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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tony day on May 13, 2017, 08:26:53 pm
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
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I have tried it and I couldn't get good enough results so went back to rinsing off , but the results I got weren't as bad as I expected
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Two pumps to one hose ?? Care to explain?
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Two pumps to one hose ?? Care to explain?
Y piece.
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Two pumps to one hose ?? Care to explain?
Y piece.
Y ?
As in why?
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
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Nah , i can see the problem , you need 0 PPT water and 3 pumps via X connector .
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
And you are 8 weekly ;D
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
And you are 8 weekly ;D
Yes, I come every 8 weeks.
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
And you are 8 weekly ;D
Yes, I come every 8 weeks.
More than me then
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I couldnt think of a reply without offence ;D
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Two pumps to one hose ?? Care to explain?
Y piece.
Y ?
As in why?
Y piece connector.
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
Probably your custy's don't check your work! ???
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
Probably your custy's don't check your work! ???
In two years? I've had the odd complaint but never for spotting. I think you're worrying too much.
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
Probably your custy's don't check your work! ???
In two years? I've had the odd complaint but never for spotting. I think you're worrying too much.
I've worked it out! You work with a magic wand!!
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I mostly rinse on. I've never had a complaint about spots since I started.
Probably your custy's don't check your work! ???
In two years? I've had the odd complaint but never for spotting. I think you're worrying too much.
I've worked it out! You work with a magic wand!!
Nope. An SLX 22. I can only assume your issue is user error.
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Why on earth would you connect two pumps to one hose?
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Stab in the dark here Tony , but is your round in the city (dust) , on the coast (wind/salt), just guess work but could be somthing you are not even taking into account ?
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Stab in the dark here Tony , but is your round in the city (dust) , on the coast (wind/salt), just guess work but could be somthing you are not even taking into account ?
City.
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Why on earth would you connect two pumps to one hose?
More flow.
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Another stab here , could it be that PPB water is just too clean , i saw once that pure water actually attracts the dirt , so the purer the more attractive it could be , prob just wrong BUT who knows ?
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Why on earth would you connect two pumps to one hose?
More flow.
Aren't you governed by the size of the hose for flow?
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What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.
Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.
Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals. But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)
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What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.
Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.
Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals. But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)
So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?
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What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.
Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.
Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals. But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)
So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?
Are you using fan jets?
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What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.
Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.
Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals. But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)
So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?
Are you using fan jets?
Yep.
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What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.
Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.
Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals. But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)
So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?
Are you using fan jets?
Yep.
Must just be technique then. we can't all be wrong can we? ;D
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We have fan jets on one of our brushes.
There are a couple of customers whose windows are full of white spots after cleaning with fan jets rinsing off the glass. We haven't had the same issue when using pencil jets.
I just don't believe we get a good enough concentrated flow of water down the glass to rinse the dirt off using fan jets. I did a commercial job yesterday and used the fan jetted brush. The windows dried fine but I had difficulty rinsing the grit off the windows. When I swapped jets over the pencils did a quicker and better job on a couple of the windows.
That job usually takes me an hour and a half. Its taken me that length of time for the past 10 years. Using fans it took another 15 minutes to complete the job as rinsing took longer.
Next month I will do the job again with the same brush but will rinse with the brush on the windows and see if that is better at removing the fine grit.
We live on the coast and the influence from the sea may also be a contributory factor.
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I think this could be a universal saging or perhaps just a british one. But a good worker doesnt blame his tools.
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I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.
Whilst this might be a true saying, Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.
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I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.
Whilst this might be a true saying, Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.
Being a good worker knows what equipment is best suited for the task at hand. So in Alex case he wasnt blaming fan jets for doing a poor job. But simply that for his work and set up, pencil jets are more suited.
Hence a good worker doesnt blame his equipment as a good worker knows what equipment he or she needs for the job at hand.....
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I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.
Whilst this might be a true saying, Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.
Being a good worker knows what equipment is best suited for the task at hand. So in Alex case he wasnt blaming fan jets for doing a poor job. But simply that for his work and set up, pencil jets are more suited.
Hence a good worker doesnt blame his equipment as a good worker knows what equipment he or she needs for the job at hand.....
