Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Burbidge on June 04, 2012, 08:07:57 am
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A secret Facebook site where window cleaners from all over the world are coming together to design the next best thing.
http://www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk/blog/a-secret-facebook-site-where-window-cleaners-from-all-over-the-world-are-coming-together-to-design-the-next-best-thing/
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Want to join in? We will tell you how. ;D
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Well it can't be that secret, can it? :)
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Well it can't be that secret, can it? :)
Lol not anymore..... cus I just cracked it for ya ;D
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Someone beat you to it months ago.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/windowcleaners/
Its already got over 1200 members (maybe coz its not a secret) ;D
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Someone beat you to it months ago.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/windowcleaners/
Its already got over 1200 members (maybe coz its not a secret) ;D
The info inside is top secret ::)
Its a closed group dude ;D
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Someone beat you to it months ago.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/windowcleaners/
Its already got over 1200 members (maybe coz its not a secret) ;D
I just checked. Your looking at the wrong one the secret group has 47 memebers, again its a closed group and Facebook lists it as a SECRET group. Try and find it - I dare you lol
On this group you get added, you cannot add yourself.... and I will tell you how you can do that. This is for serious window cleaners only that have ideas to share on how to make stuff better. I know that there is lots of serious windys on here :)
You can be apart of it, no probs...... you might not be interested in this ( in that case move on to the next topic lol ;D )
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It is important to add and make clear this is not a social networking site for chitchat ( although it is using the Facebook platform)
It is a design team of real window cleaners working through product problems and improving as well as coming up with new innovations.
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Hands up those who have tried to find the secret Facebook site??
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Is secret a pseudonym for either £££s or $$$s ? :) .
Or is it just the usual marketing teaser?
Something else ? :)
Please excuse any hints at cynicism. It seems to be a conditioned response for me - free lunches and all that ;D
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Join our BETA Design Team - we have a new product design group .. It starts with getting a BETA Waterfed Pole Brush Pack ( 4 brushes, 20 jets for $99) .. Then PM Perry to join you !
Hardly secret hidden under the facebook icon on the site lol....
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Is secret a pseudonym for either £££s or $$$s ? :) .
Or is it just the usual marketing teaser?
Something else ? :)
Please excuse any hints at cynicism. It seems to be a conditioned response for me - free lunches and all that ;D
lol no most window cleaners have it. I am never too sure why because I am open to everything lol
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Join our BETA Design Team - we have a new product design group .. It starts with getting a BETA Waterfed Pole Brush Pack ( 4 brushes, 20 jets for $99) .. Then PM Perry to join you !
Hardly secret hidden under the facebook icon on the site lol....
Dude, its is soooo funny how you all miss the point. Its whats going on inside the site that excites me. But hey you don't have to join, I will tell you all about it soon.
The innovation coming out of the group already is brill!
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Join our BETA Design Team - we have a new product design group .. It starts with getting a BETA Waterfed Pole Brush Pack ( 4 brushes, 20 jets for $99) .. Then PM Perry to join you !
Hardly secret hidden under the facebook icon on the site lol....
Its marked as a secret group don't let the 99 bucks put you off lol
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Its not an independent group, its a business page in disguise that you are probably being paid to promote....
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Its not an independent group, its a business page in disguise that you are probably being paid to promote....
Nop, I dont receive any money for anything I have done for the magazine or other. When are you gonna get what I am all about tut tut
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So the magazine doesnt charge for advertising and it not for profit?
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So the magazine doesnt charge for advertising and it not for profit?
Not that we should explain myself but no the magazine is not for profit, I pay for everything at this moment in time and if I did, so what? ( in the nicest way )
Have I asked for you to pay for the magazine? No, so whats the problem ;D
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Im all deflated now - thought I was in for a scrum lol
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In for a scrum? You made it clear you happy funding the magazine and I assume giving free advertising so fair play to you....
I will look at all the product promotion in a different light now...
