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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Clever Forum Name on May 15, 2014, 08:21:34 pm
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Nice................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ia7J1vAL-8
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Come to the show this Saturday and be one of the first person to see it in the uk
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Looks good, bag, inline tds, outlet at base etc but do you think many are sceptical of unger in the WFP market as they seemed slow on the uptake to me?
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Unger resin is pretty dam good.
What you have to remember is the gear is aimed at the USA market. So unger WFP is right up there street.
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Unger resin is pretty dam good.
What you have to remember is the gear is aimed at the USA market. So unger WFP is right up there street.
I hadn't thought of that, I hope they do up their game, they have been market leaders for so long in traditional equip, anyway this di looks like it might be a step in the right direction
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Unger and waterfed pole
"LOL"
anyway this di looks like it might be a step in the right direction
Totally disagree. It's yet another pointless unger waterfed pole product. Its basically a resin vessel with a built in TDS meter. They've put the resin into packets that look like a pair of tights, and if unger's past form is anything to go by, those little resin packets will be mega expensive IMO.
Unger has a major problem with WFP in that they are just way too expensive and the stuff is poorly thought out. They brought out that green unger pole that was just a green coloured XTEL pole, but twice the cost that you could get it elsewhere. And I think I know why; because they don't sell direct like gardiners, purefreedom, ionics etc, they only sell through distributors and therefore they have to jack up the price to pay for that middle man distributor.
Then they brought out that TERRIBLE nLite pole that looked as though it was as much use as a chocolate teapot and again, mega expensive.
Before that they had that RIDICULOUS HiFlow slot together pole that came with its equally ridiculous "golf bag" which they expected you to cart around a building with you. Crazy! Clearly designed by someone who has not a single clue about window cleaning.
I haven't seen prices for this yet, but let's see if my prediction comes true and it ends up being super expensive. And what benefit is there to using this unger contraption over a normal resin vessel? I don't see any.
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I saw a price dont know if it was right but di around 300 n resin bags over 100 wont sell many at that price if you ask me seems like they are just like ionics expensive
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Unger and waterfed pole
"LOL"
anyway this di looks like it might be a step in the right direction
Totally disagree. It's yet another pointless unger waterfed pole product. Its basically a resin vessel with a built in TDS meter. They've put the resin into packets that look like a pair of tights, and if unger's past form is anything to go by, those little resin packets will be mega expensive IMO.
Unger has a major problem with WFP in that they are just way too expensive and the stuff is poorly thought out. They brought out that green unger pole that was just a green coloured XTEL pole, but twice the cost that you could get it elsewhere. And I think I know why; because they don't sell direct like gardiners, purefreedom, ionics etc, they only sell through distributors and therefore they have to jack up the price to pay for that middle man distributor.
Then they brought out that TERRIBLE nLite pole that looked as though it was as much use as a chocolate teapot and again, mega expensive.
Before that they had that RIDICULOUS HiFlow slot together pole that came with its equally ridiculous "golf bag" which they expected you to cart around a building with you. Crazy! Clearly designed by someone who has not a single clue about window cleaning.
I haven't seen prices for this yet, but let's see if my prediction comes true and it ends up being super expensive. And what benefit is there to using this unger contraption over a normal resin vessel? I don't see any.
Unger are moving in the right direction and moving the industry forward. I'm assuming you haven't seen he new DI unit and used it? It's the worlds first 'window cleaners' DI and is a joy to use over what else is available.
The new nLite ultra hi mod pole is also a step forward. It's the most ridged pole in existence, out performs everyones pole by nearly 100%. Should be one to try out tomorrow at the WCP show
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I seem to remember you (or someone else from Window Cleaning Warehouse) hailing that ridiculous carbon tec pole with its equally ridiculous "golf bag", and even more ridiculous price tag from unger as the greatest thing in existence.
No offense, but you seem to think anything from Unger, no matter how impractical, is the saviour of window cleaners.
What sort of profit margin are you making on Unger stuff may I ask? 30%? 50%?
Whatever it is, I think that profit for window cleaning warehouse is the main reason you think unger wfp gear is so amazing, all the while in the real world it's clear to everyone else that unger is about 7 years behind the likes of Gardiner etc.
