Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Red_Panda on September 15, 2012, 08:00:55 am
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Hi, I thought some would find this interesting.
These are the new Alltec Evolution basic specs:
Moulded fibreglass body on aluminium base.
Twin 6.6inch two-stage high performance lamb vac motors.
600psi pumptec pump.
3kw in-tank heater & 2kw in-line heater.
D
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How Much , What Temp does inline heater reach , Is there remote self empty option
Have favorable terms been negotiated with a leasing company.
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You'll need to contact them, I wanted to know if it was plastic or fibreglass. I had a Sahara machine before and it looked good for years. D
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I do know it can have auto fill/empty and chemical feed as extras...
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Did anyone see it ... did they switch it on ... was it good ? :)
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Has anyone got pictures of it ?...Looking to update soon.
Richard
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Just found it on EastBy Services Ltd Face Book Page £3069 plus VAT Auto Empty plus £299
Looks more like an Advance Glass Fibre Body
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i did mention a little about it on the vanfest thread
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Thanks Ian
Cheers Billy will have a look on that thread
Richard
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Build quality looks great as to does the Cleansmart that has same vacs in it. Is it just the Jag that looks cheap n nasty.
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any link to the FB page ... doesn't seem to list when i try eastby services ltd :-\
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eastby-Services-Ltd/338504026231204
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eastby-Services-Ltd/338504026231204
thanks Billy , i hit that link it just brings up facebook.com homepage ... but other fb links work fine ... hmm
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no problem john, don't know what happened with the 1st link, thats why i changed it, Me and computers don't work well together! ;D
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Paul Pearce used it for the rug cleaning demo.
I was looking at Allan Simmons Get Booked Up Software and was impressed with how quiet it was.
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Paul Pearce used it for the rug cleaning demo.
I was looking at Allan Simmons Get Booked Up Software and was impressed with how quiet it was.
even the old alltecs had a built in foam lined silencer molded into the fiberglass body , i presume thats why its quiet .. although the 6.6 motor may have slightly different tone too .
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So the new machine is £3370 + VAT and a new Jag will cost around £2600 + VAT
How much better will the new machine preform for a lot more money?
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So the new machine is £3370 + VAT and a new Jag will cost around £2600 + VAT
How much better will the new machine preform for a lot more money?
Thats a fair point ...
The heater will be included which jag buyers would have to pay 500 or so extra for ( or does it not need heat ;D )
Jag has two cords no heat ( 3 cords needed for heat ... alltec just needs two cords )
The APO is optional ... I know i could live with out it , can be fussy too .
Quality /design / appearance is subjective but i know which i'd choose .
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£4000 inc vat is to much for any portable your better with the powerflight machines at nearly half the price.
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So the new machine is £3370 + VAT and a new Jag will cost around £2600 + VAT
How much better will the new machine preform for a lot more money?
Thats a fair point ...
The heater will be included which jag buyers would have to pay 500 or so extra for ( or does it not need heat ;D )
Jag has two cords no heat ( 3 cords needed for heat ... alltec just needs two cords )
The APO is optional ... I know i could live with out it , can be fussy too .
Quality /design / appearance is subjective but i know which i'd choose .
The look/design of the alltec is also an ugly bugger!!
Alltec have obviously built a good, powerful machine. But why the hell do they make them look like crap?
IMO
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So the new machine is £3370 + VAT and a new Jag will cost around £2600 + VAT
How much better will the new machine preform for a lot more money?
Thats a fair point ...
The heater will be included which jag buyers would have to pay 500 or so extra for ( or does it not need heat ;D )
Jag has two cords no heat ( 3 cords needed for heat ... alltec just needs two cords )
The APO is optional ... I know i could live with out it , can be fussy too .
Quality /design / appearance is subjective but i know which i'd choose .
The look/design of the alltec is also an ugly bugger!!
Alltec have obviously built a good, powerful machine. But why the hell do they make them look like crap?
