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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on January 31, 2018, 07:29:12 pm
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
That’s very good Ime spending around £60-75 a week avarage put in £105 last week 😬😬😬😬 that was driving more miles than normal though
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add £40 to that which is my normal diesel running costs (before the heater)so im putting in £140 a month at present....
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
Mmmm, £5 a day, not too bad!
How are you finding it with regards to eating your brushes and cleaning generally?
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This is why I didnt even bother with having it plumbed into the diesel tank this time they don’t cost much to run well mine hasn’t ever seemed too,today I put £15-64ps worth of Kerosene in my 20ltr container full to the brim. Last time it lasted me at least 10 days Kerosene is much cleaner and they run far better on it,1-50 a day instead of £5
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With Kerosene you can hardly smell it running at all.
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I have never ever put 100 pounds worth of diesel in my heater in a month 😂 you sure you ain’t got a leak Daz that don’t sound right m8.
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I have never ever put 100 pounds worth of diesel in my heater in a month 😂 you sure you ain’t got a leak Daz that don’t sound right m8.
Not cheap to run but I just price it into the jobs for the day
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
Thanks daz. Much appreciated.
Very affordable for hot water.
How are you finding the heater? Any pros, cons or issues you’ve found now that you’ve broke it in?
I’m Saving a few more pennies over the next month or so and then making the call to Oliver.
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This is why I didnt even bother with having it plumbed into the diesel tank this time they don’t cost much to run well mine hasn’t ever seemed too,today I put £15-64ps worth of Kerosene in my 20ltr container full to the brim. Last time it lasted me at least 10 days Kerosene is much cleaner and they run far better on it,1-50 a day instead of £5
Who do you buy Kerosene from in those amounts?
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Any local fuel place. In the country anyway. Everyone heats their house and water on kerosene.
Why aren’t you guys using a separate tank and red?
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If you buy more than 100l you have to fill in a form. I was dipped by hmrc a couple of weeks ago. Country life.
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Any local fuel place. In the country anyway. Everyone heats their house and water on kerosene.
Why aren’t you guys using a separate tank and red?
Red will damage the heater and invalidate the warranty
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I use a separate tank in the van I also clean a farm he lets me fill my tank up for about a tenner,I get mine from a local garage they’ve got 2-3 pumps for kerosene you can tell when you start using it with the heater it’s far cleaner like I say fumes are minimal compared to regular diesel.
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I have never ever put 100 pounds worth of diesel in my heater in a month 😂 you sure you ain’t got a leak Daz that don’t sound right m8.
i bet you spend A LOT more on diesel than me a week mate driving 50-60 miles a day to clean windows fellah!(mine is £35 a week including heater running costs).
ive also had my best earning january ever in 25 years of window cleaning..... :)
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
Thanks daz. Much appreciated.
Very affordable for hot water.
How are you finding the heater? Any pros, cons or issues you’ve found now that you’ve broke it in?
I’m Saving a few more pennies over the next month or so and then making the call to Oliver.
love it...so much better than a gas shower heater.nice warm supple hoses and easier cleaning.i wish id got one years ago! :)
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
Mmmm, £5 a day, not too bad!
How are you finding it with regards to eating your brushes and cleaning generally?
ive upgraded my brushes to stiff versions(ultimates and xtremes)and i now have the red 6mm pure freedom microbore which is excellent....cleaning is defo easier esp on bird muck,snail trails and grit from nearby gutters,windows dry quicker too,easier rinsing and warm supple hoses....ill never go back to cold water now... :)
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I use a separate tank in the van I also clean a farm he lets me fill my tank up for about a tenner,I get mine from a local garage they’ve got 2-3 pumps for kerosene you can tell when you start using it with the heater it’s far cleaner like I say fumes are minimal compared to regular diesel.
hardly any fumes from my diesel heater.theres a bit of white smoke on start up on a cold morning but it soon goes....
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Best month ever eh always the way when I got my first extreme pole couldn’t put it down best week-month ever I remember when I went hot the earnings went through the roof couldn’t wait to use hot water,get a new brush you like you tend to stay out working longer. Sometimes it’s worth spending money on new toys as it makes it more enjoyable.
