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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: james stanley on November 11, 2015, 09:13:48 pm
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I have tried a few and my favourites seem to be.......
1) teckbuk full red aerial
2) Teckbuk hybrid
3) gardeners soft hybrid supreme
4) xline mono brush
What brushes do you guys like ?
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Any Extreme. Lightness is everything. I tried Supremes for a while and they are great, but when I put an Extreme back on I thought, wow, this is so easy and never went back except for minging first cleans.
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tecbuk hibrid ,tecbuk black,and gardner soft supreme hibrid , im guna try the supreme medium hibrid next, i did not like the xline mono
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Basil ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtxbM7-jAD0
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Any Extreme. Lightness is everything. I tried Supremes for a while and they are great, but when I put an Extreme back on I thought, wow, this is so easy and never went back except for minging first cleans.
Hi 8weekly - would it be possible for you to drop me an email on alex@agardiner.co.uk as I would like your feedback :)
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X line mono is the best brush for me at the moment :)
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Any Extreme. Lightness is everything. I tried Supremes for a while and they are great, but when I put an Extreme back on I thought, wow, this is so easy and never went back except for minging first cleans.
Hi 8weekly - would it be possible for you to drop me an email on alex@agardiner.co.uk as I would like your feedback :)
Will do.
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Xline wins hands down on everything but weight vs any other brush.
Reducing the weight could possibly reduce the quality of the brush so I'm happy to handle a few extra grams.
Second is Gardiners medium mixed hybrid supreme, just doesn't last very long.
Third is tecbuk..
Just put a flocked xline sill brush on my fascia/gutter/con roof pole and am very impressed with that as well.
Cleaning fascias was a breeze, so easy In fact I didn't even have to get the virasol out..
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Xline wins hands down on everything but weight vs any other brush.
Reducing the weight could possibly reduce the quality of the brush so I'm happy to handle a few extra grams.
Second is Gardiners medium mixed hybrid supreme, just doesn't last very long.
Third is tecbuk..
Just put a flocked xline sill brush on my fascia/gutter/con roof pole and am very impressed with that as well.
Cleaning fascias was a breeze, so easy In fact I didn't even have to get the virasol out..
I don't get that bout Supremes not lasting long. I bought two at that show in Bridport earlier this year and both are used daily and both are still fine. Extreme brushes don't last as long though. The bristles point inwards after a couple of months. I assume therein lies the compromise. Less weight results in less durability.
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Extremes all the way
Soft for high reach Medium and stiff for anything else.. been using the extreme medium wide with 4 Pencil jets for 2 months and love it ;D sooooooo fast.. easy the best brush so far Alex 👍
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Supremes the best all rounder - still going strong and clean great.
Extremes for 4 storey's and higher
Personal favourite is Tecbuk mixed (red and hogs hair) but the staff wreck them within 4 weeks and the customer service is worse than awful
Darran
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Supremes the best all rounder - still going strong and clean great.
Extremes for 4 storey's and higher
Personal favourite is Tecbuk mixed (red and hogs hair) but the staff wreck them within 4 weeks and the customer service is worse than awful
Darran
didn't get on with my supreme soft hybrid..
But yea the red tecbuk was awesome used mine for 3 years slightly heavy thou ..
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Pretty much agree with all these brishes mentioned .
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Vikan if your into body building ;D
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Any Extreme. Lightness is everything. I tried Supremes for a while and they are great, but when I put an Extreme back on I thought, wow, this is so easy and never went back except for minging first cleans.
+1 just went back to Xtreme medium and couldn't switch back to Supremes , The best compromise on both brushes i think is the Xtreme stock should be slightly thicker to make it a little more robust and Supreme stock should be reduced in thickness to make it lighter .
Or on the Xtreme make the buffers on the end bigger to give more robustness on the edges .
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Varitech's very slim new version that isn't listed in their catalogue or on their website, absolutely cracking brush. As light and slimmer than an extreme but the bristles don't fall out and it scrubs better. Nice having the option of 2-6 jets and easily swap between fan and pencil jets in seconds.
