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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ascjim on August 10, 2016, 05:13:13 pm
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Domestic window cleaning round only. Monthly income £5000.00, can be done in 20 days.
Add-ons like gutter and pressure washing will come back to us and won't be done by the franchisee.
25% Royalty costs. This includes marketing and handling and processing phone calls. Plus Cleaner Planner.
When we quote our gutter cleaning jobs, we include a regular window cleaning price, which goes back to the franchisee (effectively free quoting).
With no van. But will offer the van fully kitted out and kit at a arranged additional cost.
Any ball park figures?
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10k?
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12-15k
Thats a decent franchise earning someone 52k a year after paying you your royalty.
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It's very much up to you. If you can wait you can set a higher price. If you need someone soon you need to set the price lower.
However, as a general point, I'd say that if you're charging 25%, which I'd consider to be rather ambitious, you may want to set the price of the franchise lower. You'll then have more people interested and be able to pick and choose the right person. Additionally, a lower franchise fee keeps you honest; there's no incentive to start someone because of the money you'll make initially, so you focus much more on getting someone who'll keep the 25% rolling in (your long-term profit depends upon this so you want as little disruption as possible).
Our franchise fee was (within a couple of hundred quid) the cost of the equipment our guys started out with.
Whatever you do, be choosy.
Vin
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You could possibly split that to £2500 per franchisee and take on 2 instead of one
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You could possibly split that to £2500 per franchisee and take on 2 instead of one
This is what I would do james. No point in putting a newbie under pressure
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Why would they not be able to do any gutter cleans or pressure cleaning?
Surely they will look at that and think 'Why can't I earn extra money? It will help my cash flow. It will be something different to just window cleaning day in day out. Am I part of the same business or not?'
I also think splitting it into two would be better.
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I was hoping that one of my guys will take it on. That will leave me with 3 and I'll just keep them busy with Gutter, pressure and render cleaning and make the same money for less work.
You could possibly split that to £2500 per franchisee and take on 2 instead of one
I like this idea, definitely will be an option. Maybe I could split areas covered into postcodes.
Why would they not be able to do any gutter cleans or pressure cleaning?
Surely they will look at that and think 'Why can't I earn extra money? It will help my cash flow. It will be something different to just window cleaning day in day out. Am I part of the same business or not?'
I also think splitting it into two would be better.
They will be part of the business, just the domestic window cleaning side. The main business will take care of all gutter cleaning and add-ons, and we will pass all window cleaning over to the franchisees.
We do a lot of window and gutter cleans and 80% of the time the customer sets up a regular window clean, this will go straight to the franchisees, without them quoting or doing the first clean.
I've also had another idea. I am out all day quoting , maybe I could quote all there work (hoping to up sell) so they won't have to worry about it. All they have to do is clean. All work will be coming in from our site and our 15,000 leaflets a month that go out.
Any thoughts?
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Tricky one that as when the franchisees twig and if they are smart they will do very quickly that they can potentially earn more for less offering other services as well but are not allowed under the franchise contract then I don't think they will be very happy do you?
It just human nature for individuals to want to earn as much as they can in the shortest possible time and window cleaning as you soon twigged is not great compared to the profitability of others cleaning services.
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I was hoping that one of my guys will take it on. That will leave me with 3 and I'll just keep them busy with Gutter, pressure and render cleaning and make the same money for less work.
If you put yourself in the franchisee's shoes I suspect you might realise that this wouldn't lead to long term happiness.
Vin
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I was hoping that one of my guys will take it on. That will leave me with 3 and I'll just keep them busy with Gutter, pressure and render cleaning and make the same money for less work.
If you put yourself in the franchisee's shoes I suspect you might realise that this wouldn't lead to long term happiness.
Vin
Yeah your properly right when you put it like that, but then they would need to invest in a gutter vac also.
If they also can clear out gutters, then they will be our competition, and I don't want that.
I would franchise the gutters out as well, but then the franchisee would need to employ as there is so much of it.
I would be moving on from gutters anyway at some point.
Maybe I should just sell the round.
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Or, I could promote one of my guys to Window Cleaning Manager or something like that? Pay them a cut from the profits?
They deal with organising and planning the work, chasing payments and dealing with window cleaning calls (from our call centre) and we will do the rest?
