Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PurefectWindowCleaning on February 12, 2014, 09:26:20 pm
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Im comparing this chap to how we clean. We certainly rinse more than what he is, but think the frames and glass is on a par.
How do you compare?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AZJqiZSDhg
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Could've done the whole front in the time it took him to to the first window.
And he didn't do the cill.
Also, is that really an SLX? Looks very floppy.
Queue everyone who cleans at the same speed being called slow or thorough
and anyone quicker being called 'splash & dash'
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To be honest I'm a bit quicker but not far off, and I rinse a bit longer.
I do feel that I over clean aswell. Could get away with less. But I like being thorough.
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To be honest I'm a bit quicker but not far off, and I rinse a bit longer.
I do feel that I over clean aswell. Could get away with less. But I like being thorough.
Were the same then.
We would clean the top half of each window first, and then do the bottom halfs. Again, prob being to thorough but just how we like to work.
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cleaning sill before he cleans glass ???
i would clean top two openers first rinse then clean bottom
two and sill last. Then move across same on other window
then clean bottom windows etc,top frame the sides ,glass
then bottom frame,quick rinse if maintenance clean then sill
if i have a good flow i rarely rinse on new builds like that
never have a problem
He faffed around a lot...was too slow
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And I would have dropped down to the window to the right of the door first, then cleaned the door, then left ground floor window to minimise drips on the ground floor windows.
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7 mins to do front so say 7 on back and a little for sides = 18 mins ::)roll
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£12, front and back. Includes cills.
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7 mins to do front so say 7 on back and a little for sides = 18 mins ::)roll
How long would this take you then Ian?
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And I would have dropped down to the window to the right of the door first, then cleaned the door, then left ground floor window to minimise drips on the ground floor windows.
yep same here
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I'd take about the same time.
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It's obviously a video for his customers to see so he is hardly going to slap dash.
Loads of errors but as OP is not in the video. Don't see the point in listing them.
But most errors have Ben mentioned.
Going on the pump sound. He has a decent flow though.
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I probably brush a bit less and rinse a bit more, would also do the downstairs right first to minimise drips on the left.
Nice to see a VARIETY of styles though (pun intended)
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Really slow.
In Scotland the prices may be a bit lower than some southern softies so we work twice as quick and make simillar money ;)
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If I was this slow I would pack up for good and become a hairdresser,this bloke tooke 1 min 38 seconds on first window,i would have had all front windows and door done in this time.
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If I was this slow I would pack up for good and become a hairdresser,this bloke tooke 1 min 38 seconds on first window,i would have had all front windows and door done in this time.
I would really like a video of that.
So you would have that whole house done in less than 5 minutes? I need to see to believe. :)
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I also would be doing the whole of the windows in the time it took for the first window, and they would be done thoroughly. The pump sounded loud but you can see by the lack of water under the ledges and the part of the wall he wet going from window to window that the water was on low. A lot of unnecessary wiggling of the brush. 7 minutes for the front of a house is longer that I used to clean traditionally 15 years ago.
Cranking up the water feed would easily cut his time in half, and he would use the same amount of water.
Peter
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Im very keen to see you boys clean this quick?
Not that I dont beleive you, just curious
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7 mins to do front so say 7 on back and a little for sides = 18 mins ::)roll
How long would this take you then Ian?
assuming its not a 1st clean then and monthly
2 x top tops left to right
2x bottom tops left to right
drop down to do door and small window (very quick pass)
go right and do top of bottom
go left do tops of bottoms
go right again to do bottom of bottoms
go left to do bottom bottoms
same on rear / sides
prob OTT by splitting windows in half but this way IMHO stops runs as much as possible
2 mins for tops and prob 3 mins for bottoms
rear same method about 5 mins and a few seconds for bathroom window scrub no rinse
all windows get wipe with brush on frames and glass gets 1 pass up and down and 1 across zig zagging down and quick rinse on all
prob circa 11 /12 mins for house ........... if you didnt split windows in halfs then prob under 8 mins in total but prefer not to rush them ............ if u ever see Richard isparkle working then he would have this house done in about 5 minutes (not bs ask Bob Plumb)
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Aye that boy likes a guid wiggle, I am defo splash n dash compared to him.
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I scrub the glass and give the frames a quick brush over as Im doing so,the glass is the important bit,nobody will see spots on frames.
But I rinse the frames and glass really well.
So really quick scrub and good rinse on 4 weekly works for me.
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7 mins to do front so say 7 on back and a little for sides = 18 mins ::)roll
How long would this take you then Ian?
assuming its not a 1st clean then and monthly
2 x top tops left to right
2x bottom tops left to right
drop down to do door and small window (very quick pass)
go right and do top of bottom
go left do tops of bottoms
go right again to do bottom of bottoms
go left to do bottom bottoms
same on rear / sides
prob OTT by splitting windows in half but this way IMHO stops runs as much as possible
2 mins for tops and prob 3 mins for bottoms
rear same method about 5 mins and a few seconds for bathroom window scrub no rinse
all windows get wipe with brush on frames and glass gets 1 pass up and down and 1 across zig zagging down and quick rinse on all
prob circa 11 /12 mins for house ........... if you didnt split windows in halfs then prob under 8 mins in total but prefer not to rush them ............ if u ever see Richard isparkle working then he would have this house done in about 5 minutes (not bs ask Bob Plumb)
Same as us then, we must just be slow ;D
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I also would be doing the whole of the windows in the time it took for the first window, and they would be done thoroughly. The pump sounded loud but you can see by the lack of water under the ledges and the part of the wall he wet going from window to window that the water was on low. A lot of unnecessary wiggling of the brush. 7 minutes for the front of a house is longer that I used to clean traditionally 15 years ago.
Cranking up the water feed would easily cut his time in half, and he would use the same amount of water.
Peter
Totally agree Peter,was going to post he very same thing myself about flow rate.
