Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Alex Wingrove on July 16, 2013, 05:12:58 pm
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Hi
What causes the white deposits, and what is the best way of removing so they don't come back.
Regards
Alex
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What white depposits? On what surface? Photos please? Send themm to me at tilinglogistics@hotmail.com if you can't post them on here and I will try to help.
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Can you not see the photo?
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Now
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Its efflorescence. Hydrochloric acid will shift it. Kev will give you to full cause buts due to moisture and salts seeping out and solidifying. Very difficult to stop it.
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As matt says it is efflorescence. It needs three things to manifest itself salts, water and a route. Take anyone of those away and there is no efflorescence. Easily removed usually with a wash of Phosphoric Acid sometimes if the salts have calcified you need to manually scrape most away and then apply Phos Acid to finish off. Aqua Mix then do a product called Aqua Mix Eff-Ex which is a cleaner but also a penetrating fluid that forms a membrane sub surface and helps prevent re-occurrence depending on how bad it is.
http://www.custombuildingproducts.com/products/aqua-mix/problem-solvers/aqua-mix-eff-ex.aspx
The main thing is to investigate thoroughly and find out if there is a new source of salts or water causing it.
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Thanks very much for the reply.
I didn't fancy just using pressure to clean it, I wanted a slightly longer lasting solution.
Thanks for the reply's
Alex
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Kev
can you send me a pro forma for the aqua mix, so I can buy some from you
Thanks
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Kev
can you send me a pro forma for the aqua mix, so I can buy some from you
Thanks
Give me a call in the morning and I will set you up a Trade Account
01217055333
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Watch out Kevin, he might even nick/copy some of your text off of your website if you ain't careful, with what they can and cannot do.
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Walk away from that.
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Why?
Rob ;D
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No damp coarse and it's surrounded by trees.
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What we have is a gateway to either a private estate or very large dwelling.
I would offer to clean the entire structure, including cap stones, avoiding the lights electrics and what looks to be a camera on the right hand side, These could be bagged, whilst cleaning.
I would then follow the topic advice as far as resolving the effervescing. I would further up-sell a maintenance package so that it could look its best, ongoing ;D
There's an opportunity there that would be stupid to ignore!
Rob ;D
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What we have is a gateway to either a private estate or very large dwelling.
Rob ;D
No sh*t sherlock..did you work that out for yourself?
What you have there will be an ongoing nightmare that will keep recurring.
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It certainly isn't anywhere in Crosby, although with the new website, fingers in money lending, chemical supply chain and all the websites you have going on - it could be your driveway!
I feel it possibly isn't because anyone with all that going on doesn't have a battered phone screen that makes viewing pictures off the forum difficult to the point where you get the response completely wrong.
I'm back as well ;) - goodnight
Rob ;D
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I am working on a new phone..but all the modern touch screen ones are not waterproof or dustproof. I buy a case to make it so it will be the size of the first Motorolas!
Was not the far away ...still a sandstone just the wrong continent.
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My New Years resolution is to never fall out with you again
Rob ;D
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I bet my reply will be closer to what will happen, knowing Alex ;)
Rob ;D
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I have zoomed in on the picture big time. I agree that there is no damp course, though I can't be as certain as Chris but a lot of what is going on there has nothing to do with rising damp (oooeeerrrr Rigby).
It has everything to do with salts coming out of the structure and i agree with Chris that it is the atmosphere that the gateway is in, overhanging trees keeping the whole area away from sunlight and so it is damp.
A good clean and seal will sort all the problems out and as I posted before there will be a real opportunity to up sell
Rob ;D
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Watch out Kevin, he might even nick/copy some of your text off of your website if you ain't careful, with what they can and cannot do.
Ill change it now.
I had now idea that was there,
Sorry
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Thank you Alex
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What do you think the price should be
The Aqua Mix is about £30.
The work includes both sides, all the brick work and gates that you can see. Obviously time is gonna have to be spend on covering up the camera and other electrical areas.
Whats really annoying is they have told me the budget for this job.
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Thanks
Alex
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£240 + materials + VAT
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I said in my initial post take anyone of the 3 factors away and you will either eliminate it or drastically reduce the problem. It needs some other work first to stop or at least slow the re occurence. Just look at the way the tarmac is eroded. Unless it is a new entranceway which looks unlikely there is clearly a drainage problem and the trees and bushes need cutting back. Then tackle the efflorescence. You need to explain it all to them then put a package together IMHO.
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Knock the walls down including arch ways plus gates, remove offending trees / shrubs (forget trimming them - long term solution ;) ) remove tarmac shingle the driveway problem sorted ;D
£4500 + vat or Cash £5000 as you have asked every question so far ie Reason for problem, chemical required and now cost only other factor remaining is time 1/2 a day ;D Hope this helps
I think I may have sunstroke ;D
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Kevin I'm a cleaner who cleans, tree surgeons cut trees and diddys lay tarmac. I'd just go in to make it look good and suggest nothing other than a booking for next year
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Kevin I'm a cleaner who cleans, tree surgeons cut trees and diddys lay tarmac. I'd just go in to make it look good and suggest nothing other than a booking for next year
Carl
We are "Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" so we would go in and advise, quote to sort it, if they accepted and paid we tell them the cause afterwards and then put in an aftercare plan. No we wouldn't do trees and bushes either just point it out to them in the aftercare plan.
I will however tell you the price would be more than what you suggested in your earlier post :o
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Thats no worries - I also can do posh ! I'm off out to do a quote and a drain then I'm going to buy a financial times. I need the FT to combine two bee hives - you have a very nice day ;D
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Thats no worries - I also can do posh ! I'm off out to do a quote and a drain then I'm going to buy a financial times. I need the FT to combine two bee hives - you have a very nice day ;D
Carl
After listening to the news in recent days I have been thinking about importing Bees ;D ;D ;D Some company in Poland sod someone in the UK some bees for £10K ::)roll ::)roll
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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don't start me on the immigrants thing >:( I thought they were Italian bees that were used to restock after winter losses on some estate. Italian bees are really calm, prolific but don't over winter that well and as such use their stores. I have a couple of Buckfasts and a couple of local dark mongrel colonies. I never lost any over the winter but have only just got them queen right after some poor matings last summer if that what you call that rainy season.