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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: nathankaye on November 29, 2016, 01:37:31 am
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Via my web site, i had an enquiry to clean somebody's windows. It was only an hr later when i saw the enquiry and so phoned the lady for details. It was a 3 bed semi with conservatory and looking for a price. But then she told me that another chap had got back to her before me calling and said he could do it for £7.50 and so politely told her that i couldnt offer my services for that little amount but thanked her for the enquiry and to keep me in mind if circumstances changed.
Ive no idea if hes trad or wfp, but either way what a ridiculous price. If only these chaps had some self worth and stopped selling themselves cheap
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depends were you are youre lucky to get 8 quid were we are to some every pound is a prisoner self worth dose not put food on the table if were you are is swamped with shiner it follows the rate is gonna suffer more cleaners = less work=low prices.
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what if he had 6 others next door to her all the same ?
3 bed semi with average conny on ladders 20 minutes or wfp 12 minutes.
not a bad hourly rate for some parts of the country ... down south then yes mad prices but better than factory min wages work.
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Keep pushing those prices Nathan, forget what others charge and just charge what you'd like to work for.
It'll take longer to get a decent round but you'll have an awesome round eventually.
I think this has come up before and slack looked into how many house are worth half a million round there and there's quite a few!
Don't concentrate on the small council estate type houses where everyone seems skint . there's a lot of people out there who don't want a Chavy window cleaner turning up to their posh house
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I was in the city of Bath at the weekend at a nice bungalow. Owner asked me what I'd charge I told him I didn't want the work as it was outside my area and wasn't interested. I told them normally it would be around £15.
They were quoted £35 by another cleaner, but then I am a bit chavvy.
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Obv depends where you but here in West Yorkshire low prices are ingrained in society.
I had a call yesterday, hi can you come and clean my windows...sure for your house it would be about £12 but I can give you an exact price when I arrive.
Oh, next door says she pays £5.
Not to me she doesn't, maybe you should ask her who cleans her windows
Ok I will she says. Bye
To be honest I'm more surprised when they take my offer than when they decline due to price. I get only maybe 1 in 3 or 4 quotes but never mind you have to remember ( if your a one man band and want to stay that way) you only need 300-400 customers so even with that rate of rejection with hundreds of thousands of houses in my city there's plenty of work out there still.
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Via my web site, i had an enquiry to clean somebody's windows. It was only an hr later when i saw the enquiry and so phoned the lady for details. It was a 3 bed semi with conservatory and looking for a price. But then she told me that another chap had got back to her before me calling and said he could do it for £7.50 and so politely told her that i couldnt offer my services for that little amount but thanked her for the enquiry and to keep me in mind if circumstances changed.
Ive no idea if hes trad or wfp, but either way what a ridiculous price. If only these chaps had some self worth and stopped selling themselves cheap
there will always be window cleaners cheaper(and more expensive!).
whats "self worth" got to do with it?he might be perfectly happy with £7-50 for that size property.
lots of window cleaners charge low prices everywhere but if you have a lot(house after house)you can still make half decent money.
he might be just starting out or really need the work.either way we all charge what we want.
you win some and lose some. ;)
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Excellent reply Dazmond, if he's been working in some hole for £7.20 an hour then he might be making more money than
he's ever made in his life.
If later in the game he finds out he's working for less than everybody else then he would be a fool not to improve his lot.
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If all his worth is 7.50 then it may be wise to go back to that 7.20 hellhole job he had before.
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For all the ones jumping on bandwagon saying whats self worth got to do with it etc etc and loads of shiners etc etc. In these areas ive been working on well established rounds and charge hell of alot more than 7.50 for a 3bed semi dispite new shiners coming with low low prices only to quickly go. But i ask this, if a 3 bed semi is 7.50 with a conny, how much do u reckon hes charging for a normal 3 bed semi........
Yea hes putting food on table for his family along with claiming every benefit under the sun probably, whikst driving down expected prices for everybody else inc new potential shiners etc.
