Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: concept on April 14, 2012, 06:35:50 pm
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Canvasser required, Milton Keynes.
Anyone considered, cash waiting.
Please note, I will not pay anything up front or for a list of addresses.
If you're good, you will earn good money by being honest, as I won't work with someone who employs blaggers on the door, over promising just to get their commission, then disappear off with my money.
If you are professional in how you conduct your business, please contact me:
Simon 07805 787424
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Ditto
But in Birmingham please
William 07901566541
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Canvasser required, Milton Keynes.
Anyone considered, cash waiting.
Please note, I will not pay anything up front or for a list of addresses.
If you're good, you will earn good money by being honest, as I won't work with someone who employs blaggers on the door, over promising just to get their commission, then disappear off with my money.
If you are professional in how you conduct your business, please contact me:
Simon 07805 787424
I'll bet your phones going like the hotline tonight eh??
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Canvasser required, Milton Keynes.
Anyone considered, cash waiting.
Please note, I will not pay anything up front or for a list of addresses.
If you're good, you will earn good money by being honest, as I won't work with someone who employs blaggers on the door, over promising just to get their commission, then disappear off with my money.
If you are professional in how you conduct your business, please contact me:
Simon 07805 787424
I'll bet your phones going like the hotline tonight eh??
Hmm, maybe I have a poor signal?! Lol
It's a serious request, we are an established, busy firm, and if there is someone who wants to earn good money, theres a good opportunity.
I will talk to anyone who is prepared to be honest, professional and up front about how they will operate, and gets results without the deal being solely in their favour.
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I would but I have more work than I can cope with lol....
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It is best getting your own canvasser if you can. It's a pretty difficult thing to do mind. My best work came from John the guy I had for a few years. He knew how to price well
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I would but I have more work than I can cope with lol....
Doing a good job then?
Shame there's not more like you.
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It is best getting your own canvasser if you can. It's a pretty difficult thing to do mind. My best work came from John the guy I had for a few years. He knew how to price well
Yeah, shame our friend from Olney didn't...
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I would but I have more work than I can cope with lol....
Doing a good job then?
Shame there's not more like you.
I am doing a very good job and I appreciate the sentiment, thank you....
The system I have put in place really works for all involved....
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Hopefully some others will see how you operate and do something similar.
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To be honest I dont think they will, I have total confidence in what I do and I am not out to rip anyone off so I can stand by my payment structure. There are cancellations and issues cos what I do isnt an exact science but everyone I have worked with understands this and trusts what I am doing....
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It is best getting your own canvasser if you can. It's a pretty difficult thing to do mind. My best work came from John the guy I had for a few years. He knew how to price well
Yeah, shame our friend from Olney didn't...
It's only when you get crap like that you appreciate what can be achieved.
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I don't want them, i told you we don't want council houses ...............(you told us the estate the canvass)
£8 jobs are no good to us, we said we want £10 minimum................(you told us to canvass them small streets)
We don't do alley gates and entries..............................................(ok, i'll give that work to a window cleaner that does)
We wanted regular work not one off's............................................(they didn;t like you or your attitude. Me getting the job is one thing, you keeping it is another)
.....................Must be loads more canvassing woes, anyone add to them ?!!! ;D
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They are all easily avoided with good communication....
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I don't want them, i told you we don't want council houses ...............(you told us the estate the canvass)
£8 jobs are no good to us, we said we want £10 minimum................(you told us to canvass them small streets)
We don't do alley gates and entries..............................................(ok, i'll give that work to a window cleaner that does)
We wanted regular work not one off's............................................(they didn;t like you or your attitude. Me getting the job is one thing, you keeping it is another)
.....................Must be loads more canvassing woes, anyone add to them ?!!! ;D
hahahh i love it mate,
hard to add to this its epic!
concept no canvasser will work to the way you want him to work or you will have a very very hard time finding one !
for example if you ask for only semi or detached houses the canvasser will normally "get lost" to a lovely terraced street where he will pick you up lovely one offs and the best part of it is you wont know that they are one offs till maybe 2 months down the line :)
you need to train someone up and dont promise them the world offer them 2 payments 50% and 50% or just 50% per clean, or £5 to £10 on smaller orders one off or a regular just clean them all dont quiz customers cos on average 50% will stick longer term,so you will be up on some and break even on the others since you always have the other 50% of the clean it will cover your running costs and more its such a long process cos these days people aint keen for it every month and the drop rate is higher then ever so it takes ages to boost or build a round.
trick is to make sure he is earning a reasonable amount of money but not silly amounts end of the day you need to be up on every single deal a decent person could pick up 13+ leads a day maybe 9 cleans out of it your canvasser earns about £75+ for walking about not bad and the good thing is its a one off payment he dont need to worry about them sticking and you aint down too,oh and if they say pay me more ill give you a guarantee that cant be done! its not realistic!