IMO
lol , I suppose function dictates form a bit ..... like an mpv car ends up boxy
other Design advantages with the alltec , in my opinion would also include ...
Waste tank has molded bottom recess and low waste gate to completely empty waste water ...
twin stacks for good airflow + they rise to the top of the raised lid , less likely to suck in foam and have electronic cutoff ( this exact design is now used in new top mytee LTD range also ... but alltec have done it for years )
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You do have to look at what you want the machine for and how you want to use it, I have a jag and it's as light as a feather I can easily put in the back of my van with my knees shaking like a dog having a poo.
Shaun
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I bought a Scorpion five years ago and its still going strong! although i have had a new set of vac motors and a couple of pump heads!
Nick has tried to Gagg me over this but in July last year, i took delivery of my new Jaguar! I was probably one of the first to get one and yes it does seem a bit more powerfull than the Scorpion, But It is Probably the most unreliable machine i have ever owned!
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I bought a Scorpion five years ago and its still going strong! although i have had a new set of vac motors and a couple of pump heads!
Triggers Broom ??
;D ;D ;D
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always found the alltec machines built to last with there fibreglass body..
The downside its a little heavier to move around mind.
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Hi Guys
I had a look at the new machine yesterday.
It has 2 heat exchangers, one each side. they are electric and run off seperate leads, so one vac/heat exchanger per lead.
It also has a 3kw in tank heater which you use when setting up, pre spraying etc and then use use the heat exchangers when cleaning to produce really hot water. You cannot use both at the same time, too much power required.
As always with Altec it looked a good solid build.
Must also say that I had a problem with my TM which Chris sorted quickly and I was on my way back to complete a big commercial and even got home in time for a beer. The atmosphere at Altec was very welcoming and I really do believe we need local quality suppliers and should support them.
Cheers
Doug
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Im sure its a quality piece of kit, looking at the control panel i cant see any cheap components used, however i do like to be able to monitor my solution and recovery tanks, and clear tanks on the Jag allows me to do that.
Four grand would probably buy a reasonable good second hand TM, I see the point of fitting two heat exchangers... however i cant see the logic if you have a good enough inline heater and using chemicals which don't necessarily require heat to improve performance.
Fibre glass looks lovely when new... ;)
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I read the hear exchanger was 2 Killo Watts but is that each because in my opinion having an Ashbys " KilloWatt heat Exchanger I do not think it heats water enough for extreme situations like pubs or lots of gum I like to see real steam like they had on the trains in the olden days.
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Off topic I know but how many peeps have tried to squash the bug on Hector's post?
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I had my Jag ten months and had gone through 6 number two vacume motors! The Jag is Cheap and Powerful, Quiet and Light but very unreliable! and its not just me thats had trouble,! Joe hatton is on his third number two vacume motor in three months, and he is only part time
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Off topic I know but how many peeps have tried to squash the bug on Hector's post?
;D ;D
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Yes Doug the atmosphere around alltec is very relaxed chris hasn't got nervous energy like Robert used to.
Shaun
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I bought a Scorpion five years ago and its still going strong! although i have had a new set of vac motors and a couple of pump heads!
Triggers Broom ??
;D ;D ;D
Hector I thought the exact same thing!! lol, Hilarious that was! ;D
What was it, "Ive had this same broom for 15 years, in that time it had 8 new heads and 10 new handles" ;D
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I had my Jag ten months and had gone through 6 number two vacume motors! The Jag is Cheap and Powerful, Quiet and Light but very unreliable! and its not just me thats had trouble,! Joe hatton is on his third number two vacume motor in three months, and he is only part time
i can see why he's trying to sell it now
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Hi Guys
Stuart, have all those been covered on waranty, it must have cost a fortune.
i thought my Excel was unreliable some years ago but I only needed about4 vac motors a year.
My Altec Advance has done 1800 on the original vacs although it is rarely used now.