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1. Gardiners old 15 degree flocked sl double trim. (sadly discontinued but much better at scrubbing than the standard splay).
2. Gardiners supreme medium hybrid (would prefer a few more of the natural bristles and dispense with the extra jet holes).
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i mainly use supreme brushes for lots of work these days.i think they are a good balance between SL and extreme.however on some runs of work(4 days worth) an extreme brush makes things a lot easier due to lots of awkward angle windows on nearly every property.standard SL brushes still get used for very dirty first cleans and large accounts with big windows,sill brushes for f/s/g and conny roofs.
the other week i saw 2 employees of another window cleaning company struggling to clean the windows over a kitchen extension with aluminium poles and vikan sill brushes!been there ,done that!vikan brushes might last forever but their joints and elbows wont.
alex has a staggering range of different brushes to cater for various applications.
ive just received a supreme medium hybrid i ordered and will be trying it out today.this could become my favourite brush!(for now!) ;D
SL standard brushes most hardwearing brushes alex does IMO
supreme brushes lighter than a SL.good all arounder.
extreme brushes ultimate lightweight brush for awkward angle windows and high level windows
sill brushes i find them great for f/s/g and conny roof cleaning.
the extreme brushes in particular dont last long if used all day every day.a few months say but the sill and SL brushes will last ages.
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If your not getting at least 6 months from an Xtreme medium mixed then your way too heavy handed, I get well
over a year from mine but I don't use it to clean sills as the majority of the properties I clean have unpainted concrete
which I don't touch.
Xtreme medium mixed for all my window cleaning and Xtreme stiff for f/s/g cleaning.
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I love the supreme flocked on my 22 slx, it does everything. For higher work where I need to leave the brush on the glass I use either medium hybrid supreme or medium extreme brush.
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Ok guys loads of different brush heads, I need to pick one up to do some cladding, I can't upload pic my iphone no longer has the reply/quote/modify options at the bottom for some reason.
Am looking for one to go on the extreme 47 pole, ( and 2 extentions in places ) I currently have a sill brush on it which is great for the flat surface but no good we're the cladding is uneven, dosent get into the grooves
Used brodex sill brushes on similar job which was good enough but to heavy to use with these poles at heights.
Thanks
Matt
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At the moment I use the supreme soft flocked for every thing windows conservatories gutters ect great brush
Paul
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Stiff still brush it destroys dirt , plus on my 2 weekly cleans rinse on save loads of time and water.
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Any of the Extreme brushes for me thank you (elbow problems) and when the going gets tough, a medium radius sill brush.
Alex, when are you going to do a lighter radius sill brush?
I'd pay good money for one of those babies!
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Ok guys loads of different brush heads, I need to pick one up to do some cladding, I can't upload pic my iphone no longer has the reply/quote/modify options at the bottom for some reason.
Am looking for one to go on the extreme 47 pole, ( and 2 extentions in places ) I currently have a sill brush on it which is great for the flat surface but no good we're the cladding is uneven, dosent get into the grooves
Used brodex sill brushes on similar job which was good enough but to heavy to use with these poles at heights.
Thanks
Matt
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/cladding-paintwork-brushes/the-super-litear-dt-fully-flocked-soft-cladding-brush.html
designed for the job
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Any of the Extreme brushes for me thank you (elbow problems) and when the going gets tough, a medium radius sill brush.
Alex, when are you going to do a lighter radius sill brush?
I'd pay good money for one of those babies!
The radius sill brushes are already the lightest available Sill brushes at about 225g :) - we are in the middle of finishing a new and improved range of sill brushes and other variants, but I doubt that we can get the weight any lower.
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If your not getting at least 6 months from an Xtreme medium mixed then your way too heavy handed, I get well
over a year from mine but I don't use it to clean sills as the majority of the properties I clean have unpainted concrete
which I don't touch.
Xtreme medium mixed for all my window cleaning and Xtreme stiff for f/s/g cleaning.
yes but you only work a few days a week sean and dont work in bad weather ;D
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Any of the Extreme brushes for me thank you (elbow problems) and when the going gets tough, a medium radius sill brush.
