Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H MAN on March 26, 2016, 03:36:02 am
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Noticed that there seems to be a fair amount of people here (forum) and generally in UK that are not a fan or Reach It poles brushes etc.
Is it the product or the person sell it or both??
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Gardiners are hard to compete with when it comes to poles both on quality and price, personally I don't even look elsewhere now
when it comes to changing my poles.
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As said gardiners are hard to beat, with great customer service and support you get customer loyalty not everything is down to price, especially when all other poles seem to be more expensive than gardiners yet not the same quality.
I've heard a fair bit about reach it on forums - but their website seems non existent so for me I discount them on the lack of knowing prices, weights, quality and even if they supply in the uk
Darran
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Yes I agree with the above,I think Gardener poles are the best so why go elsewhere,I wouldn't even try others now,I had Ionics ,Brodex just to name just a few but are rubbish compared to Gardener poles ,I truly wouldn't use any other poles now .
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Noticed that there seems to be a fair amount of people here (forum) and generally in UK that are not a fan or Reach It poles brushes etc.
Is it the product or the person sell it or both??
Why are you asking?
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One look at their constructor brush has put me off for life!! ;D
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They weigh a tonne... huge clamps...
Inferior carbon... massive diameter on Base sections & more expensive than other better vaue & quality poles..
And not just Gardiners.. several brands I would buy before Reach It.
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When I switched over in june last year I was very much looking into reach it. They do supply over in uk. I was looking at the reach it mini as it wojld have suited my needs. Liked the idea of the sleeve and rino clamps to stop any spinning. However the price of those things compared to others is unbelievably. I weny with facelift in end but next pole will be a gardiner. Alot of people I know use them and price is very competative.
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When I switched over in june last year I was very much looking into reach it. They do supply over in uk. I was looking at the reach it mini as it wojld have suited my needs. Liked the idea of the sleeve and rino clamps to stop any spinning. However the price of those things compared to others is unbelievably. I weny with facelift in end but next pole will be a gardiner. Alot of people I know use them and price is very competative.
I got my hands on a 2nd hand carbon reach it recently with those rhino clamps.. it was a 26ft pole made up of about 5 sections but those awful rhino clamps added about 18 inches to the closed length & the way they interlock means the Base section clamp is massive! So much unnecessary weight. Really didn't like it at all.
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You get what you pay for but in Reach-it case it seems not a lot
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You get what you pay for but in Reach-it case it seems not a lot
Smurf; not true.
You get lots and lots of confusion. ;D
Here's the reason why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIg80xUqcUI&feature=youtu.be
As was stated on a similar post in Dec 2015
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=200017.msg1753492#msg1753492
Number 23 says we should wait for section H as that is going to be a game changer. ;D
Seriously, the YouTube video PT put up is the reason why we will go to Gardiners every time.
That man is his own worst enemy. Who would even consider that pole after watching that video.
He's not a window cleaner and has clearly never cleaned windows in his life. How can he design something for a market he clearly has no hands-on experience in?
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for me its the con man behind it all perry is a con man its that simple he is a very good sales man and thats about it realy poles are cxxxxrap, heavy ,clamp points brake easy ,flawed design if im honest, perry has some vids that realy are laffable like the pole wip test, the sord fight test, the the doctor talking about the strain on the body ::)roll a wile back he was paying people with free poles brushes to keep stum about his equement that was dung , getting them to put good feed back on fb to help his sales ,just look at his new constructor brush what a joke that is lol and the price dont even get me started ;D
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for me its the con man behind it all perry is a con man its that simple he is a very good sales man and thats about it realy poles are cxxxxrap, heavy ,clamp points brake easy ,flawed design if im honest, perry has some vids that realy are laffable like the pole wip test, the sord fight test, the the doctor talking about the strain on the body ::)roll a wile back he was paying people with free poles brushes to keep stum about his equement that was dung , getting them to put good feed back on fb to help his sales ,just look at his new constructor brush what a joke that is lol and the price dont even get me started ;D
So you saying that Perry is a sort of scam artist?
Do agree he is a very good salesman.
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H Man can I ask why did you start this thread in the first place. By any chance did you get given some freebie gear from Perry ?
