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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pj on October 15, 2013, 05:49:32 pm
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I have read a lot in the past but whats the latest consensus of opinion?
Is hot really better? If so which method, gas or diesel run? Which model is most popular?
Thanks for any input
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definitely better cleaning with hot .... quicker for a start . i use lpg . with a boiler in the back its the cheapest option. i bet most on here run this way
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i only use hot on very cold days have an immersion heater fitted in tank plug into mains for 5 hours water at 55degreeskeeps hose soft and the back of van from freezing no messing with LPG cost me 150 for a good plumber
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For me hot is best using 3-4 years now winter and summer just find it quicker less hard work increases my daily productivity
Diesel plumbed into the the vans tanks
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If you haven't yet experienced working with warm water in cold weather conditions, then you're in for a real treat. It will be the only time that you'll really appreciate exerting yourself with a flaccid hose.
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I think latest consensus of opinion will be that its worth it (from all the people who use it ;D)
I however, don't
I manage quite happily without a hot water system or even any heater system in van overnight during the winter (street parked) and have done so for over 7 years.
That is only my opinion though and maybe not valid as I have never used one.
would be interesting to see if anyone has bought/built a hot water system and considered it not worth it ?
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I think latest consensus of opinion will be that its worth it (from all the people who use it ;D)
I however, don't
I manage quite happily without a hot water system or even any heater system in van overnight during the winter (street parked) and have done so for over 7 years.
That is only my opinion though and maybe not valid as I have never used one.
would be interesting to see if anyone has bought/built a hot water system and considered it not worth it ?
there is managing to get through those freezing cold days... and there is enjoying working through them :P
I cant imagine how amazing it will be when your get a few drops of water down your sleeve and its hot instead of cold!!
and them soft hoses that reel in nicely instead of staying firm and getting tangled.
as soon as I have some money I will be going hot it will be the best £200 I will spend
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Hot is DEFINITELY worth it - and not just for the winter. The extra cleaning power and easier to control hoses are major benefits all year round.
If you can park near your house, an immersion heater can be installed for less than £100 and is a brilliant way to get started.
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No never had any problems. Buy good equipment and you will have no trouble.
I do know of a window cleaner who not only popped one window but two on the same house in quite mild conditions.
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i have to say hot now, i just bought a lpg water heater ;)
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I think latest consensus of opinion will be that its worth it (from all the people who use it ;D)
I however, don't
I manage quite happily without a hot water system or even any heater system in van overnight during the winter (street parked) and have done so for over 7 years.
That is only my opinion though and maybe not valid as I have never used one.
would be interesting to see if anyone has bought/built a hot water system and considered it not worth it ?
there is managing to get through those freezing cold days... and there is enjoying working through them :P
I cant imagine how amazing it will be when your get a few drops of water down your sleeve and its hot instead of cold!!
and them soft hoses that reel in nicely instead of staying firm and getting tangled.
as soon as I have some money I will be going hot it will be the best £200 I will spend
as soon as I have some money I'll be booking a snowboard holiday,
hot waters for pansies :P :-X ;D
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I think latest consensus of opinion will be that its worth it (from all the people who use it ;D)
I however, don't
I manage quite happily without a hot water system or even any heater system in van overnight during the winter (street parked) and have done so for over 7 years.
That is only my opinion though and maybe not valid as I have never used one.
would be interesting to see if anyone has bought/built a hot water system and considered it not worth it ?
there is managing to get through those freezing cold days... and there is enjoying working through them :P
I cant imagine how amazing it will be when your get a few drops of water down your sleeve and its hot instead of cold!!
and them soft hoses that reel in nicely instead of staying firm and getting tangled.
as soon as I have some money I will be going hot it will be the best £200 I will spend
as soon as I have some money I'll be booking a snowboard holiday,
hot waters for pansies :P :-X ;D
well when your going snowboarding i will book my luxary 5 star for next summer ;) hahaha
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No never had any problems. Buy good equipment and you will have no trouble.
I do know of a window cleaner who not only popped one window but two on the same house in quite mild conditions.
He must of been abit daft if he cracked one window then thought ahh well nevermind i will carry on anyway... :(
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is thier any point in the summer :'(.i can see some benifits in the winter ;D.ps is it only £200 to buy n install ???