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So Daz,using provisional figures of £100 per month fuel costs and including your initial purchase cost of £5000.
Over 10 years using that heater is going to cost you approximately.....................
£16K!
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So Daz,using provisional figures of £100 per month fuel costs and including your initial purchase cost of £5000.
Over 10 years using that heater is going to cost you approximately.....................
£16K!
If we all lived by that motto we would all
Still be on ladders and shammys because over the years it would save us money. In those 10 years Daz should have done about half a million in turnover in that time.
You could do that with anything.
That tesco meal Deal You buy instead of making your lunch at home, over 10 years that costs you 3 grand. ;D and that’s just a sandwich!
I’m About to spend 5 grand on a heater and I’m more than happy to pay £5 a day on fuel.
I know it’s going to earn me more than it costs in the long run. Hot water definitely in my experience made me faster. You can definitely squeeze in an extra job or two at the end of the day with the time savings, especially in summer with baked on bird mess, first cleans etc. Never mind the fact that in winter you can work when normally you couldn’t.
then there’s the fact it just makes work more enjoyable. More comfortable. We spent most of our lives working, so it’s good to make it as best we can.
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So Daz,using provisional figures of £100 per month fuel costs and including your initial purchase cost of £5000.
Over 10 years using that heater is going to cost you approximately.....................
£16K!
It'll probably cost nearer 17k mate as it'll need servicing and burner replacements too.although i dont know whether it needs servicing every year.
How often do u guys have your heater serviced?
Over the course of 10 years i should earn £400,000-£450,000.
The heater didn't cost 5k it was 4.6.k and that included smart b to b charger,2 batteries and all fitting including VAT.new controller and my original pump being housed inside the heater.
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So Daz,using provisional figures of £100 per month fuel costs and including your initial purchase cost of £5000.
Over 10 years using that heater is going to cost you approximately.....................
£16K!
If we all lived by that motto we would all
Still be on ladders and shammys because over the years it would save us money. In those 10 years Daz should have done about half a million in turnover in that time.
You could do that with anything.
That tesco meal Deal You buy instead of making your lunch at home, over 10 years that costs you 3 grand. ;D and that’s just a sandwich!
I’m About to spend 5 grand on a heater and I’m more than happy to pay £5 a day on fuel.
I know it’s going to earn me more than it costs in the long run. Hot water definitely in my experience made me faster. You can definitely squeeze in an extra job or two at the end of the day with the time savings, especially in summer with baked on bird mess, first cleans etc. Never mind the fact that in winter you can work when normally you couldn’t.
then there’s the fact it just makes work more enjoyable. More comfortable. We spent most of our lives working, so it’s good to make it as best we can.
I very much doubt it'll make you more money jonny than the cost of the heater and ongoing fuel costs compared to just using cold water mate....
I just prefer working with hot water with no faffing about changing gas bottles,warm supple hoses,easier scrubbing and rinsing and generally an overall more pleasant working day.
I wont be squeezing in any extra jobs just because im using hot water...... ;D
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It's true that initial outlay costs are high, that it may take years to recoup the costs. But sometimes and when you have the right circumstances, why not make life easier if you can afford it?
When I started out, I was working from the back of my car. Trad ladder work. It worked. Costs were low.
Later, I decided to go to wfp. Costs were higher, risks were lower. Life was easier once I'd got to grips with the system which I did on the cheap, building my own diy with much help from people on here. I bought an old van and now it's knackered, I need to change it.
But, now I'm on a firmer footing financial because of my work over the years.
I can afford to have hot and can afford to have a van I like rather than get by with. I don't need hot nor a more plush model of van.
But, you know what, I'm getting older and like to make things easier for myself, if I can.
So that's what I think I'll do. ;D
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this is for jonny(and anyone else thats interested)..ive worked 21 days this month and spent £100 extra in diesel (using the heater on full whack every day) so roughly its costing me £5 a day to run the heater.
Mmmm, £5 a day, not too bad!
