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Title: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 05:42:14 pm
 :( :( not happy the paloma only seems to want to make boiling water when i turn the temprature down it cuts the burner of back up to full temp and kicks in again? can anyone shed any light ? i think im gunna stick to immersion this is well anoying
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on January 25, 2013, 05:45:12 pm
Probably why ya m8 gave it ya  ;D
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: richard jagger on January 25, 2013, 05:46:50 pm
It sound like your water flow is to low.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 06:04:34 pm
iv got it on full power and it works on full heat the warter is boiling but when i turn temp down the burner just cuts of and i get cold comeing through? im starting to think these boilers are a nightmare i wish i got given it it cost me £115 and was paid for on bacs >:(
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Scrimble on January 25, 2013, 06:08:39 pm
dean you wanna buy my heater off me? its the stainless steel one reach2clean sell for £200?

Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on January 25, 2013, 06:10:23 pm
iv got it on full power and it works on full heat the warter is boiling but when i turn temp down the burner just cuts of and i get cold comeing through? im starting to think these boilers are a nightmare i wish i got given it it cost me £115 and was paid for on bacs >:(

Thought yr m8 sorted it out for u m8
Best place to inquire is an motor home
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Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 06:10:41 pm
i read on one of your other posts it was crap and starting to smell? what boiler are you using now mark?
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Lee GLS on January 25, 2013, 06:11:04 pm
dean you wanna buy my heater off me? its the stainless steel one reach2clean sell for £200?



You can get the same heater for £95 off eBay.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 06:11:37 pm
has it been ajusted inside for low pressure use??

i had to do this with my L5
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 06:12:30 pm
ahhh no probley not how do i adjust it? there is hope yet ;D
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 06:15:51 pm
i will have to look it up to see to be 100% sure

but on the water inlet if you follow that to the water flow controll there there might be 1 or 2 screws to adjust the flow,
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 06:17:20 pm
ok i shall look further into it thanks richard iv looked into it on google and cant seem to find any info on it
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 06:17:50 pm
ok i shall look further into it thanks richard iv looked into it on google and cant seem to find any info on it

just looking through the manual for it now
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 06:23:48 pm
if the water control unit looks like this, then it looks like it could be the srew on the side just about the thread, that is the flow adjuster

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1359138174_untitled.png)
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 06:30:09 pm
another thing you might have to do if you have a digital flow controller is to turn the flow rate up on that,
when fitting a heater in a friends window cleaning van he used to work on 35-40, after fitting the heater and had the temp set to low we had to turn the flow rate upto at least 45 fro it to fire up.

this is how we did it,

have gas turned on, turn water on so it flows like you was working and then turn up the controller 1 at a time to see when it fires up, then turn water off wait for it all to cut out then turn water on and see if it fires up.

also check to see if you have the right regulator as if there is to much gas going through then this could also cause problem.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: bobplum on January 25, 2013, 07:11:50 pm
1)when you turn the heat down are you turning the water down to match it
2) i had to up my calibration on my pump,im guessing its the cold water,density all that,i have a L5 IT WOULD NOT FIRE UP ON the normal calibration i had to up it
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 07:13:56 pm
Hi Richard I have looked at the water regulator and it is different there is a little screw on it but doesn't look like that one. It also only works on full pump power or the burner cuts of very anoying perhaps if I run it on realy hot and use my other pump to pump some cold in to the pipe after the boiler to cool it a bit lol
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 07:19:28 pm
My pump runs on a mapelin dial so no calibration, iv tried it on various speeds etc and no joy I mite have a duffer but if it was no good would it even make boiling water? I dnt get it
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 07:24:31 pm
Hi Richard I have looked at the water regulator and it is different there is a little screw on it but doesn't look like that one. It also only works on full pump power or the burner cuts of very anoying perhaps if I run it on realy hot and use my other pump to pump some cold in to the pipe after the boiler to cool it a bit lol

that one in the picture might be from a diffrent model then,

try tightening the screw all the way in and then slowly open in and try that,
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: bobplum on January 25, 2013, 07:37:54 pm
your father-in-law is a gas engineer? can he not look at it
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 07:47:59 pm
My dad is a windy like me think U may have mixed me up for someone else ;D