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is thier any point in the summer :'(.i can see some benifits in the winter ;D.ps is it only £200 to buy n install ???
I prefer using hot in the summer as to winter,
In winter you can only use luke warm water so you dont crack glass, and has not cleaning benifit its just to stop water freezing. ( if its too cold the water will still freeze on the glass )
In summer when the windows have more fly/ spider/ bee spots plus sun baked bird pooh etc, using hot has a cleaning benifit.
From an all year round hot user for the last 5 or 6 years.
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richard its not just £200 though is it?you have to upgrade your hoses and connectors and certain reels plus the cost of gas or diesel and the extra faffing about.
for me i cant seem to bring myself to buy a hot system although the immersion heater element sounds appealing for winter use.id have to get a plumber in to do it for me though as id probably make a mess of my tank! :)
i have no problems using cold all year round.its cheaper and less faffing around.the only thing i dont like is the stiffer hoses on very cold days!! ;D ;D
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Daz - I used the same hoses, reels & connectors for hot & had no issues at all.
The running cost for gas is about £1 a day I found - and i'm told its about £1.30 a day for immersion heater systems.
Personally, if i was gong hot again I'd go for an immersion heater based system - its cheaper, simpler, quicker to install AND you don't have any worries/insurance hassle about carrying a gas bottle in the van.
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richard its not just £200 though is it?you have to upgrade your hoses and connectors and certain reels plus the cost of gas or diesel and the extra faffing about.
for me i cant seem to bring myself to buy a hot system although the immersion heater element sounds appealing for winter use.id have to get a plumber in to do it for me though as id probably make a mess of my tank! :)
i have no problems using cold all year round.its cheaper and less faffing around.the only thing i dont like is the stiffer hoses on very cold days!! ;D ;D
Dazmond,
What do you do with your van overnight? Put a heater inside? Or just let it freeze?
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oil filled radiator on overnight mate keeps my gear from freezing.
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After 5 yrs of working with cold water cant see me going hot i drop a 1kw aquarium in my static tank over night when its below freezing but that is it .
Hot water is no better than cold when its been snowing and you cant get off your drive or out of the street were you live ;D ;D . Mike
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where can i get an immersian heater
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richard its not just £200 though is it?you have to upgrade your hoses and connectors and certain reels plus the cost of gas or diesel and the extra faffing about.
for me i cant seem to bring myself to buy a hot system although the immersion heater element sounds appealing for winter use.id have to get a plumber in to do it for me though as id probably make a mess of my tank! :)
i have no problems using cold all year round.its cheaper and less faffing around.the only thing i dont like is the stiffer hoses on very cold days!! ;D ;D
Mr Dazmond,after i read your post, i know you are going to get a hot water system soon! why? you said in the past that you don't see the point the have a van mounted system, no need to have an extreme poles, what do you have now? ;) ;D i love your posts Daz,tell us when you get your hot water systems.... ;) ;D ;D
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No never had any problems. Buy good equipment and you will have no trouble.
I do know of a window cleaner who not only popped one window but two on the same house in quite mild conditions.
He must of been abit daft if he cracked one window then thought ahh well nevermind i will carry on anyway... :(
16 Panes in one frame.
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Thanks for input so far guys.
There are loads of side issues that get thrown up on the subject too, all interesting.
Must admit I am concerned about the venting issue with gas. I don't want to be leaving van doors open when working as someone could easily nick something of value like my packed lunch, most important bit of kit I carry.
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for the sake of a couple of hundred quid its got to be worth having ?
imagine conservatory roofs and facias how quickly you could blast off algae and water marks with hot water?
£200 and its there for years no matter how much you use it or not, and I wouldn't bother upgrading my hoses or connectors either tbh what's the worst that will happen? you have small leaks ? or abit of hot water might run down you sleeve(wich I would quite enjoy and have to stop myself stripping off and showering in some cold winter months) :o
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Ive got 2 fogwashes, 1 on each back door, but i have hardly used them tbh. I tried them on a couple of 1st cleans, but i DONT know if it was worth all the f about! (i could be wrong???) Got them incase of a bad winter a couple of years ago 4 freezing pipes etc. However i find my propex 2000 heater a far more essential tool for keeping everything warm on the van through the night, 4 on road parking, if u dont have a electric point.