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It might be an idea to sit down for a morning, work out what you want to happen then write down all the ways you can make it happen and the likely effects of all of those. None of us know anything about your business so we can't really advise you. In my experience once it's all written down the answer tends to be obvious.
Vin
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Just my opinion and I'm no expert but I think 25% is too much to ask for them to be happy long term .
Also , you should be quoting all the work you give them to save them that hassle .
For the franchisee to want to pay the royalty you need to make there life as simple as possible .
Just my thoughts .
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It might be an idea to sit down for a morning, work out what you want to happen then write down all the ways you can make it happen and the likely effects of all of those. None of us know anything about your business so we can't really advise you. In my experience once it's all written down the answer tends to be obvious.
Vin
Ideally I would like franchise it. But after everyone's comments that it may cause problems later on with them not allowed to do add-ons, as then they will be competing with us.
Eventually I will franchise the whole lot, maybe I should wait until I'm ready and get rid of the whole lot instead.
Looking after the window cleaning round has become a chore. 80% of my problems come from 20% of the work and having to do the window cleaning round is reducing our possible profit margin.
I think the only safe way atm is to offer a promotion to one of the guys. They will be employed and use all our equipment, fuel, insurances, call centre, etc. They will look after the rounds, organise, chase payments, book in jobs as they see fit. They can have any time off they want (as long as the work is getting done) and they will just concentrate on their part of the business and won't be asked to work with the other side.
Obviously, I'll still pay them their 28 days holiday, but if they want a morning off, they don't have to ask me (something like this anyway).
It gets the window cleaning out the way so I can concentrate on what i want.
Maybe 50/50 would be ok? The gu who currently does the work is on £9.00 ph, this will jump up to £16.00 ph.
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Just my opinion and I'm no expert but I think 25% is too much to ask for them to be happy long term .
Also , you should be quoting all the work you give them to save them that hassle .
For the franchisee to want to pay the royalty you need to make there life as simple as possible .
Just my thoughts .
Whilst I do agree to a certain extent, how come other franchise businesses don't?
For example a customer of mine brought a cleaning company franchise, yes you could argue that its a well known name but the margins he 'makes' and the amount of competition out there is insane.. And he has to get all his own customers and build it from scratch.. So I'm just wondering why it has to be different for a window cleaning franchise?
Tom
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Surely the idea is to Franchise the lot or not franchise at all? Can't see how you can franchise and employ at the same time, nightmare.
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Just my opinion and I'm no expert but I think 25% is too much to ask for them to be happy long term .
Also , you should be quoting all the work you give them to save them that hassle .
For the franchisee to want to pay the royalty you need to make there life as simple as possible .
Just my thoughts .
Whilst I do agree to a certain extent, how come other franchise businesses don't?
For example a customer of mine brought a cleaning company franchise, yes you could argue that its a well known name but the margins he 'makes' and the amount of competition out there is insane.. And he has to get all his own customers and build it from scratch.. So I'm just wondering why it has to be different for a window cleaning franchise?
Tom
You have already answered it in your reply , they are a well known company .
most franchises trade on a name that is very well known , advertised on tv/radio etc .......how many window cleaning companies have that?
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Surely the idea is to Franchise the lot or not franchise at all? Can't see how you can franchise and employ at the same time, nightmare.
Your right there mate!
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Ideally I would like franchise it. But after everyone's comments that it may cause problems later on with them not allowed to do add-ons, as then they will be competing with us.
But will they be competing with you??
If they do the work.. You don't have to, but you still get 25% of the job due to your franchise fee...
If you don't let them do the add ons maybe a real competitor will get the job and you will not make anything at all... Surely 25% is better than nowt?
then there will be incentive for you to quote more varied jobs without getting your own hands dirty, the franchisee will be getting more varied work, and more money, so will be more inclined to be happy, and work harder....
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Surely the idea is to Franchise the lot or not franchise at all? Can't see how you can franchise and employ at the same time, nightmare.
Your right there mate!
I can't see why there should be a problem. If you sell the franchise as a Window Cleaning Franchise and the franchisee is guaranteed as much window cleaning work as he can handle there is nothing wrong with that.
Take Servicemaster - they have a whole range of services on offer but they sell franchises in each of their brands, so some buy carpet cleaning franchises, some buy office cleaning franchises etc etc. The individual franchisees do not have the option to 'cross' into another area of work unless they also buy a franchise in that area.