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Maybe if ionics and unger sold stuff cheaper then maybe more people would be interested in buying
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If these things are indeed a step forward from Unger, it will be the first time in their history regarding WFP!!
I've not looked too closely admittedly at the new DI's but unless they make resin economy greater or are significantly cheaper than what the world uses now, they are pretty pointless!
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Unger and waterfed pole
"LOL"
anyway this di looks like it might be a step in the right direction
Totally disagree. It's yet another pointless unger waterfed pole product. Its basically a resin vessel with a built in TDS meter. They've put the resin into packets that look like a pair of tights, and if unger's past form is anything to go by, those little resin packets will be mega expensive IMO.
Unger has a major problem with WFP in that they are just way too expensive and the stuff is poorly thought out. They brought out that green unger pole that was just a green coloured XTEL pole, but twice the cost that you could get it elsewhere. And I think I know why; because they don't sell direct like gardiners, purefreedom, ionics etc, they only sell through distributors and therefore they have to jack up the price to pay for that middle man distributor.
Then they brought out that TERRIBLE nLite pole that looked as though it was as much use as a chocolate teapot and again, mega expensive.
Before that they had that RIDICULOUS HiFlow slot together pole that came with its equally ridiculous "golf bag" which they expected you to cart around a building with you. Crazy! Clearly designed by someone who has not a single clue about window cleaning.
I haven't seen prices for this yet, but let's see if my prediction comes true and it ends up being super expensive. And what benefit is there to using this unger contraption over a normal resin vessel? I don't see any.
Unger are moving in the right direction and moving the industry forward. I'm assuming you haven't seen he new DI unit and used it? It's the worlds first 'window cleaners' DI and is a joy to use over what else is available.
The new nLite ultra hi mod pole is also a step forward. It's the most ridged pole in existence, out performs everyones pole by nearly 100%. Should be one to try out tomorrow at the WCP show
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
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I went to the WCP show today and was pleasantly surprised by Ungers offerings. The Di thing is actually very good. It is very easy to change the resin and takes the faff out of changing resin that we get with normal bottles. Also you do not have to use their bags, you can put it in loose.
Also their new carbon pole is extremely rigid but a little on the expensive side. I struggled to put a bend in it.
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I went to the WCP show today and was pleasantly surprised by Ungers offerings. The Di thing is actually very good. It is very easy to change the resin and takes the faff out of changing resin that we get with normal bottles. Also you do not have to use their bags, you can put it in loose.
Interesting.
How what's the price of the resin pouches, and how much resin do they hold?
And how much is the bucket/trolley/vessel contraption?
This is where unger will come unstuck imo, they are too expensive.
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I went to the WCP show today and was pleasantly surprised by Ungers offerings. The Di thing is actually very good. It is very easy to change the resin and takes the faff out of changing resin that we get with normal bottles. Also you do not have to use their bags, you can put it in loose.
Also their new carbon pole is extremely rigid but a little on the expensive side. I struggled to put a bend in it.
That's the thing, unless the DI's are priced the same or lower than current versions, easier resin changing isn't enough to sell them IMO, neither is a built in TDS meter. Look at the Spectrum vessels, I considered buying two as they claim superior resin economy. I asked on two forums for opinions & seemingly no one had bought one- they are more expensive over normal vessels but boast the most attractive feature of any vessel.
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I seem to remember you (or someone else from Window Cleaning Warehouse) hailing that ridiculous carbon tec pole with its equally ridiculous "golf bag", and even more ridiculous price tag from unger as the greatest thing in existence.
No offense, but you seem to think anything from Unger, no matter how impractical, is the saviour of window cleaners.
What sort of profit margin are you making on Unger stuff may I ask? 30%? 50%?
Whatever it is, I think that profit for window cleaning warehouse is the main reason you think unger wfp gear is so amazing, all the while in the real world it's clear to everyone else that unger is about 7 years behind the likes of Gardiner etc.
Pete, no offense taken. Lovely to see a positive post on CIU ;)
Think your putting words in people's posts here, no one said it was 'saviour of window cleaners' but simply a step in the right direction, and things are picking up speed, the next few years will be interesting.
