Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Kev Loomes on April 10, 2006, 09:41:33 pm
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Hi guys
I got a bit fed up with the programme the other day, and when I watched this evenings episode - I got the severe hump >:(
Because they failed to mention professional cleaning - which can help allergy sufferers (and various products that can kill dustmites), I put the question to the Dr on the chat room run by chanel 4 after the show. I asked why our industry has not been mentioned or recognised to help this very problem. I explained that we can kill dustmites with cleaning and with clinically proven treatments - so why were we not given any credit?
Guess what................it never made it onto the viewable chat screen after being submitted (screened by the Ed). WHAT A SURPRISE!
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Did you seriously expect anything other than to be ignored. :o
They opted for a entertainment type show, not serious science, and screened out awkward questions on the web chat. ???
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Hi Guys,
Didn't see the programme as I was working late , but just consider what a minefield it would be to start mentioning products.
There are many 'asthma ' products on the market all claiming to be the best / most effective and there will be many more!
Programmes of this nature tend to be superficial because they are easier to make , you cannot really expect C4 to give you free advertising.It is up to the manufacturers to advertise their products.
Cheers
Doug
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So who do we believe the medical people who have studied for years and gained qualifications in their chosen subject asthma or some disgruntled carpet cleaners who have done some research on the internet or be told by a supplier who is selling a product that reduces allergens in the home? The scientists proved in last nights show that the regime followed on the programme showed a significant reduction in the mites so do we not believe them either they had far more sophisticated tools available to them than we do.
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Hi steve,
I think it showed that is you make the proper effort to clean it goes along way to reducing the allergens.You could see before the study they werent very clean infact some of them found it novel to dust and get the hoover out more than once a week.There was nothing new in this a good freind whose child has bad asthma has been doing these things for years.
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My point was that it could save people a lot of heartache and money, to get things cleaned/poss treated, as opposed to ripping up carpets, throwing out furniture and spending money on hard flooring.
Surely it would have been cheaper for them if the cleaning industry professionals/experts did their thing i.e. get rid of mites (which is what the whole programme was all about).
Obviously I wasnt expecting a nice suggestion (or free advertising) from the programme makers/doctors to go and use a cleaning company, or use a particular product, but it would have been a good extension of the programme if they at least brielfly showed that there are alternatives out there - especially if someone cannot afford to throw stuff out/rip up carpets & replace - or people who are emotionally attached to things.
So who do we believe the medical people who have studied for years and gained qualifications in their chosen subject asthma or some disgruntled carpet cleaners who have done some research on the internet or be told by a supplier who is selling a product that reduces allergens in the home? The scientists proved in last nights show that the regime followed on the programme showed a significant reduction in the mites so do we not believe them either they had far more sophisticated tools available to them than we do.
STEVE........Just to let you know, the scientists as you are suggesting recommend getting rid of furnishings (old carpets, furniture, clutter etc) - THATS IT! Not that scientific is it - we could actually save people doing this, or have you not thought about it?
Also, Im not a disgruntled carpet cleaner (if you were referring to me), and I havent done some research on the internet. I am asthmatic myself and know what works - Dont think I'll be ripping up me carpets or throwing out my sofas just yet ;D
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So who do we believe the medical people who have studied for years and gained qualifications in their chosen subject asthma or some disgruntled carpet cleaners who have done some research on the internet or be told by a supplier who is selling a product that reduces allergens in the home? The scientists proved in last nights show that the regime followed on the programme showed a significant reduction in the mites so do we not believe them either they had far more sophisticated tools available to them than we do.
Steve
You may say that but at the same time what about the medical people in other countries that have studied for years and gained qualifacations and recommended all of the stuff in debate and then realised that they were wrong and are now recommending totally the opposite.
Again the UK is behind with the times!
Cheers Goron
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...what about the medical people in other countries that have studied for years and gained qualifacations and recommended all of the stuff in debate and then realised that they were wrong and are now recommending totally the opposite...
