so busy I was running 3 weeks late, even with my father helping me out most days.
3. Started first franchisee with around £2k of regular work.
4. I then Worked like mad again till I was full to the brim, started the second.
5. Repeated for first 5 over a 3 year period.
Now we start from scratch but pull in 40+ new customers a week so a new franchisee can be full within 2 months (then his work is refined/compacted by us over the next few months) whilst we are building his round up, he gains experience with loads of first cleans and helps out on fsg jobs etc etc.
We will fill a franchisee up with as much or as little as they want.
All our franchisees operate within 10 miles of our base. Most within our relatively small town. No areas, no borders, no arguments.
Hardest part of it is getting through all the first cleans.
First cleans for me are hard, I did two today that took an hour each. They're only 10-15 min jobs.
I often wander if there is an easier way to do them but I have come to the conclusion that there just isn't. If you skimp on a first clean then you wont be able to do a regular maintenance clean on your next visit.
I found that by wiping the top frames with a cloth that it speeds things up considerably, but the next clean I wont have much confidence just giving them a quick clean.
Any pointers?
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I don’t think there is a way to speed 1st cleans up , apart from using a 14 inch brush and water on high flow. My first cleans take upto 40 mins or so , I actually enjoy 1st cleans as they feel like a challenge :)
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I don’t think there is a way to speed 1st cleans up , apart from using a 14 inch brush and water on high flow. My first cleans take upto 40 mins or so , I actually enjoy 1st cleans as they feel like a challenge :)
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Best bits the look on the customers face when your done.
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Good morning 8 weekly.
Having the amount of vans we now have, referrals alone bring in around 20 a week. We have a local office close to the town centre, so again walk ins are very common.
Leafleting areas repeatedly works very well for us, along with ‘we clean your neighbor’ notes.
An already ‘full’ van/franchisee will hand less compact Work back to the office as and when they get neighbours added to there round in areas they work, this helps new franchisees as they are getting a maintenance job straight away rather than a first clean.
When we need too, we use our Facebook page. We haven’t really done much with it all summer as the Work has flooded in.
Finally, we try to provide a top class, value for money service, we aim to do more than is expected for our customers, this alone can bring you as many new customers as you want, very quickly, but, is the hardest part of all.
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Not much ambition then - perhaps he’ll be happy just pottering around cleaning 4 or 5 houses a day 🤔
Hard graft come with the job - wfp is no where near as bad as the trad days - everyone has there own perceptions and ways of working none of them are wrong if it suits you
2 man work is an art to get the best efficiency- it takes a really good co ordinated team to make it worth while
Darran
How many jobs is 1 employee getting through to do £250 a day solo ?
Im going to give it a go with my new guy who is starting next week as doing the figures thats what he really needs to be doing once ive factored in his wages, pension, N.I and van running costs etc.
If i cant get him doing 250 a day i fear it may not be worth it to go any further with this employing lark...
what kind of profit margin should i be aiming for per man is 50% profit good after ALL additional costs of employing them ?
I cant work out whether its really worth it or not, its all a lot of hassle and extra costs and im not sure there is enough gain, but i will give it another try and see if i can make it work.
I feel like im peeing in the wind though, ive spent all year so far trying to employ with various success and ultimately its not worked out, ive had a great employee who left then a few other messers and. I feel like i may have found a good one this time but who is to know, i dont like the thought of quitting but at some point i feel i may just be happier not bothering and keep my sanity and maybe look into doing other things.
For such a simple business window cleaning is so frustrating!
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Not much ambition then - perhaps he’ll be happy just pottering around cleaning 4 or 5 houses a day 🤔
Hard graft come with the job - wfp is no where near as bad as the trad days - everyone has there own perceptions and ways of working none of them are wrong if it suits you
2 man work is an art to get the best efficiency- it takes a really good co ordinated team to make it worth while
Darran
How many jobs is 1 employee getting through to do £250 a day solo ?
Im going to give it a go with my new guy who is starting next week as doing the figures thats what he really needs to be doing once ive factored in his wages, pension, N.I and van running costs etc.
If i cant get him doing 250 a day i fear it may not be worth it to go any further with this employing lark...
what kind of profit margin should i be aiming for per man is 50% profit good after ALL additional costs of employing them ?
I cant work out whether its really worth it or not, its all a lot of hassle and extra costs and im not sure there is enough gain, but i will give it another try and see if i can make it work.
