Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Soupy on January 03, 2018, 05:03:39 pm
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So they're back/still on the go then?
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Yes looks like it and never bothered to answer our questions last time.
They don't want to do the work. And want others to pay their bills. They had a huge investment given to them by Virgin. Now they use crowd funding after closing down for a year.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=202605.0
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When we went vat they ceased using us.
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I've popped my postcode into their site but apparently no windies in my area. ;D ;D
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When we went vat they ceased using us.
So, just small sole traders they're interested in using then?
Were their prices ok?
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Pretty average.
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Don’t understand why anyone would do this get your own customers is the best way no middle men needed
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Hopefully they will give up.
Thier website is somewhat lacking, and a nice picture of them sitting down thinking ....yeah we are young trendy types...with our moderen furniture...oh dear our credit cards are at the limit..i know lets do this...and make money for sitting about in our slightly above average furniture.
Hope they see the replies on here i can tell you they havent got a clue have they?
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I get so tired of idiots who know nothing about window cleaning but think they see an easy way to cash-in on what we are doing for nothing.
It's a shame they removed that cringeworthy YouTube video with the bloke from Osha grinning maniacally about how much money he was going to make and how his accountant was all excited.
They are trying to solve a problem for the benefit of householders and window cleaners. LOL!
The only problem they want to solve relates to their own bank balance. The fact is, window cleaners do not need this service.
"you’ll be your own boss and get paid for cleaning windows when you want to clean windows."
er, guess what, I already am and I already do. I don't need you to continue to that.
"You’ll get paid weekly for the jobs that you do, direct to your bank account. That means you won’t have to go back round chasing cash payments."
Newsflash! NOBODY chases cash payments, and hasn't done for over a decade. Customers already pay us 'direct to our bank account' no problem, and it doesn't need you for that to happen. Many window cleaners even use direct debit, so they don't even need to wait for the customer to pay them.
"Because of our national advertising budget you’ll get more interest from more customers in your area. You’ll save time building your round and promoting your business. And you’ll save time by taking online payments instead of collecting cash."
National advertising budget? LOL! You had to get a loan from Virgin of between £5k - £10k just to keep going. Now you're trying to raise money crowdfunding. My guess is that you're realising just how expensive national advertising is. I'd be really interested to know how much this national advertising budget is. If you plan to make an impact nationally, then I hope it's in the £millions, otherwise don't make me laugh.
Plus, you're assuming that we're all lacking interest "from customers in our area". Basic question; why do you think you found it hard to get a window cleaner in the first place (the reason you started this ridiculous idea)? Here's the answer: there are loads of customers and not that many window cleaners. The result of that simple fact is that customers find it hard to get a good window cleaner, and no middle-man is ever going to change that. This also means that no window cleaner is every going to need a middle-man to get customers.
I hope this pointless service, that was created for the sole reason of providing an income for Louise and Mark Stevenson, soon goes the way of other pointless services and dissappears into oblivion.
My advice to Osha if they're reading this is (and is meant with your best interests at heart) give up on this idea, and stop borrowing money/ trying to raise funds for what is (and always will be) a flawed idea. Window cleaners do not need this service, no matter how you try to present it. If you continue to borrow to try to get this idea of the ground, then bankruptcy awaits you in the near future.
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I get so tired of idiots who know nothing about window cleaning but think they see an easy way to cash-in on what we are doing for nothing.
It's a shame they removed that cringeworthy YouTube video with the bloke from Osha grinning maniacally about how much money he was going to make and how his accountant was all excited.
They are trying to solve a problem for the benefit of householders and window cleaners. LOL!
The only problem they want to solve relates to their own bank balance. The fact is, window cleaners do not need this service.
"you’ll be your own boss and get paid for cleaning windows when you want to clean windows."
er, guess what, I already am and I already do. I don't need you to continue to that.
"You’ll get paid weekly for the jobs that you do, direct to your bank account. That means you won’t have to go back round chasing cash payments."