Alex, when are you going to do a lighter radius sill brush?
I'd pay good money for one of those babies!
The radius sill brushes are already the lightest available Sill brushes at about 225g :) - we are in the middle of finishing a new and improved range of sill brushes and other variants, but I doubt that we can get the weight any lower.
Alex, your sill brushes are great and I'm sure they are the lightest. But you know what customers are like; especially those with aching limbs! We just want it: better, cheaper, quicker, faster...and lighter. No pressure!
In all fairness the sill brush must be a difficult nut to crack. I'm guessing a carbon fibre sill brush would be too expensive. Think of the kudos though ;D
It would be the pinnacle of brush design. Go on, you owe it to yourself.
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x-line brushes all the way now binned off all the poope Gardiners brushes that only last 6 weeks
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The best standard weight brush I've used and by that I mean supreme-super lite-Vikan is the Xline mono hands down,I have used this brush for over a month and the bristles are still the same shape as the day I got the brush and I have not lost 1 bristle from it as yet. It cleans effortlessly literally just a couple of passes up and down the glass and it's enough to get the job done,compared to say an supreme mono or flocked with a slight tilt it jumps 100 percent less on standard leads and standard being older leadlights not wafer thin PVC leads .Anything above a modern 3 storey building you can't beat the extreme brushes but for run of the mill day to day work the Xline IMO is the best out there at the moment,that's coming from someone that has more brushes than salmon lol
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The Xline bristles are the key not the stock not the jets it's the bristles themselves,they are packed full of bristles that's what means less scrubbing on the glass to get it cleaned. They have a quality feel to them almost like silk.
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NWH have you tried the flocked version as well? I would like to give the xline a go soon but cannot decide whether to go for mono or flocked.
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I like the Supreme hybrid soft, good all round brush. The boars hair middle section is pretty good for scrubbing more stubborn marks off the glass.
My favourite at the mo is the tecbuk 38% boars hair brush (red and black). It's the best for getting snail trails off with the fewest passes, very pleased with it.
Also like the Xtreme brush, medium mixed. The only downside (for me) is that the bristles seem to collapse onto the glass when cleaning at angles too easily and there doesn't seem to be enough bristles packed into the stock to give a thorough scrub. Shame, cos I like the weight but not it's ability.
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Anyone know if the X-line brushes are compatible with an Xtreme pole & quick-loc plastic gooseneck.
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I've used them on my Xtreme poles. The plate can be exchanged as they are the same.
X-line is slightlı heavy but has far more bristles than Xtremes/Supremes
Maybe more comparable to a Superlight? I don't know what the bristles are made from but they hold their shape and scrub white plastic really well. If you're a speed merchant then you need to slow your technique - actually makes for a relaxing day scrubbing slower but more thoroughly.
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Out of all the brushes available I'm on about the average weight brushes ie supreme superlite etc and other similar brushes the Xline brush is the best,I've tried them all. I've not had another brush for years that keeps it shape with hot water and doesn't look knackered after about 3 weeks,other brushes mentioned look like they've had it after about a month or so.
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I binned the angle adapted and put it straight on a carbon gooseneck,that plastic angle those type of brushes come with give you the wrong angle anyway.
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All those brushes with the flocked bristles feel heavier,they hold water as well as cobwebs galore.
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NWH have you tried the flocked version as well? I would like to give the xline a go soon but cannot decide whether to go for mono or flocked.
Buy the mono version it's much better on the glass,flocked brushes drag and that's what makes them feel heavy.
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I think the X-line mono is probably the closest you can get to a one brush does all. No need for anything else really - enough bristles and splay to wipe the cills, good enough for leaded windows too.
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I think the X-line mono is probably the closest you can get to a one brush does all. No need for anything else really - enough bristles and splay to wipe the cills, good enough for leaded windows too.
correct I have used it on anything under 3 floors,it's to much if you go higher but if you have a big run of plate glass windows say highish showroom or office windows it's more than usable,I have gone back to the others just to see if it's no better than the others but it is far better,as said its the best alrounder on sale at the moment.