If so are you going to also wear the reach-it t-shirt on your vid reviews like wagga. Job done!....Unbias reviews my arse... ;D
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Google him (as I'm sure you have) and you'll find he has history. Whether it should concern us I'm not sure. However, as Alex comes from a window cleaning background and still does occasionally I know where my money goes.
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To add from what I said already I don't think Perry give a fig of a little island in the middle of nowhere called the UK when he can sell his poles and other products including training packages to gullible yanks that don't know no any better. ;D
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H Man can I ask why did you start this thread in the first place. By any chance did you get given some freebie gear from Perry ?
If so are you going to also wear the reach-it t-shirt on your vid reviews like wagga. Job done!....Unbias reviews my arse... ;D
HA HA HA ha ha :o First do not give reviews on any products for rewards freebies.
Think most manufactures probable will not even give me try new products as believe we tell it like it is .
And tell people how you might want to modify it as you would of seen in the many videos we have done.
Oh the only one that was sort of promoted was the Quick- LoQ.
Why because felt it was something long time coming .
And use it every day with all my tools.
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OH one other thing I DON'T KISS AR$E. ;)
That's probable why still have to work!! ;D
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H Man can I ask why did you start this thread in the first place. By any chance did you get given some freebie gear from Perry ?
If so are you going to also wear the reach-it t-shirt on your vid reviews like wagga. Job done!....Unbias reviews my arse... ;D
HA HA HA ha ha :o First do not give reviews on any products for rewards freebies.
Think most manufactures probable will not even give me try new products as believe we tell it like it is .
And tell people how you might want to modify it as you would of seen in the many videos we have done.
Oh the only one that was sort of promoted was the Quick- LoQ.
Why because felt it was something long time coming .
And use it every day with all my tools.
OH one other thing I DON'T KISS AR$E. ;)
That's probable why still have to work!! ;D
It was a joke H-Man but you never know ;D
Seriously why did you ask about reach-it ?
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It's right I knew it was a joke???? LOL ;D
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
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So you saying that Perry is a sort of scam artist?
Thats a great question H. I doubt anyone would come out and say that outright, but Perry himself knows he has "detractors", as mentioned in his own site, made for people who want to "google him"............
http://www.perrytait.com/Perry_Tait.html
Who would make a site for such ? I can only think someone with a lot of negative comments, trying to put a positive spin on things? After all it good to check out who you are dealing with isn't it ? I've tried a reach it pole i think Richard Everingham demonstrated it. I didn't rate it at all.
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/109381/disgraced_reseller_back_business/
Couldn't care less about him, certainley wouldn't buy his stuff. I advise others not to buy his gear, not because of him, but because its not good on price , quality or being up to the job.
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
No Smurf, In fact had actually bought a carbon fibre pole/poles off him long time back when he was in Australia.
Met up with him at a Mc Donald's car park where we checked out the poles.
And discovered much later from a friend was common for him to do this.
Most people would put some sort of deposit down to pay full amount later.
However because it was very hard to get any sort of carbon fibre poles at the time in Australia.
Had paid him there and then for the poles and a setup.
This I believe was the last sale he had made in Australia as just bought his demo poles and set up.
The poles use still today no problems.
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
No Smurf, In fact had actually bought a carbon fibre pole/poles off him long time back when he was in Australia.
Met up with him at a Mc Donald's car park where we checked out the poles.
And discovered much later from a friend was common for him to do this.
This is no you have no address to return it to.
The blokes a comedy genius, love the vid
Tony
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Noticed that there seems to be a fair amount of people here (forum) and generally in UK that are not a fan or Reach It poles brushes etc.
Is it the product or the person sell it or both??
3 reasons for me.
Difficult to locate (no obvious uk supplier).
Expensive.
Gardiners.
I don't really care that in the 90s he appears to have made a bit of a mess, leaving lots of people out of pocket and himself in hot water with Microsoft. It appears he is at least trying to be innovative which is always good in my opinion.
Also, as pointed out by others, the man is hilarious. Have you read the Perry Tait .com page? Seriously? WTF?