Goron, interesting statement. Could you post a link or few to support it or reveal your sours of such info?
Regards,
Arthur
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here is one peice of statistical evidence for you. So that is Sweden. There are many others including Germay and the USA.
Cheers Goron
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here is one peice of statistical evidence for you. So that is Sweden. There are many others including Germay and the USA.
Cheers Goron
The one you have shown has not got a direct link to carpet. I am sure that if there was a graph showing how pollution has grown over the years then we could say that it was actually pollution which causes allergy etc.
Regards,
Arthur
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Does anybody know the number of Asthma sufferers now compared to say 20 or 30 years ago. Is the problem escalated today because houses are well insulated and centrally heated leaving an ideal breeding ground for dust mites.
Also some children today tend to persue sedatory hobbies rather than playing out and getting dirty like i did when i was a kid, thus building up a resistance to many germs.
In short, what are the medics saying is the increase today caused by?
I think in short, if i suffered from Asthma i would lose the carpets where possible to make daily floor maintenance easier as did somebody i know, and his Asthma is steadily improving.
As i have said before, if this allergy treatment is so effective, then let the licensee put the product on the open market. Regarding mattresses, put a cover on it. Problem solved.
Dave
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I'm sorry Arthur perhaps you are not using your glasses! The example statistic i have shown is directly related to carpet.
Also see www.comebacktocarpets.com
Goron
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Goran
Give up mate ;)
Its like knocking your head against a wall ::)
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Why is nobody answering this question?
If the people who make the allergy treatment are so confident in their products ability, why do they not put the product on general sale?
Surely their aim is the same as everybody elses, to make money and this would be one sure way to do it.
Or is it because the product would then be open for scrutiny which they don't want, instead, making their money through their licence fees and over inflated prices which are passed on to the customer.
As sombody pointed out on here, temperatures over 60 degrees and freezing will kill dustmites, and i would say that the suction of a truck mount in particular would b enough to remove any dust mite eggs. I would like to know the period of time after which a carpet is cleaned in a normal fashion, before the dust mites return.
Dave
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... I would like to know the period of time after which a carpet is cleaned in a normal fashion, before the dust mites return...
according to this study - 3 months (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8648015&query_hl=17&itool=pubmed_docsum)
Regards,
Arthur
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I'm sorry Arthur perhaps you are not using your glasses!
I am sorry Goron it is a matter for a common sense not for glasses ;)
I am not sure if you have red what I have said:
...if there was a graph showing how pollution has grown over the years then we could say that it was actually pollution which causes allergy etc.
I would also like to add to the above ::) that in Eastern Europe there is not much use of carpet in houses and offices, but I believe allergies issues are present and on the rise over there as well as here.
...Also see www.comebacktocarpets.com...
The website http://www.comebacktocarpet.com is supported by The Carpet Foundation, it is obvious that they would not try all available options to defend their industry, which I understand is on decline since laminated floor has been introduced to the market.
Finally I would like to say that I am going to start offering carpet cleaning service to my current and new customers, as I think the market is there, however market would not change to satisfy your needs/expectation it is you who should adopt to the market.
Regards,
Arthur
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Those studies are 10 years old Arther and most contradict each other.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2229844&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
Dust mites are only part of the problem, I thought that is why the product the lads use has advantages, because it kills mites, polen, mould spores, keratin etc. If it works and people sell it as an add-on then that has got too be good for them, and our industry.
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A&J...........you understand wrong.........in fact you just don't seem to understand at all ::) ::)
It is a fact, laminate sales are dropping,in relation to carpet sales, most,if not all of my clients who have had laminate fitted, are now going back to carpet,
Sing from your own hymn sheet and stop looking for other peoples info and posting it as your own
Dave
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... people sell it as an add-on then that has got too be good for them, and our industry.
I am not trying to dispute it ;D :
...Finally I would like to say that ...