I have mine cranked up as much is the pressure switch allows,i use fans because I feel they are quicker,and I rinse on the glass something that I took from you about 13 months ago Peter,would never god back to rinsing off and would never go back to cleaning with a slow flow rate. The higher the flow rate the quicker you work simples. And yes if I took over 2 mins cleaning that front I would seriously worry. For that house I would charge 10 to 12 quid
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I clean fronts in less that 2mins a pop as long as maintance cleans and customer is t home.. Im proper splash and dash and am proud of it, get little to no complaints so cant be doing that much wrong..
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I clean fronts in less that 2mins a pop as long as maintance cleans and customer is t home.. Im proper splash and dash and am proud of it, get little to no complaints so cant be doing that much wrong..
ya right dodgy cowboy arent you sir michael ;D
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Im comparing this chap to how we clean. We certainly rinse more than what he is, but think the frames and glass is on a par.
How do you compare?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AZJqiZSDhg
He does seem a bit slow... He should have cleaned the lower right hand windows that didn't get splashed on from above before the left hand side window... And his trousers are too baggy.
Andy ;)
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7 mins to do front so say 7 on back and a little for sides = 18 mins ::)roll
How long would this take you then Ian?
assuming its not a 1st clean then and monthly
2 x top tops left to right
2x bottom tops left to right
drop down to do door and small window (very quick pass)
go right and do top of bottom
go left do tops of bottoms
go right again to do bottom of bottoms
go left to do bottom bottoms
same on rear / sides
prob OTT by splitting windows in half but this way IMHO stops runs as much as possible
2 mins for tops and prob 3 mins for bottoms
rear same method about 5 mins and a few seconds for bathroom window scrub no rinse
all windows get wipe with brush on frames and glass gets 1 pass up and down and 1 across zig zagging down and quick rinse on all
prob circa 11 /12 mins for house ........... if you didnt split windows in halfs then prob under 8 mins in total but prefer not to rush them ............ if u ever see Richard isparkle working then he would have this house done in about 5 minutes (not bs ask Bob Plumb)
richard would have shot him or had a heart attack
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Any videos of richard?
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7 mins to do front so say 7 on back and a little for sides = 18 mins ::)roll
How long would this take you then Ian?
assuming its not a 1st clean then and monthly
2 x top tops left to right
2x bottom tops left to right
drop down to do door and small window (very quick pass)
go right and do top of bottom
go left do tops of bottoms
go right again to do bottom of bottoms
go left to do bottom bottoms
same on rear / sides
prob OTT by splitting windows in half but this way IMHO stops runs as much as possible
2 mins for tops and prob 3 mins for bottoms
rear same method about 5 mins and a few seconds for bathroom window scrub no rinse
all windows get wipe with brush on frames and glass gets 1 pass up and down and 1 across zig zagging down and quick rinse on all
prob circa 11 /12 mins for house ........... if you didnt split windows in halfs then prob under 8 mins in total but prefer not to rush them ............ if u ever see Richard isparkle working then he would have this house done in about 5 minutes (not bs ask Bob Plumb)
Same as us then, we must just be slow ;D
of course this is in the morning ..... by the afternoon I need a nap so will be more like an hour ;D
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Any videos of richard?
my phone camera wasnt quick enough :D
maybe richard will put 1 up but then he wont like to give too much away so perhaps not ???
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Glad I helped Tripoyboy.
In my view probably the best thing that's happened to window cleaning industry is the introduction of the water fed pole, and the worse thing is the introduction of the flow controller. The flow controller wasn't introduced so that the pump can be turned down, it was introduced to stop the pump switches burning out. Since their introduction they are probably responsible for the biggest loss in time a window cleaner will ever have. If they hadn't been introduced most window cleaners would be earning more money, or spending more time with their family.
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To be honest I'm a bit quicker but not far off, and I rinse a bit longer.
I do feel that I over clean aswell. Could get away with less. But I like being thorough.
thats cos u do a good job m8 ;) :)
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I wouldnt spend so much time on the frames especially on a maintenance clean. Rinsing he rushed which i think is the most crucial part of wfp window cleaning
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Made a lot of unnecessary work for himself, blow that, way too slow with method of cleaning!
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That reminded me of when I first started, I don't think this guy has been using
a pole for very long.
I think he looked a bit clumsy and slightly slow.
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I use to work slow when I first started as I was very thorough. Bad weather and lack of money forced me to forget pride of job and just knuckle down and do a minimal but thorough job of cleaning windows quickly but efficiently enough not to get complaints.
Customers don't appreciate us working in crap weather and I don't appreciate sitting on my backside anymore than I need to so I rush my jobs as quick as I can get away with as customers don't take pity on us and I only do this job for the money now as the novel idea of being self employed as a window cleaner has worn thin with years of being in this job as the weather seems to be getting more extreme owing to climate change as they call it now. Not the best place to window clean in Devon in between the moors and surrounded by coast and south westerly storm force weather :o
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may be he aint that slow realy may be just puting on a show thiking it would impress custys .and not thiking it was gonna be on here to have the pss riped out of him i bet hes slpash and dash like the rest of us, except me of course ;D
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No idea why he made the vid. I can't imagine anyone apart from window cleaners even bothering to watch a vid of some bloke waving a pole at some windows. People moan about adverts on TV and some of you think your custies would waste over 5 minutes watching that??
Imagine your local plumber shoving a DVD in your hand lasting 5 minutes showing him sticking a radiator to a livingroom wall ::)roll
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I clean fronts in less that 2mins a pop as long as maintance cleans and customer is t home.. Im proper splash and dash and am proud of it, get little to no complaints so cant be doing that much wrong..
+1
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No idea why he made the vid. I can't imagine anyone apart from window cleaners even bothering to watch a vid of some bloke waving a pole at some windows. People moan about adverts on TV and some of you think your custies would waste over 5 minutes watching that??
Imagine your local plumber shoving a DVD in your hand lasting 5 minutes showing him sticking a radiator to a livingroom wall ::)roll
You post videos online of you gobbling Fritz's Guurman sausage 'n then gargling! Where's the difference chocolatestarfishboy?
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I also would be doing the whole of the windows in the time it took for the first window, and they would be done thoroughly. The pump sounded loud but you can see by the lack of water under the ledges and the part of the wall he wet going from window to window that the water was on low. A lot of unnecessary wiggling of the brush. 7 minutes for the front of a house is longer that I used to clean traditionally 15 years ago.