How are you finding it with regards to eating your brushes and cleaning generally?
ive upgraded my brushes to stiff versions(ultimates and xtremes)and i now have the red 6mm pure freedom microbore which is excellent....cleaning is defo easier esp on bird muck,snail trails and grit from nearby gutters,windows dry quicker too,easier rinsing and warm supple hoses....ill never go back to cold water now... :)
Thanks for that Daz. Good to know how you're getting on mate! Sounds like it's working fine now after your initial problem.
Cheers.
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So Daz,using provisional figures of £100 per month fuel costs and including your initial purchase cost of £5000.
Over 10 years using that heater is going to cost you approximately.....................
£16K!
If we all lived by that motto we would all
Still be on ladders and shammys because over the years it would save us money. In those 10 years Daz should have done about half a million in turnover in that time.
You could do that with anything.
That tesco meal Deal You buy instead of making your lunch at home, over 10 years that costs you 3 grand. ;D and that’s just a sandwich!
I’m About to spend 5 grand on a heater and I’m more than happy to pay £5 a day on fuel.
I know it’s going to earn me more than it costs in the long run. Hot water definitely in my experience made me faster. You can definitely squeeze in an extra job or two at the end of the day with the time savings, especially in summer with baked on bird mess, first cleans etc. Never mind the fact that in winter you can work when normally you couldn’t.
then there’s the fact it just makes work more enjoyable. More comfortable. We spent most of our lives working, so it’s good to make it as best we can.
I very much doubt it'll make you more money jonny than the cost of the heater and ongoing fuel costs compared to just using cold water mate....
I just prefer working with hot water with no faffing about changing gas bottles,warm supple hoses,easier scrubbing and rinsing and generally an overall more pleasant working day.
I wont be squeezing in any extra jobs just because im using hot water...... ;D
We’ve got different circumstances mate.
I’m flat out with work at the minute, and always tying to squeeze extra jobs in where possible.
I’m using cold water now since I switched van and systems, and I can definitely tell a difference from my speed with just cold.
Just half an hour extra time at the end of the day could be £15-£20 for me easy. That’s he heater paid for in a few years tops. Plus along with the easier working day and warmer hands. Win win for me.
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I spend over 3k a year on fuel but it’s a means to an end my work is rural and all over spread between 2 county’s.
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So Daz,using provisional figures of £100 per month fuel costs and including your initial purchase cost of £5000.
Over 10 years using that heater is going to cost you approximately.....................
£16K!
You will notice a big difference in speed especially in the winter months it’s so much quicker with hot especially on first cleans or costal jobs with tones of salt some jobs we do are that bad in 4 weeks that the windows are opaque that’s not an exaggeration we clean these jobs with minimal extra time it just desolves the salt so fast with cold water it takes ages : I could never go back to cold Evan use hot in the summer just turn it down a bit or turn off the boiler at lunch time and use the hot water in the tank
If we all lived by that motto we would all
Still be on ladders and shammys because over the years it would save us money. In those 10 years Daz should have done about half a million in turnover in that time.
You could do that with anything.
That tesco meal Deal You buy instead of making your lunch at home, over 10 years that costs you 3 grand. ;D and that’s just a sandwich!
I’m About to spend 5 grand on a heater and I’m more than happy to pay £5 a day on fuel.
I know it’s going to earn me more than it costs in the long run. Hot water definitely in my experience made me faster. You can definitely squeeze in an extra job or two at the end of the day with the time savings, especially in summer with baked on bird mess, first cleans etc. Never mind the fact that in winter you can work when normally you couldn’t.
then there’s the fact it just makes work more enjoyable. More comfortable. We spent most of our lives working, so it’s good to make it as best we can.
I very much doubt it'll make you more money jonny than the cost of the heater and ongoing fuel costs compared to just using cold water mate....
I just prefer working with hot water with no faffing about changing gas bottles,warm supple hoses,easier scrubbing and rinsing and generally an overall more pleasant working day.
I wont be squeezing in any extra jobs just because im using hot water...... ;D
We’ve got different circumstances mate.