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I have been trying it on Windows and brushing the minimal amount I'm talking a couple of scrubs up and down with a tilt of the brush to rinse on the glass and the results are the same as if you were to scub 5 or 6 times up and down,although it's heavier although not what I'd call a brick on a stick because your not scrubbing like a nutter the weights not really an issue. I used it on a massive old diamond leaded house today and the results were spot on with just a couple of scrubs up and down rinsing on,another thing with it is that it doesn't seem to hold a load of crap in it I can honestly say just a flick across it with your hand after a really dirty job and it's clean again,very good brush well worth the money if they make it lighter they will corner the market brush wise IMO
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when i got my first slx i got a supreme soft hybrid, this is a great brush, splay lets you do sills as well without rubbing the brush frame along the sill.
the sides seem to wear out quick, but still keeps great for regular cleans.
light,
great splay to keep you from rubbing sills with frame so stops you scraping the sills etc.
CHEAP compared to Xline.
I was going to get a Sill brush from Xline yesterday , but when i seen the price , im going to get another soft hybrid from gardiners ;)
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What no one has mentioned the constructor brush yet ;D
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Sorry but £10 more for a brush that will do for 1 a much better and quicker job and 2 get you through your work easier,is that really to much to pay. Has anyone ever sat and worked out how much money 1 pole will earn them in a year and then thought blimey £500 lol,if you keep a pole for 2 years and it's more or less trouble free that 500 notes is gonna earn you 2 years money.
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These xline brushes sound decent enough for me to try them, in all honesty the gardiner brushes don't have enough bristles on them ...... Am ordering some of these I just hope they not to heavy on the extreme pole
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These xline brushes sound decent enough for me to try them, in all honesty the gardiner brushes don't have enough bristles on them ...... Am ordering some of these I just hope they not to heavy on the extreme pole
If they don't have enough bristles then how are the people who use them able to use them ? not trying to be rude but that's
what you need to be asking yourself.
Do they get less dirt than you, do they have less bird poo than you do and so on, or is it just because they don't look like they're able to do the job you have convinced yourself that this is the case.
Like others I started with a heavy brush and now use nothing but an xtreme yet I would be a least 4 times quicker than I was
using the heavier bristle galore brush, is this to do with the brush ? no its to do with my confidence levels I have realised I don't
need a wire brush to clean glass and I don't need to scrub it until my fingers bleed.
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Ok Sean I will re write it for you.
Compared to other brush head they seem very thin on bristles
No it's doesn't affect the standard of work on the glass but as am looking for a brush head to clean cladding with that is uneven In my opinion the gardiners head that I currently have on my extreme is a sill brush and if you have seen one you will agree compared to the brodex sill brush, which is what I used on the job last time there is a big difference, this does make a difference when getting into grooves on the cladding hence the brush I have on don't help much. Having read other posts about brush heads and now clicked on links please have a look and compare the amount of bristles on the xline brushes compared to the gardiners
Please show me anyone who uses a wire brush to clean glass, ........ Hmmmm
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Ok Sean I will re write it for you.
Compared to other brush head they seem very thin on bristles
No it's doesn't affect the standard of work on the glass but as am looking for a brush head to clean cladding with that is uneven In my opinion the gardiners head that I currently have on my extreme is a sill brush and if you have seen one you will agree compared to the brodex sill brush, which is what I used on the job last time there is a big difference, this does make a difference when getting into grooves on the cladding hence the brush I have on don't help much. Having read other posts about brush heads and now clicked on links please have a look and compare the amount of bristles on the xline brushes compared to the gardiners
Please show me anyone who uses a wire brush to clean glass, ........ Hmmmm
Its only meant to be an example similar to using a sledge hammer to crack a nut, but as you don't seem to be able to grasp what I'm getting at then fair enough, forgive me for not realising we where talking about brushes for cleaning cladding as it wasn't on the title of the post.