Cranking up the water feed would easily cut his time in half, and he would use the same amount of water.
Peter
+1 ;)
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Glad I helped Tripoyboy.
In my view probably the best thing that's happened to window cleaning industry is the introduction of the water fed pole, and the worse thing is the introduction of the flow controller. The flow controller wasn't introduced so that the pump can be turned down, it was introduced to stop the pump switches burning out. Since their introduction they are probably responsible for the biggest loss in time a window cleaner will ever have. If they hadn't been introduced most window cleaners would be earning more money, or spending more time with their family.
I have to agree with what you say there.
I use an analogue pump controller as that's what I bought when I first went wfp.
But over time I've upped the flow rate to full (10 on the controller dial).
It has not affected the pressure switch, and if the controller ever dies I won't bother using another one as I prefer working with a full flow.
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No idea why he made the vid. I can't imagine anyone apart from window cleaners even bothering to watch a vid of some bloke waving a pole at some windows. People moan about adverts on TV and some of you think your custies would waste over 5 minutes watching that??
Imagine your local plumber shoving a DVD in your hand lasting 5 minutes showing him sticking a radiator to a livingroom wall ::)roll
You post videos online of you gobbling Fritz's Guurman sausage 'n then gargling! Where's the difference chocolatestarfishboy?
Cottage loitering git ;)
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I would rate the speed the same as a new person just starting out. And the juggling well say no more :D
But there's no rules only list income, if your are this slow,I mean quick :D I would have rethink of what you are doing
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Not bad.
Anyone else gonna put some videos up? ;)
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Not bad.
Anyone else gonna put some videos up? ;)
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Everyone's a critic, but doesn't want to put a video up of showing themselves doing it quicker. :)
They could upload the video to youtube and make it private, just with a link here in this topic. Then only we could see it and no one else. They could even delete it after a week or so if they wanted.
Any takers.............?
:)
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Who would bother to? Got better things to do than set up a camera and upload etc - this is the sort of thing that n00bies do, so there's unlikely to be any fair comparison.
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Not bad.
Anyone else gonna put some videos up? ;)
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Everyone's a critic, but doesn't want to put a video up of showing themselves doing it quicker. :)
They could upload the video to youtube and make it private, just with a link here in this topic. Then only we could see it and no one else. They could even delete it after a week or so if they wanted.
Any takers.............?
:)
Cant be arsed with making silly videos,all I know is im a lot quicker than that bloke in the vid,im not begging anyone to believe that or not. I watched the vid and made a valid comment that basicly the guy was slow. If you would like to pop down for the day and watch me at work,bring yout stopwatch if you like ;D. If it means so much then come on down to Brizzy the price is right,i'll even buy ya a brekkie :P
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I agree
Think of it this way ,if you work at that speed and you are getting Advised that the bloke is slow then its up to you to believe it or not but if the Advise is correct don't you think that maybe you should be asking how to speed up rather than disbelieve ?
Look at the video again and think where is he wasting time .
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People worry about what other people ate doing too much....
Does it matter how quick he cleans a window?
If hes happy with what he earns, and the custie is happy with the job he does then jobs a good 'un....
If hes new, he'll get quicker.....
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I love the way people criticise the video but are not prepared to put one up themselves.
If you're good then show us how good you are!
Obviously you won't, because we've all got our little secrets we don't want to share with each other!
And naturally we don't want the p*ss ripped out of us. Which will happen ;D
Like what happened to this guy!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syqHU6x7Jac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syqHU6x7Jac)
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I'd do that quicker trad ;D
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How about this for technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyU4GrBTefg
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I will try and do a vid tomorrow, think every one should
would be good to see every body's method.
Try for similar house in op.
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Yeah yeah yeah. " I could make a video, but don't have time/can't be bothered/why would I..... etc"
All the harsh critics will never make a video themselves as it will either show how poor of a job they would have to do to make those times viable, or actually that they are telling porkie pies.
On a house that size I would expect it take about 15 minutes or just under. But some of you say you could do it in less than 5?
Seeing is believing.
The video I'm going to link isn't a video that was created to show technique but rather a clamp less pole, so the technique shouldn't be criticised. but having said that, it's the fastest WFP window cleaning I can find on youtube, so is a good example fit for purpose.
It takes MR foggy 2 and a half minutes to clean the front of this house. And there is less windows on this house than the OP's video.
So to put that into perspective you "speed cleaners" would have to clean FASTER than MR foggy is on this video to match your so called times.
No frames are cleaned in this video either, so I stick to my original claims that you cannot do a thorough job while being as fast as some of you all claim.
You can have super speed, or quality as fast as you can. Choices have to be made.
Here's the vid;
http://youtu.be/Kidu9wUtBPM (http://youtu.be/Kidu9wUtBPM)
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Jonny that video was done many years ago and like you said it was done to show a new product and not a video on how to clean windows. It takes less time including the frames than it was done in the video. There is lots of people doing it, some not so far from you. Why not try and find out who they are and go and find out how you could be doing the same thing, instead of saying it can't be done? I can assure you quite categorically an average 3 bed semi can be done easily in 5 minutes. And would be done to the same standard as you will be doing them just now, and I am not talking about bursting any blood vessels in the process.
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Good flow and on a maintenance clean i would clean that house
under 10 mins
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Jonny that video was done many years ago and like you said it was done to show a new product and not a video on how to clean windows. It takes less time including the frames than it was done in the video. There is lots of people doing it, some not so far from you. Why not try and find out who they are and go and find out how you could be doing the same thing, instead of saying it can't be done? I can assure you quite categorically an average 3 bed semi can be done easily in 5 minutes. And would be done to the same standard as you will be doing them just now, and I am not talking about bursting any blood vessels in the process.
I'm all for the learning peter. Honestly I'm not saying it can't be done, just that why can't someone do a video of it? Or explain even?
I wasn't showing that video as if that was your technique, just that your video is the quickest I could find an example of.
Of the original posters video how long could it take to do that house?