I’m flat out with work at the minute, and always tying to squeeze extra jobs in where possible.
I’m using cold water now since I switched van and systems, and I can definitely tell a difference from my speed with just cold.
Just half an hour extra time at the end of the day could be £15-£20 for me easy. That’s he heater paid for in a few years tops. Plus along with the easier working day and warmer hands. Win win for me.
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Water loving glass hydrophilic as it’s known doesn’t mind cold water but hydrophobic hates cold water especially on small panes of glass,check the latter glass after cold cleaning it’s like looking at a teenager spots everywhere.
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It's true that initial outlay costs are high, that it may take years to recoup the costs. But sometimes and when you have the right circumstances, why not make life easier if you can afford it?
When I started out, I was working from the back of my car. Trad ladder work. It worked. Costs were low.
Later, I decided to go to wfp. Costs were higher, risks were lower. Life was easier once I'd got to grips with the system which I did on the cheap, building my own diy with much help from people on here. I bought an old van and now it's knackered, I need to change it.
But, now I'm on a firmer footing financial because of my work over the years.
I can afford to have hot and can afford to have a van I like rather than get by with. I don't need hot nor a more plush model of van.
But, you know what, I'm getting older and like to make things easier for myself, if I can.
So that's what I think I'll do. ;D
exactly....
a lot of us who have been window cleaning a long time have worked out of old bangers for years and had our fair share of breakdowns(both mechanical and personal!) ;D
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also i never have to think about putting an oil filled radiator in the van on cold nights anymore.as long as my return valves are connected up the heater will take care of it and prevent the heater,pump and hose from freezing up.great stuff.... :)
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also i never have to think about putting an oil filled radiator in the van on cold nights anymore.as long as my return valves are connected up the heater will take care of it and prevent the heater,pump and hose from freezing up.great stuff.... :)
It’s gonna be another cold week next week! Think il empty my van into the house again :'(
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also i never have to think about putting an oil filled radiator in the van on cold nights anymore.as long as my return valves are connected up the heater will take care of it and prevent the heater,pump and hose from freezing up.great stuff.... :)
It’s gonna be another cold week next week! Think il empty my van into the house again :'(
been there and done that mate.....humping trolleys and barrels into the house,pumpboxes,leisure batteries etc....... ;D
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also i never have to think about putting an oil filled radiator in the van on cold nights anymore.as long as my return valves are connected up the heater will take care of it and prevent the heater,pump and hose from freezing up.great stuff.... :)
It’s gonna be another cold week next week! Think il empty my van into the house again :'(
been there and done that mate.....humping trolleys and barrels into the house,pumpboxes,leisure batteries etc....... ;D
That’s the plan! ;D roll on spring time
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its forecast to be sub zero overnight for most of the next week here in the north west....
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So to summarize;
Diesil heater. Immersion heater
£5,000. (]Setup cost) less than £100
A day of work. Couple of hrs in
evening
£100. (running cost) about £40
Per month. Per month.
Hot water. (benefits) Hot water.
Frost protection. Frost protection
The potential earning cost is irrelevant as if both methods earn the same wage, which one gives the biggest net profit.
Erm, im sticking to the immersion heater
;D ;D
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So to summarize;
Diesil heater. Immersion heater
£5,000. (]Setup cost) less than £100
A day of work. Couple of hrs in
evening
£100. (running cost) about £40
Per month. Per month.
Hot water. (benefits) Hot water.
Frost protection. Frost protection
The potential earning cost is irrelevant as if both methods earn the same wage, which one gives the biggest net profit.
Erm, im sticking to the immersion heater
;D ;D
An immersion heater turned on for a couple of hours in an evening isn’t going to give you hot water to work with it will prevent freezing and that’s it
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So to summarize;
Diesil heater. Immersion heater
£5,000. (]Setup cost) less than £100
A day of work. Couple of hrs in
evening
£100. (running cost) about £40
Per month. Per month.
Hot water. (benefits) Hot water.
Frost protection. Frost protection
The potential earning cost is irrelevant as if both methods earn the same wage, which one gives the biggest net profit.