No I wouldn't recommend an xtreme for cladding cleaning.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D so there na naa. ::)roll
i may now just try these new x line sill brush as shown by waga and youtube.
which is the best x line brush for all day to day cleans to add onto a slx
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Just at the top of page 2 I asked about it, just back a few posts,
I wasn't putting gardiners brushes down I was comparing them, I got was you was getting at hence the reason I explained it, using the extreme for cleaning cladding is perfectly fine, spent a lot of time of the last few weeks cleaning a fair bit of it upto 60 ft ......... Wait al explain how that's a 47' plus 2 x 6ft extentions
I can't fault the pole in any way or the brush head for flat surfaces
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Thanks. I have been persuaded to give the xline mono a try.
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Those of us who clean painted frames and painted cills - ever noticed how the brush just won't clean the paintwork? Yet rub your finger over it and the dirt comes off? This is one of the reasons a densely packed brush is so much better like the X-line. If you're only removing dust particles from glass every six weeks then an Xtreme is fine
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Now all sit down with a whisky , I am with SeanK on this one Xtreme brush is the way to go why spend £100's on the best lightweight pole such as an SLX or an Xtreme and make it heavier with a brick of a brush that you don't really need .
If you have a good technique and cleaning glass ,frames and sills then you shouldn't have any issues
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There was a time when I would have agreed with that.
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Anyone that says Gardiners brushes are the best have never tried the xline.
I love Gardiners , my poles are Gardiners, my ezpure system came from them, backpack even my new hose reel just came from them. I'd say 90% of wfp kit in my van came from Gardiner's.
Personally I just don't think there brushes have even been up to scratch. Good brushes, yes, but not great.
The xline brush is great, the best iv ever used. Its the brush I always wanted Alex to produce!
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which one for regular daily cleaning
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which one for regular daily cleaning
http://www.xline-systems.co.uk/water-fed-poles/evo-lite-brushes/evo-lite-26cm-brush-detail
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which one for regular daily cleaning
http://www.xline-systems.co.uk/water-fed-poles/evo-lite-brushes/evo-lite-26cm-brush-detail
I have one of them brushes, a bit heavy but scrubs good. I shaved a lot of the stock off to make it a lot lighter with an electric sander
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There was a time when I would have agreed with that.
Without a doubt their will be issues with some window/sills types and certain areas developing mostly in some cases , Now 90% of the time i will use an Xtreme because i am currently seeing a Physio every 2 weeks , But on certain area's i will use a Supreme brush overall its best to have 2-3 brushes for to best deal with all window cleaning jobs .
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They work fine on an extreme pole I had an issue with it being Becker than an extreme putting strain on the clamp body but I've put it down to it being split before I changed the brush,the Xline brush mono version cleans like a flocked brush in other makes but not being flocked it holds next to no dirt in the bristles. Far far less scrubbing is required with this brush the videos showing it being used on YouTube are demonstration purposes only,literally a couple of scrubs gets the job done IMO he best brush available at the moment usable on leads fantastic on Georgians and plain glass it floats over bars on Georgians even the bigger timber divides. Normally I try these heavier brushes for a house and take it off the pole again coz it just feels like another heavy brush but not this particular one it's good.
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I really like the xline brush but unsure about it on my extreme pole .... I also love teckbuk and soft hybrid .....Brie durability the xline looks like it will last forever..... Interested to see how many of you guys use it on an extreme pole day in day out ?????
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I will only use an extreme pole and I use it on mine
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I really like the xline brush but unsure about it on my extreme pole .... I also love teckbuk and soft hybrid .....Brie durability the xline looks like it will last forever..... Interested to see how many of you guys use it on an extreme pole day in day out ?????
The X-line brush will be fine on an Xtreme pole - I have had the X-Line brushes on the scales and they are almost the same weight as our standard Super-Lite brushes. So as the Super-Lite brushes are OK on the Xtreme poles the X-line will be.
However using an Xtreme pole with a standard weight brush (such as the Super-Lite or the X-Line) is not getting full advantage from the lightweight pole design. We do have in final testing a standard size Super-Litre brush that only weighs 175g - ideal for those who want more bristles and cover than an Xtreme brush but still want a lighter weight,
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I will look forward to that if it has more bristles
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It's all about the bristles for me .having a super light brush isn't my priority .