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I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.
I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true. I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.
As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses). That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.
Vin
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Have you considered ,having been enlightened on any new products or methods actually then sharing your experience with any of the window cleaners on here?
Thats on here,not a link to elsewhere.
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I can see a storm brewing....
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I just checked. Your looking at the wrong one the secret group has 47 memebers, again its a closed group and Facebook lists it as a SECRET group. Try and find it - I dare you lol
On this group you get added, you cannot add yourself.... and I will tell you how you can do that. This is for serious window cleaners only that have ideas to share on how to make stuff better. I know that there is lots of serious windys on here :)
You can be apart of it, no probs...... you might not be interested in this ( in that case move on to the next topic lol ;D )
So really it's about getting window cleaners to come up with improvements and ideas for manufacturers to take advantage of.
I'm not questioning the rights or possible wrongs of doing that only that the above is the bottom line and the reason behind it all.
Maybe?
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
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I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.
I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true. I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.
As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses). That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.
Vin
Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat ;D
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Have you considered ,having been enlightened on any new products or methods actually then sharing your experience with any of the window cleaners on here?
Thats on here,not a link to elsewhere.
I have done. You just have not read it ;D
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I can see a storm brewing....
Lol I know, the scrum has come......... reactions are not what there getting mind ;)
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I just checked. Your looking at the wrong one the secret group has 47 memebers, again its a closed group and Facebook lists it as a SECRET group. Try and find it - I dare you lol
On this group you get added, you cannot add yourself.... and I will tell you how you can do that. This is for serious window cleaners only that have ideas to share on how to make stuff better. I know that there is lots of serious windys on here :)
You can be apart of it, no probs...... you might not be interested in this ( in that case move on to the next topic lol ;D )
So really it's about getting window cleaners to come up with improvements and ideas for manufacturers to take advantage of.
I'm not questioning the rights or possible wrongs of doing that only that the above is the bottom line and the reason behind it all.
Maybe?
Yes, yes and yes.....and there is talk of royalties all round.
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
I agree. Its a think tank. And the group is a secret group. I don't know what else to say, I cannot explain it in any other way ;D
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Lee its not secret if its on their facebook business page, its just a closed group that a pm to perry I think it was would get you an invite.... You made out like you had cracked the secret code to join an invitation only secret society lol they just want help designing products..... I can see alot of people joining if there are benefits but there is no need to make it appear more than it is, just tell people what it is and be straight with them....
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In for a scrum? You made it clear you happy funding the magazine and I assume giving free advertising so fair play to you....
I will look at all the product promotion in a different light now...
Cheers man ;D
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I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.
I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true. I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.
As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses). That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.
Vin
Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat ;D
When I've asked a genuine question in the past you've flown off the handle or simply not answered it, so please do try not to overreact to this, which is a genuine question.
Do you believe that analysis before posting PR might improve your magazine?
Vin
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Lee its not secret if its on their facebook business page, its just a closed group that a pm to perry I think it was would get you an invite.... You made out like you had cracked the secret code to join an invitation only secret society lol they just want help designing products..... I can see alot of people joining if there are benefits but there is no need to make it appear more than it is, just tell people what it is and be straight with them....
I did. Trouble is people are always on guard in CIU ( makes it pretty hostile sometimes ) I spoke to a window cleaner today and mentioned CIU. No one I speak to says CIU is a great place to be. I accept that.
Its only a handful that winge and moan, I accept that too. May had over 15,000 visitors to our site and we take new sign ups day in day out world wide, we plane to double this number. CIU is a corner of a big ocean I am networking with and what I do is always selfless and for the window cleaning community.
I am glad you see where I am coming from now. It means a lot :)
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I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.
I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true. I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.
As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses). That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.
Vin
Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat ;D
When I've asked a genuine question in the past you've flown off the handle or simply not answered it, so please do try not to overreact to this, which is a genuine question.
Do you believe that analysis before posting PR might improve your magazine?