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for me its the con man behind it all perry is a con man its that simple he is a very good sales man and thats about it realy poles are cxxxxrap, heavy ,clamp points brake easy ,flawed design if im honest, perry has some vids that realy are laffable like the pole wip test, the sord fight test, the the doctor talking about the strain on the body ::)roll a wile back he was paying people with free poles brushes to keep stum about his equement that was dung , getting them to put good feed back on fb to help his sales ,just look at his new constructor brush what a joke that is lol and the price dont even get me started ;D
yes ,u wont catch me wering the the reach it t shurt like wagger ect ;D he lost a lot of respect after that vid from me and lots others like i said above he sells people stuff then when it brakes he replaces it to stop the bad reviews a few got fed up in the end and it all came out i had a go on a friends non carbon reach it pole and the clamps were the worst ive ever sin the pole waight was shocking ,ill stick to uk poles
So you saying that Perry is a sort of scam artist?
Do agree he is a very good salesman.
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Perry Tait is his stage name.
What is his real name - Michael ..........? I honestly can't remember now.
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I see he has applied to the Australian patents office for a patent on some aspects of his Reach-it pole. I see he linked his son Harrison to the application as well.
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Noticed that there seems to be a fair amount of people here (forum) and generally in UK that are not a fan or Reach It poles brushes etc.
Is it the product or the person sell it or both??
3 reasons for me.
Difficult to locate (no obvious uk supplier).
Expensive.
Gardiners.
I don't really care that in the 90s he appears to have made a bit of a mess, leaving lots of people out of pocket and himself in hot water with Microsoft. It appears he is at least trying to be innovative which is always good in my opinion.
Also, as pointed out by others, the man is hilarious. Have you read the Perry Tait .com page? Seriously? WTF?
I was going to remark that Australian's think differently to the Brits so this could be acceptable over there. But then, is he Australian? His mother lives, or used to live in New Zealand, so is he a New Zealander by birth?
At one time his business address was in China so presume he lived there as well.
H Man seems to indicate that he doesn't sell poles in Australia. Why?
He seems to have a good market share in the US so why would he bother with this island.
I did chuckle though. He has a link on his site for people wanting to purchase product in South Africa. There is no way those guys will be able to make sense of his high reach pole assembly system. If I'm confused, they will be also. ;D
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
No Smurf, In fact had actually bought a carbon fibre pole/poles off him long time back when he was in Australia.
Met up with him at a Mc Donald's car park where we checked out the poles.
And discovered much later from a friend was common for him to do this.
Most people would put some sort of deposit down to pay full amount later.
However because it was very hard to get any sort of carbon fibre poles at the time in Australia.
Had paid him there and then for the poles and a setup.
This I believe was the last sale he had made in Australia as just bought his demo poles and set up.
The poles use still today no problems.
Thanks H Man. Perry obviously saw an opportunity to try fill a market gap then. Much the same as Alex Gardiner in his early days. You can't take away from the fact that Perry does think outside of the box though regards to innovation. Even though I've never tried any of the reach-it products some of his ideas do seem rather good in concept.
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
No Smurf, In fact had actually bought a carbon fibre pole/poles off him long time back when he was in Australia.
Met up with him at a Mc Donald's car park where we checked out the poles.
And discovered much later from a friend was common for him to do this.
Most people would put some sort of deposit down to pay full amount later.
However because it was very hard to get any sort of carbon fibre poles at the time in Australia.
Had paid him there and then for the poles and a setup.
This I believe was the last sale he had made in Australia as just bought his demo poles and set up.
The poles use still today no problems.
Thanks H Man. Perry obviously saw an opportunity to try fill a market gap then. Much the same as Alex Gardiner in his early days. You can't take away from the fact that Perry does think outside of the box though regards to innovation. Even though I've never tried any of the reach-it products some of his ideas do seem rather good in concept.
It's one thing having a good concept other thing implementing so it work the best for what it is meant for.
Classic example wagtail squeegee like the concept it has some things that has always been a problem but never addressed.
Instead change there mind do something different or rebirth old ideas that really didn’t work then.
Add or re jig a few things.
Then claim that is the best thing since sliced beard.