So you specialise in gutter/soffit/fascia and other types of cleaning. As you've already said, your enquiries come from various sources including a regular leaflet drop. Then you do the initial clean and pass the window cleaning element on to the franchisee to start cleaning from the next due date. He's happy, he's got a new job but he doesn't have to do the hard graft of the initial clean.
With a (relatively) fixed customer base - the window cleaning round - the volume of 'add-ons' from regular established customers isn't going to be that many, how many time does the same customer want his gutters cleaning out? We find that lots of new customers ask for soffit/fascia/gutter cleans when we first take them on but rarely if ever repeat the request.. You could either require the franchisee to pass the extra job back to you, or allow him to do it provided it doesn't interfere with the work he is supposed to be doing. Our best franchisee turns over £1300-£1400 per week but still manages to do the odd gutter clearing or plastic cleaning job in his spare time.
Most franchising companies also have 'company owned' units which are run by employees.
A properly organised franchise will run itself with minimal input from the franchisor, leaving you free to run the 'employed' part of the business.
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Can a Franchisee have a helper or would that mean the second guy must pay to be a franchisee too? Or, can a franchisee employ?
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A franchise is a business in its own right, operating under the terms of a mutually agreed and accepted contract. Provided the Agreement doesn't specifically prohibit it there's nothing to prevent the franchisee taking on employees. Imagine if a McDonald franchisee wasn't allowed to employ!
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To make an informed decision about what to do with this work I would consider the following:
1. Net profit daily
2. Net profit per job (you'll need timing data to calculate this).
3. Average job value
4. Specific data on which customer are causing issues like: debt chasing, upsetting staff, 'Not Today's', 'surprise 'backs, front only and gate laddering.
5. 'Flake' value on the work ie. amount scheduled vs amount completed.
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It might be an idea to sit down for a morning, work out what you want to happen then write down all the ways you can make it happen and the likely effects of all of those. None of us know anything about your business so we can't really advise you. In my experience once it's all written down the answer tends to be obvious.
Vin
Ideally I would like franchise it. But after everyone's comments that it may cause problems later on with them not allowed to do add-ons, as then they will be competing with us.
Eventually I will franchise the whole lot, maybe I should wait until I'm ready and get rid of the whole lot instead.
Looking after the window cleaning round has become a chore. 80% of my problems come from 20% of the work and having to do the window cleaning round is reducing our possible profit margin.
I think the only safe way atm is to offer a promotion to one of the guys. They will be employed and use all our equipment, fuel, insurances, call centre, etc. They will look after the rounds, organise, chase payments, book in jobs as they see fit. They can have any time off they want (as long as the work is getting done) and they will just concentrate on their part of the business and won't be asked to work with the other side.
Obviously, I'll still pay them their 28 days holiday, but if they want a morning off, they don't have to ask me (something like this anyway).
It gets the window cleaning out the way so I can concentrate on what i want.
Maybe 50/50 would be ok? The gu who currently does the work is on £9.00 ph, this will jump up to £16.00 ph.
Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
Each van makes roughly the same each day whatever it does. That's more or less how I price. Works for me.
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
£6,500/7,000 for 2 days work? Doubt it.
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
Depends if you stain the render after you 'clean' it
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
£6,500/7,000 for 2 days work? Doubt it.
Are you talking gross turnover per van/man or total monthly turnover here 8weekly as there is a big difference?
Take the likes of rhino man business for instance as I'm sure he can hit those sorts of figures easily in a couple of days with the type of work he takes on.
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
£6,500/7,000 for 2 days work? Doubt it.
Are you talking gross turnover per van/man or total monthly turnover here 8weekly as there is a big difference?
Take the likes of rhino man business for instance as I'm sure he can hit those sorts of figures easily in a couple of days with the type of work he takes on.
One man/one van gross turnover. We aren't talking about Rhino though. He isn't really a domestic window cleaner is he? We do gutters/fascias and conservatory roofs and as I said, these are no more or less profitable than window cleaning.
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Wheres that blog video of you James Purewash where your stoned going on and on bigging yourself up? cant seem to find it anywhere, was a good laugh that 1.
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Might get mi popcorn, turning into a proper CIU classic this one!! ;D Line up naked with your tape measures!
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
£6,500/7,000 for 2 days work? Doubt it.
Are you talking gross turnover per van/man or total monthly turnover here 8weekly as there is a big difference?