Vin
Hi Vin - no problem. Sometimes it is the way you approach somebody that dictates a reception. I am glad to see you come a cross in a less hostile manner.
Yes and no is the answer really. How would you improve the magazine?
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The innovation coming out of the group already is brill!
well, judging by the way you decribed unger's amazing new wfp was market-changing (LOL!), i'll take this with a very large pinch of salt.
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To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....
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Lee
I have doubts if you are actually lee boroughbfridge any more?
The reason for my doubts are that you say things like 99 bucks ... dudes and all those americanism things which doesn't quite seem right ...?
is anybody else getting this vibe?
perhaps we should check the ip address ... we may have been invadedd by the colonists
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To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....
We have opinions and I write a lot of stuff, you just have not read it :)
We are a form of press??? A press release says what it is on the tin? lol
A magazine does not have to be anything but inform.
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Lee
I have doubts if you are actually lee boroughbfridge any more?
The reason for my doubts are that you say things like 99 bucks ... dudes and all those americanism things which doesn't quite seem right ...?
is anybody else getting this vibe?
perhaps we should check the ip address ... we may have been invadedd by the colonists
Why be personal?
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The innovation coming out of the group already is brill!
well, judging by the way you decribed unger's amazing new wfp was market-changing (LOL!), i'll take this with a very large pinch of salt.
That was a line from their press release.
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To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....
We have opinions and I write a lot of stuff, you just have not read it :)
We are a form of press??? A press release says what it is on the tin? lol
A magazine does not have to be anything but inform.
Lee all I said was in order for it to be taken seriously it should be indepentent and form its own opinions, if all you are going to do is send out press releases you are nothing more than a newsletter....
My original point was that you shouldnt try to kid or entice people into something, if it does get hostile towards you its because people want your opinions on here sometimes rather than boosting your own website or blog views....
On the final point of ciu, it may only be a small part of what you do but you shouldnt belittle it or its members.....
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To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....
We have opinions and I write a lot of stuff, you just have not read it :)
We are a form of press??? A press release says what it is on the tin? lol
A magazine does not have to be anything but inform.
Lee all I said was in order for it to be taken seriously it should be indepentent and form its own opinions, if all you are going to do is send out press releases you are nothing more than a newsletter....
My original point was that you shouldnt try to kid or entice people into something, if it does get hostile towards you its because people want your opinions on here sometimes rather than boosting your own website or blog views....
On the final point of ciu, it may only be a small part of what you do but you shouldnt belittle it or its members.....
show me where I have belittled. This is just your opinion, which I respect.
Your points have been noted ;D
If you check the topics I regularly contribute my opinions regularly and my experiences. I am sorry your not a fan. You can't win them all.
I don't accept all you have said ;D
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To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....
We have opinions and I write a lot of stuff, you just have not read it :)
We are a form of press??? A press release says what it is on the tin? lol
A magazine does not have to be anything but inform.
Lee all I said was in order for it to be taken seriously it should be indepentent and form its own opinions, if all you are going to do is send out press releases you are nothing more than a newsletter....
My original point was that you shouldnt try to kid or entice people into something, if it does get hostile towards you its because people want your opinions on here sometimes rather than boosting your own website or blog views....
On the final point of ciu, it may only be a small part of what you do but you shouldnt belittle it or its members.....
Enjoy the next issue July 2012.... I have put a lot of work into it.
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Which bits do you accept then lol?
Lee its nothing personal as I think you have done a great job with the magazine to get it this far, I would be looking at generating some revenue rather than funding it all yourself...it does tend to make it look like an ego project if it cant be self supporting....
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I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.
I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true. I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.
As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses). That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.
Vin
Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat ;D
When I've asked a genuine question in the past you've flown off the handle or simply not answered it, so please do try not to overreact to this, which is a genuine question.
Do you believe that analysis before posting PR might improve your magazine?