My brain can't comprehend doing a 3 bed semi in 5 minutes including all frames and the results being good. Lol
Need to see an example!
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3 Bedroom house in 5 minutes?
I've heard some ludicrous claims on this forum but that beats the lot.
And to cap it all, that's without 'bursting a blood vessel'. And to further cap it all, it can be 'easily done' in five minutes.
So how quick would it take if the person was to burst a blood vessel and hurry?
2 minutes? 3 minutes?
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To be honest it takes me longer to unwind and wind up the hose than to clean the windows.
But most average 3 bed properties take about 10 mins.
A light pole and brush will speed things up, I never worry about flow even with a low flow
rate you will use more than enough water to remove all the dirt.
Yes there will be things like bird muck and snail marks that can slow you up at times.
The brush used on the first video was way to heavy causing the pole to become bendy.
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Ross I am sure they said something similar before there was a man on the moon :)
Jonny why not ask on here if anyone is up for it? I know at least one person that has posted on this thread that's not very far from you that would probably be up for it. I also know he works very efficiently.
People get criticised on videos so you can't blame people for maybe not wanting to show how they work. You can't see the close up's on the glass so the doubters just say "too fast can't be done properly". The guy in that video at the start could welcome the criticism if he had any sense, and find out how he can work faster. He probably thinks he is the fastest.
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Ross I am sure they said something similar before there was a man on the moon :)
Jonny why not ask on here if anyone is up for it? I know at least one person that has posted on this thread that's not very far from you that would probably be up for it. I also know he works very efficiently.
People get criticised on videos so you can't blame people for maybe not wanting to show how they work. You can't see the close up's on the glass so the doubters just say "too fast can't be done properly". The guy in that video at the start could welcome the criticism if he had any sense, and find out how he can work faster. He probably thinks he is the fastest.
Who and how close?
I'm in south lanarkshire. :)
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Jonny just had a look on the map and didn't realise how far down S. Lanarkshire went. Probably less than a 1 hour drive buy worthwhile I would say. Lets see if he offers first, I wouldn't want to put something on someone who may not be into it.
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Jonny just had a look on the map and didn't realise how far down S. Lanarkshire went. Probably less than a 1 hour drive buy worthwhile I would say. Lets see if he offers first, I wouldn't want to put something on someone who may not be into it.
Ah ok,
To be honest I think even if I saw how you guys clean at these speeds I wouldn't have the confidence to do it on my customers.
All it takes is a quick email or post here describing step by step the technique. Then I would test it on my own windows and some commercial I do test I get to see the results from the inside.
I'm all about the learning. But Don't feel I need to physically be with someone as there cleaning super duper fast.
This has got me intrigued though.
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It depends how you work but probably the easiest most productive thing to try that doesn't need and step by step guide is having your water up full and spending half the time you normally do on the glass. Try it time yourself on a bottom window and do the one next to it on full power at half the time. Check the results. It does depend on a few things but do that simple test.
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If I can sort someone to film me or balance my iPhone lol I will do a video. Nothing to hide at all.
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You may be able to clean windows in midsummer in five minutes when removing a few dust particles. However, since Christmas I've had to double scrub everything down my way and the dirt still isn't coming off and that's with hot water!
The original vid shows a very strange technique I must say. All that wiggling and waggling - what's the point in that? Didn't watch the whole film but he did seem slower than my normal way of cleaning. Also all that pole adjustment suggests he could be new.
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Most people with reasonable WFP exerience could do a house very quickly if access was good etc. It's possible to fly around an do a basic house in perhaps 10 minutes. However, my point is that I wouldn't want to. I see no point in working that fast and knackering myself. Just a constant, fairly brisk pace is fine. Don't see the point in racing and being worn out after a couple of hours.
Having said that, the pace in the original video was excruciatingly slow. I would need to at least double my prices if I worked like that.
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You may be able to clean windows in midsummer in five minutes when removing a few dust particles. However, since Christmas I've had to double scrub everything down my way and the dirt still isn't coming off and that's with hot water!
The original vid shows a very strange technique I must say. All that wiggling and waggling - what's the point in that? Didn't watch the whole film but he did seem slower than my normal way of cleaning. Also all that pole adjustment suggests he could be new.
Me too. In particular windows below gutter ends are taking a lot more work. It doesn't help that my work is mostly 8 weekly.
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In terms of time actually spent on the glass, a man with a squeegee could clean that house in less than 10 minutes if he didn't have to move and climb ladders. Time spent on the glass with wfp and squeegee/mop is probably about the same. In my opinion, cleaning that house in 8-10 minutes is about right.
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Who and how close?
I'm in south lanarkshire. :)
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Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be
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crikey that's quick gives me something to think about. do you rinse on the glass that's not a criticism just trying to improve my technique. regards brian
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Thank you for the video paul.
I honestly take about 2 mayb 3 times longer than you.
One thing I noticed is that you don't really rinse much? Do you use a very high flow rate?
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WOW...now that's quick.
What make backpack is that Paul? Is that on FULL flow?
If I ever get that quick, I'll be working half-day every day ;D.
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Who and how close?
I'm in south lanarkshire. :)
Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be
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A bit quicker than me. Not much quicker, but I am 8 weekly. I clean the side of the frames in the same strokes along with the glass so it may look as though I am not doing them at all. The top frame and top of the glass get extra attention and I rinse more - especially at the moment as most windows are pretty bad with grit. A lot from the gutters I think.
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Fair play.
We certainly dont go that quick.
Makes a differnce that we work 6-8 weekly.
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crikey that's quick gives me something to think about. do you rinse on the glass that's not a criticism just trying to improve my technique. regards brian
Hi Brian, depends on the glass if the water flows rinse on
If the water beads rinse off the glass.
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Thank you for the video paul.
I honestly take about 2 mayb 3 times longer than you.
One thing I noticed is that you don't really rinse much? Do you use a very high flow rate?
Hi Jonny, when the windows rinsed it's rinsed, I work with
the pump full speed, it's hard to see in vid but when the glass
sheets I'm confident they will be fine.
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WOW...now that's quick.
What make backpack is that Paul? Is that on FULL flow?