Newsflash! NOBODY chases cash payments, and hasn't done for over a decade. Customers already pay us 'direct to our bank account' no problem, and it doesn't need you for that to happen. Many window cleaners even use direct debit, so they don't even need to wait for the customer to pay them.
"Because of our national advertising budget you’ll get more interest from more customers in your area. You’ll save time building your round and promoting your business. And you’ll save time by taking online payments instead of collecting cash."
National advertising budget? LOL! You had to get a loan from Virgin of between £5k - £10k just to keep going. Now you're trying to raise money crowdfunding. My guess is that you're realising just how expensive national advertising is. I'd be really interested to know how much this national advertising budget is. If you plan to make an impact nationally, then I hope it's in the £millions, otherwise don't make me laugh.
Plus, you're assuming that we're all lacking interest "from customers in our area". Basic question; why do you think you found it hard to get a window cleaner in the first place (the reason you started this ridiculous idea)? Here's the answer: there are loads of customers and not that many window cleaners. The result of that simple fact is that customers find it hard to get a good window cleaner, and no middle-man is ever going to change that. This also means that no window cleaner is every going to need a middle-man to get customers.
I hope this pointless service, that was created for the sole reason of providing an income for Louise and Mark Stevenson, soon goes the way of other pointless services and dissappears into oblivion.
My advice to Osha if they're reading this is (and is meant with your best interests at heart) give up on this idea, and stop borrowing money/ trying to raise funds for what is (and always will be) a flawed idea. Window cleaners do not need this service, no matter how you try to present it. If you continue to borrow to try to get this idea of the ground, then bankruptcy awaits you in the near future.
Good post Pete. Personally I'd like to see them bankrupt. Bloody idiots.
Tony
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100 % concour.
Osha Clean. Go back to estate agency work...oh hang on they are all going out of business now aswell due to purple bricks and the like.
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Makes you laugh.... They said they could not find a window cleaner so that's why they set up. So they are experts at not finding a wc for themselves yet claim they can easily find one for others!
May have worked 20 years ago but with the internet, fb, saturated industry it's easy for customers to find one.
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If ever there was an industry that didn't require a middle-man it's this one!! ;D
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I think we should count ourselves lucky that there is someone out there with the marketing nouse, willing to organise us fick, clueless shiners with their national advertising budget, card reader and (get this) bank account!
However did we manage before?
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I get so tired of idiots who know nothing about window cleaning but think they see an easy way to cash-in on what we are doing for nothing.
It's a shame they removed that cringeworthy YouTube video with the bloke from Osha grinning maniacally about how much money he was going to make and how his accountant was all excited.
They are trying to solve a problem for the benefit of householders and window cleaners. LOL!
The only problem they want to solve relates to their own bank balance. The fact is, window cleaners do not need this service.
"you’ll be your own boss and get paid for cleaning windows when you want to clean windows."
er, guess what, I already am and I already do. I don't need you to continue to that.
"You’ll get paid weekly for the jobs that you do, direct to your bank account. That means you won’t have to go back round chasing cash payments."
Newsflash! NOBODY chases cash payments, and hasn't done for over a decade. Customers already pay us 'direct to our bank account' no problem, and it doesn't need you for that to happen. Many window cleaners even use direct debit, so they don't even need to wait for the customer to pay them.
"Because of our national advertising budget you’ll get more interest from more customers in your area. You’ll save time building your round and promoting your business. And you’ll save time by taking online payments instead of collecting cash."
National advertising budget? LOL! You had to get a loan from Virgin of between £5k - £10k just to keep going. Now you're trying to raise money crowdfunding. My guess is that you're realising just how expensive national advertising is. I'd be really interested to know how much this national advertising budget is. If you plan to make an impact nationally, then I hope it's in the £millions, otherwise don't make me laugh.