Erm, im sticking to the immersion heater
;D ;D
An immersion heater turned on for a couple of hours in an evening isn’t going to give you hot water to work with it will prevent freezing and that’s it
Depends what heater you have and how long you have it on. Plus what tarrif your on. Before midnight it costs me 15pence per kwh. And only 7pence from midnight till 7 am. Not exactly a fiver a night nor an extra 100 per month and i work with 60 degrees plus.
But even at 50 degrees i wouldnt want to put my hand in it.
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The imersion will keep everything frost free and if you want hotter water to work with during the day just turn it on in the morning before you leave for work ;D
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So to summarize;
Diesil heater. Immersion heater
£5,000. (]Setup cost) less than £100
A day of work. Couple of hrs in
evening
£100. (running cost) about £40
Per month. Per month.
Hot water. (benefits) Hot water.
Frost protection. Frost protection
The potential earning cost is irrelevant as if both methods earn the same wage, which one gives the biggest net profit.
Erm, im sticking to the immersion heater
;D ;D
An immersion heater turned on for a couple of hours in an evening isn’t going to give you hot water to work with it will prevent freezing and that’s it
Depends what heater you have and how long you have it on. Plus what tarrif your on. Before midnight it costs me 15pence per kwh. And only 7pence from midnight till 7 am. Not exactly a fiver a night nor an extra 100 per month and i work with 60 degrees plus.
But even at 50 degrees i wouldnt want to put my hand in it.
Nathan..........I love your posts but please let’s be reasonable. People Read these posts and will
Be disappointed when they try it themselves.
Any normal operator won’t get 60 degrees from an immersion heater.
I’ve worked with a 2kw immersion for years, and at most I would get 40 degrees tops, that was if I had a quiet few days and didn’t use much water, meaning that the immersion was heating water already at 20 or 30 plus degrees.
Fill Your tank up with cold water, and stick your immersion on for one night. That will give you the real world scenario.
Most full Time workers nearly empty there tank on a daily basis, and if this is the case, you will never achieve 60 degrees, unless your running a 3kw Heeater, and costing yourself a fortune in electric, plus running your household electrics at maximum.
In general, all immersion users use them for frost protection, and warm water.
Diesel heaters on the other hand are for those who want “hot” systems.
If I could have 60 degree water all
Day everyday with an immersion, then I and many others would already be using that.
Both have pros and cons, I’ve used both, and I’m going for a diesel system soon.
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After a wknd of not working I fill my tank with 500 ltrs of cold water from my Ibc tank which is not insulated. So when I do this i will turn the heater on for a longer period of time. This will get me between 45 and just over 50 degrees.
You guys who buy the immersion heaters, do know theres a thermostat inside which you can adjust. I have mine in the highest setting. Just a thought because im not doing anything special and surely cant be the only person getting hot water.
Immersion heaters used to give you hot water for baths in the past and you cant tell me you all had luke warm water for baths did you. (yes its a smaller tank, but the point being they give hot water).
Some from what ive gathered have for some strange reason fitted their heaters half way down their tanks because of short arms (their reasons not mine) and others have bought a 14inch length to fit in a large volume of water and so yes, ones who have done this will have little chance.
I also made sure i bought a bigger tank than needed for several reasons. This gives me an advantage I agree. Also combined that my element is 27 inches long ( ;D :o) and is as far down in the tank as possible also helps. Finally sorting your tarrif out plays a difference in price and thats why i dont mind running mine for perhaps longer than some others.
All im reporting is what ive found to work for me.
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After a wknd of not working I fill my tank with 500 ltrs of cold water from my Ibc tank which is not insulated. So when I do this i will turn the heater on for a longer period of time. This will get me between 45 and just over 50 degrees.
You guys who buy the immersion heaters, do know theres a thermostat inside which you can adjust. I have mine in the highest setting. Just a thought because im not doing anything special and surely cant be the only person getting hot water.
Immersion heaters used to give you hot water for baths in the past and you cant tell me you all had luke warm water for baths did you. (yes its a smaller tank, but the point being they give hot water).