If I ever get that quick, I'll be working half-day every day ;D.
It's a shurflo, but insides ripped out and I have put another
switch in wired straight to the pump, doing one for another windy
round our way can vid and show you if your interested.
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Cheers paul
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WOW...now that's quick.
What make backpack is that Paul? Is that on FULL flow?
If I ever get that quick, I'll be working half-day every day ;D.
It's a shurflo, but insides ripped out and I have put another
switch in wired straight to the pump, doing one for another windy
round our way can vid and show you if your interested.
Yup...I'd be interested in seeing a video on that Paul, nice one...cheers.
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About same speed as me,if anything a wee bit faster than me. I would price that house at around £13 to £15 without conny. It took this bloke less than 2 mins for front.
Do the maths,even if you added on 1 min per side your looking at around £300 per day,anyone earning lower than £250 per day on residential needs to look at what actually they are doing wrong
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Who and how close?
I'm in south lanarkshire. :)
Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be
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Slightly quicker than myself,i use a backpack but sod wearing on back
i pick up put down by lid as needed.
On most 4 weekly maintenance cleans and especially on new builds
as long as i have a good flow i rarely rinse
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Yer, that's pretty quick but some of the glass looks like it's being missed at the bottom of the pane and in the corners. Fair enough if the glass is practically clean anyway but a lot of it is getting one brush stroke only. I can't clean like that at the moment I'm still scrubbing out spiders nests and scrubbing storm debris off. Once the snails wake up again things will be different too.
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I feel the same to be honest. I know if I cleaned my own windows like that the results would be too far from perfect for me.
Everywhere needs two passes with the brush, then a decent rinse.
Even when I've done that sometimes I can see spotting and marks, so if I just did one pass the results would be worse.
I've definitely learned from that video and in going to try test things out to speed up.
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Yer, that's pretty quick but some of the glass looks like it's being missed at the bottom of the pane and in the corners. Fair enough if the glass is practically clean anyway but a lot of it is getting one brush stroke only. I can't clean like that at the moment I'm still scrubbing out spiders nests and scrubbing storm debris off. Once the snails wake up again things will be different too.
Hi Dave, there was no glass missed ;) that was a 4 weekly clean so glass
wouldn't be particularly dirty but as a rule of thumb 2 max 3 times longer on
first cleans, spiders nests takes a flick/swipe with the brush Imo, bird muck
for me is the only issue but a few taps of the brush usually takes care of that
if not leave to soak while doing the rest of the windows and return to it where 9/10
times it comes off with ease. Not sure about storm debris thankfully but did a new
estate where for months every time we went there was thick black soot over all windows
and frames we used to quickly go over all windows then go back over we found this the
quickest way to clean it off.
The hardest thing is learning other people to work efficiently for example a guy
who was working with us not so long ago who was a good worker, fast, reliable,
he was keeping up with the other boys after a few weeks but complaints were
coming thick and fast, I kept taking him through the process, telling him to slow down
but for what ever reason we kept getting complaints water marks, snail trails, webs ect.
He got another job and complaints stopped, I think the most important thing is to check
window for snail trail, bird muck, webs ect before wetting window which takes 1-2 seconds
on approach sometimes you don't see these things while cleaning.
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Yer, that's pretty quick but some of the glass looks like it's being missed at the bottom of the pane and in the corners. Fair enough if the glass is practically clean anyway but a lot of it is getting one brush stroke only. I can't clean like that at the moment I'm still scrubbing out spiders nests and scrubbing storm debris off. Once the snails wake up again things will be different too.
Hi Dave, there was no glass missed ;) that was a 4 weekly clean so glass
wouldn't be particularly dirty but as a rule of thumb 2 max 3 times longer on
first cleans, spiders nests takes a flick/swipe with the brush Imo, bird muck
for me is the only issue but a few taps of the brush usually takes care of that
if not leave to soak while doing the rest of the windows and return to it where 9/10
times it comes off with ease. Not sure about storm debris thankfully but did a new
estate where for months every time we went there was thick black soot over all windows
and frames we used to quickly go over all windows then go back over we found this the
quickest way to clean it off.
The hardest thing is learning other people to work efficiently for example a guy
who was working with us not so long ago who was a good worker, fast, reliable,
he was keeping up with the other boys after a few weeks but complaints were
coming thick and fast, I kept taking him through the process, telling him to slow down
but for what ever reason we kept getting complaints water marks, snail trails, webs ect.
He got another job and complaints stopped, I think the most important thing is to check
window for snail trail, bird muck, webs ect before wetting window which takes 1-2 seconds
on approach sometimes you don't see these things while cleaning.
Out of curiosity paul how many complaints do you get in general? Or lost customers?
I never get complaints. But I know that I do over clean windows, so I want to try and speed up.
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I feel the same to be honest. I know if I cleaned my own windows like that the results would be too far from perfect for me.
Everywhere needs two passes with the brush, then a decent rinse.
Even when I've done that sometimes I can see spotting and marks, so if I just did one pass the results would be worse.
I've definitely learned from that video and in going to try test things out to speed up.
Not every window is the same some need 1,2,3,4 passes that's a decision you make at the
time if you notice in the vid I spend more time on the bottom right windows because they
needed it, a rinse is a rinse, clean is clean, Imo if you look at the glass and see anything that looks like
brush strokes there's a chance you will get water marks if you don't you won't.
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Good point that paul.
At the minute I use exactly the same technique for every pane of glass.
2 passes along the top edge
2 full scrubs of the whole pane
Scrub of the bottom edge
Then a good off the glass rinse.
It's a fool proof technique with great results. But I'm Sure I could do far less and get the same results.
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Out of curiosity paul how many complaints do you get in general? Or lost customers?
I never get complaints. But I know that I do over clean windows, so I want to try and speed up.
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Complaints come generally when a new guy comes out, it was me and two established
guys for a few months there and had no complaints, I always aim for no complaints
but feel its how you deal with them that counts don't be so cautious/slow to not
get complaints just make sure you deal with them efficiently.
If we get more than two complaints a week i'm not happy and find taking the boys
back a must to find out what went wrong works well.