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If all his worth is 7.50 then it may be wise to go back to that 7.20 hellhole job he had before.
If he's taking an hour to clean this property then yes, if doing three or four an hour then why would he ?
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For all the ones jumping on bandwagon saying whats self worth got to do with it etc etc and loads of shiners etc etc. In these areas ive been working on well established rounds and charge hell of alot more than 7.50 for a 3bed semi dispite new shiners coming with low low prices only to quickly go. But i ask this, if a 3 bed semi is 7.50 with a conny, how much do u reckon hes charging for a normal 3 bed semi........
Yea hes putting food on table for his family along with claiming every benefit under the sun probably, whikst driving down expected prices for everybody else inc new potential shiners etc.
Dry your eyes Nathan, the guys doing what's right for him just as your doing what's right for you, just as your looking down on
him others on here will be looking down on you and your pricing.
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I think part of the problem is you assume everyone is the same as you Nathan.
I have 4 kids and the usual bills and I would not clean that house for 7.50 because I like to earn more than that so I don't have to struggle.
But the guy who is doing in for 7.50 could do 3 an hour for 6 hours day. That's roughly 130 a day Now he could work harder than that have more compact work and earn more.
But let's assume he "only turns over 130 a day". So that's what nearly 2.5k a month. Maybe he lives in a council house or low rent and has a partner but mo kids. His outgoings could be less than 1k a month.
To some people that would be considered a fortune.
2 years ago when I worked full time for 1200 a monto I would have ripped your arm off to earn that much. 500 a week was a lot of money to me then and it still is now, it's just that I can see much more potential in it than that.
I hate low priced guys too it makes it much harder to buold a round but to suggest he is living on the breadline and claiming every benefit under the sun is ridiculous.
I think ksometimes we don't realise how lucky we are in this job to be able to earn more than a lot of people and quite a lot of people who have been to university for years etc.
There's a lot worse existences than cleaning a house for 7 quid that takes 15 mins or so.
Like I say, I have the vision to earn a lot more but sometimes is far too easy to be snobby
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For all the ones jumping on bandwagon saying whats self worth got to do with it etc etc and loads of shiners etc etc. In these areas ive been working on well established rounds and charge hell of alot more than 7.50 for a 3bed semi dispite new shiners coming with low low prices only to quickly go. But i ask this, if a 3 bed semi is 7.50 with a conny, how much do u reckon hes charging for a normal 3 bed semi........
Yea hes putting food on table for his family along with claiming every benefit under the sun probably, whikst driving down expected prices for everybody else inc new potential shiners etc.
Is this guy having any effect on you?
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I think part of the problem is you assume everyone is the same as you Nathan.
I have 4 kids and the usual bills and I would not clean that house for 7.50 because I like to earn more than that so I don't have to struggle.
But the guy who is doing in for 7.50 could do 3 an hour for 6 hours day. That's roughly 130 a day Now he could work harder than that have more compact work and earn more.
But let's assume he "only turns over 130 a day". So that's what nearly 2.5k a month. Maybe he lives in a council house or low rent and has a partner but mo kids. His outgoings could be less than 1k a month.
To some people that would be considered a fortune.
2 years ago when I worked full time for 1200 a monto I would have ripped your arm off to earn that much. 500 a week was a lot of money to me then and it still is now, it's just that I can see much more potential in it than that.
I hate low priced guys too it makes it much harder to buold a round but to suggest he is living on the breadline and claiming every benefit under the sun is ridiculous.
I think ksometimes we don't realise how lucky we are in this job to be able to earn more than a lot of people and quite a lot of people who have been to university for years etc.
There's a lot worse existences than cleaning a house for 7 quid that takes 15 mins or so.
Like I say, I have the vision to earn a lot more but sometimes is far too easy to be snobby
Exactly Adam, great post and maybe this guy will eventually see the extra potential if its there to be had.
