[M & C Window Cleaning]

If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.

How do you rate the yellow cap , and where did you buy it?

I have found it excellent as I was always splitting my hose where it exited the pole. A real pain as I'd usually end up with a soaking wet leg before I realised what was going on.
Pure freedom sell them. They're more expensive than most but they outlast them so I don't mind the cost.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252019397725?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&var=550880475603&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Choose the size that nearest fits your pole diameter. If it's too loose use electrical tape to make the pole diameter bigger. One or two wraps was all it took for mine

[M & C Window Cleaning]

If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.

How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony

If I need to I fold the hose. You can slip a short piece of 20mm plumbing pipe over the folded hose if you need to to keep it closed off whilst not holding it.
I did buy the kit but was using a Univalve and found the Rectus often disconnected when using the Univalve at ground level. This is simpler and doesn't require 'O' clips and therefore makes maintenance easier. It also doesn't require a bung in the bottom of the top pole section. It works well with the yellow end caps from PF

[tlwcs]

If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.

How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony

If I need to I fold the hose. You can slip a short piece of 20mm plumbing pipe over the folded hose if you need to to keep it closed off whilst not holding it.
I did buy the kit but was using a Univalve and found the Rectus often disconnected when using the Univalve at ground level. This is simpler and doesn't require 'O' clips and therefore makes maintenance easier. It also doesn't require a bung in the bottom of the top pole section. It works well with the yellow end caps from PF

Thank you.
Does this mean when you wind it in it all still connected? I always found that created the hose spaghetti effect. So to follow it through if you do disconnect to wind in the hose has to be kinked
It works well for you though. Tony

[M & C Window Cleaning]

If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.

How do you stop the water flowing when you disconnect?
The female retus in the kit stops the flow.
Tony

If I need to I fold the hose. You can slip a short piece of 20mm plumbing pipe over the folded hose if you need to to keep it closed off whilst not holding it.
I did buy the kit but was using a Univalve and found the Rectus often disconnected when using the Univalve at ground level. This is simpler and doesn't require 'O' clips and therefore makes maintenance easier. It also doesn't require a bung in the bottom of the top pole section. It works well with the yellow end caps from PF

Thank you.
Does this mean when you wind it in it all still connected? I always found that created the hose spaghetti effect. So to follow it through if you do disconnect to wind in the hose has to be kinked
It works well for you though. Tony

You can either do that or turn your pump off. Another thing that occurs to me is that there is an 8mm JG bung available and Gardiner's do a JG end stop you use to shut the flow off.
When you wind in, disconnect pole first and this way any twists in the hose are allowed to come out, reducing the spaghetti effect. You really notice this benefit if you are hand coiling your PU hose as it's nearly impossible to coil up otherwise.

[Shrek]

A few mixed opinions then   

[wfp master]

If you want to try the tubeless concept without spending a lot just use a JG fitting a the bottom of your pole. No need for a bung in the bottom of the top section. If you're using reinforced pole hose you'll need the barbed JG hosetails as well, if you're using PU hose just cut it 2 inches from the bottom of your closed pole and fit a JG connector.

yes works a treat jg connector is all you need. tubeless kits are a rip off.

[richard groves]

A few mixed opinions then 

Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?

[tlwcs]

A few mixed opinions then 

Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?

I agree, but think there was one who had and didn't like it.
Whilst the diy works for those that have done it, its very different to the exceed or Phoenix is it from  WCW that is the same.
Tony

[Shrek]

A few mixed opinions then 

Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?

Good point , Iv just re read everyone's posts , smurf and Sean doesn't see the point in it , Dave f went back to aqua dapta  which I don't understand what that's got to do with tubeless    
Everyone else who's replied loves it , anyone else ?

[M & C Window Cleaning]

I will say that the kit is not so easy to fit if you are using Gardiner's gooseneck valve, though it can be done. 

[andi wilson]

Big thumbs up from me...

[SeanK]

A few mixed opinions then 

Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?

Good point , Iv just re read everyone's posts , smurf and Sean doesn't see the point in it , Dave f went back to aqua dapta  which I don't understand what that's got to do with tubeless    
Everyone else who's replied loves it , anyone else ?

That's it in a nutshell mate, even though I don't think its a problem solver for most some may think its the best thing since
sliced bread, its certainly not a must have.

[robert mitchell]

A few mixed opinions then 

Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?

Yes , i bought one and thought it was a waste of money , i just leave pole connected and wind pole hose onto reel .

