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Title: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: capn sparkle on May 11, 2014, 11:23:13 am
As above?? How high can I allow before DI resin change ... mines 002/3 at the moment.

Thanks in advance guys.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Dean Taberner on May 11, 2014, 11:26:17 am
Probably time to change it now mate,

I personally wouldn't work above 004ppm. Not willingly anyway. Ha.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: DaveG on May 11, 2014, 11:29:49 am
I change mine around 7-10 ppm, although it's sneaked up to 30 with no complaints  :o
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: ben M on May 11, 2014, 11:32:38 am
up to 10ppm you are fine
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Simon Mess on May 11, 2014, 11:33:32 am
up to 10ppm you are fine

Agreed
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Soupy on May 11, 2014, 11:48:28 am
I try not to use anything other than 0.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: capn sparkle on May 11, 2014, 11:52:34 am
Thanks guys - quite a range there - resin change this afternoon.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 11, 2014, 11:54:25 am
Having used 006 - 010 for nearly two months then going back to 000 There is NO WAY i would use anything other than 000 or 001 now
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: ben M on May 11, 2014, 11:58:30 am
Having used 006 - 010 for nearly two months then going back to 000 There is NO WAY i would use anything other than 000 or 001 now
why?
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Jack Harris on May 11, 2014, 12:00:48 pm
had slight spots on 005
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Don Kee on May 11, 2014, 12:11:20 pm
For the amount resin costs just change it....this way you get any problems at least you cant count out your waters tds
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: SeanK on May 11, 2014, 12:20:00 pm
had slight spots on 005

Iv had spots at 000 you will find that it wasn't the tds that caused them.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: ben M on May 11, 2014, 12:25:02 pm
had slight spots on 005

Iv had spots at 000 you will find that it wasn't the tds that caused them.

agreed
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 11, 2014, 12:25:43 pm
Having used 006 - 010 for nearly two months then going back to 000 There is NO WAY i would use anything other than 000 or 001 now
why?

Because windows that i have cleaned for nearly 4 years wfp that always spot were worse with 006 -010ppm

For all i know it could be the placebo effect but for the sake of a few £ no point whatsoever.

We are lucky because we get around 95% of our resin free still, but it could change so i wanted to see whats what.

If we do get spotting and i am using 006 - 010 how do i know if its the water or technique?

I swear the windows cleaned better, dried quicker and rinsed better.

But like i say could be a placebo effect. But far far happier with 000 now.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 12:33:49 pm
ive used up to 50ppm wthout ill effect depending on frame
and glass,infact i used 110ppm on one new build estate i clean on
and not one spot.

generally use around 14ppm from my rain tanks.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Soupy on May 11, 2014, 12:48:51 pm
My tap gives 40. I cannot clean a window with tap water. I have tried it's impossible.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 12:57:59 pm
My tap gives 40. I cannot clean a window with tap water. I have tried it's impossible.

Yep but im extremely gifted ;D my tap water at moment comes out
at 33ppm i can clean 90% of glass with this the other 10% i simply
adjust what i do :)
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Soupy on May 11, 2014, 01:07:03 pm
I'm glad you don't clean my windows.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Soupy on May 11, 2014, 01:07:23 pm
You should quit.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Jack Harris on May 11, 2014, 01:19:27 pm
had slight spots on 005

Iv had spots at 000 you will find that it wasn't the tds that caused them.


It was on a red hot day, i put it down to the tds but could it have been the water drying to fast on the glass? i was working with the sun direct on the glass.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 02:14:52 pm
I'm glad you don't clean my windows.

I can understand that...you wouldnt want me showing you up ;D

Seriously the cleaning power between 000ppm and 50ppm almost
no difference at all,its what you leave behind is the problem and i guarantee
there would be nothing left behind on your windows even if i had to put
a squeegee on a pole and give a basic dryng.