And give it a different name??
Never fix the problem.
Even have not tried any of the Reach-It brush and connections.
It seem that it is over engineered.
Think WCs just want buy something ready to go easy to adjust.
Earlier someone said, who would buy his poles any way when they see all the bad reviews on FB and Forums.
Fact is that we all started not knowing much about WCing and if you have a very good sales man can sell you anything.
But of cause you find out later that it was not a good deal or tool. >:(
Something like when bought the poles much later found that the bottom part of the carbon fibre pole was actually fibre glass. :o
But you live and learn. ;)
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There is an up side to this??
All the faults issues that tools have like these gives a bit of insight.
To other manufactures or would be inventors to make a better product. :)
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
No Smurf, In fact had actually bought a carbon fibre pole/poles off him long time back when he was in Australia.
Met up with him at a Mc Donald's car park where we checked out the poles.
And discovered much later from a friend was common for him to do this.
Most people would put some sort of deposit down to pay full amount later.
However because it was very hard to get any sort of carbon fibre poles at the time in Australia.
Had paid him there and then for the poles and a setup.
This I believe was the last sale he had made in Australia as just bought his demo poles and set up.
The poles use still today no problems.
Thanks H Man. Perry obviously saw an opportunity to try fill a market gap then. Much the same as Alex Gardiner in his early days. You can't take away from the fact that Perry does think outside of the box though regards to innovation. Even though I've never tried any of the reach-it products some of his ideas do seem rather good in concept.
It's one thing having a good concept other thing implementing so it work the best for what it is meant for.
Classic example wagtail squeegee like the concept it has some things that has always been a problem but never addressed.
Instead change there mind do something different or rebirth old ideas that really didn’t work then.
Add or re jig a few things.
Then claim that is the best thing since sliced beard.
And give it a different name??
Never fix the problem.
Even have not tried any of the Reach-It brush and connections.
It seem that it is over engineered.
Think WCs just want buy something ready to go easy to adjust.
Earlier someone said, who would buy his poles any way when they see all the bad reviews on FB and Forums.
Fact is that we all started not knowing much about WCing and if you have a very good sales man can sell you anything.
But of cause you find out later that it was not a good deal or tool. >:(
Something like when bought the poles much later found that the bottom part of the carbon fibre pole was actually fibre glass. :o
But you live and learn. ;)
I believe the fibreglass in the bottom pole section acts as an insulator against electric shock, and is standard practice in most manufacturer's water fed poles.
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[I believe the fibreglass in the bottom pole section acts as an insulator against electric shock, and is standard practice in most manufacturer's water fed poles. ]
Yes know what you are saying and it may be true.
Thing what was trying to explain when starting it is a big learning curb.
And if some people realize your not up to date with things in this case WFP.
You are more then likely to buy some things you think you need.
A good salesman should pick up on this and sell what her can.
Regarding the fibre glass bottom well that's much cheaper carbon fibre.
More profit for him.
but as said it was a learning esperance .
If you pay for a carbon fibre pole should you not get what you pay for??
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So you're after a new wfp pole then? ;D
No Smurf, In fact had actually bought a carbon fibre pole/poles off him long time back when he was in Australia.
Met up with him at a Mc Donald's car park where we checked out the poles.
And discovered much later from a friend was common for him to do this.
Most people would put some sort of deposit down to pay full amount later.
However because it was very hard to get any sort of carbon fibre poles at the time in Australia.
Had paid him there and then for the poles and a setup.
This I believe was the last sale he had made in Australia as just bought his demo poles and set up.
The poles use still today no problems.
Thanks H Man. Perry obviously saw an opportunity to try fill a market gap then. Much the same as Alex Gardiner in his early days. You can't take away from the fact that Perry does think outside of the box though regards to innovation. Even though I've never tried any of the reach-it products some of his ideas do seem rather good in concept.
It's one thing having a good concept other thing implementing so it work the best for what it is meant for.
Classic example wagtail squeegee like the concept it has some things that has always been a problem but never addressed.
Instead change there mind do something different or rebirth old ideas that really didn’t work then.
Add or re jig a few things.