Cheers
Doug
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Yes Doug
they were all replaced on warantee, but Solutions denied its a design fault, even though I swapped the number one vacume around to the number two position! it lasted I think a month before it blew
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Dosnt the Jag have auto-dump ?
in which case it is most likely design fault or just bad luck :o
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Stuart, you where an avid fan at one time watch you don't end up getting kicked off cleantalk :D
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Paul
I couldn't care less mate, Cleantalk isn't what it used to be! folk need to know the Truth about the Jag! It isn't as good as Nick says it is! the rear motor has no Airflow around it and unlike the Airflex and the Evolution , The Jag has no Cooling extracta fans in its lower casings and that IMOO is why the the number two motor keeps failing! There are many people with the same problem , I just couldnt keep on like that , eating a vac motor at a rate of ione a month! I demanded my money back! So Edd valentine made me another Scorpion by Special order as the have ceased making that machine now! Nothing wrong with the Scorpion realy! Not perfect build quality . but a Good machine all the same! No real vacume shutt off but after five years of owning one, ive got used to it by now
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Andrew
The Jag does have an auto dump mate, but that dosen't work properley either! it just cant keep up with demand, if your wand is forever on the carprt like me! ok if you sit down for five mins or so, but as soon as the wand is in contact with the carpet it stops pumping waste water, so pointless realy
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Wow that's one big confession Stuart. I pmd you on clean talk if your not banned by now.
Mark
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Mark
Sort of, They have tried to shutt me up by disabling my PM option! Thats why i haven't replied mate! childish realy but thats Mr Whites tactics for you
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One vac/heat exchanger per lead.
Wouldn't they have been better putting the vacs on one
and the h/e on the other in case you don't want to run the
h/e? Or is there a switch off for the h/e.
Presume the pump is tied in with one of the vac/he leads.
Using the lot sounds like a big draw on the leccy.
John
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I wouldn't know where to start listing the blatant shoddy design flaws on these machines ...
Don't know why some seem to rate them , even now the customers are modifying various components in an attempt to salvage some useability , fitting electronic cutoff , cutting /elongating stacks .
If they just buy an Alltec its already done .
Ed V it seems would prefer to think up catchy phrases and sales gimmicks than fix his machine , calls all other machines mere generics and describes his own as rolls royce on the website , its either arrogance or delusion , i cant decide .
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I read the hear exchanger was 2 Killo Watts but is that each because in my opinion having an Ashbys " KilloWatt heat Exchanger I do not think it heats water enough for extreme situations like pubs or lots of gum I like to see real steam like they had on the trains in the olden days.
I doubt if its 2kw per side , i'd say its 1kw per side , but it could be 1.5
Im sure they have to conform to electrical standards so cant over do it .
The 6.6 would be around 7 amps , the pump about 1.5amps , a 1kw H/E would be 4.5amps .
So that would be 13amps on cord one
12 on cord two ( or 13 if fitted with APO )
but the H/E could be some odd number like 1200w or whatever .
An electric H/E temp will be relative to the water temp fed to it , so water preheated to 70 degrees via the immersion water should get and stay v hot .
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I think it would only be appropriate to make a comment regarding the JAGUAR 6.6 system since we work extremely hard each and everyday to help address any and all issues by any of our customers whether it's "their fault, or our fault". It doesn't matter. Whenever an issue such as this, arises it is our policy to service the customer first; then, work on solving any issues second. Because solving situations sometimes takes a little time if ones goal is to get the right answer & long term solution.
I have always considered Stuart Clarke a great customer of ours and a great person. He has always proven himself Honorable , with integrity, and always professional.
Further, Joe Hatton has also been a longtime customer and very loyal. Just a great person. He has always been and will continue to be an advocate of the JAGUAR to this day. Have communicated with him on many occasions with great conversation.
Although we have addressed Stuarts problem with his machine,as any good manufacturer should, we will not offer a reason why the same motor went bad until we do further research because that would only be fair and reasonable rather than put the blame here, or there.