Plus, you're assuming that we're all lacking interest "from customers in our area". Basic question; why do you think you found it hard to get a window cleaner in the first place (the reason you started this ridiculous idea)? Here's the answer: there are loads of customers and not that many window cleaners. The result of that simple fact is that customers find it hard to get a good window cleaner, and no middle-man is ever going to change that. This also means that no window cleaner is every going to need a middle-man to get customers.
I hope this pointless service, that was created for the sole reason of providing an income for Louise and Mark Stevenson, soon goes the way of other pointless services and dissappears into oblivion.
My advice to Osha if they're reading this is (and is meant with your best interests at heart) give up on this idea, and stop borrowing money/ trying to raise funds for what is (and always will be) a flawed idea. Window cleaners do not need this service, no matter how you try to present it. If you continue to borrow to try to get this idea of the ground, then bankruptcy awaits you in the near future.
Exelent summary I couldn’t agree more very well written and put in a friendly manner
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Just to put a different spin on this .....
- They're persistent
- They've added the option of regular cleans (which they didn't have before). So they must be listening ...
- They seem to have some window cleaners on board - so to a certain extent this must be working for them
- They're paying for advertising on this forum so it keeps the forum going
I just put in some details for a 3 bed semi in Cardiff one-off clean & it comes up as £24.34. Not particularly good but not particularly bad either.
If I were starting out & I didn't like canvassing (actually I really enjoy canvassing) or if I was looking to take on some employees/franchisees I might just give them a go. Since I'm a sole trader & I have a full round they are absolutely no threat to me & I won't be using them.
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I just put in some details for a 3 bed semi in Cardiff one-off clean & it comes up as £24.34. Not particularly good but not particularly bad either.
If I were starting out & I didn't like canvassing (actually I really enjoy canvassing) or if I was looking to take on some employees/franchisees I might just give them a go. Since I'm a sole trader & I have a full round they are absolutely no threat to me & I won't be using them.
What's their cut?
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£24.34?
John
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£24.34 for a 1off seems incredibly low to me. Our 1offs start at around £25 and that's if we're in the street anyway and ahead of schedule.
£24.34 - their (as yet undetermined) cut, + working to a third parties schedule = no thank you. I'm out.
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So if a job becomes a regular, do they take a cut for each subsequent clean, or is it just the first clean?
And what percentage do they take? Just curious (I would never, ever use a third party to procure work).
John
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Just ignore them. I get sent emails by plenty of them with different names. Thank goodness my email account allows me to block everyone of them
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Out of curiosity I asked for a quote. Obviously, we all know what a quote is. They obviously don't.
I live 15 floors up.
After entering my postcode twice and my email address I got this 'quote' and I quote:
'We’re coming to your area soon, but we’re not quite there yet.
Leave us your email address and postcode and we’ll contact you when we’re cleaning windows in your area.
We promise not to share your details with anyone else, and we’ll only contact you once we’re cleaning windows in your postcode, we promise no spam!
Thank you! We'll be in touch by email as soon as we have window cleaners in your area.
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I think the cut is about 10%. Og should know since he's used them ....
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I think the cut is about 10%. Og should know since he's used them ....
Did someone say they are not vat registered?
If they are taking 10% of turnover their yearly net profit would only be 8k if they are performing at max vat threshold. Take off all them advertising costs can't see them earning a wage at all.
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I think the cut is about 10%. Og should know since he's used them ....
Did someone say they are not vat registered?
If they are taking 10% of turnover their yearly net profit would only be 8k if they are performing at max vat threshold. Take off all them advertising costs can't see them earning a wage at all.
Not only that.... The potential issue I see for Osha is that the customer and window cleaner will strike up a deal thus removing the "middle-man" altogether.
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I think the cut is about 10%. Og should know since he's used them ....
Did someone say they are not vat registered?
If they are taking 10% of turnover their yearly net profit would only be 8k if they are performing at max vat threshold. Take off all them advertising costs can't see them earning a wage at all.
Not only that.... The potential issue I see for Osha is that the customer and window cleaner will strike up a deal thus removing the "middle-man" altogether.