Then claim that is the best thing since sliced beard.
And give it a different name??
Never fix the problem.
Even have not tried any of the Reach-It brush and connections.
It seem that it is over engineered.
Think WCs just want buy something ready to go easy to adjust.
Earlier someone said, who would buy his poles any way when they see all the bad reviews on FB and Forums.
Fact is that we all started not knowing much about WCing and if you have a very good sales man can sell you anything.
But of cause you find out later that it was not a good deal or tool. >:(
Something like when bought the poles much later found that the bottom part of the carbon fibre pole was actually fibre glass. :o
But you live and learn. ;)
I see others posters got there ahead of me. :)
You raise some very good points. Some designers stick with their original concepts even when it has design flaws which they don't seem to address. Wagga gets the Wagtail to work satisfactorily so what's the problem? I've never used one so I don't know.
Steven Jones tried to work at redesigning his aquadapter by shaving weight off. He also found that failures followed when he went too far. I admire him for realising that he had gone as far as he could with the aquadapter and it was time to bin it and come up with a new idea.
I do think the carbon fibre base pole is such an interesting issue. But as users we sometimes don't understand the reasons for designing a pole with those features. But sometimes the marketing people mask benefits as a cost cutting exercise.
Facelift have a complete base pole in Fiberglass I understand where the rest is carbon fiber. Gardiner's have a thin fiberglass layer over their base pole and the rest is carbon fiber.
Fibre glass isn't a conductor of electricity whereas Carbon fibre is.
At first glance it would appear from a marketing perception that a complete fiber glass base pole is best due to its having more insulator qualities. But from a buyer's perspective fibre glass poles were poor quality substitutes when compared to carbon fiber. So did Facelift use the Fibreglass base as a cost cutting exercise or did they feel that was the furthest they could go with regard to safety? They certainly didn't advertise the pole base as full fibre glass from what I recall as that would have stuck a negative in my mind straight away.
Alex Gardiner says that having a thin layer of glass fibre over his carbon fiber base pole is sufficient to insulate against electrical shock. So for me I'm quite happy to believe I have a better pole when buying and SLX than when buying a Facelift.
Perry's 'modular' pole system is far too complex when compared to Gardiner poles. It don't think its necessary to have a pole that is so strong I can stand on it holding a bag of concrete and it won't break. But I would expect that he will stick with his system and he will be promoting it 10 years from now (if his business hasn't gone the same way as the previous two). What I don't know is the bigger American market. Maybe that's a concept that the Yanks embrace so why change it. He can't compete in the British market so why change things and risk 'upsetting' the Yanks. They like big so the Reach-it probably fits in well.
So if its working for him, then why change a winning formula.
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Regarding the states using his more might have something that Perry had said.
After Alex announced The Gardiner was going to sell direct in the states.
Just saying.
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Who's next on your hit list then Herman? You've spent years trying to modify the waģtail, tried to fix the liqadator, had a stab at Gardiners and now Reach It.
Invent something of your own.
Just saying ......
Gardiners are unusual in that they (Alex) listens and adapts, re invents. He, could be a very poor business man for all I know - putting quality before profit. You'll have to ask his Mrs.
For Willy Wagtail it might be that you are the only person who thinks his product is crap, financially it probably makes no sense to redesign something that's selling well just because one guy in the Australian outback with arthritis doesn't like it. I don't have a problem with wagtails apart from the Glide which I think is a brilliant idea - just doesn't work that well for me.
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Who's next on your hit list then Herman? You've spent years trying to modify the waģtail, tried to fix the liqadator, had a stab at Gardiners and now Reach It.
Invent something of your own.
Just saying ......
I maybe wrong but Herman probably feels he should have got a little more recognition with regard to Quik-loc. Maybe Alex should have called it Quick-her-loc or something similar.
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Probably, but the idea is nothing new, been out for years in other applications - I hate the thing too. Cleverest invention I thought was the Gardiners Swivel - so simple yet nobody came up with anything close.
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There's some things you have to move on get on with life sand look forward.
The Quick-LoQ thing, glad Alex made them at the time .
Most people thought I'd lost it.