Take the likes of rhino man business for instance as I'm sure he can hit those sorts of figures easily in a couple of days with the type of work he takes on.
One man/one van gross turnover. We aren't talking about Rhino though. He isn't really a domestic window cleaner is he? We do gutters/fascias and conservatory roofs and as I said, these are no more or less profitable than window cleaning.
The point I'm trying to get across is that the op wants to get rid of the domestic window cleaning side of his business and concentrate on the more profitable work which I don't blame him to be honest.
Regards to manpower people can only work physically so many hours in a month so looking at it as a business point of view the more the workers can generate per person per month without killing themselves the more net profit a business will make surely.
I think people that get into specialised cleaning such as rhino man and others will make a darn site more than any domestic window cleaner could ever dream of generating. That's even with the normal add-ons they may or may not want to do.
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I heard from a contracts manager for a facilities company that we work for Purple rhino done £13,000 worth of Doff cleaning in one weekend for them.
He would of made more cleaning windows.
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I heard from the daughter of the guy who's brother's wife's auntie married a black man that their second cousin's dog knows another dog who's owner charges 15K per window and he's chocka!
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Either I undercharge on the add ons or you don't charge enough for window cleaning. Either way, window cleaning is just as profitable (if not more so) than the other work.
How do you work that one out?
I guess you've not done for example the likes of any render cleaning yet then as is way more profitable ::)roll
You can easily earn a month on the glass in a couple of days render cleaning.
£6,500/7,000 for 2 days work? Doubt it.
Are you talking gross turnover per van/man or total monthly turnover here 8weekly as there is a big difference?
Take the likes of rhino man business for instance as I'm sure he can hit those sorts of figures easily in a couple of days with the type of work he takes on.
One man/one van gross turnover. We aren't talking about Rhino though. He isn't really a domestic window cleaner is he? We do gutters/fascias and conservatory roofs and as I said, these are no more or less profitable than window cleaning.
The point I'm trying to get across is that the op wants to get rid of the domestic window cleaning side of his business and concentrate on the more profitable work which I don't blame him to be honest.
Give up his regular contracted work to concentrate on one offs? Personally, I think that's mad.
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Really?
I know a chap personally that owns a firm that is now a very wealthy man all from doing so say one-off add-hoc work.
I'm also betting the likes of Kev on here is not short of a few bob either going by how much he charges to do specialist floor restoration work.
You don't have to be brain of Britain to work out what makes the most profit in this industry and domestic window cleaning is not one of them compared to other specialist work. Look at rhino man for instance and the firm he has built from nothing in a very short time compared to the likes of jo blogs the domestic window cleaner which has been working his socks off for donkey years.
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Getting back to what the OP was talking about: Franchising is much more about lifestyle than high profits. I've no doubt that Purple Rhino etc are making fantastic money with their 'one-off' style of working, but that needs very high marketing input and constant management to maintain the level of top paying jobs and the quality of work to achieve the best profit from each individual job.
If James were to franchise his window cleaning then obviously he would not achieve the same profit that he would by being 'hands on' and paying employees, but when each franchise is 'full' there is a reliable income stream for very little input.
Comparing franchising with high-end one-offs isn't the point, it's about not having to spend hours on end on marketing, admin (tax/ni deducting, vehicle maintenance, record keeping, allocating and managing daily workloads, invoicing, accounting, insurance, etc etc.) but providing franchise owners with the wherewithal to run a regular lucrative business of their own and paying a 'royalty' to the franchisor.
A properly organised franchise business will provide the franchisor with a very good income (keep appointing more franchisees till the desired level of income is achieved) with minimal admin requirement on the part of the franchisor, leaving him free to follow whatever other business activities he wants.
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I understand how franchising works Ian but still what is the point of franchising a service if the person in question unlike yourself has no passion or inclination of wanting to take on more franchises ?
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Really?
I know a chap personally that owns a firm that is now a very wealthy man all from doing so say one-off add-hoc work.
I'm also betting the likes of Kev on here is not short of a few bob either going by how much he charges to do specialist floor restoration work.
You don't have to be brain of Britain to work out what makes the most profit in this industry and domestic window cleaning is not one of them compared to other specialist work. Look at rhino man for instance and the firm he has built from nothing in a very short time compared to the likes of jo blogs the domestic window cleaner which has been working his socks off for donkey years.