Their balance sheets make a up a good read on companies house.
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Exactly
not looking particularly successful is it.
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It was hardly going to be a success story right from the start.
It's yet again a classic case of middle class type twatts thinking the money will come rolling in without having to actually work for it.
They had their business model and all that other stuff they dream up. It looks wonderfull on paper. Reality though for these people doesn't come into it until the bottom line hits.
I worked from 8.30am this morning untill about 4.30pm then from about 7.30pm to about 10pm. Hard graft. I had a very very good day earnings wise. Maybe Osha should try that first rather that sitting on their backsides looking at computer screens.
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Hey i suppose we can thank them for one thing.
Supplying revenue for our forum by advertising on here.
;D
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That's the "national advertising" then! :)
Based on below it doesn't look that bad...
£12 - 10% £10.80
£12 - paypal £11.32
£12 - gocardless £11.88
So it's £1.08 per clean more than gc and over the year it's £14.04
Buying a £12 customer on a round is between 3 and 5 times the monthly clean which is costing you £36 to £60
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Wibble- as agents their turnover is the commission not the total cost of the clean as the windy is self employed ( same as a franchise model )
It amazes me that they can get people like virgin to throw money at something like this, when I started out 9 years ago the bank wouldn’t even give me a buisness account as I was “only” cleaning windows and certainly wouldn’t help purchase tools, van etc... not even a £50 overdraft
Just shows the class system is stil in action
Darran
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Wibble- as agents their turnover is the commission not the total cost of the clean as the windy is self employed ( same as a franchise model )
It amazes me that they can get people like virgin to throw money at something like this, when I started out 9 years ago the bank wouldn’t even give me a buisness account as I was “only” cleaning windows and certainly wouldn’t help purchase tools, van etc... not even a £50 overdraft
Just shows the class system is stil in action
Darran
Don’t know about that, but I do know that £10k is totally inadequate as a marketing budget for that kind of business AND that their model won’t engender any customer loyalty so they will endlessly be spending on adwords.
That said, I don’t understand the hostility towards them. A new startup in town would be far more of a threat.
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Wibble- as agents their turnover is the commission not the total cost of the clean as the windy is self employed ( same as a franchise model )
It amazes me that they can get people like virgin to throw money at something like this, when I started out 9 years ago the bank wouldn’t even give me a buisness account as I was “only” cleaning windows and certainly wouldn’t help purchase tools, van etc... not even a £50 overdraft
Just shows the class system is stil in action
Darran
Don’t know about that, but I do know that £10k is totally inadequate as a marketing budget for that kind of business AND that their model won’t engender any customer loyalty so they will endlessly be spending on adwords.
That said, I don’t understand the hostility towards them. A new startup in town would be far more of a threat.
I don't think anyone sees them as a threat, they're not doing any of the work so how could they be?
There may be many reasons someone can't find a window cleaner, it's not because we can't do marketing and need a middle man to help organise the industry though.
It's not threatening. It's patronising.
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Wibble- as agents their turnover is the commission not the total cost of the clean as the windy is self employed ( same as a franchise model )
It amazes me that they can get people like virgin to throw money at something like this, when I started out 9 years ago the bank wouldn’t even give me a buisness account as I was “only” cleaning windows and certainly wouldn’t help purchase tools, van etc... not even a £50 overdraft
Just shows the class system is stil in action
Darran
Don’t know about that, but I do know that £10k is totally inadequate as a marketing budget for that kind of business AND that their model won’t engender any customer loyalty so they will endlessly be spending on adwords.
That said, I don’t understand the hostility towards them. A new startup in town would be far more of a threat.
I don't think anyone sees them as a threat, they're not doing any of the work so how could they be?
There may be many reasons someone can't find a window cleaner, it's not because we can't do marketing and need a middle man to help organise the industry though.
It's not threatening. It's patronising.
It’s just marketing surely. And as much as Window cleaners may think they are swamped with competition, traditionally it’s nit been easy to find a window cleaner as they didn’t really advertise. There was this belief that you had to catch one on the street.
