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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Clever Forum Name on April 01, 2015, 09:19:37 pm
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First off i hope i got all the name right of the brushes and descriptions.
Yes it's my bed.
No i am not sleeping with them tonight (well maybe just one)
Yes i say URM a lot
Yes its not a great video
ta darrrrrr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQE9cf9XvA
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Glad I ordered soft lol
Not many bristles on the inside. All in the middle on none on the edge.
Odd that
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Haha I liked the banana brush reference, the stock on my tecbuk has just started bending now that you mention it!
The medium mixed hybrid definitely bears a resemblance to the tecbuk, similar shape, weight and both with the course scrubbing patch in the center.
I love my tecbuk and it's lasted me months, longer then any other brush iv used, I hope these new brushes can match that.
I really wish I went for the flocked or soft mixed supreme, they look great in that video. Let us now how you get on with them number 23
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Should of bought all 6 😄
They look awesome
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The flocked looks the one to beat.
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Erm
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Good vid, thanks.
Should get mine tomorrow, looking forward to it as my Tecbuk is on its last legs. Best brush I've had so far. But I reckon Mr. G might have nailed it with these latest beauties! Sounds like they'll get the slug trails off without too much effort. :D
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Sorry I was bored after 40 seconds so switched off ;D
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Nice vid will get mine tuesday got medium & soft hybrids probs use the soft for most jobs and medium for jobs close to main roads
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Tried the two mediums today. Couldn't really tell much difference between the two. Nice to use.
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I will be using them tomorrow to see if they jumping leads,that's the acid test for me with any brush these days. If it dosent work well without jumping on lead it will drive me mad
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I will be using them tomorrow to see if they jumping leads,that's the acid test for me with any brush these days. If it dosent work well without jumping on lead it will drive me mad
you want to use the flocked or soft hybrid for leaded mate
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I can't understand why the brushes arnt wider, I find those small brushes harder to work with.
I think the wider the better ,, you can clean more glass in less time
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im thinking of trying a couple of these as my extremes are literally falling apart but i put up with that because of the lightness, im thinking of trying the flocked and the soft hybrid but whats the difference between a hybrid and none hybrid?
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I will be using them tomorrow to see if they jumping leads,that's the acid test for me with any brush these days. If it dosent work well without jumping on lead it will drive me mad
you want to use the flocked or soft hybrid for leaded mate
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I'm sending them back as they don't work on leads I'm afraid or Georgian windows, they bump and flick water all over the place. IMO this model is almost unusable on anything but flat paned glass,I'm also not going for the sacrifice weight for design as some have said They have made the best brushes in the past there first dual mono was superb packed full of bristles and floated over lead but was too heavy for a light pole,certain brushes can make a job take a lot longer if they don't float over obstacles like lead and plastic-wooden bars. If a pole is really really light the brush needs to feel like it's not even on the other end otherwise it's really noticeable even if it's a small amount in weight you feel it at the base of the pole. At some point I will make my point via a video showing how a stiff extreme does all this brush does with the right technique. Cross between a Vikan oval and sill brush
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I'm sending them back as they don't work on leads I'm afraid or Georgian windows, they bump and flick water all over the place. IMO this model is almost unusable on anything but flat paned glass,I'm also not going for the sacrifice weight for design as some have said They have made the best brushes in the past there first dual mono was superb packed full of bristles and floated over lead but was too heavy for a light pole,certain brushes can make a job take a lot longer if they don't float over obstacles like lead and plastic-wooden bars. If a pole is really really light the brush needs to feel like it's not even on the other end otherwise it's really noticeable even if it's a small amount in weight you feel it at the base of the pole. At some point I will make my point via a video showing how a stiff extreme does all this brush does with the right technique. Cross between a Vikan oval and sill brush
ive been using the soft hybrid on leaded and georgian without any problems what so ever
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I'm sending them back as they don't work on leads I'm afraid or Georgian windows, they bump and flick water all over the place. IMO this model is almost unusable on anything but flat paned glass,I'm also not going for the sacrifice weight for design as some have said They have made the best brushes in the past there first dual mono was superb packed full of bristles and floated over lead but was too heavy for a light pole,certain brushes can make a job take a lot longer if they don't float over obstacles like lead and plastic-wooden bars. If a pole is really really light the brush needs to feel like it's not even on the other end otherwise it's really noticeable even if it's a small amount in weight you feel it at the base of the pole. At some point I will make my point via a video showing how a stiff extreme does all this brush does with the right technique. Cross between a Vikan oval and sill brush
ive been using the soft hybrid on leaded and georgian without any problems what so ever
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The medium hybrid is literally unusable on lead but brilliant on standard windows.