If a brush is 10 Grams heavier or 50 Grams I'm not fussed .
I use a black gardiners soft , red Tecbuk hybrid and X-line mono .
But having loads of choices is great for us the user .
Everyone has different needs in their equipment
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I really like the xline brush but unsure about it on my extreme pole .... I also love teckbuk and soft hybrid .....Brie durability the xline looks like it will last forever..... Interested to see how many of you guys use it on an extreme pole day in day out ?????
We do have in final testing a standard size Super-Litre brush that only weighs 175g - ideal for those who want more bristles and cover than an Xtreme brush but still want a lighter weight,
Now that sounds like the kind of brush I'd be interested in, more bristles yet decent weight. Would be great if the middle bristles were boars hair or the blue hybrid bristles, they've got excellent scrubbing power 👍
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It will be good if it holds it shape and lasts,they don't last that long in my experience I also like the look of the Xline it being bright orange.
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For me it is about scrubbing power. With the sl standard splay brushes I find the bristles simply collapse onto the glass (the bristles splay too much) so not much of the bristle head is in contact with the glass meaning there is less scrubbing power.
Alex used to do a 15 degree splay sl brush (less splay) so there was more contact of the bristle head with the glass and so more scrubbing.
People can be too obsessed with a light brush that glides over the glass - but was this can mean is a brush with less bristles and less friction, so basically less scrubbing power.
I know there is a balance to be had, but for me scrubbing power should be the priority in brush design.
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For me it is about scrubbing power. With the sl standard splay brushes I find the bristles simply collapse onto the glass (the bristles splay too much) so not much of the bristle head is in contact with the glass meaning there is less scrubbing power.
Alex used to do a 15 degree splay sl brush (less splay) so there was more contact of the bristle head with the glass and so more scrubbing.
People can be too obsessed with a light brush that glides over the glass - but was this can mean is a brush with less bristles and less friction, so basically less scrubbing power.
I know there is a balance to be had, but for me scrubbing power should be the priority in brush design.
The priority should be to design a brush that does the job as easy as possible for the operator, anything above this is just a
waste of energy no different to scrubbing the glass three times when one scrub would have done the job.
Its lack of confidence not bristles that stops some from using Xtremes or similar.
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New brush from Gardiners , Damo will have 6 on pre-order ;D ;D
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For me it is about scrubbing power. With the sl standard splay brushes I find the bristles simply collapse onto the glass (the bristles splay too much) so not much of the bristle head is in contact with the glass meaning there is less scrubbing power.
Alex used to do a 15 degree splay sl brush (less splay) so there was more contact of the bristle head with the glass and so more scrubbing.
People can be too obsessed with a light brush that glides over the glass - but was this can mean is a brush with less bristles and less friction, so basically less scrubbing power.
I know there is a balance to be had, but for me scrubbing power should be the priority in brush design.
The priority should be to design a brush that does the job as easy as possible for the operator, anything above this is just a
waste of energy no different to scrubbing the glass three times when one scrub would have done the job.
Its lack of confidence not bristles that stops some from using Xtremes or similar.
Agreed. When you have to scrub, generally you have to use the corner of the brush, protected by bristle anyway. On dirty first cleans I'll use a heavy brush, but otherwise it's Extremes only.
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I have only ever used extreme brushes but though they are light you still need to scrub more to feel you've done a thorough job,like I said before the Xline cleans with just a couple of scrubs with a good flow of water. The bristles seem to have perfect tension they don't fold flat and they are not to stiff,I use hot water and the brush hasn't deformed at all in about a month usually by now the edges of brushes are starting to curl up and look about a year old
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People that are concerned about the weight of the Xline they are a nice weight 3 floors and below IMO,any higher I would use an extreme.
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It's all about the weight for me any brush or add on which creates a noticeable weight is no good to me .
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I'm the same m8 I didn't think I'd use another brush apart from the extremes but I was very surprised how quick I got used to the Xline,there is less scrubbing so it is easier to clean with