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It’s just marketing surely. And as much as Window cleaners may think they are swamped with competition, traditionally it’s nit been easy to find a window cleaner as they didn’t really advertise. There was this belief that you had to catch one on the street.
How long ago was that though? I'm sure you are a member of your 'local shiz' Facebook page. How often do you see 'looking for a reliable window cleaner' posts? I'll bet that almost immediately those posts have a reply.
If you Google 'window cleaner' you'll get at least 10 in your area. Their 'national advertising budget' will put them at the top but all they'll do is get one of the 10 below to do the work and take a cut.
They are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. In order to find them you need to Google 'window cleaner', if you just Googled 'window cleaner' you've already found 10 without their help.
As for taking payments, because we're too stupid to know how a bank account works? There can't be that many cash only, dole monkeys left. If there are; they won't be using osha clean anyway.
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It’s just marketing surely. And as much as Window cleaners may think they are swamped with competition, traditionally it’s nit been easy to find a window cleaner as they didn’t really advertise. There was this belief that you had to catch one on the street.
How long ago was that though? I'm sure you are a member of your 'local shiz' Facebook page. How often do you see 'looking for a reliable window cleaner' posts? I'll bet that almost immediately those posts have a reply.
If you Google 'window cleaner' you'll get at least 10 in your area. Their 'national advertising budget' will put them at the top but all they'll do is get one of the 10 below to do the work and take a cut.
They are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. In order to find them you need to Google 'window cleaner', if you just Googled 'window cleaner' you've already found 10 without their help.
As for taking payments, because we're too stupid to know how a bank account works? There can't be that many cash only, dole monkeys left. If there are; they won't be using osha clean anyway.
I wouldn't argue with any of that. I'm just not wound up by it.
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I think its a complete insult.
These two who set up Osha have demonstrated their complete lack of knowledge and understanding in a market they have no connection with.
They have illusions of grandeur and superiority because they were 'professionals in marketing and consultancy' and they clearly feel that those who choose to window clean (which can actually be more profitable, and have a better work life balance) are knuckle dragging idiots who cant open a bank account, doesn't understand how to advertise, and lives on the dole.
What they fail to realise is that many of us were 'professionals' i myself have a college education in mathematics and IT, and have a background in engineering; many window cleaners even have degrees and have given up so called premium careers.
Many of us choose window cleaning because
1..we can make more money than we did in their so called profesional jobs
2. They dont have to mix with idiots like the ones who started up Osha who clearly think they are superior in the workplace
3. They have a better work life balance.
If they had actually gone into window cleaning, or at least had the balls to research their idea 1st by asking us our opinions on weather thier service could work, and engage with their ideas on this forum then they would get much more respect.
Instead i bet you they havent even checked this forum and have been out playing golf. If i met them i would give them a full account of what i thought about thier idea and how they have completely missed an opportunity in Osha by alienating themselves due to thier lack of foresight and understanding of the market proposition they face.
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I think its a complete insult.
These two who set up Osha have demonstrated their complete lack of knowledge and understanding in a market they have no connection with.
They have illusions of grandeur and superiority because they were 'professionals in marketing and consultancy' and they clearly feel that those who choose to window clean (which can actually be more profitable, and have a better work life balance) are knuckle dragging idiots who cant open a bank account, doesn't understand how to advertise, and lives on the dole.
What they fail to realise is that many of us were 'professionals' i myself have a college education in mathematics and IT, and have a background in engineering; many window cleaners even have degrees and have given up so called premium careers.
Many of us choose window cleaning because
1..we can make more money than we did in their so called profesional jobs
2. They dont have to mix with idiots like the ones who started up Osha who clearly think they are superior in the workplace
3. They have a better work life balance.
If they had actually gone into window cleaning, or at least had the balls to research their idea 1st by asking us our opinions on weather thier service could work, and engage with their ideas on this forum then they would get much more respect.