Luckily I haven't had to clean one leaded window this week but will be buying a soft hybrid soon as my switchover brush for lead.
Although judging by the positive comments surrounding the soft brush it might end up staying on my pole.
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I don't know how you clean WFP but I don't want to start another row but I'm quick,with regular cleans and by that I mean even 2-3 monthly work is easily done with a mono extreme with hot water so there is no need for the extra weight or splay in this new brush. Why does anyone need a brush to splay that much it's not needed,you only need a certain amount of splay on box sashes apart from that there's no great need for a brush that looks flat or folds flat. When you start chopping a brush out in the middle it loses its ability to glide over lead or bars it will just jump and stop and give you golfers-tennis elbow having to manoeuvre it around twisting your wrists. Like I said I will do a vid to show what I mean
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If I was cleaning flat panes of glass with nothing in the way day in day out I could work with a addis floor brush but as we all know we are not. All this dual trim business IMO is not needed at all you just need tips that have some flex that don't deform with use for box sashes and the like. If it ain't broke leave it alone and it wasn't broken that much,all a dual trim does is flex the outer bristles when pressure is applied to the brush of the density of the bristles are right there is no need to chop out the middle of any brush
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I'm sending them back as they don't work on leads I'm afraid or Georgian windows, they bump and flick water all over the place. IMO this model is almost unusable on anything but flat paned glass,I'm also not going for the sacrifice weight for design as some have said They have made the best brushes in the past there first dual mono was superb packed full of bristles and floated over lead but was too heavy for a light pole,certain brushes can make a job take a lot longer if they don't float over obstacles like lead and plastic-wooden bars. If a pole is really really light the brush needs to feel like it's not even on the other end otherwise it's really noticeable even if it's a small amount in weight you feel it at the base of the pole. At some point I will make my point via a video showing how a stiff extreme does all this brush does with the right technique. Cross between a Vikan oval and sill brush
I have to agree with the comment about flicking water everywhere, I've used a mates standard medium while he was using a medium mixed. We both agree that although the splay is great, better on sills than extreme, you have to be careful not to flick water neat the trickle vents as it seems very easy to with these brushes.
im not convinced yet, the extreme is so easy to use i think time wise the extreme might still be popular brush or maybe a good brush to use on certain jobs. Got a new slx 25 today (cheers Alex) with a soft mixed to try tomorrow though.
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A good informative video , well done .
I will buy the two you raved about .
What's there proper names , the 2 black soft ones .
My Tecbuk is coming to an end soon as is a silk Gardiners brush
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http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/the-supreme-soft-hybrid-brush.html
This is the one I predicted would be good and I LOVE It. Tried all apart from stiff. This one is by far my fav. Really happy with the brush. Weight is perfect balance.
Been putting in monster days this week and it's been a dream to use. Obviously I have a new electric reel as well. So that's been helping.
Next week I have 50+ first cleans. So this will be a good test for the brush.
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I use the black and blue Hybrid Extreme for leaded - think it might have been flocked originally can't remember but I cut about a cm off the tips - works well fo rme.
Just got my supreme hybrid soft and new tap and swivel - doesn't look much for £65! - wife nearly passed out. ;D
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That's the only extreme i use on a regular basis.
