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Title: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Lee GLS on January 15, 2013, 05:07:07 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.

Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on January 15, 2013, 05:18:55 pm
And all the sections are carbon fibre on the SLX.

Simon.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: stephen.b1 on January 15, 2013, 05:28:07 pm
not the base section
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: roundbuilder on January 15, 2013, 05:28:18 pm
Im just on pheonix online shop now. I cant work out though does it come with a brush and if so which brush??.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Lee GLS on January 15, 2013, 05:29:54 pm
Im just on pheonix online shop now. I cant work out though does it come with a brush and if so which brush??.

Without
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: roundbuilder on January 15, 2013, 05:32:10 pm
Realy no brush??? I think i payed extra for brushes with garniners but pheonix doesnt give me a choice.
Oh well ill go on the gardiners online shop instead, much more straight forward.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on January 15, 2013, 05:32:32 pm
not the base section

On the SLX it's all cf unless something has changed since the last time i purchased a pole.

Simon.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: SB Cleaning on January 15, 2013, 05:34:05 pm
Fair play  :)
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on January 15, 2013, 05:34:46 pm
not the base section

yes it is mate, only the clx base sections are glass fibre, but from slx range upwards all base sections are full carbon with a thin anti shock layer which is not carbon. it does appear different to the other sections so you could be forgiven for thinking that.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: dd on January 15, 2013, 05:35:35 pm
I think it is to make way for a new gooseneck and brush system Alex is bringing out so he he shifting all the old stock first.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 06:01:52 pm
not the base section

On the SLX it's all cf unless something has changed since the last time i purchased a pole.

Simon.

The base/handle section on the SLX/SMAX is Carbon Fibre with a thin outer insulative layer.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Crystal-clear on January 15, 2013, 06:03:53 pm
oh sweet, aye you had to pay extra for those before
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 06:04:57 pm
not the base section

yes it is mate, only the clx base sections are glass fibre, but from slx range upwards all base sections are full carbon with a thin anti shock layer which is not carbon. it does appear different to the other sections so you could be forgiven for thinking that.

This is true on  the smaller CLX poles, but on the CLX27 the base/handle section use exactly the same carbon/glass blend as all the other CLX27 sections and are not made of just fibre glass. We did try just having fibre glass handle sections on the very first CLX27 poles, but quickly found that they were not robust or rigid enough to cope with this length of pole and quickly changed it to the current carbon/glass blend.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Tom White on January 15, 2013, 06:06:06 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



Are Gardeners offering this on retrospective purchases of their poles?  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: steven ainger on January 15, 2013, 06:06:52 pm
Whens the new quick loq being unveiled Alex????
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 06:08:56 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



Are Gardeners offering this on retrospective purchases of their poles?  ;D

 ;D

I suppose if you don't ask you don't get.

We are extending this to anyone who has bought a full carbon pole since the 1st of January - they would just have to pay the courier charge.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 06:14:16 pm
Whens the new quick loq being unveiled Alex????

Should be unveiled on the website within a few weeks - We should then have Quick-LoQ stocks for general sale with our poles by about April.

We will still be continuing with this current gooseneck/brush offer for the next few months.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on January 15, 2013, 06:19:10 pm
No doubt it will be a "genuine" step forward in WFP as per usual by Gardiners & not just some over-hyped counterfeit as we've gotten used to by the competition!! ;)
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: scottt24 on January 15, 2013, 06:19:42 pm
What about someone who bought a slx, gooseneck and brush just last week ? 😜
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 06:23:23 pm
What about someone who bought a slx, gooseneck and brush just last week ? 😜

In that case, if they did not get this offer, they would qualify for a free Super-Lite carbon 10" gooseneck and brush combo to be sent to them for just the courier cost.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 15, 2013, 06:23:43 pm
Scott READ the other posts in this thread!
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Afterglow Window Cleaners on January 15, 2013, 07:02:51 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



Are Gardeners offering this on retrospective purchases of their poles?  ;D

 ;D

I suppose if you don't ask you don't get.

We are extending this to anyone who has bought a full carbon pole since the 1st of January - they would just have to pay the courier charge.

Bought mine in April last year, with brush and carbon gooseneck.......that was after January 2011,do I still qualify :p
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 07:15:50 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



Are Gardeners offering this on retrospective purchases of their poles?  ;D

 ;D

I suppose if you don't ask you don't get.

We are extending this to anyone who has bought a full carbon pole since the 1st of January - they would just have to pay the courier charge.

Bought mine in April last year, with brush and carbon gooseneck.......that was after January 2011,do I still qualify :p

 :)
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: davids3511 on January 15, 2013, 07:27:00 pm
Bugger bought a new SLX and 2 brushes end of November. Would have hung on if I knew.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Stephen Fox on January 15, 2013, 09:01:59 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Rogue Trader on January 15, 2013, 09:03:29 pm
Tell me about the carbon gooseneck , or any gooseneck for that matter , i have never used one , alwys relied on angle adapters. When windows are deeply recessed just screw a few angle adapters together but that is usually one job in 200!! Will a gooseneck benefit me on day to day cleans?
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 09:09:44 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?

To answer your question - yes it would  :)

We have a new gooseneck and brush system due for unveiling in a few weeks (which we have been working on for the majority of last year) and we have a large stock of 2500 carbon necks that we would like to move along before the new ones come in fully. We will still be selling these goosenecks alongside the new system, but we would like to have slightly less stocks of them whilst doing so.