Instead i bet you they havent even checked this forum and have been out playing golf. If i met them i would give them a full account of what i thought about thier idea and how they have completely missed an opportunity in Osha by alienating themselves due to thier lack of foresight and understanding of the market proposition they face.
You should copy that to the idiots that have bailed them out. Good post
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This is most likely to be a side line for them, maybe some spare change has been thrown at it and if it doesn't work out to their liking they could sell what they have built (if anything) and turn their attention to other businesses. It could work for them whether you like it or not and I certainly can't see why anyone should be insulted by it.
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This is most likely to be a side line for them, maybe some spare change has been thrown at it and if it doesn't work out to their liking they could sell what they have built (if anything) and turn their attention to other businesses. It could work for them whether you like it or not and I certainly can't see why anyone should be insulted by it.
A sideline with a 'national advertising budget'?
They come across as the type of customer 99% of window cleaners wouldn't want as a customer..
Cheap? No thanks.
Have to clean at a certain day and time? No thanks.
They are only going to attract that type of customer, the ones the majority of us dumped ages ago.
I certainly wouldn't be able to build a profitable business under those terms so not quite sure how they would.
They would be better off using that 'national marketing budget' to employ some window cleaners and grow a local business.
The 3 reasons for using them are pathetic, smack of desperation and show they do not know the industry at all.
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Could be the next Uber!
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Not likely to be another Uber, they have zillions backing them up and went for a market that generally depends on “one off “ trade. Also in this country they played the minicab operators off against the Black cabbies with the “Knowledge “. That divide doesn’t exist in our business.
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Not likely to be another Uber, they have zillions backing them up and went for a market that generally depends on “one off “ trade. Also in this country they played the minicab operators off against the Black cabbies with the “Knowledge “. That divide doesn’t exist in our business.
Oh it does, just look at the difference in quotes and how each operate. Of course there's a divide, which of course equals more choice for the customer.
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That may be true but how many of us could survive on one offs?
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Don't Ladders Free operate a bit like this?
https://www.laddersfree.co.uk/
They've been going for some years now but only do commercial.
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That may be true but how many of us could survive on one offs?
With small domestic, you need compact accounts; i.e. close together.
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Don't Ladders Free operate a bit like this?
https://www.laddersfree.co.uk/
They've been going for some years now but only do commercial.
If you have a look at their balance sheets, you will see consistant growth from a turnover of just 15k in 2002 to 500k in 2008 and now they are doing £ 1million +
Doesn't mean Osha is going to work though. And i stand by my last statement that they have alienated themselves before they started.
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Don't Ladders Free operate a bit like this?
https://www.laddersfree.co.uk/
They've been going for some years now but only do commercial.
I'm not familiar with laddersfree but from the look of their site they seem to offer much more to their window cleaners than just a 'national advertising budget' and a holding bank account.
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These guys aren't targeting us necessarily. If they do we could easily just decline their offer.
I'm old school so we built our business on word of mouth, doing a good job and some canvassing. We aren't scared to knock on doors. We got virtually zero response from leaflets.
BUT, I don't have a clue about setting up a website and using it as an effective marketing tool. I don't use Facebook either. This is for youngsters. I'm sure I would be able to get sorted if I had to, but what's left of my motivation doesn't push in this direction in the same way being a rocket scientist doesn't either.
Now if I was also too apprehensive to knock on doors, Osha might sound like a good option. After all, I might reason they are taking a cut from my labour in the same way a franchisor would without me having to invest in a franchise financially. They have set up an internet marketing tool which has saved me the risk of learning and doing it myself.
I doubt as a new starter I would avail myself of this for long. Word of mouth and walk ups/enquiries would hopefully help me build my own custom without having to sacrifice a portion to Osha.
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And there latest advert on cui is to get 50k crowd funding as they think our industry needs changing.
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One hundred and sixty bookings wow!
Trying to make that amount sound huge there... I can sense a few people relishing at the thought of this new online payment system.