I also believe in all fairness to SOLUTIONS, I must comment on the fact that when Stuarts issue rose to the surface, Nick replaced the vacuum motor (s) under warranty without cost to the Operator. Nick communicated with us always with updates, constantly. Then, we agreed that we would fabricate a new base (same as the newer design 2013 models now have with any and all updates) with newer advances on airflow/ venting, etc..., and anything else we incorporated into the newer model. Nick had it shipped over and offered this to Stuart as agreed however, Stuart rejected this new base just before it was delivered (reason immaterial btw) and requested his beloved SCORPION-3XPS system. I could understand this reasoning because he was used to it and believed in that system. Therefore, we then fabricated a newer (updated) Scorpion for him and Nick had that one sent over and delivered to Stuart. Nick stood behind this sale a 1000 % IMHO, paid for a new model Scorpion, and took Stuarts used JAGUAR back in return.
Again, the reasons "why" are immaterial because I feel very good about doing the very best anyone in this Industry would do for a great customer, like Stuart.
Finally, the advances we have made on the new model 2013 JAGUAR 6.6 were not based on any particular problems in the past, rather, based strictly on advances in technologies in the achievement of great vacuum through internal CFM/Airflow. We continue to satisfy our customers and will reach a pillar that the majority perhaps have never experienced, this November of 40 years in this great Industry of ours.
I am glad Stuart is now happy , problem free, because he should be. ;)
Very best to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.
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Thats good customer service I think Stuarts frustration has crept through, if I send my Jag back to Nick could I have new van? I fancy a Merc or a VW.
Shaun
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This post makes me happy I went with Alltec a few years back ;)
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Hi Guys
Once you go beyond 2 motor failures in a short period then probability indicates a design fault.
6 is statistically a certainty.
When I had all those problems with the Excel, 10 years or more ago, they were trying to suggest it was something I was doing wrong but in the end I solved the problem by buying the Advance.
No vac failures in almost 2 years continual use.
Experience says it all.
Cheers
Doug
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I know it was suggested that there was evidence of water enrering the failed motor! but if that was the case, then it happened because the vacume shut offs diddnt work propperley! Ive had my Scorpion nearly five years and althought its inhailed a drop of water now and again, I never had a problem with vacume motors burning out!
I raised this point on Cleantalk earlier this week, but was soon poo pood by Nick saying I could purchase from him some electronic cut outs! why if the originall system isn't working do we have to purchase this as an add on? its like buying a car then having to buy the brakes at a later date !
I love my Scorpion, Cant say i would swap it for any other Portable made at the momment! yes its not perfect, but i have been using it for five years without too much of a problem and thats why i asked for another one as a back up machine, Just a pity the Jaguar diddnt have the same credentials
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and the 6.6 is suppose to have added moisture protection ... :D
you could search and find posts going back years stating that those floats seldom work or water is ingested before they do ...
Feed back is never acknowledged by CA ... its all marketing slogans with no substance behind them ... thru flow system etc
They scramble now to copy Alltec and mytee by raising the stacks and fitting electronic cutout before more 6.6's are destroyed .
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I wouldn't know where to start listing the blatant shoddy design flaws on these machines ...
Don't know why some seem to rate them , even now the customers are modifying various components in an attempt to salvage some useability , fitting electronic cutoff , cutting /elongating stacks .
If they just buy an Alltec its already done .
Ed V it seems would prefer to think up catchy phrases and sales gimmicks than fix his machine , calls all other machines mere generics and describes his own as rolls royce on the website , its either arrogance or delusion , i cant decide .
John it may look as if I am having a go at you over past few days but I am puzzled do you have a jaguar or have you been up close ? If you do fine but if not how can you talk about design faults etc it turned out Colin I think that was his name who you used to spar with worked for Solutions do you own or work for a supply company or are you just a techie geek
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just spotted the info pdf , or perhaps it was up elsewhere ?
http://www.alltecnetwork.co.uk/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/Evolution.pdf
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Says it all
Forced-air cooling system to prevent
overheating and prolongs motor life
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Looks like a good time to bring out a portable with a blower instead of increasing the likelihood of component failure by simply adding more vacuum motors.