Because was calling it a universal connection that was going to replace screw connection.
On a forum that at the time Alex was on at that time.
He had seen a video showing what I was talking about, of cause he must of seen what I seen in the usefulness of such a connection.
Now have to say before had put it on that forum ,had actually show Perry the video on a secret FB page but was not interested.
We still use the demo Quick-LoQs had no problems with it.
Have not one screw connection on my tools now.
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Who's next on your hit list then Herman? You've spent years trying to modify the waģtail, tried to fix the liqadator, had a stab at Gardiners and now Reach It.
Invent something of your own.
Just saying ......
Gardiners are unusual in that they (Alex) listens and adapts, re invents. He, could be a very poor business man for all I know - putting quality before profit. You'll have to ask his Mrs.
For Willy Wagtail it might be that you are the only person who thinks his product is crap, financially it probably makes no sense to redesign something that's selling well just because one guy in the Australian outback with arthritis doesn't like it. I don't have a problem with wagtails apart from the Glide which I think is a brilliant idea - just doesn't work that well for me.
So which Wagtails do you use??
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For Willy Wagtail it might be that you are the only person who thinks his product is crap.
Dave Willis: Remind me of the people that laughed and said exactly what you said.
When they seen that video which lead to the creation of the Quick-LoQ.
and relating to Wagtail they have the concept just have not implemented it properly.
In time there will be something better concept
You know one of those moments .
WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT
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Well done, move on we've heard it all before.
Herman, are you drinking? Your posts are getting harder to understand...
No, I don't think the Wagtail is crap. I said the Glide didn't work well for me.
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Well done, move on we've heard it all before.
That's exactly what they said as well. ::)roll
Anyway have a good day. ;D
Early start tomorrow.
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It can't be easy these days bringing new product ideas and concepts to the market I would imagine?
I'm not unique and special enough to be able to dream up new inventions sadly.
But recently I became aware of something known in the US patent sector as Prior Art:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
However a recent experience made me question the validity of certain individuals claims/intentions (in the USA) who use Prior Art as a way of leverage against somebody else applying for a patent.
Basically a guy in America had produced a couple of sketchup drawings of a flimsy cabinet with a Perspex front to sit over a wood cutting mitre saw to control dust being inhaled by the user. He then submitted the two sketchup designs to YouTube and spammed a couple of Forums about what he had done with links to his videos.
He had not actually proved to anyone (with photos or video) that he had produced a prototype of any kind.
So there was no data to show that this cabinet could live up to his claims, it seemed purely theoretical.
A few people gave critique of the design and how impractical it was (which looked like something resurrected from 30 years ago) to which the guy then replied that he was an engineer with a PHD and a Lawyer with his own Patent Office?
Then his next reply was that he will test it out one day and that he would be using his 3 forum posts as "Prior Art". ???
So I'm just wondering if in the future if someone actually takes the time to design, test and produce something similar that is actually useable that this shark will challenge their patent in order to receive a payoff or a commission citing his Prior Art of the idea.
Just struck me that the whole episode has a bad taste about it.
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Probably, but the idea is nothing new, been out for years in other applications - I hate the thing too. Cleverest invention I thought was the Gardiners Swivel - so simple yet nobody came up with anything close.
The Gardiner Swivel is a great idea let down by the fact you need a screwdriver to tighten and loosen the mechanism.
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It can't be easy these days bringing new product ideas and concepts to the market I would imagine?
I'm not unique and special enough to be able to dream up new inventions sadly.
But recently I became aware of something known in the US patent sector as Prior Art:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
However a recent experience made me question the validity of certain individuals claims/intentions (in the USA) who use Prior Art as a way of leverage against somebody else applying for a patent.
Basically a guy in America had produced a couple of sketchup drawings of a flimsy cabinet with a Perspex front to sit over a wood cutting mitre saw to control dust being inhaled by the user. He then submitted the two sketchup designs to YouTube and spammed a couple of Forums about what he had done with links to his videos.
He had not actually proved to anyone (with photos or video) that he had produced a prototype of any kind.
So there was no data to show that this cabinet could live up to his claims, it seemed purely theoretical.