If I do swap to supreme brushes I'm gonna sell my sill brushes. Over the years I have acquired nearly 30 YAY
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Thought I would chip in here :)
Its good to hear that many are liking the new Supreme brushes. However the new range is not intended to replace any of our current ranges, rather they have been released to supplement the range.
For many years now we have been asked to bring out a brush that was mid-way in weight between the Xtreme and the Super-Lite. We also have many clients who wanted more splay from the brush bristles. The Supreme range does both of these things and it is really hitting the spot for many clients. In fact one of our clients (thanks smithy) a couple of years ago sent us his 'ideal brush' which was a Radius Sill DT brush from which he had removed the lower part of the stock and bristles and just left the glass facing bristles. This brush looked almost identical to the bristle pattern on the new Supreme brush - naturally this client really likes the Supreme brush.
However as with all brush choices whether they suit your working method or preference is completely a personal and subjective thing. As seen by NWH, who has always preferred a limited bristle splay they will of course not be the 'best' brush for such clients as they do have the greatest splay of any of our brushes produced to date. For such clients who like a limited splay we have the Xtreme or Super-Lite 0° Splay brushes.
There is also the benefit to having a choice of brushes in your van, ready for different tasks.
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COUGH 200g sill brush COUGH
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COUGH 200g sill brush COUGH
:) easier said than manufactured!
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COUGH 200g sill brush COUGH
:) easier said than manufactured!
Hollow air tight stock with helium filled middle, nozzle for top ups ;D
Next.
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COUGH 200g sill brush COUGH
:) easier said than manufactured!
But what a challenge; it would be the pinnacle of brush design. Only one man can do it... ;D
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Soft/hybrid supreme = MASSIVE WIN.
Loving the brush. Little bit jumpy on leaded tho.
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(http://new.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1428684800_brush.jpg)
Having said that, I got bored one Sunday (after a few beers) and in an attempt to make my sill brush lighter, I set about it with my Dewalt drill and reduced the amount of plastic stock. Fair play to the brush it has lasted really well as it gets a hammering on first cleans. Not sure how much lighter it is because I have nothing accurate enough to measure it with. Perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to have a drill! ;D
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I will now have nightmares.
I have a fear of holes in chocolate lol
Aeros just freak me out. SO cheers ;D
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Tried my Supreme brush today ........ hmmmm, it's just a brush. Reminds me of the oval Vikans of fifty years ago ;D
Think I'll stick with the Extremes.
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The supreme soft is naff scrubbing up and down as it bounces over the lead something terrible on leaded windows but usable if scrubbing sideways. The supreme white is better on leaded windows for scrubbing up and down movement. The soft black is lovely on Georgian windows once you get use to aiming the angle of the stock one click higher than the extreme brushes.
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The supreme soft is naff scrubbing up and down as it bounces over the lead something terrible on leaded windows but usable if scrubbing sideways. The supreme white is better on leaded windows for scrubbing up and down movement. The soft black is lovely on Georgian windows once you get use to aiming the angle of the stock one click higher than the extreme brushes.
Yes spot on. Will try medium on leaded. Thanks.
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Tried my Supreme brush today ........ hmmmm, it's just a brush. Reminds me of the oval Vikans of fifty years ago ;D
Think I'll stick with the Extremes.
Think you could be right Dave.
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I had some stubborn snail trails too and although they came off I didn't find the natural bristles any better than anything else, I was hoping they would be cleared in two passes of the brush but they didn't. Shame, as I had really high hopes. Not particularly accurate for sash windows either, still a good brush but nothing out of the norm. Just glad I didn't buy the six pack.
Also, although the weight is very reasonable it's still pretty hefty once loaded up with water and feels too heavy for an Extreme pole. Good beginners brush. ;)
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I had some stubborn snail trails too and although they came off I didn't find the natural bristles any better than anything else, I was hoping they would be cleared in two passes of the brush but they didn't. Shame, as I had really high hopes. Not particularly accurate for sash windows either, still a good brush but nothing out of the norm. Just glad I didn't buy the six pack.