Cornish waters are very calm so all is plain sailing!
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: roundbuilder on January 15, 2013, 09:11:29 pm
Why dont pheonix come with a brush or goose neck. Surely if they did it would invite more potential customers to place orders. I know it would me.
Alex has made he's range verey hard to beat.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 15, 2013, 09:14:08 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer  be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?

I think you should not insult everyones intelligence on this forum.
1. Clearly Alex is clearing out old stock to make way for a new system, as you are doing with your old stock of Facelift poles.
2. You have not rocked any boat.

Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Lee GLS on January 15, 2013, 09:14:55 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?

To be honest I have used the pheonix pole at polar brite  8)

I wasn't comparing the poles here, because both are excellent poles. But if someone was looking to buy a new carbon fiber pole, the deal Gardiners have make it much better value to a potential customer.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: roundbuilder on January 15, 2013, 09:16:05 pm
Out with the old, in with the new. Thats what makes the world go round.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 15, 2013, 09:16:21 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?

To answer your question - yes it would  :)

We have a new gooseneck and brush system due for unveiling in a few weeks (which we have been working on for the majority of last year) and we have a large stock of 2500 carbon necks that we would like to move along before the new ones come in fully. We will still be selling these goosenecks alongside the new system, but we would like to have slightly less stocks of them whilst doing so.

Cornish waters are very calm so all is plain sailing!

Watch out for the sharks! ;)
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Stephen Fox on January 15, 2013, 09:16:41 pm
Why dont pheonix come with a brush or goose neck. Surely if they did it would invite more potential customers to place orders. I know it would me.
Alex has made he's range verey hard to beat.

We have! We didn't want to release too many products in one go, we have something very interesting in the pipeline...
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Lee GLS on January 15, 2013, 09:19:37 pm
Mr fox, I think you should take a leaf out of your business partners book (mike) and Alex Gardiners, stop making sly comments on your competitors posts. Mike has conducted himself very professionally on here since the pheonix has come out, you on the other hand have not, I find it hard to believe you actually own windiw cleaning warehouse (rolley eyes)
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Stephen Fox on January 15, 2013, 09:20:09 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer  be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?

I think you should not insult everyones intelligence on this forum.
1. Clearly Alex is clearing out old stock to make way for a new system, as you are doing with your old stock of Facelift poles.
2. You have not rocked any boat.


I would have to strongly disagree. We are aiming to make the window cleaners easier than ever before, the Phoenix is the first step towards this goal - or would you disagree?
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 15, 2013, 09:20:43 pm
Dont rush them lads, look what happened last time  ;D
Seriously tho the 26 u/l looks a really good pole.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Stephen Fox on January 15, 2013, 09:23:13 pm
Me fox, I think you should take a leaf out of your business partners book (mike) and Alex Gardiners, stop making sly comments on your competitors posts. Mike has conducted himself very professionally on here since the pheonix has come out, you on the other hand have not, I find it hard to believe you actually own windiw cleaning warehouse (rolley eyes)

Just because i'm a fox doesn't necessarily make me sly! ;D

What comments are you referring to Lee? As far as I'm aware I've been completely transparent.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: scottt24 on January 15, 2013, 09:23:57 pm
What about someone who bought a slx, gooseneck and brush just last week ? 😜

In that case, if they did not get this offer, they would qualify for a free Super-Lite carbon 10" gooseneck and brush combo to be sent to them for just the courier cost.

Hi Alex can I ring the office tomorrow to arrange this ??
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 15, 2013, 09:24:40 pm
What about someone who bought a slx, gooseneck and brush just last week ? 😜

In that case, if they did not get this offer, they would qualify for a free Super-Lite carbon 10" gooseneck and brush combo to be sent to them for just the courier cost.

Hi Alex can I ring the office tomorrow to arrange this ??

Please do we will be happy to arrange this for you.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on January 15, 2013, 09:25:44 pm
Tell me about the carbon gooseneck , or any gooseneck for that matter , i have never used one , alwys relied on angle adapters. When windows are deeply recessed just screw a few angle adapters together but that is usually one job in 200!! Will a gooseneck benefit me on day to day cleans?

Carbon goosenecks are brilliant, it's more the lack of weight at the top than anything else.  You think what difference is a few grams gonna make and then you try it and wooooaa.  I'd say they are really worth the money.

Simon.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Stephen Fox on January 15, 2013, 09:28:37 pm
Dont rush them lads, look what happened last time  ;D
Seriously tho the 26 u/l looks a really good pole.

KentKleen, I would be happy to send you one out to try for a week (a proper trial, not just in shop) for your view point and feedback. I'm all for peoples opinions and would rather get them from a first hand user, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on January 15, 2013, 09:31:15 pm
If you are considering buying an slx or pheonix carbon pole, the slx is now better value than the pheonix because you now get a FREE carbon goose neck AND brush of your choice. It's a no brainier really.



To be honest Lee too compare the two when you not actually got/used a Phoenix.....

It's interesting, would this offer be around if the Phoenix range was not rocking the water fed boat?

To be honest I have used the pheonix pole at polar brite  8)I wasn't comparing the poles here, because both are excellent poles. But if someone was looking to buy a new carbon fiber pole, the deal Gardiners have make it much better value to a potential customer.

I thought you were banned from there  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: Lee GLS on January 15, 2013, 09:36:15 pm
I went when Craig wasn't about  :o ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on January 15, 2013, 09:38:14 pm
I went when Craig wasn't about  :o ;D

lol  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiner vs pheonix value for money.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 15, 2013, 09:54:42 pm
Stephen that is a very kind offer. Wait until the bad weather is out of the way and I will take you up on that.
I am very pro gardiners as I appreciate good customer service and a great end product, but will give an honest review of your pole.