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We all know of shiners that are quite happy to charge what they want to put food on the table regardless how low we may think their prices are. Some may I add have been is the game a very long time.
The hardest part I suppose to try and gain enough compact work at so say "top dollar" prices so they don't have to work so hard for the same amount of reward. That can be easier said than done in the real world as there will always be someone cheaper than you.
How much they wants to charge is down to them as there is no right or wrong price as long as their customers & the shiner is happy that all that matters surely?
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Nathan is obsessed with what other window cleaners charge. It really seems to get to him.
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I blame the old school trad cleaners myself mostly that still do it for next to bugger all ;D
Not only some potentials live in the past but many shiners do to. I think it's called something like price conditioning.
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Nathan is obsessed with what other window cleaners charge. It really seems to get to him.
Peoples silly responses on here gets to me a little, especially when im having a bad day. Like today, i always lay my hose flat straight over rd if it needs to. Some idiot was flying down street (over limit) but scraping is plastic undercariage (? Not bril at spelling) along floor which snagged on hose pipe and yank my hose n reel out from connectors and into middle of road as well as yanking brush out my hands. It pulled his/hers plastic guard off but they didnt notice as just carried on flying down street. Its taken 30 mins to fix it all, so miffed a little now 😤.
So be weary when laying hose across the floor of the road.
Ok prices, i dont particularly care what others charge and was just sharing it on here because i personally thought its ridiculously low. Prob charges less than 5 for a normal 3 bed semi without conny. But im posting this to wrong folk on here as it sounds like we should all drop our prices because its seemingly impossible to get relatively good prices for cleaning windows (even tho a whle lot of us do,,,,,strange isnt it) and all you need to do is charge silly low prices and work your ass of all day everyday to make a living. According to some above posts.
Doesnt affect my business thats been more than established with good prices for the areas. Just strikes me as funny that all, but if i want to take more work on im not gonna charge silly prices just to get it because i feel customers wont pay it (again to do with mind set, as posted on many pricing threads). Thats generally what u find with people who charge low, they generally think customers wont pay more. But as some on here know, you give quality, regular, reliable work and clients will pay and yes for less than 10 or 15mixn work. Thats in south yorkshire too.
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Haha, as im taking 5mins out after sorting back of van out. A chap (polish not that it matters), jumps out his house n knocks on van window. Could you clean front of my house for a fiver?
I sadly declined, explaining it would be more to clean as a one off. But hey, thats me being a snob apparantly. ....dont figure
Now im sure ones are gonna tell me that a fiver is well worth it. Yep if your desperate for money. Others will tell me a whole lot more to charge and what tbey would charge if this is in their particular rounds......which is also fine.
Its good to talk....
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Not having a great day by the sounds of it bud.
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Doesnt affect my business
If that's true then carry on as you were and let him get on with it.
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Not having a great day by the sounds of it bud.
Nope, think i might call it a day today and try again tomorrow.
Not long after previous post im working up the street. So usually lay hose up middle of road if working some distance on a street. So no idiots park on it. However after spending what seemed like ages fixing my equipment back uo and replacing some parts, i thought i'ld best place hose as close to curbs as possible. So even if a car oarks up, it shouldnt park on hose and i can lift onto pavement and carryone working. But no, an idiot driver parks half on pavement half on road. Its a wide road, so theres no obstruction if parked normally on road. So had to unconnect my fixings (thankfully quick release) to pull hose under n thru car so i can carry on working.
Not a good day at all.
Thinking go home, warm up with a laphroaig whiskey and watch kids play and try again tomorrow
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Haha, as im taking 5mins out after sorting back of van out. A chap (polish not that it matters), jumps out his house n knocks on van window. Could you clean front of my house for a fiver?
I sadly declined, explaining it would be more to clean as a one off. But hey, thats me being a snob apparantly. ....dont figure
Now im sure ones are gonna tell me that a fiver is well worth it. Yep if your desperate for money. Others will tell me a whole lot more to charge and what tbey would charge if this is in their particular rounds......which is also fine.
