Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Shrek on November 25, 2016, 09:31:49 pm
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Ok so I thought I'd give it a while before I order the tubeless set up just in case there's teething problems, I can obviously see the pros ( time saving!) .
Are there any cons though or is everyone pretty pleased with it?
Cheers! 👍
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Main con for me I like to use the pole hose on the outside of my poles so would be pointless. ;D
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Hmm I see your point, but I see a lot of time saved not having to coil the pole hose up and the protection of the rectus fittings , a money saver too
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Adding and removing pole sections is also another con for me.
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It's not really 'tubeless' is it.
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ive sacked mine gone back to aqua dapter much better imo
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I like it far quicker and no coiling up pole hose , only down side is the thinner hose going onto your reel when you try and pull it around the corner of buildings it snags a lot more with the joint to the micro bore unless you take all the pole hose in your hand and just drag the microbore hose , I have converted all my poles to this system
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Something else to faff about with and potentially go wrong/ leak and for the life of me I cant see how being able to
take part of my hose off is going to save me time.
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
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Adding and removing pole sections is also another con for me.
Oh! I find that an advantage with the tubeless system. Much of my work can be done with 25' pole but every now and then I need the 35/44' extension. All I do is disconnect, put extensions on, reconnect, off I go. Quite a rapid process,whereas before it was, disconnect take out pole hose, extensions on, pole hose back up pole, reconnect. Much quicker with tubeless. Imo. :D
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Something else to faff about with and potentially go wrong/ leak and for the life of me I cant see how being able to
take part of my hose off is going to save me time.
There is less to go wrong. I'm using the same female rectus fitting from when I first fitted it 2 years ago. It really does prolong the life of the rectus and makes packing the hose up quicker.
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Something else to faff about with and potentially go wrong/ leak and for the life of me I cant see how being able to
take part of my hose off is going to save me time.
There is less to go wrong. I'm using the same female rectus fitting from when I first fitted it 2 years ago. It really does prolong the life of the rectus and makes packing the hose up quicker.
That's what I was thinking, my rectus fittings get changed a couple times a year
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
How do you rate the yellow cap , and where did you buy it?
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There are no cons for me.
Fittings last ages
Dry van, no pole hose water escaping , that's what sold it for me
No tangled hose as it's disconnected when winding in
The blue hose is so good I use 100mtr of it doing away the joint to 6 or 8mm
Tony
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony
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When you disconnect your hose the water comes out the end of the pole..so no more frozen water 💦 in the pole overnight.
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Something else to faff about with and potentially go wrong/ leak and for the life of me I cant see how being able to
take part of my hose off is going to save me time.
There is less to go wrong. I'm using the same female rectus fitting from when I first fitted it 2 years ago. It really does prolong the life of the rectus and makes packing the hose up quicker.
That's what I was thinking, my rectus fittings get changed a couple times a year
Still doesn't make sense, you still need a fitting to connect the pole hose to the reel hose and if I wanted to reel part of my
pole hose onto the reel I would do so without disconnecting it, wouldn't save any time though.
You now have two connections instead of one.
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''Are there any cons though or is everyone pretty pleased with it? ''
No cons for me, only pros.
Pretty pleased with it.
If Gardiners had come up with this idea as standard from day one and then someone had come up with the idea of not going ''tubeless'', how would that have gone down?
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No cons for me either.
Apart from the fact Smurf doesn't use/need/want/see the point in it, but that in its self is no bad thing. ;D
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''Are there any cons though or is everyone pretty pleased with it? ''
No cons for me, only pros.
Pretty pleased with it.
If Gardiners had come up with this idea as standard from day one and then someone had come up with the idea of not going ''tubeless'', how would that have gone down?
Don't see what that has to do with it, as with most equipment if find a use for it then it doesn't matter what others think,
if you makes certain claims about it then you may be challenged about those claims.
The same will go for Gardiners equipment.
There are plenty who haven't went quick lock or swivel.
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
How do you rate the yellow cap , and where did you buy it?