Vin
Hi Vin - no problem. Sometimes it is the way you approach somebody that dictates a reception. I am glad to see you come a cross in a less hostile manner.
Yes and no is the answer really. How would you improve the magazine?
Sorry, that response is just too patronising for words. Thank you for your blessing on my style of posting; I really am not worthy.
Bear in mind that the way you read something might dictate whther you see it as hostile. Your reactions to any criticism, real or imagined, make that clear.
Tell you what, run it how you feel. Keep reprinting the PR; you'll go far.
Vin
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Thanks for the advice Vin. Im sorry we can not be friends ;D
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Thanks for the advice Vin. Im sorry we can not be friends ;D
I see you are on our subscription list so we not all bad ;D
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Which bits do you accept then lol?
Lee its nothing personal as I think you have done a great job with the magazine to get it this far, I would be looking at generating some revenue rather than funding it all yourself...it does tend to make it look like an ego project if it cant be self supporting....
Cheers buddy, yeah I saw you on our subscription list. Money at this moment in time does not interest me. I have a passion for the magazine. It only looks ego because I got to promo the mag to tell people who do not know it is here.
Thanks anyway, matey.... I know you were trying to help ;)
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Can anyone advertise for free then lol?
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
Its a bad thing i think. By making it a secret group, psychology makes you wanna join and look and become involved, once you are then you're apart of it and maybe inclined to buy the product you've 'helped develop'. To me its a cynical marketing ploy. The real leaders clean windows, listen to window cleaners and design/come up with the products for them.
Lee tells us his mag is for window cleaners, independant etc..then defends the use of a PR release with no analyasis as .....i'm just passing on the PR. Well thanks for that , we can and do all get that bumf already.
Lee tells us the mag is his baby and he wants it to be this and that........when questioned he says...why so personal ?
I think Lee has a view to creating a great window cleaning mag that showcases all the latest products, developments etc.. Something that any internet savvy window cleaner already has access to, via suppliers websites, cleaning forums etc.. Great online mag, as a paper version its probably a no goer due to cost, as for what the majority of forum users get from it then i'd say hardly any groundbreaking news. But its presented nice and looks well enough, going no where though.
I would also doubt Lee's sincerity about getting stuff out to the masses as it was only at the release of his online mag that he became involved in any online discussion. And even thats hard to get out of him. There ya go !!
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not been on ciu long and had some very good advice and help cant understand why people are always pulling it down
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Can anyone advertise for free then lol?
What do you want to sell? ;D
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I would have liked to get my canvassing and marketing service in there but got too much on now lol....
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
Its a bad thing i think. By making it a secret group, psychology makes you wanna join and look and become involved, once you are then you're apart of it and maybe inclined to buy the product you've 'helped develop'. To me its a cynical marketing ploy. The real leaders clean windows, listen to window cleaners and design/come up with the products for them.
Lee tells us his mag is for window cleaners, independant etc..then defends the use of a PR release with no analyasis as .....i'm just passing on the PR. Well thanks for that , we can and do all get that bumf already.
Lee tells us the mag is his baby and he wants it to be this and that........when questioned he says...why so personal ?
I think Lee has a view to creating a great window cleaning mag that showcases all the latest products, developments etc.. Something that any internet savvy window cleaner already has access to, via suppliers websites, cleaning forums etc.. Great online mag, as a paper version its probably a no goer due to cost, as for what the majority of forum users get from it then i'd say hardly any groundbreaking news. But its presented nice and looks well enough, going no where though.
I would also doubt Lee's sincerity about getting stuff out to the masses as it was only at the release of his online mag that he became involved in any online discussion. And even thats hard to get out of him. There ya go !!
Parts of that was completely false and misleading.
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I would have liked to get my canvassing and marketing service in there but got too much on now lol....
No probs. ;D
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
Its a bad thing i think. By making it a secret group, psychology makes you wanna join and look and become involved, once you are then you're apart of it and maybe inclined to buy the product you've 'helped develop'. To me its a cynical marketing ploy. The real leaders clean windows, listen to window cleaners and design/come up with the products for them.