..market would not change to satisfy your needs/expectation it is you who should adopt to the market...
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Arthur
I disagree, customers need educating, once they have been educated you have created a need for that service or product, you then have a market. Nobody would ever buy anything if they did not know it existed.
Derek
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...Sing from your own hymn sheet and stop looking for other peoples info and posting it as your own..
Dave, what do you mean?
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i cant understand the rise of laminate flooring! its crap, makes rooms ehco (no acoustic insulation) needs moping every day looks cheap and naff surly its for plastic people, lol.
do people agree with me or does anyone like the stuff?
its days must be numbered by now. hopfully. ;D
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Craig
Whils't i agree with you about laminate, i would like to say that theres laminate, then theres the very high quality laminate. The cheapy stuff looks naff, but the expensive stuff is good, especially with some quality rugs on top.
However with dogs, it would soon get marked. Just out of curiosity, how often do you clean your own carpets? I keep telling my mrs that if she can come up with £40, i will clean her/our lounge carpet :D
She said she will pay me in kind :o :( I said no thanx ::)
Dave
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Arthur
I do not understand why you come on here!
Seems you are on an awful lot never cleaned carpets before and try to give advice. A lot of which is wrong and i think in a lot of cases you are missing the point.
A lot of the time you appear to be antagonising people like the other day with Liahona but he wouldn't bite would he!
Here is another link that mite interest you....
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?show_aux_page=6
also I believe the carpet and rug institute of America have a lot of info on the subject!
I know i have a reputation for being a bit of a wind up but you take the biscuit, why don't you switch off your computer and go down the pub for the night and chill out a bit!
Goron
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dave,
we got cheapy carpet so not fussed about it, ive only cleaned it when theres been a bad spill,
when i renew though carpet right do some great polly loop piles £3.50 psm fit it your self, dead cheap! you must have cleaned some they clean great! come up like new.
get 5-7 years out of them and renew i say. lol ;D
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Arthur,
If you do go to the pub tonight, you can call into the chippie on the way home and get a pasty and chips. You know the ones i mean, made by our friends down the bottom of the country, as opposed to the corned beef variety :D
As i understand it, it's their only success story apart from tourism of course.
Craig
I know what you mean about cheap carpets. Mine are felt backed and have lightened over the last few years. Mr wife wants laminate but i like carpet.
Dave
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Arthur
I do not understand why you come on here!
You are making your point I am making main, that what is forum is about, I believe...
...Seems you are on an awful lot never cleaned carpets before and try to give advice. A lot of which is wrong and i think in a lot of cases you are missing the point.
My point is to rely on independent studies.
...A lot of the time you appear to be antagonising people like the other day with Liahona but he wouldn't bite would he!
No he would not as Inland Revenue would swallow him ;D
...Here is another link that mite interest you....
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?show_aux_page=6.
I know about this product...
...also I believe the carpet and rug institute of America have a lot of info on the subject!
I am only interested in independent studies, the above is not...
...I know i have a reputation for being a bit of a wind up but you take the biscuit, why don't you switch off your computer and go down the pub for the night and chill out a bit!
Goron, I am cool ;D, are you?
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Dave401
It is a fact, laminate sales are dropping,in relation to carpet sales, most,if not all of my clients who have had laminate fitted, are now going back to carpet
Make sure you do a full audit, ribbing in carpet will shrinks back in time, laminates don’t? What’s underneath?
Dave
Far too often for me, that why I’m ripping up the carpets to expose the hard wood floors I laid 18 years ago, that way she can hear her own eco!
Can you high light what product is a closed shop?
Over all I find this subject totally ironic! brother in law suffers from diabetes and is asthmatic, have given free samples. Won’t pay for it or not used! There dog appears to have an allege to the carpet (vet), which has been down for about two years is being replaced with hard wood flooring labour only £1800 got it down to £800 (true)
Len