Also, although the weight is very reasonable it's still pretty hefty once loaded up with water and feels too heavy for an Extreme pole. Good beginners brush. ;)
So you will be using extreme brushes on sash windows? No wonder you don't like wfp results ;)
I'd lose customers daily if I used extremes on sash windows which are on the these new housing developments.
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Never been sacked yet for using an Extreme brush.
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Do you clean any houses on new housing developments ?
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So you will be using extreme brushes on sash windows? No wonder you don't like wfp results ;)
I'd lose customers daily if I used extremes on sash windows which are on the these new housing developments.
can you explain whats wrong with using an extreme on sash windows please
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Funny I said that to a mate yesterday Dave, never had any complaints from the extreme. I'm going back to it, yes it takes more scrubs but I don't think there's much in it vs a slower heavier brush and like been said extreme far more accurate, no flicking around, can work right near to vents. Also glad I didn't get over excited about these, it's a decent enough brush just different strokes for different folks ;)
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So you will be using extreme brushes on sash windows? No wonder you don't like wfp results ;)
I'd lose customers daily if I used extremes on sash windows which are on the these new housing developments.
can you explain whats wrong with using an extreme on sash windows please
Fails to clean corners of frames/sills propley.
Unless you adjust the angle of the brush todo the sills.
3rd story sash windows and an extreme LOL
Glass will be fine. Sills will be rubbish.
Sash windows on new housing eastates are plastic with stuck on bars. The extremes collapse too easily. Corners of the Georgian windows are never great with an extreme either.
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Just use a swivel.
Anyhoow, I used the new brush again today. Wind picked up so was glad I had it on as it's a tad more stable. After that I had a big conservatory clean, unfortunately the Hybrid was no better than my stiff Extremes and failed to shift the fly spots and pollen. Bit disappointed really.
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I do have a swivel but don't use it.... i find that when cleaning second floor up the extreme is next to useless on the sills. As the lack of bristles prevents a good scrub.
Weird.
I am ordering a few more with fans. Love the brush!
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I've just ordered the White medium hybrid Extreame
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I have a feeling that those who prefer lightness over cleaning power will try to justify that the supremes aren't any better than extremes, and that's why they are going back to the extreme brush.
For me it's night and day. I used extremes for about a year, and then I noticed I was getting brush strokes on the glass (similar to the poor results Dave had mentioned from WFP). Extremes are only good on very clean glass in my opinion.
I do use pure water additives, but I'm finding the supreme soft hybrid to scrub better than anything I've ever used, it's the splay of the brush that does it.
Snail trails and bird mess is coming off in a few swipes for me.
Am I the only one to find this?
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I have a feeling that those who prefer lightness over cleaning power will try to justify that the supremes aren't any better than extremes, and that's why they are going back to the extreme brush.
For me it's night and day. I used extremes for about a year, and then I noticed I was getting brush strokes on the glass (similar to the poor results Dave had mentioned from WFP). Extremes are only good on very clean glass in my opinion.
I do use pure water additives, but I'm finding the supreme soft hybrid to scrub better than anything I've ever used, it's the splay of the brush that does it.
Snail trails and bird mess is coming off in a few swipes for me.
Am I the only one to find this?
We use vision tho ;)
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I have a feeling that those who prefer lightness over cleaning power will try to justify that the supremes aren't any better than extremes, and that's why they are going back to the extreme brush.
For me it's night and day. I used extremes for about a year, and then I noticed I was getting brush strokes on the glass (similar to the poor results Dave had mentioned from WFP). Extremes are only good on very clean glass in my opinion.
I do use pure water additives, but I'm finding the supreme soft hybrid to scrub better than anything I've ever used, it's the splay of the brush that does it.
Snail trails and bird mess is coming off in a few swipes for me.
Am I the only one to find this?