Lee tells us his mag is for window cleaners, independant etc..then defends the use of a PR release with no analyasis as .....i'm just passing on the PR. Well thanks for that , we can and do all get that bumf already.
Lee tells us the mag is his baby and he wants it to be this and that........when questioned he says...why so personal ?
I think Lee has a view to creating a great window cleaning mag that showcases all the latest products, developments etc.. Something that any internet savvy window cleaner already has access to, via suppliers websites, cleaning forums etc.. Great online mag, as a paper version its probably a no goer due to cost, as for what the majority of forum users get from it then i'd say hardly any groundbreaking news. But its presented nice and looks well enough, going no where though.
I would also doubt Lee's sincerity about getting stuff out to the masses as it was only at the release of his online mag that he became involved in any online discussion. And even thats hard to get out of him. There ya go !!
Are you subscribed mikecam? I can not tell since your email address is hidden - contact me at lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk
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Cool I am in lol
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
Its a bad thing i think. By making it a secret group, psychology makes you wanna join and look and become involved, once you are then you're apart of it and maybe inclined to buy the product you've 'helped develop'. To me its a cynical marketing ploy. The real leaders clean windows, listen to window cleaners and design/come up with the products for them.
Lee tells us his mag is for window cleaners, independant etc..then defends the use of a PR release with no analyasis as .....i'm just passing on the PR. Well thanks for that , we can and do all get that bumf already.
Lee tells us the mag is his baby and he wants it to be this and that........when questioned he says...why so personal ?
I think Lee has a view to creating a great window cleaning mag that showcases all the latest products, developments etc.. Something that any internet savvy window cleaner already has access to, via suppliers websites, cleaning forums etc.. Great online mag, as a paper version its probably a no goer due to cost, as for what the majority of forum users get from it then i'd say hardly any groundbreaking news. But its presented nice and looks well enough, going no where though.
I would also doubt Lee's sincerity about getting stuff out to the masses as it was only at the release of his online mag that he became involved in any online discussion. And even thats hard to get out of him. There ya go !!
Are you subscribed mikecam? I can not tell since your email address is hidden - contact me at lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk
I'm subscribed mate yeah. cleanandclearliverpool@gmail.com
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
Its a bad thing i think. By making it a secret group, psychology makes you wanna join and look and become involved, once you are then you're apart of it and maybe inclined to buy the product you've 'helped develop'. To me its a cynical marketing ploy. The real leaders clean windows, listen to window cleaners and design/come up with the products for them.
Lee tells us his mag is for window cleaners, independant etc..then defends the use of a PR release with no analyasis as .....i'm just passing on the PR. Well thanks for that , we can and do all get that bumf already.
Lee tells us the mag is his baby and he wants it to be this and that........when questioned he says...why so personal ?
I think Lee has a view to creating a great window cleaning mag that showcases all the latest products, developments etc.. Something that any internet savvy window cleaner already has access to, via suppliers websites, cleaning forums etc.. Great online mag, as a paper version its probably a no goer due to cost, as for what the majority of forum users get from it then i'd say hardly any groundbreaking news. But its presented nice and looks well enough, going no where though.
I would also doubt Lee's sincerity about getting stuff out to the masses as it was only at the release of his online mag that he became involved in any online discussion. And even thats hard to get out of him. There ya go !!
Parts of that was completely false and misleading.
Point them out, if they are i'll happily retract them. Unless of course they're my opinions.
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For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....
Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....
Its a bad thing i think. By making it a secret group, psychology makes you wanna join and look and become involved, once you are then you're apart of it and maybe inclined to buy the product you've 'helped develop'. To me its a cynical marketing ploy. The real leaders clean windows, listen to window cleaners and design/come up with the products for them.