I have found it excellent as I was always splitting my hose where it exited the pole. A real pain as I'd usually end up with a soaking wet leg before I realised what was going on.
Pure freedom sell them. They're more expensive than most but they outlast them so I don't mind the cost.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252019397725?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&var=550880475603&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Choose the size that nearest fits your pole diameter. If it's too loose use electrical tape to make the pole diameter bigger. One or two wraps was all it took for mine
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony
If I need to I fold the hose. You can slip a short piece of 20mm plumbing pipe over the folded hose if you need to to keep it closed off whilst not holding it.
I did buy the kit but was using a Univalve and found the Rectus often disconnected when using the Univalve at ground level. This is simpler and doesn't require 'O' clips and therefore makes maintenance easier. It also doesn't require a bung in the bottom of the top pole section. It works well with the yellow end caps from PF
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony
If I need to I fold the hose. You can slip a short piece of 20mm plumbing pipe over the folded hose if you need to to keep it closed off whilst not holding it.
I did buy the kit but was using a Univalve and found the Rectus often disconnected when using the Univalve at ground level. This is simpler and doesn't require 'O' clips and therefore makes maintenance easier. It also doesn't require a bung in the bottom of the top pole section. It works well with the yellow end caps from PF
Thank you.
Does this mean when you wind it in it all still connected? I always found that created the hose spaghetti effect. So to follow it through if you do disconnect to wind in the hose has to be kinked
It works well for you though. Tony
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony
If I need to I fold the hose. You can slip a short piece of 20mm plumbing pipe over the folded hose if you need to to keep it closed off whilst not holding it.
I did buy the kit but was using a Univalve and found the Rectus often disconnected when using the Univalve at ground level. This is simpler and doesn't require 'O' clips and therefore makes maintenance easier. It also doesn't require a bung in the bottom of the top pole section. It works well with the yellow end caps from PF
Thank you.
Does this mean when you wind it in it all still connected? I always found that created the hose spaghetti effect. So to follow it through if you do disconnect to wind in the hose has to be kinked
It works well for you though. Tony
You can either do that or turn your pump off. Another thing that occurs to me is that there is an 8mm JG bung available and Gardiner's do a JG end stop you use to shut the flow off.
When you wind in, disconnect pole first and this way any twists in the hose are allowed to come out, reducing the spaghetti effect. You really notice this benefit if you are hand coiling your PU hose as it's nearly impossible to coil up otherwise.
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
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If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/tubeless_01.jpg)
yes works a treat jg connector is all you need. tubeless kits are a rip off.
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?
I agree, but think there was one who had and didn't like it.
Whilst the diy works for those that have done it, its very different to the exceed or Phoenix is it from WCW that is the same.
Tony
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?
Good point , Iv just re read everyone's posts , smurf and Sean doesn't see the point in it , Dave f went back to aqua dapta which I don't understand what that's got to do with tubeless ???
Everyone else who's replied loves it , anyone else ?
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I will say that the kit is not so easy to fit if you are using Gardiner's gooseneck valve, though it can be done.
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Big thumbs up from me...
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?
Good point , Iv just re read everyone's posts , smurf and Sean doesn't see the point in it , Dave f went back to aqua dapta which I don't understand what that's got to do with tubeless ???
Everyone else who's replied loves it , anyone else ?
That's it in a nutshell mate, even though I don't think its a problem solver for most some may think its the best thing since
sliced bread, its certainly not a must have.
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?
Yes , i bought one and thought it was a waste of money , i just leave pole connected and wind pole hose onto reel .
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A few mixed opinions then :-\
Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?
Yes , i bought one and thought it was a waste of money , i just leave pole connected and wind pole hose onto reel .
Why ?
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I bought a kit a while ago after I'd already made my own diy hoseless pole from the instructions floating about and to be honest I went back to the diy kit!
Save your money go b&q,screwfix etc and buy a 22mm pushfit fitting for central hearing plastic piping,put the male rectus and hose through and secure it in the centre of the 22mm push fit, I actually used a piece of Gardiner minibore hose glued it all together and it fits snug in the centre of the pushfit then wrap the outside of the push fit in elec tape and fit inside the pole.