A few people gave critique of the design and how impractical it was (which looked like something resurrected from 30 years ago) to which the guy then replied that he was an engineer with a PHD and a Lawyer with his own Patent Office?
Then his next reply was that he will test it out one day and that he would be using his 3 forum posts as "Prior Art". ???
So I'm just wondering if in the future if someone actually takes the time to design, test and produce something similar that is actually useable that this shark will challenge their patent in order to receive a payoff or a commission citing his Prior Art of the idea.
Just struck me that the whole episode has a bad taste about it.
Very interesting reading in particular the underlined.
Regarding designing some thing similar not sure you mean look the same as it looks.
Or does the same action but use different device.
Not looking like the original apparatus?
But works the same but better .
This then would be seen as a improvement to the original invention.
Found this it would be applicable?
Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable. Thomas Edison, for example, did not get a patent on the basic concept of the light bulb. It was already patented and therefore in the prior art. Instead, Edison got a patent on his improvements to the light bulb. These improvements included a very thin filament and a reliable technique for joining the white hot filament to the room temperature lead wires.
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It can't be easy these days bringing new product ideas and concepts to the market I would imagine?
I'm not unique and special enough to be able to dream up new inventions sadly.
But recently I became aware of something known in the US patent sector as Prior Art:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
However a recent experience made me question the validity of certain individuals claims/intentions (in the USA) who use Prior Art as a way of leverage against somebody else applying for a patent.
Basically a guy in America had produced a couple of sketchup drawings of a flimsy cabinet with a Perspex front to sit over a wood cutting mitre saw to control dust being inhaled by the user. He then submitted the two sketchup designs to YouTube and spammed a couple of Forums about what he had done with links to his videos.
He had not actually proved to anyone (with photos or video) that he had produced a prototype of any kind.
So there was no data to show that this cabinet could live up to his claims, it seemed purely theoretical.
A few people gave critique of the design and how impractical it was (which looked like something resurrected from 30 years ago) to which the guy then replied that he was an engineer with a PHD and a Lawyer with his own Patent Office?
Then his next reply was that he will test it out one day and that he would be using his 3 forum posts as "Prior Art". ???
So I'm just wondering if in the future if someone actually takes the time to design, test and produce something similar that is actually useable that this shark will challenge their patent in order to receive a payoff or a commission citing his Prior Art of the idea.
Just struck me that the whole episode has a bad taste about it.
Very interesting reading in particular the underlined.
Regarding designing some thing similar not sure you mean look the same as it looks.
Or does the same action but use different device.
Not looking like the original apparatus?
But works the same but better .
This then would be seen as a improvement to the original invention.
Found this it would be applicable?
Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable. Thomas Edison, for example, did not get a patent on the basic concept of the light bulb. It was already patented and therefore in the prior art. Instead, Edison got a patent on his improvements to the light bulb. These improvements included a very thin filament and a reliable technique for joining the white hot filament to the room temperature lead wires.
HMan, If you have any idea what they are talking about with regard to Prior Art, please explain it to me in simple layman's terms.
I started reading it and then thought how fortunate I was that I won't live long enough to concern myself with whatever its talking about.
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Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable. Thomas Edison, for example, did not get a patent on the basic concept of the light bulb. It was already patented and therefore in the prior art. Instead, Edison got a patent on his improvements to the light bulb. These improvements included a very thin filament and a reliable technique for joining the white hot filament to the room temperature lead wires.
Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable.
So that has been already a basic concept patent this is a prior art.
But you can patent a improvement that is not in the prior art of that patent.
As explained above.
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Spruce ;
Do you understand now?? :)
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Oh well as far as Prior Art is concerned I would not want to waste my time trying to re-invent the wheel on reach it products that's for sure. ;D
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Spruce ;
Do you understand now?? :)
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Thank you H-Man.
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Oh well as far as Prior Art is concerned I would not want to waste my time trying to re-invent the wheel on reach it products that's for sure. ;D
;D ;D ;D
I wonder if section H has a patent?
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Preparation H ?
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Preparation H ?
You ever heard the old saying?
Itchy bum, money to come,
Nearer the hole, bigger the sum.
;D