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Title: Pump not working
Post by: Ray hatter on March 04, 2015, 03:23:44 pm
Went to do some windows today but pump wouldn't work ,my flow meter keeps saying a dead end is detected but there doesn't appear to be any ,so i bypassed the pump controller and the pump started working only thing is you use a lot of water ,any ideas on how to cure the problem
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Michael Peterson on March 04, 2015, 04:39:07 pm
you should change the way you clean, clean faster much less of a rinse on a high flow rinse and clean together and you wont use any more water,
imo controllers are always going wrong and I did waya with them a long time ago.

more flow, better quicker more reliable results
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 04, 2015, 05:37:43 pm
You have a controller problem not a pump problem, and I agree with what Michael says above.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Ray hatter on March 04, 2015, 05:42:31 pm
The pump controller is fairly new only a couple of months old .
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Ray hatter on March 04, 2015, 05:48:10 pm
If you don't use a flow controller will this Damage pump eventually?
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 04, 2015, 05:56:56 pm
No but you need to make sure the pressure screw is set properly and the pump is not cycling in use.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Peter Fogwill on March 04, 2015, 05:58:02 pm
It should still be under guarantee though if the controller is faulty.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: PoleKing on March 04, 2015, 06:20:09 pm
I'm having issues with mine also.
What controllers do you use, lads?
Analogue only.
The digital ones, I hate.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Tom White on March 04, 2015, 06:23:00 pm
You'll not have a problem with one of these:

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192847.0

Guys (not me) are flogging them on e-bay for under £50.

Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: PoleKing on March 04, 2015, 06:31:37 pm
Cheers, Tosh.

I bought the split charge relay that someone on here recommended.
I've not got a clue how to wire it up ::)roll
Anyone got any ideas?
It's this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151550930756?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Don Kee on March 04, 2015, 07:49:14 pm
Its very simple...


The Controller needs recalibrating
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Don Kee on March 04, 2015, 07:53:05 pm
Cheers, Tosh.

I bought the split charge relay that someone on here recommended.
I've not got a clue how to wire it up ::)roll
Anyone got any ideas?
It's this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151550930756?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


There should be instructions with it but...


Positive and negative wire from the van battery to the split charger (fuse on the positive wire as close to the battery as posssible)


Positive wire from the split charger to the leisure battery (fuse next to the leisure battery)
Earth the leisure battery to the van

The instructions should tell you which port is which
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Spruce on March 04, 2015, 07:54:25 pm
Its very simple...


The Controller needs recalibrating

^^^^^^^^^^ as what Don says
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: chris turner on March 04, 2015, 08:11:41 pm
I know you don't like digital poleking but you can't go wrong with this.
The inbuilt relay is also easy to wire up with clear instructions and works perfectly.
You can see the battery charging on the display so your always assured it's doing its job.

http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/pumps-controllers.html

It's the flowmaster with built in battery charger facility
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: PoleKing on March 04, 2015, 08:45:32 pm
Cheers, Tosh.

I bought the split charge relay that someone on here recommended.
I've not got a clue how to wire it up ::)roll
Anyone got any ideas?
It's this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151550930756?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


There should be instructions with it but...


Positive and negative wire from the van battery to the split charger (fuse on the positive wire as close to the battery as posssible)


Positive wire from the split charger to the leisure battery (fuse next to the leisure battery)
Earth the leisure battery to the van

The instructions should tell you which port is which

There are but they make no sense to me.
Have a look a the picture of it. It's got 12v, 12v, 6v, 4v, 2v, 0v ports in a row.
It's also saying ground the negative rather than return to negative on a battery.

Chris-your link is everything pure freedom sell, bud. How much is the one you mean, that'll tell me which one you mean?
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: chris turner on March 04, 2015, 08:52:00 pm
Oops yes it's the £90 one. Had mine over a year now and not one problem and have never had to charge my battery.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: PoleKing on March 04, 2015, 08:59:20 pm
Oops yes it's the £90 one. Had mine over a year now and not one problem and have never had to charge my battery.