If you were at the show today, I'm assuming you weren't, the DI has a lot of buzz about it. I'm sure some of the guys who did go could give you an 'unbiased' view point.
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ahh Winpro, one of the reasons CIU is such a nice place to visit...
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
Really? I think you find the opposite is true....
Did you make it down to the show?
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So then Stephen, serious question, what margin do you get from Unger?
30%? 50%?
I'm just curious.
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So how much are they
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ahh Winpro, one of the reasons CIU is such a nice place to visit...
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
Really? I think you find the opposite is true....
Did you make it down to the show?
Stephen, i wanted to see your poles at the show but when i was approaching your stand, your staff were like sharks waiting for their meals! so annoying!
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So then Stephen, serious question, what margin do you get from Unger?
30%? 50%?
I'm just curious.
If someone buys an Unger product and its from one of their other distributors, out of the couple of hundred they have in the UK, we make no margin.
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ahh Winpro, one of the reasons CIU is such a nice place to visit...
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
Really? I think you find the opposite is true....
Did you make it down to the show?
Stephen, i wanted to see your poles at the show but when i was approaching your stand, your staff were like sharks waiting for their meals! so annoying!
Ben, how do you mean? Did you have the right stand????
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ahh Winpro, one of the reasons CIU is such a nice place to visit...
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
Really? I think you find the opposite is true....
Did you make it down to the show?
Stephen, i wanted to see your poles at the show but when i was approaching your stand, your staff were like sharks waiting for their meals! so annoying!
Ben, how do you mean? Did you have the right stand????
yes, are you still facelift? lol
so many poles to look at but didn't feel comfortable, feel like i couldn't see your poles closer in peace imo
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If someone buys an Unger product and its from one of their other distributors, out of the couple of hundred they have in the UK, we make no margin.
Yes obviously.
But what is YOUR margin on Unger stuff? I bet it's somewhere near 30 - 50%.
Or are you just not telling?
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ahh Winpro, one of the reasons CIU is such a nice place to visit...
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
Really? I think you find the opposite is true....
Did you make it down to the show?
Stephen, i wanted to see your poles at the show but when i was approaching your stand, your staff were like sharks waiting for their meals! so annoying!
Ben, how do you mean? Did you have the right stand????
yes, are you still facelift? lol
so many poles to look at but didn't feel comfortable, feel like i couldn't see your poles closer in peace imo
Ben, we could of given you a private room in the mobile home if you had just asked ;D
We weren't actually selling anything on the day, but showing some of the range to those who were interested. It's kind of the whole point of a trade show!! ;D It's a shame as you could of seen the Black Box in action!
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ahh Winpro, one of the reasons CIU is such a nice place to visit...
I recall you stating almost the same with the Facelift poles- they've hardly set the world alight & certainly not dented the competition!! ;D
Really? I think you find the opposite is true....
Did you make it down to the show?
Stephen, i wanted to see your poles at the show but when i was approaching your stand, your staff were like sharks waiting for their meals! so annoying!
Ben, how do you mean? Did you have the right stand????
yes, are you still facelift? lol
so many poles to look at but didn't feel comfortable, feel like i couldn't see your poles closer in peace imo
Ben, we could of given you a private room in the mobile home if you had just asked ;D
We weren't actually selling anything on the day, but showing some of the range to those who were interested. It's kind of the whole point of a trade show!! ;D It's a shame as you could of seen the Black Box in action!
never mind, my new pole would have to be another gardiner pole.... ;D
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[quote ;Dauthor=ben M link=topic=185721.msg1590517#msg1590517 date=1400366354]
[/quote]never mind, my new pole would have to be another gardiner pole.... ;D
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Haha! You would be suprised of the number of people who went thinking that, then came away thinking differently... ;D
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[quote ;Dauthor=ben M link=topic=185721.msg1590517#msg1590517 date=1400366354]
never mind, my new pole would have to be another gardiner pole.... ;D
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Haha! You would be suprised of the number of people who went thinking that, then came away thinking differently... ;D
[/quote]in your dream! ;D
if one day you do a pole as good as an xtreme25 or even better, give me a call ;)
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[quote ;Dauthor=ben M link=topic=185721.msg1590517#msg1590517 date=1400366354]
never mind, my new pole would have to be another gardiner pole.... ;D
Haha! You would be suprised of the number of people who went thinking that, then came away thinking differently... ;D
[/quote]in your dream! ;D
if one day you do a pole as good as an xtreme25 or even better, give me a call ;)
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We have! but got a few more things to release first.......