As a modular thinker i assess all aspects of what could go wrong and why it's going wrong, and try every method to correct it! I'm not a lazy thinker or worker who has his pumps on full blast thinking well the DIRT DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE ATTITUDE! Any chance of a video Nathaniel! Or what brush should a sceptic be using?
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The set up which works well for my situations is;
500 litres of water (pre heated with an immersion heater and water at start of day at 68 degrees c. Stored in a well insullated tank and it holds it temp all day.
It pumps out using one pump a sureflow 100psi pump via a pure freedom digi controller. For maximum heat at the brush end, i have a flow rate of 80.
Brush: i use a dual trim slime line mono filament brush with four pencil jets (which i have posted pictures on here plus a video to show the hot water,)
Its a heavier brush, but personally i like the weight and also little spread of the brush.
Because the brush doesnt spread, the filaments dont disturb the seal and i can run the brush along the top of the window to cut in (trad term i suppose) once that is washed along with the frames i concentrate on the window and the rinse is just below the top seal. Due to hot water and a higher flow and i clean every four weeks, mostly it only requires one agitation on the glass and then rinse. But on a flow of 80, the firt pass is a scrub and rinse in itself then followed by a second rinse.
Provided the frames are clean and your technique is good, ive not had a complaint yet and yes many a times in first yr of switching over i was paranoid about the cleans and as im fortunate to clean house after house on the same street. I often went back after windows had time to dry to check the results. Ive not been let down yet
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The set up which works well for my situations is;
500 litres of water (pre heated with an immersion heater and water at start of day at 68 degrees c. Stored in a well insullated tank and it holds it temp all day.
It pumps out using one pump a sureflow 100psi pump via a pure freedom digi controller. For maximum heat at the brush end, i have a flow rate of 80.
Brush: i use a dual trim slime line mono filament brush with four pencil jets (which i have posted pictures on here plus a video to show the hot water,)
Its a heavier brush, but personally i like the weight and also little spread of the brush.
Because the brush doesnt spread, the filaments dont disturb the seal and i can run the brush along the top of the window to cut in (trad term i suppose) once that is washed along with the frames i concentrate on the window and the rinse is just below the top seal. Due to hot water and a higher flow and i clean every four weeks, mostly it only requires one agitation on the glass and then rinse. But on a flow of 80, the firt pass is a scrub and rinse in itself then followed by a second rinse.
Provided the frames are clean and your technique is good, ive not had a complaint yet and yes many a times in first yr of switching over i was paranoid about the cleans and as im fortunate to clean house after house on the same street. I often went back after windows had time to dry to check the results. Ive not been let down yet
Thanks for that interpretation. All sounds great on black and white but in reality a video or link would of been much better!
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Hi Men (and you Granville).
All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).
Two pumps to one hose ?? Care to explain?
Y piece.
Any better in getting water out the brush quicker?
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Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique
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Yep, down to the operator......
However i understand not all brushes are suitable for rinsing on as some brushes trap the dirt in and so if your rinsing with brush on, the water will be running over and diluting the dirt back onto the windows n thus causing spotting.
But then a good tradesman would know this. So the saying has to be correct
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Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique
All this talk about technique. Any chance of a video then..?
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Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique
All this talk about technique. Any chance of a video then..?
So, you clean the a window rinsing on and it spots. Do you then reclean the same window rinsing off or do you clean two windows - one rinsed on and one off?
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Rinse on with monophimont bristlle brush, pensil jets, rinse from on the top frame down, no compliants in 11 years trading, speed 3 propak,ps any propaks for sale?
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Some people are just rubbish at window cleaning that's the problem ;D
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Some people are just rubbish at window cleaning that's the problem ;D
;D
Or too fussy.
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Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique
All this talk about technique. Any chance of a video then..?
So, you clean the a window rinsing on and it spots. Do you then reclean the same window rinsing off or do you clean two windows - one rinsed on and one off?
So flow on 60 with fan jets. Method: Clean frames, windows then build up a flow of water then at the top of frames & chase the brush down.
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Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique
All this talk about technique. Any chance of a video then..?