If its me who's messed up I keep it to myself ;D
we always pick up more custy's than lost .
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Good point that paul.
At the minute I use exactly the same technique for every pane of glass.
2 passes along the top edge
2 full scrubs of the whole pane
Scrub of the bottom edge
Then a good off the glass rinse.
It's a fool proof technique with great results. But I'm Sure I could do far less and get the same results.
You could, the rinsing off the glass every time will be costing you loads
only when the window beads Imo is this necessary.
The top edge will cost you too, to be honest I keep away from the top/vent
unless I can see they need cleaned which I find is only once or twice a year
depending on circumstances, obviously don't wait and do them all at once
spread them out through the year some never get dirty.
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I work in a similar way myself Paul, cant understand why some people think you need gallons of water coming
out of the hose like a power washer to clean a window but each to their own.
Do you find carrying that backpack around all day is hard on your back ?
The reason I ask is I'm sick of winding hoses in and out plus having them snag on everything going.
Could I also ask what type of brush where you using.
Great job.
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I work in a similar way myself Paul, cant understand why some people think you need gallons of water coming
out of the hose like a power washer to clean a window but each to their own.
Do you find carrying that backpack around all day is hard on your back ?
The reason I ask is I'm sick of winding hoses in and out plus having them snag on everything going.
Could I also ask what type of brush where you using.
Great job.
Hi Sean, Thanks, I have never had a problem with the backpack, the guys
who work with me are a good few stone lighter than me 10/11 stone and
they have the option to use backpack or trolley but choose b/p every time
we have had big guys out who couldn't hack it but i find if they last 2/3 weeks
they prefer b/p, as for the brush gardiners sill.
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Paul, thanks for the reply think ill invest in one.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQaWr7Td-Uc
There you go, this is me cleaning a bungalow conservatory that backs on to the sea front.
Don't pull me pants down and spank me lol.
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Yes Paul it was you I was thinking of, and thought you might offer, thanks.
Peter
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Who and how close?
I'm in south lanarkshire. :)
Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be
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Doesn't look to me like anyone is bursting a blood vessel and running about like a loony:) 2 minutes for the front of that house and that looks like a 3-4 bed detached not even a 3 bed semi that we usually talk about. Even if Paul deliberately slowed right down he would still easily do a 3 bed semi in 5 minutes. People may be happy with the money they earn but what's the point in being out double the time working? Or earning half the money they could be in the same amount of time? We work to live, not live to work.
Peter
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You will alaways be slower than the video of Paul if you are cleaning all the frame as well as the window. The top edge of the frames was not touched in that video, where I am based you can see a visible layer of dirt even on a 4 weekly clean on the top edge of the upvc. Each to there own. Nice to see some videos for a change.
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Who and how close?
I'm in south lanarkshire. :)
Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be
Doesn't look to me like anyone is bursting a blood vessel and running about like a loony:) 2 minutes for the front of that house and that looks like a 3-4 bed detached not even a 3 bed semi that we usually talk about. Even if Paul deliberately slowed right down he would still easily do a 3 bed semi in 5 minutes. People may be happy with the money they earn but what's the point in being out double the time working? Or earning half the money they could be in the same amount of time? We work to live, not live to work.
Peter
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Thanks Peter. :)
It's just a quality issue for me. Every window I do, I always do the top frame every clean. That way after a few cleans you can guarantee no dirty runs etc, and guarantees a good job.
I'm going to need to do some testing on different windows to see just how quick I can work and achieve good results.
I've always been a firm believer that the most important part of the technique is the final rinse, every time you brush upwards on the glass you are pushing dirt up too, so you need the final rinse to flush everything down. (Or so I've always believed) ???
Possibly Back to the drawing board for me. ;D
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The only thing that was missed was the top frame and what everyone seems to pick up on. That's a personally thing and Paul for a reason he gave missed it out. If he hadn't missed it out how long would it have added? 5 seconds?
Like Paul also says the window gets what it needs, just like traditional. Sometimes you may have to concentrate on a certain bit of glass due to finger prints or whatever but you suss that out while approaching the glass. A mechanic doesn't renew every part in the car when the starter motor is broken, just like we can't clean every bit of glass as though it was covered in birds muck or sea salt.
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You get good and bad mechanics tho dont you Peter both not replacing everything but the job they do is totally different.
The top edge of the frame is the most important as this is the edge that collects all the dirt. If I advertised that I cleaned ALL your frames each time I called, thats exactly what I would and do give my customers. I pick up so much work from window cleaners that I have seen with my own eyes who clean windows so quickly with water fed pole missing important parts and leaving the customer with a poor finish its amazing.
Anyway crack on you speed merchants. :-*
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David my point was that whether or not the top frame was done is irrelevant as it would add 5 seconds or so to the time it took. The ethics of cleaning the top frame is for a completely different post, and I deliberately never got into it here because its irrelevant to this post.
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You get good and bad mechanics tho dont you Peter both not replacing everything but the job they do is totally different.
The top edge of the frame is the most important as this is the edge that collects all the dirt. If I advertised that I cleaned ALL your frames each time I called, thats exactly what I would and do give my customers. I pick up so much work from window cleaners that I have seen with my own eyes who clean windows so quickly with water fed pole missing important parts and leaving the customer with a poor finish its amazing.
Anyway crack on you speed merchants. :-*
So because some one is quicker than you the job isn't done right?
The top edge the most important, really?
I wasn't going fast that is my working speed I could go faster and leave
a perfect job, if you clean the tops every time good for you ;)imo pointless.
Clean is clean is it not?
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Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast.
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Technically the top frame stays much cleaner than the bottom frame as it's far more protected.
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Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast.
Yes Paul you need to raise your game, your getting twice as much work done as these guys and not loosing any customers.
What the hell are you thinking.
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Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast.
There are always the doubters. I have seen very slow window cleaners leave windows in a mess. David you wouldn't be any competition for Paul because you would have to charge 3 times the amount Paul charges, for the same results :)
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So technically mention should be made of the fact that you only clean the top edge of a frame once or twice a year when advertising for new work via websites etc. Correct?