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Sometimes you need to play devils advocate.
Whilst i personally think so far they havent really engaged with us on this forum, it looks to me they are seeking to gain common ground and advertise shares on here which gives us the opportunity for voting rights. This shows that they are reading this forum and they have noted our concerns.
Just think about that for a minute and run through your mind what this means for us. We have a possibility of sharing in the success of Osha, and have controling rights.. they have asked us to invest. Thats very smart, and you sometimes need to take a second or third glance.
Now i have gone against the grain and made an investment in Osha. If they do end up being the next Uber then its a no brainer. (I dont think it will work myself, but id love to see me be proved wrong)
They are offering A type ordinary shares with a 15% equity stake which is actually very generous i think and sometimes even though we dont like it, we have to move with the times to flourish.
Just remember what happened to Blockbuster and Netflix.
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Ive only got 6 windows on my place and they want £27.00
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Ive only got 6 windows on my place and they want £27.00
Dear me £4.50 per window , I need to put my prices up 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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They value the business at 283k before the funding. In my opinion (which means he haw) they've over valued it so your stake (average of £343) isn't likely to be good for a return.
Having 90 businesses or people singed up means nothing and 160 enquiries in a year or two is simply not good enough. Might be OK for an estate agent but for low value work it's far from the valuation of 283k.
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Ive only got 6 windows on my place and they want £27.00
One off?
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I'm no Alan Sugar but I can't see it working. Agree with most of the above.
Let 'em crack on.
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Ive only got 6 windows on my place and they want £27.00
One off?
Yup.
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How the hell 283k????
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I honestly dont think it will work either.
But it might be worth a punt. I can afford to loose it. No big deal. And if 5 years down the line its worth some money i might get a return..i probably wont though and I'm not expecting to really either.
Its unlikely they will even hit their funding target anyway in which case my investment wont be taken.
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Interesting how they valued their business without any assets. Balance sheet says it all.
As the dragons will say. Stupid valuation, I'm out.
I smell a con
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Interesting how they valued their business without any assets. Balance sheet says it all.
As the dragons will say. Stupid valuation, I'm out.
I smell a con
Can picture big Duncan sitting there saying "you want me to give you 50 Thousand Pounds of My money for 15% of your business".... "what's your valuation based on? What money have you invested in the business?" "Yer havin a laugh... I'm out!" "Ye must be stupid"
But then again he wasn't always right.
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Interesting how they valued their business without any assets. Balance sheet says it all.
As the dragons will say. Stupid valuation, I'm out.
I smell a con
Can picture big Duncan sitting there saying "you want me to give you 50 Thousand Pounds of My money for 15% of your business".... "what's your valuation based on? What money have you invested in the business?" "Yer havin a laugh... I'm out!" "Ye must be stupid"
But then again he wasn't always right.
I was thinking exactly that but was reluctant to put my head above the parapet.
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Ive only got 6 windows on my place and they want £27.00
One off?
Yup.
I’d say that’s not too bad to be honest. I guess it just depends how much someone needs the work.
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Ive only got 6 windows on my place and they want £27.00
One off?
Yup.
I’d say that’s not too bad to be honest. I guess it just depends how much someone needs the work.
4 ground floor windows and 2 first floor. None any bigger than 3' square.
It's taking the pi$$. Its 5 minutes work. If you can as a trader fine, but they're having a laugh trying to charge that, they haven't go clue. These business plans always fail. They will too. No-one wants a middle man when it comes to getting your windows cleaned. Most people want some sort of personal relationship with their shiner, not this business model that is based on exactly the same that've failed in the past.
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If all my work were priced at the rate they're trying to charge for my place Id only have to be out there 1.5 hours a day.
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£170 for a regular clean on a 4 bed detached with a conservatory. Regular.
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If all my work were priced at the rate they're trying to charge for my place Id only have to be out there 1.5 hours a day.
What would you charge? I’d charge £18 as a regular.