It depends what you want to achieve. If you are on your own and can pick and choose then price high and do minimal work. If you are running a professional setup that employs then I would say that regular customers provide a bedrock upon which you can plan. I *know* that there will be £x,000 turnover because it's already booked in. I can't plan based upon one off type jobs as I've no idea how many I will have, how much they will be worth and when they will need to be done.
If your regular work is well priced, one van with one man will comfortably do £350 every day. That's very profitable even paying a high salary for the industry. And assuming no nuclear war, it's guaranteed.
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£350 a day...........??? Comfortably? Every day?
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£350 a day...........??? Comfortably? Every day?
If it's well priced yes. It's 13 houses on average a day.
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£350 a day...........??? Comfortably? Every day?
If it's well priced yes. It's 13 houses on average a day.
Think iv underpriced all my work :-[
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8weekly, you need to up your prices! £350 a day is so last year...get with the times man.
Hat off pal, you are proof that 8 weekly regular work does pay off. Are you full up to the brim now with both vans? I too want to get back to the max with domestics as have had it with all the contract and commercial at all hours of the day and weekends that we do, am slowly getting there but a way off having a regular very profitable mon-fri domestic round.
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I must admit that's some going 8weekly as most will never come close to what you have achieved turnover wise so far per man/van just from domestic window cleaning. Well done mucker.
Still having to be that committed to the drudgery of all that work day after day would do my head in and I'm sure I would not be physically able to cope with it all either.
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8weekly, you need to up your prices! £350 a day is so last year...get with the times man.
Hat off pal, you are proof that 8 weekly regular work does pay off. Are you full up to the brim now with both vans? I too want to get back to the max with domestics as have had it with all the contract and commercial at all hours of the day and weekends that we do, am slowly getting there but a way off having a regular very profitable mon-fri domestic round.
Yes, totally full. Can't keep up. but I'm not on the tools any more. Hopefully a new guy starting in a few weeks to work out of one of the vans until we've enough work for a third van..
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I must admit that's some going 8weekly as most will never come close to what you have achieved turnover wise so far per man/van just from domestic window cleaning. Well done mucker.
Still having to be that committed to the drudgery of all that work day after day would do my head in and I'm sure I would not be physically able to cope with it all either.
If I stayed on my own, I would do a lot different to be honest. It's horses for courses.
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I'm knackered after a 'hard day' cleaning. Dread to think what it would be like day in day out.
If I was younger though......
What sort of hours are you doing to make £350?
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No more than 7. Usually 9-3.30/4
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Nice.
I'll start upping my prices then.
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260 customers at 27 squid on a 8 weekly frequency cleaned within 4 week of each = 13 houses a day 5 days a week which takes some doing Og methinks.
Still now I'm wondering what a cleaner does the following 4 week after those have been done? ::)roll
Needs to take a holiday I suppose as I know I would need to ;D ;D
Sorry 8weekly but after going by what you have said the maths really don't add up.
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260 customers at 27 squid on a 8 weekly frequency cleaned within 4 week of each = 13 houses a day 5 days a week which takes some doing Og methinks.
Still now I'm wondering what a cleaner does the following 4 week after those have been done? ::)roll
Needs to take a holiday I suppose as I know I would need to ;D ;D
Sorry 8weekly but after going by what you have said the maths really don't add up.
Not sure where you got your figures from, as we have just under 4 times the number of customers you quote. I don't bs although one or two on here think I do.
Next time you are in Newbury feel free to pop along.
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8 weekly has been in the game many years, he like me reads between the lines of the bs'ers on here and has a laugh with them making them bite, never does he bite or get proved wrong.He has done really well and has been very open on how he does things to help others, takes time and graft to build what he has even though i think he could have saved years by canvassing instead leaflets but either way he now doesn't have to pick up a pole that squirts water to earn a living like all us others have to do which is truly respectable. ill stop arse licking now ;D
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Sorry 8weekly I was not implying you do but still to be stacked out with work like that how on earth do you cope with it all as must be a real nightmare to manage.