I feel like im peeing in the wind though, ive spent all year so far trying to employ with various success and ultimately its not worked out, ive had a great employee who left then a few other messers and. I feel like i may have found a good one this time but who is to know, i dont like the thought of quitting but at some point i feel i may just be happier not bothering and keep my sanity and maybe look into doing other things.
For such a simple business window cleaning is so frustrating!
theres no way your new guy will be doing £250 a day from the off......more like £100 on his first day....every job will be like a first clean if he s not used to window cleaning.....itll take him a few weeks at least to get up to speed.....
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Oh dazmond, please! So the first free days it’s slow, they have to learn you know but it’s only window cleaning not rocket science after 2 weeks they can easily be up to speed on the glass but the real challenge is learning the rounds that takes 3 to 4 months where they remember all the little tricks to park etc...
All I will say on employing is it’s a great safety net over a single operator and if you want to you can earn nicely out of it, like any biz, it may not be there from day one - my days are spent doing quotes and few bits here and there and lots of family time ( the equivalent would be 7 solid hours on the glass + paperwork and quotes etc... )
Would you say owning amazon would be worth the hassle ?
I read recently there profit per item is something like 1% but with the volume it’s probably the best biz in the world and that’s the point one man operator makes 60% profit a cleaning company with employee may only make 40% profit per man ( that’s 2 to start with is more than on your own ) now in the case of lee times that by 10
£250 a day ( that’s a slowish day ) we have so many different cleans it varies from an estate of small semi’s where they hit 30 cleans in a day to manor houses where they clean as little as 3 properties
Add ons are key for us with sfg cleans starting at £70 for a small front and back semi - these are done in about an hour same for Conny roof cleans .
Best money for us is now pressure washing - roof cleaning - brick cleaning etc... four figures for 8 hours
Drives, patio’s bring in double p/h than window cleaning
Darran
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Im averaging 350 a day on the windows on my own when i am out working. My worst round still pulls in over 200 a day. Some of my rounds are peaking at 450 a day and my record is 510. Of course thats not my wage. My wage is much less than that.
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lol Daz!!!!
We train new guys that have never done the job before for 7 working days one to one then put them in their own van and £250 is the first days worksheet. ::)roll
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I don't trust no one when it comes to money,work, equipment,vans etc.....
Most employees will try and steal off you at the first opportunity esp once they realise just how much money they're making you...even if u don't give them worksheets with prices on...they WILL find out after a while...they'll start getting jealous and resentful........they'll not give a toss about your equipment or standard of work either....
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hmmmm well it hasnt happend. they do see the prices, they see what they do for me every day. Nothing has ever been stolen or any of the other things you just mentioned.
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hmmmm well it hasnt happend. they do see the prices, they see what they do for me every day. Nothing has ever been stolen or any of the other things you just mentioned.
If you hired Daz’s alky mates it would have all happened. ;D
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Im averaging 350 a day on the windows on my own when i am out working. My worst round still pulls in over 200 a day. Some of my rounds are peaking at 450 a day and my record is 510. Of course thats not my wage. My wage is much less than that.
Why is your wage much less than that? I can't think of any other business which can be run so cheaply than a sole trader wfp window cleaner!
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average 350 a day without taking your normal day off through the week, that's a good turnover mark. Are you sure you haven't hit 60k yet?
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Im averaging 350 a day on the windows on my own when i am out working. My worst round still pulls in over 200 a day. Some of my rounds are peaking at 450 a day and my record is 510. Of course thats not my wage. My wage is much less than that.
Why is your wage much less than that? I can't think of any other business which can be run so cheaply than a sole trader wfp window cleaner!
LTD company.
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Im averaging 350 a day on the windows on my own when i am out working. My worst round still pulls in over 200 a day. Some of my rounds are peaking at 450 a day and my record is 510. Of course thats not my wage. My wage is much less than that.
Why is your wage much less than that? I can't think of any other business which can be run so cheaply than a sole trader wfp window cleaner!
LTD company.
If that's the case then it's just over complicated bollox!
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Im averaging 350 a day on the windows on my own when i am out working. My worst round still pulls in over 200 a day. Some of my rounds are peaking at 450 a day and my record is 510. Of course thats not my wage. My wage is much less than that.
Why is your wage much less than that? I can't think of any other business which can be run so cheaply than a sole trader wfp window cleaner!
LTD company.
If that's the case then it's just over complicated bollox!
Depends what angle your viewing it from.
You seem to be one of the "go it alone" gang, I imagine your mortgage free and no kids/kids grown up not much to lose types? A decent amount of savings and everything is "ok" in your life, content would be a sum it word?