I guarantee no spots...the last thing you want is a professional such
as myself quitting,the tone of the industry would go right down. ;D
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 02:16:57 pm
had slight spots on 005

Iv had spots at 000 you will find that it wasn't the tds that caused them.


It was on a red hot day, i put it down to the tds but could it have been the water drying to fast on the glass? i was working with the sun direct on the glass.

turn your flow up and scrub and rinse more
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: capn sparkle on May 11, 2014, 02:29:52 pm
Back to 000pm now..

As a wfp newbie (6 months) at least I know the water isn't causing a problem if I eventually get a complaint.

As always, thanks to all that assisted.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 02:41:02 pm
you can still get runs and spotting a plenty with 000ppm,my advice
would be dont take it for granted and be thorough :)
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Soupy on May 11, 2014, 02:50:09 pm
Stay at 0. Like you say it removes any doubt from the equation.

Don't listen to gary999, he's a Muppet and probably smells.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: PoleKing on May 11, 2014, 02:54:55 pm
I change at 9.
Rarely an issue.
Been at 2 for over a month.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 03:00:37 pm
Stay at 0. Like you say it removes any doubt from the equation.

Don't listen to gary999, he's a Muppet and probably smells.

I dont normally respond to such stupidity,but on this occasion i will :)

000ppm doesnt necessarily guarantee 100% results every time
there a plenty of other factors to consider frames seals etc that
can cause you problems

so i stand by what i say even with 000ppm dont take it for granted
and be thorough.sound advice far as im concerned cap sparkle ;)

Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Jonny 87 on May 11, 2014, 03:02:15 pm
The thing is that Gary999's water may be fine at 30 ppm because his water contains only a certain type of mineral and not say lime.

People don't seem to realise that someone's water that reads 010 in wales won't be the see to someone's 010 water that lives in Birmingham.

I guarantee that someone's water in Birmingham at 030 would leave spots because of the limescale in the water.

That's probably why Gary gets away with 100ppm because his water is of a very good quality.
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: gary999 on May 11, 2014, 03:18:13 pm
The thing is that Gary999's water may be fine at 30 ppm because his water contains only a certain type of mineral and not say lime.

People don't seem to realise that someone's water that reads 010 in wales won't be the see to someone's 010 water that lives in Birmingham.

I guarantee that someone's water in Birmingham at 030 would leave spots because of the limescale in the water.

That's probably why Gary gets away with 100ppm because his water is of a very good quality.

The water from here is of good quality it comes from wales :)

I would have no problems using water at 100ppm deliberately but
 would dry every pane before the water evaporated and any sediments
are left behind.

normally i try to use rainwater at around 14ppm and dont have any
problems apart from the odd occasional window which i dry,most of
the year my tap water is around 30ish and have very few problems
but i know my round.

On new work i tend to dry every pane of glass afterwards anyway
 like to be 100% sure of results i have become very proficient at drying
glass up to third floor..after a couple of cleans i normally revert to
my normal routine
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Mike #1 on May 11, 2014, 03:54:58 pm
57ppm is the highest i have worked at without issue , If we have had some heavy rain 1-2 days prior then checking tap tds can be higher as the contaminants in water are much higher .

But as pointed out in a hard water area their will be far more limescale etc which will cause more issues  at a higher tds . Mike
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Scrimble on May 12, 2014, 12:31:18 pm
currently cleaning with 016ppm have done for months dont bother with resin
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: Perfect Windows on May 12, 2014, 12:34:59 pm
As above?? How high can I allow before DI resin change ... mines 002/3 at the moment.

Thanks in advance guys.

I'm really dull and repetitive on this subject.

1. Use two DI vessels.  It'll save you loads of money.

2. Once you've done step 1, it won't cost you a penny more to change resin at 002 than at 040.

Vin
Title: Re: Max workable TDS reading
Post by: jk999 on May 12, 2014, 11:51:22 pm
Im using 016 at mo they dont spot