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I was of the view....cold cleans just as good as hot for many years unto last winter....I can honest say I have really missed out....first cleans its a dream, the cleaning power of HOT pure water is a very big plus, when we have the cold weather just knowing you have hot water in the van is a plus and having supple pole/reel hoses makes life so much easyer....for me its 100% no brainer...get a hot water system
this is the one I got and total love it :)
http://www.windowcleaningequipment.co.uk/E-Z%20Heat%20System
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I was of the view....cold cleans just as good as hot for many years unto last winter....I can honest say I have really missed out....first cleans its a dream, the cleaning power of HOT pure water is a very big plus, when we have the cold weather just knowing you have hot water in the van is a plus and having supple pole/reel hoses makes life so much easyer....for me its 100% no brainer...get a hot water system
this is the one I got and total love it :)
http://www.windowcleaningequipment.co.uk/E-Z%20Heat%20System
I personally don't have a hot water system but do want one.
Some of the lads on here say it doesn't clean better ??? but that's like saying cleaning the dishes with cold water will be the same as hot? surely its far easier with hot water !!!!!
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I was of the view....cold cleans just as good as hot for many years unto last winter....I can honest say I have really missed out....first cleans its a dream, the cleaning power of HOT pure water is a very big plus, when we have the cold weather just knowing you have hot water in the van is a plus and having supple pole/reel hoses makes life so much easyer....for me its 100% no brainer...get a hot water system
this is the one I got and total love it :)
http://www.windowcleaningequipment.co.uk/E-Z%20Heat%20System
I personally don't have a hot water system but do want one.
Some of the lads on here say it doesn't clean better ??? but that's like saying cleaning the dishes with cold water will be the same as hot? surely its far easier with hot water !!!!!
Indeed hot cleans better than cold, like I said, I spent years saying no point in hot....but come the cold weather is a total dream 8)
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Thats good info mate, but have u had any probs cracking the glass with hot water in the winter or any other time? thanks m
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Thats good info mate, but have u had any probs cracking the glass with hot water in the winter or any other time? thanks m
In short no mate, you do have to be aware of what you are doing now that you have a gas in the van, I have been using the hot water in the summer for first cleans which I had to turn the temp down, and in the winter if very cold then you dont have it very hot, I total love my hot water and only cost £5 or £10 a week to run :) this is my system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52QsSAWz0Rc
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Poleman.... You must have OCD because i would eat my dinner off the floor in the van!!
What was used to "speedlining" the sides?
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Thats good info mate, but have u had any probs cracking the glass with hot water in the winter or any other time? thanks m
In short no mate, you do have to be aware of what you are doing now that you have a gas in the van, I have been using the hot water in the summer for first cleans which I had to turn the temp down, and in the winter if very cold then you dont have it very hot, I total love my hot water and only cost £5 or £10 a week to run :) this is my system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52QsSAWz0Rc
Love your setup.
Regards
lal
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I was of the view....cold cleans just as good as hot for many years unto last winter....I can honest say I have really missed out....first cleans its a dream, the cleaning power of HOT pure water is a very big plus, when we have the cold weather just knowing you have hot water in the van is a plus and having supple pole/reel hoses makes life so much easyer....for me its 100% no brainer...get a hot water system
this is the one I got and total love it :)
http://www.windowcleaningequipment.co.uk/E-Z%20Heat%20System
I personally don't have a hot water system but do want one.
Some of the lads on here say it doesn't clean better ??? but that's like saying cleaning the dishes with cold water will be the same as hot? surely its far easier with hot water !!!!!
washing dishes and washing windows not a great comparison really is it.
on my 4 weekly maintenance cleans hot would make no difference
where you only have to do the bare minimum to clean...i imagine
really filthy first cleans,conservatories etc especially in the summer whendirt can be hard baked onit would be advantageous
but in the winter apart from supple hoses and warm hands i dont see
an advantage cold water freezes as quick as cold and f its hitting the
ground and freezing virtually on contact i gve up..salting wouldnt be
option before anyone mentions it lots of my customers have fancy drives
and would have a fit if i was dumping salt everywhere.
saying all that i am thinking about installing a immersion heater
into a tank in the spring as im really going to start pushing con
and fascia cleans in the new year and can see the advantages with
this type of cleaning.
if someone could make a easily transportable hot system hat plugs
into a custies outside tap..i would be grateful :)
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has anyone gone for the diesel run heater? seems very expensive up against the L5 but safer?