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Im averaging 350 a day on the windows on my own when i am out working. My worst round still pulls in over 200 a day. Some of my rounds are peaking at 450 a day and my record is 510. Of course thats not my wage. My wage is much less than that.
Why is your wage much less than that? I can't think of any other business which can be run so cheaply than a sole trader wfp window cleaner!
LTD company.
If that's the case then it's just over complicated bollox!
Depends what angle your viewing it from.
You seem to be one of the "go it alone" gang, I imagine your mortgage free and no kids/kids grown up not much to lose types? A decent amount of savings and everything is "ok" in your life, content would be a sum it word?
Completely wrong mate. I am a realist-
Not a dreamer, posses common sense and focusd on how much of my turnover "I" get to keep- nothing else!
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I'm no trying to have a pop peavey.
Would you say I am not a realist then if I am trying to create something more "secure"? Is employing or the like something that shouldn't be attempted, and is bound to fail no matter what anyone says or does?
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I don't trust no one when it comes to money,work, equipment,vans etc.....
Most employees will try and steal off you at the first opportunity esp once they realise just how much money they're making you...even if u don't give them worksheets with prices on...they WILL find out after a while...they'll start getting jealous and resentful........they'll not give a toss about your equipment or standard of work either....
Well, that’s really sad Daz - considering the majority of adults are working for companies it’s a relationship where both benefit - not everyone wants the uncertainty of working for themselves - even in the repeat business world of window cleaning
Your view of people is quite sad, maybe it’s a reflection of your own attitude when working for others ?
But, like lee staff have been great, you get the odd wrinkle but that’s life same as you get with your customers
Darran
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average 350 a day without taking your normal day off through the week, that's a good turnover mark. Are you sure you haven't hit 60k yet?
Its quite possible by march 2019 i could have broken through an actual turnover of 60k as i have had alot of extra add on jobs this year since getting my credit card reader. I dont count these extra jobs on my customer list; and the 60k target is 60k worth of regular window cleaning signed up on my exisitng booked rounds. Having said that its currently sitting at 54,670 of regular booked monthly; bi monthly; and quartely cleans.
I am still strictly speaking working 3 and two thirds of a day a week; and nornally my Wednesdays that i have off down at the engineering business i havent been taking and booking in add in jobs and new cleans and also on Fridays too. So mondays and tuesdays average between 350 and 400 a day Wednesdays are whatever add in jobs i have or a day out on the bike instead thursdays are around 400 a day and Fridays are quartely cleans every week and are the most profitable with some days exeeding 450 a day.
I also only count 4 weeks a month into the regular schedual. So i only work 4 week months and any extra 5 week months is either time off for canvassing: which is very round specific at the moment; or downtime.
And yes finally my wages. Both me and the missus are on PAYE each on 15k a year and that covers our living costs with the rest of rhe money either coming to me by dividend or directors loan account if we need any extra cash for stuff.
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350 a day for 4 days is still almost 60k working a 10 month year!
Ltd is the way to go if you are thinking of expanding, it costs more on accountant fees but i think its great having the separation between wages and company money.
I know by looking at my company account thats all for wages, growth and business costs and what ever is in my personal (and wallet) is mine.
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350 a day for 4 days is still almost 60k working a 10 month year!
Yes but i won't know my actual turnover until the end of my financial year. This 1st years quarter from April to june has been about 14k actual turnover so far and now i am sitting at nearly 20k turnover and we havent even finished our month yet for the 2nd quarter figures.
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I don't trust no one when it comes to money,work, equipment,vans etc.....
Most employees will try and steal off you at the first opportunity esp once they realise just how much money they're making you...even if u don't give them worksheets with prices on...they WILL find out after a while...they'll start getting jealous and resentful........they'll not give a toss about your equipment or standard of work either....
Well, that’s really sad Daz - considering the majority of adults are working for companies it’s a relationship where both benefit - not everyone wants the uncertainty of working for themselves - even in the repeat business world of window cleaning
Your view of people is quite sad, maybe it’s a reflection of your own attitude when working for others ?
But, like lee staff have been great, you get the odd wrinkle but that’s life same as you get with your customers
Darran
Just my experience smudger that's all....nothing to to do with my attitude when I used to work for others....
I don't trust no one when it comes to money (bar a few family members and my missus)....
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lol Daz!!!!
We train new guys that have never done the job before for 7 working days one to one then put them in their own van and £250 is the first days worksheet. ::)roll
Hi Lee. Is that £250 including the VAT or is that £250 + VAT?
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including
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daz when was the last time you employed or was it just cash in hand to people that helped
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including
Cheers.