Some from what ive gathered have for some strange reason fitted their heaters half way down their tanks because of short arms (their reasons not mine) and others have bought a 14inch length to fit in a large volume of water and so yes, ones who have done this will have little chance.
I also made sure i bought a bigger tank than needed for several reasons. This gives me an advantage I agree. Also combined that my element is 27 inches long ( ;D :o) and is as far down in the tank as possible also helps. Finally sorting your tarrif out plays a difference in price and thats why i dont mind running mine for perhaps longer than some others.
All im reporting is what ive found to work for me.
Stop bragging about your length. ;D
Your the only one to achieve those kind of temperatures Nathan. Honestly.
Go on any website that gives you the volume/heat calculator, and you’ll see what people will
Achieve.
Even if you had a 3 kw heater, to heat 500 litres of water from 5 degrees, to 60, you’d need to have it on full pelt for nearly 11 hours.
That would then cost you close to £7 per night in electric. The figures don’t lie mate, and that’s what myself, and all he other immersion users I know have found.........Except from Yourself.
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Genetics ;D ;D
But as an example of yours.
11Hrs with a 3kw heater.
7 hrs @7p per kwh (7×21pence) would cost £1.47
4 hrs peak @ 15p per kwh
(4hrs time 45p) would only be £1.80.
So it would only cost £3.27 per night of doing so on my tarrif. Which is still less than a fiver and thats using your example. Then using another persons example, its a new year so put all your prices up by a quid and your laughing. So its still a win win surely
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So to summarize;
Diesil heater. Immersion heater
£5,000. (]Setup cost) less than £100
A day of work. Couple of hrs in
evening
£100. (running cost) about £40
Per month. Per month.
Hot water. (benefits) Hot water.
Frost protection. Frost protection
The potential earning cost is irrelevant as if both methods earn the same wage, which one gives the biggest net profit.
Erm, im sticking to the immersion heater
;D ;D
An immersion heater turned on for a couple of hours in an evening isn’t going to give you hot water to work with it will prevent freezing and that’s it
Depends what heater you have and how long you have it on. Plus what tarrif your on. Before midnight it costs me 15pence per kwh. And only 7pence from midnight till 7 am. Not exactly a fiver a night nor an extra 100 per month and i work with 60 degrees plus.
But even at 50 degrees i wouldnt want to put my hand in it.
In your post you have clearly put 2 hours per evening , yes if you put it on all night it will get hotter but I think you would struggle to heat a tank full of 500 ltr to those sort of temperatures over night Evan with an insulated tank : but anything is better than cold Evan warm water makes a difference and a far easier working day : as for cost dont Evan think about it it’s all ready priced into the weeks work
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Genetics ;D ;D
But as an example of yours.
11Hrs with a 3kw heater.
7 hrs @7p per kwh (7×21pence) would cost £1.47
4 hrs peak @ 15p per
unless Ime reading this wrongly it is 7p per kw you are using a 3 kw element so it’s surely 3x7 p any way so I think you are deluding yourself with the costs , hope I am reading this right ?
It is a scientific fact that it’s impossible to achieve the figures you come up with this has been proved by other s many times before
(4hrs time 45p) would only be £1.80.
So it would only cost £3.27 per night of doing so on my tarrif. Which is still less than a fiver and thats using your example. Then using another persons example, its a new year so put all your prices up by a quid and your laughing. So its still a win win surely
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my gas heater cost £2 a day cant grumble at that
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Genetics ;D ;D
But as an example of yours.
11Hrs with a 3kw heater.
7 hrs @7p per kwh (7×21pence) would cost £1.47
4 hrs peak @ 15p per kwh
(4hrs time 45p) would only be £1.80.
So it would only cost £3.27 per night of doing so on my tarrif. Which is still less than a fiver and thats using your example. Then using another persons example, its a new year so put all your prices up by a quid and your laughing. So its still a win win surely
Fair play if your getting those tariffs! That makes it much more cost efficient.
The heating figures still stand though, and I wouldn’t want 3kw of power running from my house from the minute my van is in the drive, to the minute I drive away in the morning. 😬