Why compare speeds of cleaning when the original video cleans most of the frame (not the vent area if you notice) and Pauls video shows him cleaning from the top edge of the GLASS down over. Both videos DO NOT show a complete frame clean. IMO.
I AM NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYONE, just pointing out the different standards of cleaning.
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Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast.
Yes Paul you need to raise your game, your getting twice as much work done as these guys and not loosing any customers.
What the hell are you thinking.
Read some back posts Sean.
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Thank you Peter, you have confirmed what I was thinking. We actually take twice as long but charge double what one of our fellow cleaners charges. The plus side is we never have any quality complaints and are building at a rapid pace. I rest my case.
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So technically mention should be made of the fact that you only clean the top edge of a frame once or twice a year when advertising for new work via websites etc. Correct?
Why compare speeds of cleaning when the original video cleans most of the frame (not the vent area if you notice) and Pauls video shows him cleaning from the top edge of the GLASS down over. Both videos DO NOT show a complete frame clean. IMO.
I AM NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYONE, just pointing out the different standards of cleaning.
How much work are you getting Dave due to the fact you advertise all the frames cleaned every time? Would Paul be lying if he advertised frames cleaned? I wouldn't say so. And aren't you getting the fact that had he done the top frame it would have added 5 seconds?
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I have always said as a rule window cleaners here and even in the USA make roughly the same hourly wage. Now because here we are on the low end of the price per house we have to be fast. We have to clean to the same standard but we have to be fast. Now the thing that gets me is why does someone on the high end of the price range doesn't work like someone in the low end and make much more money, or work much less hours? Instead they wish to think that they are much better window cleaners, and that the faster cleaners are not giving the customer the service they should.
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Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast.
I do advertise I clean the frames every time and i do ;)
but again clean is clean if there's no dirt there's no dirt if i approach a house and the top is dirty
I clean it, as for competition there's plenty but my perfect results keep me ahead.
To be honest its not the first time we've had a complaint and I have went
round and the cust'y has said i'm not happy with the clean I ask why,
can you show me the issue and after checking every window and frame
and not finding anything they tell me we are to quick ::)roll
which I reply in the nicest way possible if at any point your windows
are not clean we will redo them with in 24 hrs and say good bye.
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ALOT of work! We advertise that we clean ALL the frame, I actually highlight that on our leaflets, every time, so that is what we give the customer. We clean the garage door everytime too. If I said Zero to 3 full time vans in 3 years with a forth starting in May you would agree thats pretty rapid.
With regard to the top edge of the frame, IF only cleaned once or twice a year it WOULD take more than 5 seconds to retain good glass results on such an infrequency, certainly where I live. It may be different in your area. We dont have the luxury of fresh air here. :(
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Thank you Peter, you have confirmed what I was thinking. We actually take twice as long but charge double what one of our fellow cleaners charges. The plus side is we never have any quality complaints and are building at a rapid pace. I rest my case.
David, I guarantee that I was the slowest and most o.c.d window cleaner on here at one time.
The fact was that I was the only one losing out and it doesn't matter what you charge.
If you take twice as long as needed then your losing out.
If the top of the frame looks clean then the customer isn't going to complain.
I tell the customers that their frames will be left clean not that I will clean them every time.
I cleaned my own home today in 5 mins just to see what they would look like, I'm not lying when I say that
at times I have spend half an hour cleaning them and the results were worse.
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Paul I think its all to do with area. We could not get away with missing the top of frames as even some of our weekly work sometimes is heavily soiled!
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ALOT of work! We advertise that we clean ALL the frame, I actually highlight that on our leaflets, every time, so that is what we give the customer. We clean the garage door everytime too. If I said Zero to 3 full time vans in 3 years with a forth starting in May you would agree thats pretty rapid.
With regard to the top edge of the frame, IF only cleaned once or twice a year it WOULD take more than 5 seconds to retain good glass results on such an infrequency, certainly where I live. It may be different in your area. We dont have the luxury of fresh air here. :(
I agree area will make a difference, and a good cleaner can build rapid anywhere if
I wasn't thinking of going to aus and starting again I could be a lot bigger than i
am just now the brakes went on a while ago but if I don't go the competition
round my way will be in trouble ;D
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Watch the dust on the top of the frames out in AUS! and the croc's
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Watch the dust on the top of the frames out in AUS! and the croc's
Sharks, spiders,jelly fish ;D
It defiantly has its down side ;D
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Technically the top frame stays much cleaner than the bottom frame as it's far more protected.
Sorry, but that just is not true, and it is for the same reasons that i KNOW rain does not make your windows dirty. If i go to a customers house and it has been a pretty wild month weather wise, but there has been heavy rain recently, the top of the windows that have been facing the rain (and therefore also the top of the frame) are ALWAYS much dirtier than the rest of the window. This is because of the overhang above the window shelters the top of it, preventing the rain getting on there to wash away the worst of the dirt.
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Technically the top frame stays much cleaner than the bottom frame as it's far more protected.
Sorry, but that just is not true, and it is for the same reasons that i KNOW rain does not make your windows dirty. If i go to a customers house and it has been a pretty wild month weather wise, but there has been heavy rain recently, the top of the windows that have been facing the rain (and therefore also the top of the frame) are ALWAYS much dirtier than the rest of the window. This is because of the overhang above the window shelters the top of it, preventing the rain getting on there to wash away the worst of the dirt.
but that's not all the time, generally where I work the tops don't get dirty.
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This is the most I have took part in any post and its been good, pretty sad ;D
but would be great to see more vids in general.
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The only time i see top frames dirty on a regular basis is
on houses on busy roads
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Technically the top frame stays much cleaner than the bottom frame as it's far more protected.
Sorry, but that just is not true, and it is for the same reasons that i KNOW rain does not make your windows dirty. If i go to a customers house and it has been a pretty wild month weather wise, but there has been heavy rain recently, the top of the windows that have been facing the rain (and therefore also the top of the frame) are ALWAYS much dirtier than the rest of the window. This is because of the overhang above the window shelters the top of it, preventing the rain getting on there to wash away the worst of the dirt.
It's a really good point that.