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8 weekly has been in the game many years, he like me reads between the lines of the bs'ers on here and has a laugh with them making them bite, never does he bite or get proved wrong.He has done really well and has been very open on how he does things to help others, takes time and graft to build what he has even though i think he could have saved years by canvassing instead leaflets but either way he now doesn't have to pick up a pole that squirts water to earn a living like all us others have to do which is truly respectable. ill stop arse licking now ;D
Maybe some people are just easily fooled,( lol), for instance on a good day I can knock out £200 worth of work that don't mean
I have a turnover of £52k a year, BS er's deluded call them what you like but their maths very rarely add up.
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Sean, your 'good day' of £200 is someone else's very average day. Perhaps 8 weekly has given you his very average day. His good days could be £400-£600 you never know.
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I priced up a relatively small bungalow at £30 monthly the other week and got the job no problem. The lady had just moved from Newbury and said how expensive things were there. Reckon it was one of 8 weekly's ex customers 😉
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8 weekly has been in the game many years, he like me reads between the lines of the bs'ers on here and has a laugh with them making them bite, never does he bite or get proved wrong.He has done really well and has been very open on how he does things to help others, takes time and graft to build what he has even though i think he could have saved years by canvassing instead leaflets but either way he now doesn't have to pick up a pole that squirts water to earn a living like all us others have to do which is truly respectable. ill stop arse licking now ;D
Maybe some people are just easily fooled,( lol), for instance on a good day I can knock out £200 worth of work that don't mean
I have a turnover of £52k a year, BS er's deluded call them what you like but their maths very rarely add up.
If you worked for me you'd be sacked at those levels. ;D
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There's a lot to be said for working quickly. I just can't be bothered. Chatting to customers slows me down too.
8 weekly, how much time is spent driving between jobs? How long has it taken you to 'sculpt' the round?
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Sean, your 'good day' of £200 is someone else's very average day. Perhaps 8 weekly has given you his very average day. His good days could be £400-£600 you never know.
I understand what your saying but he did state one man doing £350 a day, but your right to get the one man turnover that 8weekly
has stated in the past a good day would need to be a least £600 a day with more good days than bad. lol.
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Sean, your 'good day' of £200 is someone else's very average day. Perhaps 8 weekly has given you his very average day. His good days could be £400-£600 you never know.
I understand what your saying but he did state one man doing £350 a day, but your right to get the one man turnover that 8weekly
has stated in the past a good day would need to be a least £600 a day with more good days than bad. lol.
Not really, we work in the rain, so there's never a need to catch up. You don't work in the rain do you as your customers might not like it. ;)
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Round this neck of the woods and 8 weekly's patch £350 a day is easily achievable one guy working 9-3:30. It takes time and effort to get the round sorted at that level so its regular, but thats what running your own business is all about.
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Tell u what mate I have a franchise with something else at the moment and if they said oh u can't do this or that cause we are doing so we can have the lions share I would hand them the keys to the van and have my lawyer deal with it nobody in their right mind would do what your proposing they would see it a mile off doesn't matter how much u explain to them that your getting the work for them signing up for a franchise means that someone has just ironed out all the problems so u don't have to worry about it that's y u pay a royalty fee to them!!!!!!
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I would defo go tell em to do one too ;D
What happens all the time is "can you give me a price to do blaa blaa also. Then you have to say reluctantly "NOPE I can't"
How long will that last I wonder before you get rather peed off with Mr. cherry pickers franchise? Not long I'm betting.
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Tell u what mate I have a franchise with something else at the moment and if they said oh u can't do this or that cause we are doing so we can have the lions share I would hand them the keys to the van and have my lawyer deal with it nobody in their right mind would do what your proposing they would see it a mile off doesn't matter how much u explain to them that your getting the work for them signing up for a franchise means that someone has just ironed out all the problems so u don't have to worry about it that's y u pay a royalty fee to them!!!!!!
Unfortunately Jason the fact that there are people who are prepared to put up with franchising (in window cleaning) is proof
that there are people who will put up with anything.
From what Iv read from franchisers on here is they operate in affluent areas where people pay well, there's plenty of work and they don't have much if anything in the way of competition, now if you cant build a round in an area like that without the need for somebody to hold your hand, well I wont say anymore encase I insult. lol.
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I would defo go tell em to do one too ;D
What happens all the time is "can you give me a price to do blaa blaa also. Then you have to say reluctantly "NOPE I can't"
How long will that last I wonder before you get rather peed off with Mr. cherry pickers franchise? Not long I'm betting.
From what I have read, you will have the franchisers name and contact details on your vehicle so most enquiries will go to them
anyway.