Lee tells us his mag is for window cleaners, independant etc..then defends the use of a PR release with no analyasis as .....i'm just passing on the PR. Well thanks for that , we can and do all get that bumf already.
Lee tells us the mag is his baby and he wants it to be this and that........when questioned he says...why so personal ?
I think Lee has a view to creating a great window cleaning mag that showcases all the latest products, developments etc.. Something that any internet savvy window cleaner already has access to, via suppliers websites, cleaning forums etc.. Great online mag, as a paper version its probably a no goer due to cost, as for what the majority of forum users get from it then i'd say hardly any groundbreaking news. But its presented nice and looks well enough, going no where though.
I would also doubt Lee's sincerity about getting stuff out to the masses as it was only at the release of his online mag that he became involved in any online discussion. And even thats hard to get out of him. There ya go !!
Are you subscribed mikecam? I can not tell since your email address is hidden - contact me at lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk
I'm subscribed mate yeah. cleanandclearliverpool@gmail.com
Thanks for your email ;D
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not been on ciu long and had some very good advice and help cant understand why people are always pulling it down
You mean people in here or people you speak to about it outside the forum? It is a good site, just a slog sometimes ( for me, not for you :)
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I can't see how posting on a forum is a slog? You either post something or you don't.
I think maybe the 'slog' is when posters seem to think they have to either defend themselves or have a go at others.
As for Lee's on line magazine. How many other window cleaning magazines are there?
I quite admire the bloke for getting it going and pushing it on here. It might be all old hat to some and for others it might be boring but I give him 10 out of 10 for actually doing it and for myself, I don't give a stuff whether it's for profit or not as everything else media wise always has profit written into it. I enjoy reading it.
Going back to the magazine, how many on this forum could do the same?
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Fair play to the fella for doing the mag but all the product placement and teasing posts just to get you to the site does get a bit tedious....
I wouldnt want to put all the time and effort in for no return though....
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I can't see how posting on a forum is a slog? You either post something or you don't.
I think maybe the 'slog' is when posters seem to think they have to either defend themselves or have a go at others.
As for Lee's on line magazine. How many other window cleaning magazines are there?
I quite admire the bloke for getting it going and pushing it on here. It might be all old hat to some and for others it might be boring but I give him 10 out of 10 for actually doing it and for myself, I don't give a stuff whether it's for profit or not as everything else media wise always has profit written into it. I enjoy reading it.
Going back to the magazine, how many on this forum could do the same?
Phew - your post was like a breath of fresh air. Many thanks for that.
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Fair play to the fella for doing the mag but all the product placement and teasing posts just to get you to the site does get a bit tedious....
I wouldnt want to put all the time and effort in for no return though....
I understand what you mean and thanks for the comment.
Its like I said in another thread/post, the money side is not that important to me at this time. The 'product placement' is far from what it is intended to be. It is not me working for the company, I am working for the magazine and the product, what ever it might be, is the newest thing on the market most of the time. Its the job of the magazine to let you guys know about it. Not just this forum but other social media groups and other forums too. Sometimes we are bringing the news first to you! Exclusively :)
My opinion on stuff is not always needed. Consumers make their own choices. I would find it difficult to stay independent as a magazine if I took sides regards companies. We are independent and neutral. I want to stick to that path as best as I can.
However the magazine is full of other window cleaners opinions on products they have used. I think thats more important sometimes.
The teasers are just as easy to explain, If it is a product/press release then the teaser press release is the companies design to naturally build interest. Some of these products are actually eagerly anticipated and it wets the appetite of this group.
The teasers for what is in next months magazine ( for example) works on the same process.
You can not please all of the groups all of the time. Its disappointing one or two have to be upset by a thread they could just as easily ignore.
I contribute a lot to this forum too, which I really enjoy. At the same time as this thread I set up one called 'pricing'. This currently has 28 posts of real incites of how we go about pricing up jobs. It has been viewed 404 times. I also give this forum money for advertising, this in turn supports the forum and its running costs. I am happy to continue this.