Cheers.
How many litres and miles do you do a day, Chris?

Is it easy to install?
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Don Kee on March 04, 2015, 09:30:31 pm
You use a 12volt battery i assume..?

To be honest, i cant make head nor tail of your post mate...if you can, post a pic of the diagram.

But i'm pretty sure mines wired up as my post above and alls been good...


Edit - just re read your post, i get what you mean now (i think)
Yeah, you ground the leisure battery rather than have a negative wire from the leisure to the split


I'll have a look at mine in the morning and see which ports you need
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: chris turner on March 04, 2015, 09:35:16 pm
Oops yes it's the £90 one. Had mine over a year now and not one problem and have never had to charge my battery.

Cheers.
How many litres and miles do you do a day, Chris?

Is it easy to install?

Average 300-400 litres a day.  3 days a week I'm local within a 5 mile radius, 2 days a week I work in another town which is about 10 miles away.
There was one occasion where I had the dreaded low battery indicator flashing so I kept the van running pretty much all day and it was nearly fully charged by the end of the day.

Yes it was very easy to install. Like you I originally got one off fleabay that had terrible instructions and the relay itself wasnt charging the battery quick enough.
The pure freedom one has very simple instructions, took me an hour to fit and charges 0.1 volts every minute or so.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: PoleKing on March 04, 2015, 09:36:18 pm
You use a 12volt battery i assume..?

To be honest, i cant make head nor tail of your post mate...if you can, post a pic of the diagram.

But i'm pretty sure mines wired up as my post above and alls been good...


Edit - just re read your post, i get what you mean now (i think)
Yeah, you ground the leisure battery rather than have a negative wire from the leisure to the split


I'll have a look at mine in the morning and see which ports you need

Mrs has got the Mac atm, I'll try tomorrow.
It's exactly as I posted (that's why I'm confused)
Loads of ports (can't think of a better word but where you can poke a wire in) and they are marked as I posted...
Have a look at the pic on eBay of the unit, it makes no sense to me...
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: PoleKing on March 04, 2015, 09:39:11 pm
Oops yes it's the £90 one. Had mine over a year now and not one problem and have never had to charge my battery.

Cheers.
How many litres and miles do you do a day, Chris?

Is it easy to install?

Average 300-400 litres a day.  3 days a week I'm local within a 5 mile radius, 2 days a week I work in another town which is about 10 miles away.
There was one occasion where I had the dreaded low battery indicator flashing so I kept the van running pretty much all day and it was nearly fully charged by the end of the day.

Yes it was very easy to install. Like you I originally got one off fleabay that had terrible instructions and the relay itself wasnt charging the battery quick enough.
The pure freedom one has very simple instructions, took me an hour to fit and charges 0.1 volts every minute or so.

Thanks. I'll persevere with this one atm, as I've got it but I'm not very patient.
If it ends up getting on my thruppennies it'll be launched pretty sharpish.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Ian Sheppard on March 05, 2015, 08:01:56 am
Went to do some windows today but pump wouldn't work ,my flow meter keeps saying a dead end is detected but there doesn't appear to be any ,so i bypassed the pump controller and the pump started working only thing is you use a lot of water ,any ideas on how to cure the problem

If the control is displaying DE The control thinks flow has been stopped. I would suggest that either calibration is to low and suggest you recalibrate the controller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKoskb7l7c&index=24&list=PLUpfSwT7wIhfyiM-jbIDJPoH0UlNQZL9y

Or there may be a blockage restricting flow.

Running no controller can mean you will use a lot more water, System pressure is higher and the pump will draw more current from the battery. a Controller does provide other features that are designed to manage the battery and protect the system
Title: Re: Pump not working
Post by: Mist A Bit on March 05, 2015, 08:19:49 am
just to put another possibility your way, this happened to me , was showing de on the controller, wired direct to the battery and the pump worked but could hear a squeecky noise and it turns out the bearing in the pump were on the way out to which it siezed after 5 mins directly wired to the battery