If you look at any window that is dirty,the majority of dirt is at the top of the glass, because the rAin doesn't hit that part to rinse off the worst dirt.
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I was talking about in general, and not in all cases. What about the heavy rain bouncing off the window sill and the splash back hitting the bottom of the glass?
David a lot has to do with the area like you said, and also I bet the fact that you are expanding is more to do with your area than the fact that you clean the top frame.
I have spoken to and met tons of window cleaners from all over the UK and can tell you that Paul lives in one of the hardest places to pick up new work. Its that difficult that professional canvassing companies charge more to canvass in Pauls area.
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Been reading this thread with great interest and i would like to know if "Speed is related to area"
I have seen how people from all over the UK clean windows and i think it still boils down to north vs south.
If you are in the likes of Nottingham and the average price is £8 for a 3 bed semi, then you are gonna have to clean quickly.
So your argument is i could earn a lot more if i speed up. I dont think i could. I think if i turned up to your average 3 bed semi house for £14 - £16 (old style houses) and was there around 10 mins or less (setup to pack away and cleaning) i think you would get sacked down here.
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You think you would but you wouldn't, well unless you never cleaned their windows properly. I started off cleaning windows in Jersey many years ago probably one of the highest priced places in the UK. I worked for the biggest company in St Helier, and worked with a few different people. I seen right away that every single one of them was wasting masses of time, and me being me looked for ways to cut down the time on each job. We were paid a healthy commission, and the more we done the more we were paid. I was young at the time and enjoyed the free time on the beach etc so wanted to be less time cleaning windows and more time on the beach. Did I loose any customers? No not any more than any the other worker in fact probably less. Because I wasn't just like a robot like the other workers there, working the same was as a useless guy who trained me. I had my mind open to not just working faster but also working better. I could also work out ways of making the windows better cleaned than the other window cleaners were cleaning them. The boss was happy, the customers were happy, I was happy. The customers were not paying any more money than they were before. The boss often got a days wage from me when often he got a half days wage from others because of rain etc. I mostly got a full weeks work done even if it rained half the week. Now I can assure you that's not someone who gets sacked.
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I cleaned my windows yesterday. They were last cleaned about a month ago, but with the storms they were minging. Normally I take my time when I clean them, but yesterday I cleaned them quickly including a brush over the the vents. No more than a quick brush really, but I always clean the top frame. Water on 100%.
They were really quite good. There were a couple of very minor runs under the vents. But unless you were studying each window carefully, the result was very passable.
I have 12 windows, patio doors and two other doors. I didn't time it, but it was quick. No more than 6 or 7 minutes on the glass. If I quoted the house I would charge £17.
If I had to pull up outside and all the rest, 10/12 minutes max.
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I think a lot to do with time is confidence to know when a window is clean and move on to the next one. Obviously lots of other factors come into it as well, brush flow rate etc, etc, but nearly every wfp window cleaner I have seen working uses more water than needed and spends much more time than needed trying to clean a clean window. I have advised people in the past to clean a window that they are going to be doing the inside of as normal and do the one next to it in half the time, when inside examine them closely and see if there is a difference. Like I say other factors come into play and like was mentioned previously you should know exactly what a window needs before you even touch it. There has been many discussions over the years and in many different places about what make a good professional window cleaner and that is one of them. You have to adapt quickly to the environment your working in, just because a house is done in 5 minutes doesn't mean every house is done in 5 minutes. If one is really dirty as maybe it's a 2 monthly, or there's been a storm, it may take 6 minutes and a little extra water. Its all about knowing what's needed before you even start, and having the confidence to move on when the window has had enough. To stand at a window for a set amount of time to make sure you cover every eventuality is ludicrous, and will be costing you vast amounts of time and money in the year.
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I think a lot to do with time is confidence to know when a window is clean and move on to the next one. Obviously lots of other factors come into it as well, brush flow rate etc, etc, but nearly every wfp window cleaner I have seen working uses more water than needed and spends much more time than needed trying to clean a clean window. I have advised people in the past to clean a window that they are going to be doing the inside of as normal and do the one next to it in half the time, when inside examine them closely and see if there is a difference. Like I say other factors come into play and like was mentioned previously you should know exactly what a window needs before you even touch it. There has been many discussions over the years and in many different places about what make a good professional window cleaner and that is one of them. You have to adapt quickly to the environment your working in, just because a house is done in 5 minutes doesn't mean every house is done in 5 minutes. If one is really dirty as maybe it's a 2 monthly, or there's been a storm, it may take 6 minutes and a little extra water. Its all about knowing what's needed before you even start, and having the confidence to move on when the window has had enough. To stand at a window for a set amount of time to make sure you cover every eventuality is ludicrous, and will be costing you vast amounts of time and money in the year.
with you all the way on this pete.....i want to have your children :D :D :-*
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I think a lot to do with time is confidence to know when a window is clean and move on to the next one. Obviously lots of other factors come into it as well, brush flow rate etc, etc, but nearly every wfp window cleaner I have seen working uses more water than needed and spends much more time than needed trying to clean a clean window. I have advised people in the past to clean a window that they are going to be doing the inside of as normal and do the one next to it in half the time, when inside examine them closely and see if there is a difference. Like I say other factors come into play and like was mentioned previously you should know exactly what a window needs before you even touch it. There has been many discussions over the years and in many different places about what make a good professional window cleaner and that is one of them. You have to adapt quickly to the environment your working in, just because a house is done in 5 minutes doesn't mean every house is done in 5 minutes. If one is really dirty as maybe it's a 2 monthly, or there's been a storm, it may take 6 minutes and a little extra water. Its all about knowing what's needed before you even start, and having the confidence to move on when the window has had enough. To stand at a window for a set amount of time to make sure you cover every eventuality is ludicrous, and will be costing you vast amounts of time and money in the year.
with you all the way on this pete.....i want to have your children :D :D :-*
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Interesting reading this. After this thread I speeded up and started to get complaints. But...... I also moved at the same time to fan jets and sill brush and I am pretty certain that my incorrect technique with them was causing the issues. I will have another experiment I think. :-\
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Let us know how it goes in another 6 months ;).