On the hose side I just used the black plastic barb fitting that comes on the Gardiner pole hose and it fits snug into the reel hose and jubilee clamp to secure it, at the female rectus end make sure you use the clamps that you use pliers to close not jubilee clips as they just catch the inside of the pole with the bit that you screw to tighten!
I like mine in the fact that there's no messy hose hanging up and when u unplug and reel in it unkinks he hose every time, wouldn't say there's any time saving but just prefer it myself!
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I bought a kit a while ago after I'd already made my own diy hoseless pole from the instructions floating about and to be honest I went back to the diy kit!
Save your money go b&q,screwfix etc and buy a 22mm pushfit fitting for central hearing plastic piping,put the male rectus and hose through and secure it in the centre of the 22mm push fit, I actually used a piece of Gardiner minibore hose glued it all together and it fits snug in the centre of the pushfit then wrap the outside of the push fit in elec tape and fit inside the pole.
On the hose side I just used the black plastic barb fitting that comes on the Gardiner pole hose and it fits snug into the reel hose and jubilee clamp to secure it, at the female rectus end make sure you use the clamps that you use pliers to close not jubilee clips as they just catch the inside of the pole with the bit that you screw to tighten!
I like mine in the fact that there's no messy hose hanging up and when u unplug and reel in it unkinks he hose every time, wouldn't say there's any time saving but just prefer it myself!
I did the same prior to buying the kit for about 18 months.
The only difference with the kit is the ejector sleeve that protects the rectus female fitting on the reel/pole hose. Can be bought seperately , pricey for what it is - a bit of plastic, but guess its the tooling costs etc. of bringing something like this out.
I still haven't read any real cons to it tbh only people seeing no need for it and as such labelling it a waste of money.
I really like my set up and find it very useful but thats just me.
Shrek my advice would be only buy it if you think the advantages it provides are worth it to you.
The advantages to me
1 pole in van, sections added and removed easily as needed
easy repair / maintenance / cleaning of pole sections
tidy van / no tangled mess of pole hose
no dripping pole hose
longevity of connections greatly increased
easy to clean pole hose with a cloth each time its wound onto reel and prevents it getting twisted between jobs.
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I think it's a brilliant idea but my only issue is that the pole spacer adds length to the pole to allow for the sleeve injector. This is n't a big deal but in my case it means the difference between a CLX-22 fitting snugly in the back of my truck and not fitting at all.
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I think it's a brilliant idea but my only issue is that the pole spacer adds length to the pole to allow for the sleeve injector. This is n't a big deal but in my case it means the difference between a CLX-22 fitting snugly in the back of my truck and not fitting at all.
Yes ! that is one worthy con against it that I had overlooked. Thank you for reminding me.
Personally I did not want to use the spacer or stop tape for that reason and so cut the number 1 section a little shorter instead.
I can understand that many people will not want to this and invalidate a poles warranty, my pole is over 5 years old and as such was of no significant concern to me. Its a good point though and the only con I can think of.
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I bought tubeless kit along with uni valve and I love it.
No cons in my opinion
I've converted both vans and all poles earlier in the year, I've also purchased two electric reels and put 80 metres exceed pole hose on them, and I just love this set up,
IMHO best but kit since the extreme poles and brushes oh and additives sorry to bring up that controversial subject again
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I think it's a brilliant idea but my only issue is that the pole spacer adds length to the pole to allow for the sleeve injector. This is n't a big deal but in my case it means the difference between a CLX-22 fitting snugly in the back of my truck and not fitting at all.
You don't have to use a spacer. Just remember not to collapse the pole completely when using it and when you store it collapse it completely. Either that or make a removable spacer.
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Or if your using a pole that clamps whole way along just cut the section the tubless kit goes on at the base of pole, curb if the length of spacer from the top at the base,
Just Remeber the opening stop marker will not be there, pole will be few inches shorter but will be same size as oringinal pole