Its good to talk....
Nathan the decision you made was the correct one for you. I also would have declined it but i reckon the trad guy who cleans in my street would have grabbed it as he cleans whole houses for less.
I mean you can decline it or think hey 10 mins work that's my fish and chips paid for on the way home.
There's no right or wrong prices.
I personally want go keep growing and pushing the pricing as much as possible but as is apparent others like to clean houses for low prices and never grow or have aspirations.
I couldn't care less what others charge, in fact that house yis said was 7.50 I would just smile to myself knowing I do those for 15 or so and think I'm glad I lm not him.
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Haha, as im taking 5mins out after sorting back of van out. A chap (polish not that it matters), jumps out his house n knocks on van window. Could you clean front of my house for a fiver?
I sadly declined, explaining it would be more to clean as a one off. But hey, thats me being a snob apparantly. ....dont figure
Now im sure ones are gonna tell me that a fiver is well worth it. Yep if your desperate for money. Others will tell me a whole lot more to charge and what tbey would charge if this is in their particular rounds......which is also fine.
Its good to talk....
Nathan the decision you made was the correct one for you. I also would have declined it but i reckon the trad guy who cleans in my street would have grabbed it as he cleans whole houses for less.
I mean you can decline it or think hey 10 mins work that's my fish and chips paid for on the way home.
There's no right or wrong prices.
I personally want go keep growing and pushing the pricing as much as possible but as is apparent others like to clean houses for low prices and never grow or have aspirations.
I couldn't care less what others charge, in fact that house yis said was 7.50 I would just smile to myself knowing I do those for 15 or so and think I'm glad I lm not him.
Wish I could get Fish and Chips for a fiver round my way ... ;D
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Is anyone else having a bad day or is it just me today. As im loading up, a chap belts side mirror as hes going by. Thank fully he stopped to tell me, we have a look and able to sort it out, so that wasnt too bad, but on top of everything else......its been a long day.
Haha, shud have done those windows and picked up a couple of bottles of speckled hen to have with the stew......nevermind
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Are you allowed to lay hose all over the highway?
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sounds dear to me !!!!!! daughter gets the same done for a fiver in darlington , the other daughter gets a 6 bed house and a massive conny all for 6 pounds done in newton aycliffe very cheap up there window cleaners
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Some window cleaners do take the mick with prices my neighbour asked me tonight if I could clean the windows on her place of work I asked her how many windows seven she said 6 ft by 1 ft wide I fell on my backside when she told me how much other window cleaner used to charge £40 omg . I think he used to live down south .
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I used to have a customer that was from down south lived in a house with five windows I live in Yorkshire normal price would be around a fiver he said I know what you charge for houses this size ten pounds he said but gave me twenty pounds a clean I cried when he moved ;D
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Haha, as im taking 5mins out after sorting back of van out. A chap (polish not that it matters), jumps out his house n knocks on van window. Could you clean front of my house for a fiver?
I sadly declined, explaining it would be more to clean as a one off. But hey, thats me being a snob apparantly. ....dont figure
Now im sure ones are gonna tell me that a fiver is well worth it. Yep if your desperate for money. Others will tell me a whole lot more to charge and what tbey would charge if this is in their particular rounds......which is also fine.
Its good to talk....
Nathan the decision you made was the correct one for you. I also would have declined it but i reckon the trad guy who cleans in my street would have grabbed it as he cleans whole houses for less.
I mean you can decline it or think hey 10 mins work that's my fish and chips paid for on the way home.
There's no right or wrong prices.
I personally want go keep growing and pushing the pricing as much as possible but as is apparent others like to clean houses for low prices and never grow or have aspirations.
I couldn't care less what others charge, in fact that house yis said was 7.50 I would just smile to myself knowing I do those for 15 or so and think I'm glad I lm not him.