[richard groves]

A few mixed opinions then 

Not really, the people who don't like it appear to be people you have not tried it or see it as pointless.
Has anybody reading this bought one and not liked it ?

Yes , i bought one and thought it was a waste of money , i just leave pole connected and wind pole hose onto reel .

Why ?

[mufcglen]

I bought a kit a while ago after I'd already made my own diy hoseless pole from the instructions floating about and to be honest I went back to the diy kit!
Save your money go b&q,screwfix etc and buy a 22mm pushfit fitting for central hearing plastic piping,put the male rectus and hose through and secure it in the centre of the 22mm push fit, I actually used a piece of Gardiner minibore hose glued it all together and it fits snug in the centre of the pushfit then wrap the outside of the push fit in elec tape and fit inside the pole.
On the hose side I just used the black plastic barb fitting that comes on the Gardiner pole hose and it fits snug into the reel hose and jubilee clamp to secure it, at the female rectus end make sure you use the clamps that you use pliers to close not jubilee clips as they just catch the inside of the pole with the bit that you screw to tighten!
I like mine in the fact that there's no messy hose hanging up and when u unplug and reel in it unkinks he hose every time, wouldn't say there's any time saving but just prefer it myself!

[richard groves]

I bought a kit a while ago after I'd already made my own diy hoseless pole from the instructions floating about and to be honest I went back to the diy kit!
Save your money go b&q,screwfix etc and buy a 22mm pushfit fitting for central hearing plastic piping,put the male rectus and hose through and secure it in the centre of the 22mm push fit, I actually used a piece of Gardiner minibore hose glued it all together and it fits snug in the centre of the pushfit then wrap the outside of the push fit in elec tape and fit inside the pole.
On the hose side I just used the black plastic barb fitting that comes on the Gardiner pole hose and it fits snug into the reel hose and jubilee clamp to secure it, at the female rectus end make sure you use the clamps that you use pliers to close not jubilee clips as they just catch the inside of the pole with the bit that you screw to tighten!
I like mine in the fact that there's no messy hose hanging up and when u unplug and reel in it unkinks he hose every time, wouldn't say there's any time saving but just prefer it myself!

I did the same prior to buying the kit for about 18 months.
The only difference with the kit is the ejector sleeve that protects the rectus female fitting on the reel/pole hose. Can be bought seperately , pricey for what it is - a bit of plastic, but guess its the tooling costs etc. of bringing something like this out.
I still haven't read any real cons to it tbh only people seeing no need for it and as such labelling it a waste of money.
I really like my set up and find it very useful but thats just me.
Shrek my advice would be only buy it if you think the advantages it provides are worth it to you.

The advantages to me

1 pole in van, sections added and removed easily as needed

easy repair / maintenance / cleaning of pole sections

tidy van / no tangled mess of pole hose

no dripping pole hose

longevity of connections greatly increased

easy to clean pole hose with a cloth each time its wound onto reel and prevents it getting twisted between jobs.

[EandM]

I think it's a brilliant idea but my only issue is that the pole spacer adds length to the pole to allow for the sleeve injector. This is n't a big deal but in my case it means the difference between a CLX-22 fitting snugly in the back of my truck and not fitting at all.

[richard groves]

I think it's a brilliant idea but my only issue is that the pole spacer adds length to the pole to allow for the sleeve injector. This is n't a big deal but in my case it means the difference between a CLX-22 fitting snugly in the back of my truck and not fitting at all.

Yes ! that is one worthy con against it that I had overlooked. Thank you for reminding me.
Personally I did not want to use the spacer or stop tape for that reason and so cut the number 1 section a little shorter instead.
I can understand that many people will not want to this and invalidate a poles warranty, my pole is over 5 years old and as such was of no significant concern to me. Its a good point though and  the only con I can think of.

[Tony dunmall]

I bought tubeless kit along with uni valve and I love it.

No cons in my opinion

I've converted both vans and all poles earlier in the year, I've also purchased two electric reels and put 80 metres exceed pole hose on them, and I just  love this set up,

IMHO best but kit since the extreme poles and brushes oh and additives sorry to bring up that controversial subject  again

[M & C Window Cleaning]

I think it's a brilliant idea but my only issue is that the pole spacer adds length to the pole to allow for the sleeve injector. This is n't a big deal but in my case it means the difference between a CLX-22 fitting snugly in the back of my truck and not fitting at all.

You don't have to use a spacer. Just remember not to collapse the pole completely when using it and when you store it collapse it completely. Either that or make a removable spacer.