We use vision tho ;)
I'm starting to think this is why. Lol
Are you finding the supreme soft hybrid has good scrubbing power Damien?
For me it's rivalling the tecbuk hybrid, and superlite flocked. They have always been my previous best brushes for cleaning power.
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I have a feeling that those who prefer lightness over cleaning power will try to justify that the supremes aren't any better than extremes, and that's why they are going back to the extreme brush.
For me it's night and day. I used extremes for about a year, and then I noticed I was getting brush strokes on the glass (similar to the poor results Dave had mentioned from WFP). Extremes are only good on very clean glass in my opinion.
I do use pure water additives, but I'm finding the supreme soft hybrid to scrub better than anything I've ever used, it's the splay of the brush that does it.
Snail trails and bird mess is coming off in a few swipes for me.
Am I the only one to find this?
Supreme hybrid soft black has a nice splay of bristles and no bumper bar on the ends to damage Georgian windows, ...... I will be using it all the time on Georgian windows now as less scrubbing and the width of the brush is slightly narrow regarding the stock which fits better in the Georgian frames. As for the medium it scrubs better than an extreme but not as quick as using a sill brush using a brush on technique for rinsing as that sits flusher than the supreme. White bristles don't agitate bleaching seals as bad as the black bristles so it's black brush for wooden frames and white for seals that bleach run marks if using the wrong brush.
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I have a feeling that those who prefer lightness over cleaning power will try to justify that the supremes aren't any better than extremes, and that's why they are going back to the extreme brush.
For me it's night and day. I used extremes for about a year, and then I noticed I was getting brush strokes on the glass (similar to the poor results Dave had mentioned from WFP). Extremes are only good on very clean glass in my opinion.
I do use pure water additives, but I'm finding the supreme soft hybrid to scrub better than anything I've ever used, it's the splay of the brush that does it.
Snail trails and bird mess is coming off in a few swipes for me.
Am I the only one to find this?
We use vision tho ;)
I'm starting to think this is why. Lol
Are you finding the supreme soft hybrid has good scrubbing power Damien?
For me it's rivalling the tecbuk hybrid, and superlite flocked. They have always been my previous best brushes for cleaning power.
I agree with Dave on one thing. When you get a new brush you think it's the best brush of all time.
Having used all but the stiff supreme the soft hybrid is the best. It's the best brush I have used.
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So you will be using extreme brushes on sash windows? No wonder you don't like wfp results ;)
I'd lose customers daily if I used extremes on sash windows which are on the these new housing developments.
can you explain whats wrong with using an extreme on sash windows please
Fails to clean corners of frames/sills propley.
Unless you adjust the angle of the brush todo the sills.
3rd story sash windows and an extreme LOL
Glass will be fine. Sills will be rubbish.
Sash windows on new housing eastates are plastic with stuck on bars. The extremes collapse too easily. Corners of the Georgian windows are never great with an extreme either.
hmm well i use a long arm swivel so mebbe that makes a difference, never had any complaints tho & i clean ground, 1st, 2nd & 3rd floors regularly
as for the stuck on plastic bars the extremes are far better for them than a heavier brush i think
still i might get a supreme to give it a try
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This is something I will try on Monday. I have long arm and short arm swivel.
If I can just get a bit better sill angle on supreme I will be mega happy
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I would love to see that video as i don't have a clue what your talking about, these brushes are excellent.
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The supreme soft is naff scrubbing up and down as it bounces over the lead something terrible on leaded windows but usable if scrubbing sideways. The supreme white is better on leaded windows for scrubbing up and down movement. The soft black is lovely on Georgian windows once you get use to aiming the angle of the stock one click higher than the extreme brushes.
Who in the right mind would scrub up and down with any brush on leaded windows ??? , it just aint done otherwise it will lift the lead :P :P
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The medium hybrid is just as good as the soft IMHO really like using both will swap them around every now and then .
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I would love to see that video as i don't have a clue what your talking about, these brushes are excellent.
What would you like to see ? What video ? :)