So, you clean the a window rinsing on and it spots. Do you then reclean the same window rinsing off or do you clean two windows - one rinsed on and one off?
So flow on 60 with fan jets. Method: Clean frames, windows then build up a flow of water then at the top of frames & chase the brush down.
Ok, I clean frame - good scrub on top frame, then sides, then without lifting twice over the glass on 100 to allow lots of water. I don't hugely rush so that lots of water flows over the glass. I do this with fans or pencils and whatever brush I'm using. Pump's always on full flow.
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On full flow you'ld be able to rinse down the whole house by standing in garden ;D ;D ;D
And the next house n one after that as well
😂😂
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Another stab here , could it be that PPB water is just too clean , i saw once that pure water actually attracts the dirt , so the purer the more attractive it could be , prob just wrong BUT who knows ?
WTF!
No need for that matey , just trying to help you by thinking outside the box , we all know that PPM pure water attracts dirt , you are using ultra pure PPB water that should by rights attract more dirt , would it not be possible for this super water to actually grab dirt particles from the atmosphere ?
I can only then assume its user error or the PPB machine is broke ;D
Rich
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Another stab here , could it be that PPB water is just too clean , i saw once that pure water actually attracts the dirt , so the purer the more attractive it could be , prob just wrong BUT who knows ?
WTF!
No need for that matey , just trying to help you by thinking outside the box , we all know that PPM pure water attracts dirt , you are using ultra pure PPB water that should by rights attract more dirt , would it not be possible for this super water to actually grab dirt particles from the atmosphere ?
I can only then assume its user error or the PPB machine is broke ;D
Rich
Fair point!
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I used to swap from pencil to fan all the time at first. Changed brushes etc.
I ended up using fans on the glass,full flow. The water really cascades down the glass
I rinse on the glass as it MUCH less wear on my joints and not because it does a better job. Rinsing off the glass causes splashing. Keep the flow high and ass concentrated in 1 spot as possible .
Pencil jets are great for moving spiders webs about
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Can you guys please explain this a bit for a newbie? Are you talking about the difference between rinsing the glass with the brush touching the glass or with the brush an inch or so off? Or is there more to it?
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Can you guys please explain this a bit for a newbie? Are you talking about the difference between rinsing the glass with the brush touching the glass or with the brush an inch or so off? Or is there more to it?
Nope you've hit the nail on the head, some people rinse with the brush off the glass some rinse with it on and others don't
even bother rinsing, they will all tell you that their method is the only way to do it right.
High flows, ultra pure, nuclear resin, jet shapes, genetically modified brushes, water heated to a sweet spot, plastic restoring additives the list goes on.
Windows cleaners have turned what is basically removing a small amount of dust from a pane of glass into a complicated
science that even Stephen Hawking would have trouble getting his head around.
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Can Steven Hawking even move his head? Let alone get it around anything ...
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no compliants in 11 years trading,
Mine are the same but I need the money so they have put up with me.
Eggs and a sliver of bamboo if they don't.
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Rinse on with monophimont bristlle brush, pensil jets, rinse from on the top frame down, no compliants in 11 years trading, speed 3 propak,ps any propaks for sale?
No complaints in 11 years? Really?
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He never answers his phone.
Some people are like that.
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Rinse on with monophimont bristlle brush, pensil jets, rinse from on the top frame down, no compliants in 11 years trading, speed 3 propak,ps any propaks for sale?
No complaints in 11 years? Really?
Loads of complaints- maybe silent ones- if he has no compliants.
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Can you guys please explain this a bit for a newbie? Are you talking about the difference between rinsing the glass with the brush touching the glass or with the brush an inch or so off? Or is there more to it?
Nope you've hit the nail on the head, some people rinse with the brush off the glass some rinse with it on and others don't
even bother rinsing, they will all tell you that their method is the only way to do it right.
High flows, ultra pure, nuclear resin, jet shapes, genetically modified brushes, water heated to a sweet spot, plastic restoring additives the list goes on.
Windows cleaners have turned what is basically removing a small amount of dust from a pane of glass into a complicated
science that even Stephen Hawking would have trouble getting his head around.
Spot on! Window cleaning has become very over technical!