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Tell u what mate I have a franchise with something else at the moment and if they said oh u can't do this or that cause we are doing so we can have the lions share I would hand them the keys to the van and have my lawyer deal with it nobody in their right mind would do what your proposing they would see it a mile off doesn't matter how much u explain to them that your getting the work for them signing up for a franchise means that someone has just ironed out all the problems so u don't have to worry about it that's y u pay a royalty fee to them!!!!!!
Unfortunately Jason the fact that there are people who are prepared to put up with franchising (in window cleaning) is proof
that there are people who will put up with anything.
From what Iv read from franchisers on here is they operate in affluent areas where people pay well, there's plenty of work and they don't have much if anything in the way of competition, now if you cant build a round in an area like that without the need for somebody to hold your hand, well I wont say anymore encase I insult. lol.
You're a very bitter man Sean.
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Tell u what mate I have a franchise with something else at the moment and if they said oh u can't do this or that cause we are doing so we can have the lions share I would hand them the keys to the van and have my lawyer deal with it nobody in their right mind would do what your proposing they would see it a mile off doesn't matter how much u explain to them that your getting the work for them signing up for a franchise means that someone has just ironed out all the problems so u don't have to worry about it that's y u pay a royalty fee to them!!!!!!
Unfortunately Jason the fact that there are people who are prepared to put up with franchising (in window cleaning) is proof
that there are people who will put up with anything.
From what Iv read from franchisers on here is they operate in affluent areas where people pay well, there's plenty of work and they don't have much if anything in the way of competition, now if you cant build a round in an area like that without the need for somebody to hold your hand, well I wont say anymore encase I insult. lol.
You're a very bitter man Sean.
I was replying to Jason's quote that nobody in their right mind would put up with it by giving an example of what people will
put up with, its no more bitter than if Id had a go about somebody buying a used pole at more than its new price on fleebay.
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I would defo go tell em to do one too ;D
What happens all the time is "can you give me a price to do blaa blaa also. Then you have to say reluctantly "NOPE I can't"
How long will that last I wonder before you get rather peed off with Mr. cherry pickers franchise? Not long I'm betting.
From what I have read, you will have the franchisers name and contact details on your vehicle so most enquiries will go to them
anyway.
Just because you would drive around in a branded van that you even had to buy yourself in most cases you still run your own business don't you? Or are you just a glorified subby being screwed over all the time with no say at all how you want to run your own business???
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The problematic area in trying to franchise I see is who is stopping the franchisee from gaining and taking on his/her own new work, add-on's and even offering new services etc that the franchiser is unaware of? For obvious reasons they don't really want to tell the franchiser either as would still expect a cut for doing bugger all.
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Agree with what Smurf said, you can't stop them from doing things that you don't know about, I used to be involved with a franchised business and the things franchisees got up too behind your back you wouldn't believe!!
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The problematic area in trying to franchise I see is who is stopping the franchisee from gaining and taking on his/her own new work, add-on's and even offering new services etc that the franchiser is unaware of? For obvious reasons they don't really want to tell the franchiser either as would still expect a cut for doing bugger all.
Don't exactly the same things happen when you're employing?
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The problematic area in trying to franchise I see is who is stopping the franchisee from gaining and taking on his/her own new work, add-on's and even offering new services etc that the franchiser is unaware of? For obvious reasons they don't really want to tell the franchiser either as would still expect a cut for doing bugger all.
Don't exactly the same things happen when you're employing?
Of course. You do have more control over an employee though. If you start having disaplinary meetings with a franchisee they are not really a franchisee. Also, it's much easier to replace an employee if you catch them doing something that you're not happy with.
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Franchising is great route to take. The problem that I see on here is a complete lack of understanding on what franchising is.
I can see no difference between drain cleaning and window cleaning, Dyno-0Rod sold for £49 million.
I read the posts from Franchisors and I always assume that they are misleading you, I am beginning to wonder.
I spent a lot of money on personal one to one advice from a major Franchise adviser (£15,000).
As for this concept of "doing work on the side", walk ups?? and ownership of the work.......I have never heard of anything so ridiculous!!!!
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8 weekly has been in the game many years,
he hasnt been in it that long nick ;) ;) ;)
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8 weekly has been in the game many years,
he hasnt been in it that long nick ;) ;) ;)
Long enough.