Thanks for advice Richard is this safe to do wile running it with the cover of or should I try it then turn it on etc
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 07:53:50 pm
My dad is a windy like me think U may have mixed me up for someone else ;D

Thanks for advice Richard is this safe to do wile running it with the cover of or should I try it then turn it on etc

Cant you get access to it with the cover on as this would be the best way to do it,

If not, you could turn it put cover on try take off turn put on etc

With the l5 when turned on the flames was in a covered area so it wasn't to bad,
If the flames when turned on are in a covered area then you could do it with the cover off if you are careful when doing it.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: bobplum on January 25, 2013, 08:07:52 pm
My dad is a windy like me think U may have mixed me up for someone else ;D

Thanks for advice Richard is this safe to do wile running it with the cover of or should I try it then turn it on etc

sorry :D :-[
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 08:44:34 pm
Il have another play tomorrow I think, would it make any difference if the gas bottle is low ? I'm getting lost for ideas
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 08:52:41 pm
Il have another play tomorrow I think, would it make any difference if the gas bottle is low ? I'm getting lost for ideas

No it won't make any difference unless it was empty.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 08:57:50 pm
How about using my other pump to pump cold into the hot produce pipe so will cool it a little?
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: bobplum on January 25, 2013, 08:59:08 pm
How about using my other pump to pump cold into the hot produce pipe so will cool it a little?

i live in ellesmere port if you want to take a trip over the week end maybe two brains better than one
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 09:10:22 pm
Il have another go at it tommorrow I mite have to take you up on that if I can't sort it out  ;D
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Dave Willis on January 25, 2013, 09:24:02 pm
suppose you've got the right gas for your particular model. Which one have you got?
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 25, 2013, 11:18:34 pm
IV got the correct gas and regulator on it, can't understand why the burner would cut out when I want the water to be colder only likes to run boiling. I mite have to have another pump pumping cold into the hot produce pipe to look the water before it hits the reals i wreken that could work ;D
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 25, 2013, 11:34:34 pm
Why didnt you buy chinese???????????????????
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Dave Willis on January 26, 2013, 08:51:17 am
Doesn't it have a manual? There's loads of info on the net but as you haven't said which model you have it's hard to look at it.
Fogwash works at a particular flow rate - could be yours works at a high flow rate who knows? Paloma also do a natural gas heater which is why I wondered if you had the right one for propane. Almost sounds like your turning thae flow down rather than the gas setting - don't suppose the k nobs are the wrong way round?
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 26, 2013, 09:48:08 am
Its got a sticker on the side saying propane 37mbar regulator that's what I have im gunna have another go this morning not that its gunna be any different lol I shall report back
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Lee GLS on January 26, 2013, 12:59:58 pm
Smithie, you don't need a pump to match the size of the boiler. 5L, 6L, 8L, that is the amount of hot water the can produce without the temperature dropping. The are designed to hear varying flows of water, otherwise they would only work at a flow rate that matched the heater. My heater can run at roughly 1.5LPM with no detriment to the heater.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: richard jagger on January 26, 2013, 02:04:49 pm
Yes Lee you are correct.I have better things to do.
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 26, 2013, 05:23:44 pm
i seem to have it sorted now it only works if i plum in another hose reel of the same pump so it was a flow problem i was having it wont run on low pressure also seems to only work between number 4 and 5 which was good enough anyways must be a water flow issue that determins weather the burner ignites at what temp etc
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: richard jagger on January 26, 2013, 07:06:21 pm
It sound like your water flow is to low.
AS I SAID.T
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: R.C Property on January 26, 2013, 07:11:28 pm
It sound like your water flow is to low.
AS I SAID.T

Lol you wasn't the only one lol  ;D
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: Deangsi on January 26, 2013, 09:52:34 pm
There a pin in the arce to be honest but its amazing to clean with  ;D a must for winter and if this one brakes il buy another I have to have one now full stop lol
Title: Re: paloma boiler problems
Post by: richard jagger on January 27, 2013, 10:41:33 am
R C grow up before you grow old/ Na nana na na.