Wish I could get Fish and Chips for a fiver round my way ... ;D
A fiver is top end for fish and chips round here!
My local is £3.50 for fish and chips, one down road is about £4 and the one we call "posh" is a fiver, it has a drive thru etc, we never go there ;D
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so when you go shopping do you always by the dearest pair of trainers........no you shop around and buy the cheapest
its no different to window cleaning
get over it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Dont buy the dearest but certainly dont buy the cheapest. Why not??? Because if you buy the cheapest what do you actually expect, you expect it not to last, infact you expect it to be cheap. Be that trainers or fish n chips ;D ;D
So be honest, what do expect if you pay peanuts for a job done?? If its any different to monkeys work, then i'll be very suprised.
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I get my hair cut for free...in fairness I like the fact she doesn't the hair around my ears...
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I get my hair cut for free...in fairness I like the fact she doesn't the hair around my ears...
big pair of ear don-kee
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so when you go shopping do you always by the dearest pair of trainers........no you shop around and buy the cheapest
its no different to window cleaning
get over it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Speak for yourself, I personally like spending a good £100 on trainers from jd sports
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I am up in West Yorkshire , (birkenshaw , Gomersal) I know there is other windows cleaner charging less than myself but I find some of the houses they clean tend to be ones that I and other window cleaners have either sacked or will not do as they will not paid the going rate.
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It all depends on where your at, I know there are people in my area who wont pay my price and the people who will pay it
are getting harder to find.
Now does a newbie with very little work sit on his hands waiting for the same or better priced work as others are getting or does he take on those looking for a cheaper price ?
Its very easy to be snobby when you have already built a round and forget that every round built makes it just that little
bit harder for the guy who comes next to do the same.
Its the same with this self worth nonsense, its a lot easier to realise your self worth and be more confident if your not under
threat of losing the roof over you head.
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I've found generally speaking trad guy's tend to charge less than wfp guy's as they don't have the added set up and running costs.
A fiver a job to a trad guy walking a compact round be it by trad poles or ladders is worth more to them overheads wise than someone using a wfp that's for sure. Hence why wfp guys tend to price higher to cover the added cost.
At the end of the day customers don’t really give a fig how their windows are cleaned if they are just looking for the cheapest price.
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In that case, you would want to make as much money as you can. So charging very little and working your back side off all day, would be a whole lot better getting a good price for those sane jobs in the first place.
How long did it take you to realise that. Many a times ive priced up a job and had my hand snatched off. Then you realise that you could have asked for more and still get the job. It doesnt take long to realise that and do something about it. Its nothing to do with being snobby, its about running a business not a charity. A business so you can keep a roof over your head, food on the table and look after your family and i have a large family as ive posted in the past. So again its about mind set, even for the ones building a round. Yes i have four well established rounds, but i get enquiries from word of mouth in new areas. Now do i go in cheap to get established and build a new round. NOT at all, i go in with confidence of my service and reputation and get the price i want. Which is just the same as a newbie in your example starting off. No difference in my mind and if i and others can do it, tben newbies in compact rounds can do it as well. That is my point.. ;D
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In that case, you would want to make as much money as you can. So charging very little and working your back side off all day, would be a whole lot better getting a good price for those sane jobs in the first place.
How long did it take you to realise that. Many a times ive priced up a job and had my hand snatched off. Then you realise that you could have asked for more and still get the job. It doesnt take long to realise that and do something about it. Its nothing to do with being snobby, its about running a business not a charity. A business so you can keep a roof over your head, food on the table and look after your family and i have a large family as ive posted in the past. So again its about mind set, even for the ones building a round. Yes i have four well established rounds, but i get enquiries from word of mouth in new areas. Now do i go in cheap to get established and build a new round. NOT at all, i go in with confidence of my service and reputation and get the price i want. Which is just the same as a newbie in your example starting off. No difference in my mind and if i and others can do it, tben newbies in compact rounds can do it as well. That is my point.. ;D
You make a good point.... any chance you could do bullet points next time as it would save me half hour of reading every time you post lmao 😂 ;D ;D
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In a nutshell it's just a question of having the balls to ask for what you want out of a job and not be price conditioned/sell on price alone to win work.