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washing dishes and washing windows not a great comparison really is it.
on my 4 weekly maintenance cleans hot would make no difference
where you only have to do the bare minimum to clean...i imagine
really filthy first cleans,conservatories etc especially in the summer whendirt can be hard baked onit would be advantageous
Couldn't agree more. I don't use hot water but cant see it improving the cleaning power of cold on nearly clean maintenance clean windows.
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Having a diesel Hot box fitter Monday, yes they are not cheap, but don't want the hassle of a gas bottle in the back of the van
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It was an example.. Think about it? Anything you clean is going to clean better with hot water!
You know better as you have a hot system it just doesnt sound right to me :-\
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Poleman....You must have OCD because i would eat my dinner off the floor in the van!!
What was used to "speedlining" the sides?
Well I am a cleaner by trade ;) the walls was painted with eggshell and speedline has UV in it so no fading
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Poleman....You must have OCD because i would eat my dinner off the floor in the van!!
What was used to "speedlining" the sides?
Well I am a cleaner by trade ;) the walls was painted with eggshell and speedline has UV in it so no fading
What is egg shell and speed line :|?
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for all those wanting to go hot,
if you just want to use it to stop your hoses freezing in the winter ( get a immersion an heat the water the night before )
if you want to have the above + hotter water for cleaning first cleans gutter/fascias and conny roofs etc ( get an lpg heater )
if you want to have all the above and waste loads of money ( get a deisel water heater )
simples ;D
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for all those wanting to go hot,
if you just want to use it to stop your hoses freezing in the winter ( get a immersion an heat the water the night before )
if you want to have the above + hotter water for cleaning first cleans gutter/fascias and conny roofs etc ( get an lpg heater )
if you want to have all the above and waste loads of money ( get a deisel water heater )
simples ;D
Totally agree and if your going to get a diesel water heater at least get a separate tank and run
it on red.
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poleman thank you van looks great i see you have a dial controller and its on the highest setting , do you work on that setting please
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for all those wanting to go hot,
if you just want to use it to stop your hoses freezing in the winter ( get a immersion an heat the water the night before )
if you want to have the above + hotter water for cleaning first cleans gutter/fascias and conny roofs etc ( get an lpg heater )
if you want to have all the above and waste loads of money ( get a deisel water heater )
simples ;D
Totally agree and if your going to get a diesel water heater at least get a separate tank and run
it on red.
Don't think you can run them on red, causes issues.
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They can be run on red but it has to be clean and well filtered, have two systems one with jerry can that has been run on red but what you save is not worth the hassle, the other is fed from the van tank. Plumbed into the van tank is the way to go no chance of it running out of fuel. Used all year round ,makes the job more efficient, as in the subject, 'Is it worth it?' a big yes from me.
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Poleman....You must have OCD because i would eat my dinner off the floor in the van!!
What was used to "speedlining" the sides?
Well I am a cleaner by trade ;) the walls was painted with eggshell and speedline has UV in it so no fading
What is egg shell and speed line :|?
Eggshell: the house a baby chicken comes in
Speed line: how to do coke when the rozzers are onto you
Hth
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Thats good info mate, but have u had any probs cracking the glass with hot water in the winter or any other time? thanks m
In short no mate, you do have to be aware of what you are doing now that you have a gas in the van, I have been using the hot water in the summer for first cleans which I had to turn the temp down, and in the winter if very cold then you dont have it very hot, I total love my hot water and only cost £5 or £10 a week to run :) this is my system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52QsSAWz0Rc
I REALLY like your new van Poleman. It's just so... well, clean! But, I'm curious, sir! Why, after all that effort in producing such an outstanding example, did you opt for just one pump and controller?