I am pleased you like the magazine. I work hard and listen to all suggestions. Fell free to email me any time lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk
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Everything you have been posting and everything you are doing and the way you present it tells a story.Its simple to see.
You now wrongly believe you are superior to the ranks of "on the glass" cleaners,the almost total majority on this site including myself.If you`d ever expressed any humility you might have kept this hidden.
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Everything you have been posting and everything you are doing and the way you present it tells a story.Its simple to see.
You now wrongly believe you are superior to the ranks of "on the glass" cleaners,the almost total majority on this site including myself.If you`d ever expressed any humility you might have kept this hidden.
I went out this morning and did a job for 2 hours, I invoiced them £120.00+vat came back home and started on the magazine again. Not sure what the point your making, I love being on the tools ( so Im like you then ;D )
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Everything you have been posting and everything you are doing and the way you present it tells a story.Its simple to see.
You now wrongly believe you are superior to the ranks of "on the glass" cleaners,the almost total majority on this site including myself.If you`d ever expressed any humility you might have kept this hidden.
How can you say " You now wrongly believe you are superior'?? I have addressed every point in the last post. Not sure you should be pretending you know what I think because its way off the mark lol
Trouble is this thread is so vast ( and I have been in it from the start) that you are not going to be able to read all of it ( even if you had the time) so its easy to take parts out and form a different opinion. I get it - Im not offended :)
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Everything you have been posting and everything you are doing and the way you present it tells a story.Its simple to see.
You now wrongly believe you are superior to the ranks of "on the glass" cleaners,the almost total majority on this site including myself.If you`d ever expressed any humility you might have kept this hidden.
Sean, if I can help you can email me lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk
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Its all right cherry picking and allowing that to make you feel superior but you`ll lose the ability to drudge and then everything will fall apart as you spent too much time stroking the ego with a magazine nobody needs.
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Its all right cherry picking and allowing that to make you feel superior but you`ll lose the ability to drudge and then everything will fall apart as you spent too much time stroking the ego with a magazine nobody needs.
Ok ;D I have pizza waiting......... talk soon ;D
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Just for the record Lee you dont upset me, I am just offering my opinion....
If it was a magazine nobody needed drudge then no one would read it but many do so fair play to the fella....
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Just for the record Lee you dont upset me, I am just offering my opinion....
If it was a magazine nobody needed drudge then no one would read it but many do so fair play to the fella....
;D ;D ;D ;D
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CIU is a corner of a big ocean I am networking with
You said it well there Lee.
This place looks busy but in reality it's just a small corner of a big ocean.
- for example his thread has probably been read in detail by just a handful of guys.
So don't waste too much time on here - These forums have the tendency to draw you in and waste your time - (like me writing this now)
what you are doing is admirable and its obvious you are passionate about window cleaning.
You've created something - well done. It will require your time and focus to keep it going and improve it.
Your advert is on the site, you've got your mag up and running - but your time is limited.
- Go and DO, keep doing and the threads will start without you.
Just ignore the baloon poppers.
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CIU is a corner of a big ocean I am networking with
You said it well there Lee.
This place looks busy but in reality it's just a small corner of a big ocean.
- for example his thread has probably been read in detail by just a handful of guys.
So don't waste too much time on here - These forums have the tendency to draw you in and waste your time - (like me writing this now)
what you are doing is admirable and its obvious you are passionate about window cleaning.
You've created something - well done. It will require your time and focus to keep it going and improve it.
Your advert is on the site, you've got your mag up and running - but your time is limited.
- Go and DO, keep doing and the threads will start without you.
Just ignore the baloon poppers.
Thank you for that. You know - I am actually going to print your quote off and stick it on my office wall. Thanks again ( what you say is so true )
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Just ignore the baloon poppers.
Yeah and target the people who think lateral clamps and pole extensions have just been invented. After all, someone s gotta tell 'em !!