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Can Steven Hawking even move his head? Let alone get it around anything ...
Not enough glass to pay for Steven Hawking's expertise. But there is enough glass to own, and pay you for one day!
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Can you guys please explain this a bit for a newbie? Are you talking about the difference between rinsing the glass with the brush touching the glass or with the brush an inch or so off? Or is there more to it?
Nope you've hit the nail on the head, some people rinse with the brush off the glass some rinse with it on and others don't
even bother rinsing, they will all tell you that their method is the only way to do it right.
High flows, ultra pure, nuclear resin, jet shapes, genetically modified brushes, water heated to a sweet spot, plastic restoring additives the list goes on.
Windows cleaners have turned what is basically removing a small amount of dust from a pane of glass into a complicated
science that even Stephen Hawking would have trouble getting his head around.
Spot on! Window cleaning has become very over technical!
That bit I've highlighted in red...
Is that an entreaty to us all? ;)
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Not spotting but leaves bits on the glass.
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I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.
Whilst this might be a true saying, Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.
Being a good worker knows what equipment is best suited for the task at hand. So in Alex case he wasnt blaming fan jets for doing a poor job. But simply that for his work and set up, pencil jets are more suited.
Hence a good worker doesnt blame his equipment as a good worker knows what equipment he or she needs for the job at hand.....
As a modular thinker i assess all aspects of what could go wrong and why it's going wrong, and try every method to correct it! I'm not a lazy thinker or worker who has his pumps on full blast thinking well the DIRT DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE ATTITUDE! Any chance of a video Nathaniel! Or what brush should a sceptic be using?
Ok just for you, a video i have done!!
Now you will have to put up with a shakey camera as its not easy holding a camera in one hand and a pole in other, so i tried holding the camera on the pole. Its enough to give general idea anyway.
This link to show brush n flow speed
https://youtu.be/70PwFdLutRc
This link for the cleaning
https://youtu.be/QUAHkJeTMSM
This link for the quality check
https://youtu.be/8plA3kklAR4
Obviously the technique n speed is normally better, but like i said holding a camera at the same time changes things slightly
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check them from inside in bright sunlight :'(
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Agreed, its a bit like watching 60 minute makeover, on camera and from a distance everything looks nice but anybody
with a bit of decorating experience can see the botch job it actually is.
That said you cant really go wrong with the type of window Nathan's showing on his video especially on short interval repeat cleans, wouldn't it be great if they where all like that.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Nathans clean isn't ok just saying the quality video doesn't prove it.
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I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.
Whilst this might be a true saying, Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.
Being a good worker knows what equipment is best suited for the task at hand. So in Alex case he wasnt blaming fan jets for doing a poor job. But simply that for his work and set up, pencil jets are more suited.
Hence a good worker doesnt blame his equipment as a good worker knows what equipment he or she needs for the job at hand.....
As a modular thinker i assess all aspects of what could go wrong and why it's going wrong, and try every method to correct it! I'm not a lazy thinker or worker who has his pumps on full blast thinking well the DIRT DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE ATTITUDE! Any chance of a video Nathaniel! Or what brush should a sceptic be using?
Ok just for you, a video i have done!!
Now you will have to put up with a shakey camera as its not easy holding a camera in one hand and a pole in other, so i tried holding the camera on the pole. Its enough to give general idea anyway.
This link to show brush n flow speed
https://youtu.be/70PwFdLutRc
This link for the cleaning
https://youtu.be/QUAHkJeTMSM
This link for the quality check
https://youtu.be/8plA3kklAR4
Obviously the technique n speed is normally better, but like i said holding a camera at the same time changes things slightly
Appreciate the video Nathaniel!
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check them from inside in bright sunlight :'(
No need, they've got a blind. I love blinds and nets!
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Cheers for taking the time to make the vids..... :)
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i wouldnt rinse on with a flocked brush nathan.your asking for trouble.
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i wouldnt rinse on with a flocked brush nathan.your asking for trouble.
Understand where your coming from as most flocked brushes trap the dirt in them.
But i regularly keep checking n cleaning the brush to prevent this. Though saying that, i might get caught out one day im sure. But for now, it seems to be working ok for me