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[quote ;Dauthor=ben M link=topic=185721.msg1590517#msg1590517 date=1400366354]
never mind, my new pole would have to be another gardiner pole.... ;D
Haha! You would be suprised of the number of people who went thinking that, then came away thinking differently... ;D
in your dream! ;D
if one day you do a pole as good as an xtreme25 or even better, give me a call ;)
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We have! but got a few more things to release first.......
[/quote]of course.... in 5 years time maybe lol
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[quote ;Dauthor=ben M link=topic=185721.msg1590517#msg1590517 date=1400366354]
never mind, my new pole would have to be another gardiner pole.... ;D
Haha! You would be suprised of the number of people who went thinking that, then came away thinking differently... ;D
in your dream! ;D
if one day you do a pole as good as an xtreme25 or even better, give me a call ;)
We have! but got a few more things to release first.......
[/quote]of course.... in 5 years time maybe lol
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............................. ???
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if you have, why don't release it now then? ;)
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Well I guess we're not getting an answer to how much margin you make on Unger stuff, but I estimate it is probably about 40%.
So for example
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why unger wfp gear is so insanely expensive, because they have to go through middle men like stephen fox.
It's also why he's desperate to tell us their stuff is so great for waterfed pole, when we all know its pants.
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Well I guess we're not getting an answer to how much margin you make on Unger stuff, but I estimate it is probably about 40%.
So for example
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why unger wfp gear is so insanely expensive, because they have to go through middle men like stephen fox.
It's also why he's desperate to tell us their stuff is so great for waterfed pole, when we all know its pants.
to be honest we don't care about his margin! if he get 40%(doubt it!), good for him, would you work for nothing?
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From a personal perspective , the unger products I have used in the past have always been really disappointing! I found the unger resin absolute pants!
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I had a look at these and I can see no advantage over buying a standalone DI vessel and an inline TDS meter. On the smallest on e at the show It would be about £50 cheaper before resin to use a conventional DI vessel . The only advantage being its easier to empty and refill .. on the downside its bulkier and would take up more room. As big Duncan B says " Im out"
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Well I guess we're not getting an answer to how much margin you make on Unger stuff, but I estimate it is probably about 40%.
So for example
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why unger wfp gear is so insanely expensive, because they have to go through middle men like stephen fox.
It's also why he's desperate to tell us their stuff is so great for waterfed pole, when we all know its pants.
Unfortunately Pete it's far from a simple and straightforward answer/figure/margin
To be honest I haven't the time or inclination to go into how to distribute products of a global company to the masses.
Tell you what, if you have a genuine interest and not just tying to be 'clever', give Unger a ring on Monday and see if you can get an account set up then you can do your own math.
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When we use to sell ettorre the margin was 42%
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I "hope" Unger are moving in the right direction. However, a "buzz" around a product does not reflect whether they will sell or not- which is ultimately only what can move anything forward. If you can only boast easier resin change to justify an inflated price against the current world standard product then IMO that isn't enough for people to cough up. Is it a goal post mover or just a different variation of what already has been proven to work without issue? If it's the same price or even just a tad higher, you might have some chance of success. After all, Unger is trying to sell to the tightest clients you could probably get!! ;D
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SO HOW MUCH IS THE DI AND RESIN >:( ;D
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it takes 10 mins to change resin, the unger stuff looks good so the only benefit is the quicker changing of resin, so the only way they will make it sell is to price in line with what were paying now, obviously they will get a few takers but it won't go mainstream unless priced to compete
Graham
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If they are priced reasonably they might be ok. It would be good to test one side by side with a standard vessel to see if there's any substance to the (up to) 30% efficiency increase claim. They look the part, let's hope they can walk the walk!!