Higher prices = less work & more profit... That is defo a no brainer if you ask me. ;D
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Haha ;D
My wife does call me the "waffler" lol
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Yes i have four well established rounds.
You have 4 rounds? Why in heck are you worried about some halfwit working for nowt?
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why is it that just because some people may charge less than some one else they are on benefits get a grip. that's small minded .that reminds me I'm late signing on
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Wouldn't it be great if we all charged the same expensive price with no undercutting, happy days, but then what if
somebody came along said to hell with the lot of you and decided to charge more, would that make us all halfwits ?
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Whats the point of running a business if not to ultimately make money, bottom line. Therefore identifying that you can charge more for property is actually meant to help encourage higher prices.
But can see some get upset by this so lets start a thread to praise all the ones who charge a much lower price in the same target area as ones who (sorry have to laugh ;D ;D) dare i say, charge more or who dare to charge more. My back!!!
Sorry, shud have bullet pointed that ;D
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Haha ;D
My wife does call me the "waffler" lol
Thoroughly enjoyed this post 👍 Fantastic bit of writing 😂😂
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I've never grasped how anyone can drive from where they live put fuel in there van pay TAX and everything that goes with running a business and charge the likes of £7-50,ok as said if you have a huge amount of next door to each other but if there was just 2-3 houses in a road for that amount each it's ridiculous. Some WCs will price just to get the work as we all know,I do a job for £75 but others have quoted 45-50 for it,we all have different expenses and expectations when it comes to money for jobs what's a lot for one cleaner is not enough to make ends meet for others.
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I've never grasped how anyone can drive from where they live put fuel in there van pay TAX and everything that goes with running a business and charge the likes of £7-50,ok as said if you have a huge amount of next door to each other but if there was just 2-3 houses in a road for that amount each it's ridiculous. Some WCs will price just to get the work as we all know,I do a job for £75 but others have quoted 45-50 for it,we all have different expenses and expectations when it comes to money for jobs what's a lot for one cleaner is not enough to make ends meet for others.
Well, not that i do it or price that low, i dont
But, to answer the question
3x 7.50 houses in 1 road = 22.50
lets assume you can do 6 roads in a day which is feasable each at 22.50
thats 130 quid or so
minus maybe a fiver in fuel
5 days a week = 625 after fuel
625 x 48 = 30 000
minus 500 on van m.ot etc
minus 300 pure water
lets say a grand miscellaneous (dont know why)
200 whatever
28 000 taxable
pay tax on 28k = 3400
leaves 24, 400 take home
or 2 grand a month
Lets say your bills come to a grand thats a grand a month in your hand
add on a bit extra for one off cash jobs that might slip thru
wheres the hardship?
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So you work for yourself have all the expenses of running a business and expect to make wages + a profit for an average yearly wage,that's my point entirely it ain't worth it you may as well work for someone else and let them have the hassle. Not being funny but 2400 a Month isn't much if it's your own business TBH.
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So you work for yourself have all the expenses of running a business and expect to make wages + a profit for an average yearly wage,that's my point entirely it ain't worth it you may as well work for someone else and let them have the hassle. Not being funny but 2400 a Month isn't much if it's your own business TBH.
I understand what you are saying. And I agree I want to earn more than that I'm just saying it ain't that bad as people make out sometimes either. It depends on your perspective because although 25k or whatever it is is supposed to be an average wage in my experience , amongst friends, the local area etc 25k is not average at all. I would say 15k is average. I have earned about 15k most of my workng life until I started my own business so I'm sure you can see looking through my eyes would see things differently.