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If it were local £15.00., maybe £18.00, would depend on the day I guess and customer. If it wasn't I wouldn't travel.
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Just put in my details not available in your area at the moment leave your details when we can help we will be in touch !,,,,,,, what a laugh some professional company this must be , live in the middle of a town with a population of around 17000 , not in the outer hebredise 😂😂😂😂😂
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Perhaps or maybe they are not so stupid after all.
They must be able to or are reading this so maybe they are seeing what doesn't work or not what to do.
Maybe we are giving them ideas?
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Perhaps or maybe they are not so stupid after all.
They must be able to or are reading this so maybe they are seeing what doesn't work or not what to do.
Maybe we are giving them ideas?
I doubt it, but I wouldn’t give them £50k for back end tinkering. What that really means is money to keep going. If it was £50k for advertising it might be different.
Really what they are doing is trying to fix a problem that the internet fixed 15 years ago. Yes, it used to be difficult to find a window cleaner, but now towns are flooded with them and most of them are on Google. And actually those that search for a window cleaner on Google are the least desirable customers as 80% of them just want a one off. I’ve stopped Adwords for this reason.
The only sustainable model for pure window cleaning is repeat custom.
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Sometimes you need to play devils advocate.
Whilst i personally think so far they havent really engaged with us on this forum, it looks to me they are seeking to gain common ground and advertise shares on here which gives us the opportunity for voting rights. This shows that they are reading this forum and they have noted our concerns.
Just think about that for a minute and run through your mind what this means for us. We have a possibility of sharing in the success of Osha, and have controling rights.. they have asked us to invest. Thats very smart, and you sometimes need to take a second or third glance.
Now i have gone against the grain and made an investment in Osha. If they do end up being the next Uber then its a no brainer. (I dont think it will work myself, but id love to see me be proved wrong)
If you want to give them a cut of the money for the work that you've done (without them having to do owt), I suppose it's only right that you get a cut of their money too.
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Whilst i personally think so far they havent really engaged with us on this forum
They'd be cut to shreds if they came on here. Admin knows that and has probably told them to keep off the grass and not to play with the children.
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Whilst i personally think so far they havent really engaged with us on this forum
They'd be cut to shreds if they came on here. Admin knows that and has probably told them to keep off the grass and not to play with the children.
If they can't be bothered to probably research or listen to industry experts like us they will fail. Totally in denial and seems to be in their dreamy bubble world treating window cleaners like they are thick idiots who can't manage their business.
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If they can't be bothered to probably research or listen to industry experts like us they will fail. Totally in denial and seems to be in their dreamy bubble world treating window cleaners like they are thick idiots who can't manage their business.
It's interesting that you say that, I agree and on the whole it seems to be the consensus.
The problem with comparing them to Uber is that Uber employ (in a round about way) their own drivers. Uber have totally alienated most cabbies and the like, but Uber don't rely on cabbies and established taxi drivers to carry out the work for them.
If Osha could find a way to get the industry - the people actually carrying out the work - behind them, then their business model starts to look much, much better.
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Let's not forget, these are the same people who branded all y'all "just" window cleaners
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1516388219_Capture.JPG)
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I have no doubt that if one of you guys get it right, WFP upstairs windows, squeegee bottoms, specialise on the detailing and you will make a killing. I still think they should have called themselves "Wosha".
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Taken from their crowd funding ad:
"Everything takes place online, including payment, which means no more waiting in for a window cleaner to pick up the cash, so householders now have a really convenient way to arrange either a regular or one-off clean."
They're still peddling the rubbish that 'no more waiting in for a window cleaner to pick up the cash' is relevant. It's not.
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Personally we wouldn’t do one offs for them anyway why would you takes a lot longer no repeat buisness busy one day nothing the next why would people do that for them ?., compleat waist of time , if you are working in a road and someone approaches you wanting a one off and you have the time then yes charge accordingly as it’s an added bonus to the days takings but you cannot run a successful buisness doing that for them
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I think we all basically feel insulted.