Overheads can be pretty minimal as well, I know we can buy brand new vans and expensive systems but d.I. y setups can be very cheap. General running costs, well my pure water costs around 200 a year, on top of that is only fuel and van maintenance. Ok theres things like buying the gear in the first place and occasionally replacing things like filters, workwear,ink et but over the year that might only be a few hundred.
I agree there becomes a point when it's a better idea to get a job but if all the jobs that you can just walk into only pay minimum wage then 24 k isn't the threshold imo. But hey we all see the world differently depending on out circumstances so theres really bo right or wrong answer. The only thing that matters is you are happy because thats really all there is to it.
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Another great post Adam and fair play for keeping it sensible and insult free, thing is there's not one of us who knows for
certain if we couldn't be getting more.
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I know someone constantly saying I'm earning a good wage ie 27k a year,that's a really good wage for my job he's a manager of a sports centre. He doesn't over spend every month it's just that wage down south is not enough to live on,at the end of the month after rent and food and all bills he's left with around £170 a week to himself. There will always be a north south divide when it comes to money-earnings,someone up north could have 2 windys working with him everyday and still struggle to keep up with a soletrader on premium work down south,if your charging £10 for a house up north there's a very realistic chance you'd get 25 in the affluent areas down south and that's a fact.
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I know someone constantly saying I'm earning a good wage ie 27k a year,that's a really good wage for my job he's a manager of a sports centre. He doesn't over spend every month it's just that wage down south is not enough to live on,at the end of the month after rent and food and all bills he's left with around £170 a week to himself. There will always be a north south divide when it comes to money-earnings,someone up north could have 2 windys working with him everyday and still struggle to keep up with a soletrader on premium work down south,if your charging £10 for a house up north there's a very realistic chance you'd get 25 in the affluent areas down south and that's a fact.
I think youve nailed it, there is a big north/south divide
My house is a 3 bed semi, i pay 600 a moth rent with my girlfriend who pays half of the bills, So 27k up here is pretty comfortable.
But again you say 170 a week left over like its nothing, ive lived on a lot less than that before, i would say i lived on 200 a month left over for a number of years - hence why i might look at money slightly differently to you.
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"Higher prices = less work & more profit... That is defo a no brainer if you ask me."
It also = less wear and tear on your equipment for the same amount of money earned.
Less wear and tear on your van for same amount earned.
Less fuel consumed.
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I know someone constantly saying I'm earning a good wage ie 27k a year,that's a really good wage for my job he's a manager of a sports centre. He doesn't over spend every month it's just that wage down south is not enough to live on,at the end of the month after rent and food and all bills he's left with around £170 a week to himself. There will always be a north south divide when it comes to money-earnings,someone up north could have 2 windys working with him everyday and still struggle to keep up with a soletrader on premium work down south,if your charging £10 for a house up north there's a very realistic chance you'd get 25 in the affluent areas down south and that's a fact.
I think youve nailed it, there is a big north/south divide
My house is a 3 bed semi, i pay 600 a moth rent with my girlfriend who pays half of the bills, So 27k up here is pretty comfortable.
But again you say 170 a week left over like its nothing, ive lived on a lot less than that before, i would say i lived on 200 a month left over for a number of years - hence why i might look at money slightly differently to you.
To be honest I don't think its anything to do with affluent areas, I work in an area where its a buyers market and the prices
reflect this, about 30 miles from me guys are getting almost double in an area no more affluent than mine, difference is there's
a shortage of shiners and plenty of demand.
Thing is if I was at an earlier stage in my life and a bit more money hungry I could do a 60 mile round trip commute, but for
me having a handy round on my doorstep makes up for smaller but still more than acceptable turnover.
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I blame the old school trad cleaners myself mostly that still do it for next to bugger all ;D
Not only some potentials live in the past but many shiners do to. I think it's called something like price conditioning.
i find its young window cleaners that charge next to bugger all for cleaning windows in my area.ive cleaned windows for 38 years plus