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Cyrstal, ever since I have been on here this year you have been banging on about paying less and up on every deal.... Do you really think I am going to run my own business for 75 a day? The system I have in place works both ways and so far its working.
As for employing your own, there is an old saying that if you pay peanuts that you will get monkeys. If you want to pay less you will get a self fullfilling prophecy, you pay less, you get monkeys, they dont do a good job so you say ALL canvassers are the same!
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GD this aint a post about your business pls lets not go on about it.Now the problems mikecam mentioned are just so true as for employing your own i dont think paying aprox a self employed canvasser £70+ a day is exactly peanuts,its enof to keep people interested they can do it as a top up or while they study etc etc.
now im not saying YOU will be happy with that rate but belive it or not alot of people are and as you are paid alot more im sure you will have very high motivation
therefor yes maybe the deals will be stronger or simply you will cover more ground.
but you could cost the window cleaner alot more money if for any reason he gets a higher rate of cancelation as to someone who is paid less , you could look at it in different ways he gets less you get more but end of the day customers cancel if i knew the cancelation rate is less then 15% then and the rest stick for 5 cleans or more then paying you 200% is no problem but it just dont work out like that..
and for the record im quite impressed that you are still going fully booked at 200% on leads (we call them leads cos no one is a customer till the 3rd or 4th clean...) and no window cleaners kicked off yet at you,the only thing which is a bit naughty is some cancelations you still need to pay you 100% but im only guessing till now u have had a very low rate so windys aint bothered i do know everyone needs to make money.. and if it is low its fine that window cleaners swallow that.
ive said before you have a decent deal going so if its working for you and window cleaners that brilliant
end of the day we are all in this game to make money and most of us who hired certain canvassers in the past did not make us much money and to be frank its not even the canvassers fualt at times its the customers, thats why some of us dont want to pay that much.
and overall i think im giving concept good advise he will have a very hard time finding a company/window cleaner canvasser who is going to build up the way he wants cos look you seem to have a good thing going on but you are fully booked
that said if you really want to get decent work you need to train your own up it takes time and you might need to change a few people. but nothings easy
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Just to be perfectly clear, I am not promoting my business at all as I have more than enough work. I was trying to give to the thread too....
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Crystal-clear, if I can't find anyone, it's their loss, not mine.
I am not a window lean leaner looking for an extra £200 a month, there is a large opportunity for someone to work WITH me, not just FOR me, and be very successful on a long term basis, not just one night of relieving me of some hard earned cash in exchange for a load of addresses that want one-offs, been promised conservatory cleans free of charge, etc etc.
I simply will not be ripped off by a chancer, or his band of chancers.
In all honesty, George and his model are what I need, however the other canvassers seem to bury their heads in the sand and not want to adapt their approach to their customers needs, hence we see canvassers claim the world for a short period, then disappear into the night.
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Isn't the problem of losing iCustomers inherent with canvassing?
For a start you are on the back foot as you are asking for the work. Your negotiating position on price and first clean is weak. If a wc knocked my door offering their services and said £10 monthly but £20 first clean I would say no. If however I called the wc and he offered the same terms I would be more willing to accept.
What's the Ricky Gervais sketch?
"I've got two jobs," he tells her.
"Window cleaning?" she replies. "That's not a proper job!"
"How d'you make that out?"
"Cleaning windows?” she says. “It's almost like begging!"
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its true, i do charge more on the first clean 1.5 which aint enof 2x is better but thats alot harder when someone calls me up from a leaflet its amazing 2.5s very easy first time.
this is why im looking at mass leafleting soon , using that gps thing that perfect was on about to make sure i aint getting ripped off.
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Canvassing brings a mix of customers, thats why I always say to leaflet too. Best of all is canvassing after a leaflet, I worked an area last week that had been leafleted and pick up the ones who had the leaflet but hadnt called. Knocking on their door is a call to action....
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Hey Concept
Why don't you get out there yourself and do it if you know exactly what you want and you can't find anyone ???
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Too busy, and me going out alone wont achieve the same results as a team of canvassers hitting it hard over a few days.
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Too busy? ;D or can't be arsed? ;)
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Too busy? ;D or can't be arsed? ;)
Too busy.
Golf handicaps aren't just given away.
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i thought the handicap was your clubs?
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Not a bad thing..
Canvass yourself and get less customers, but all good quality sustainable ones, and in your own style, or pay a team of canvassers and get more customers, but have to accept not all quality and some shrinkage of numbers, which will always be a part of door to door canvassing.
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Still needed.
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So is this whole forum ;D
Im pretty sure most people can afford to have a full time canvasser that makes them money all year long.it doesn't work that way mate,cancelations are the problem...and it's 50%
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Have u tried leafleting?
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George,
How long would you say to leave before knocking the doors that have been leafleted? I got extra cards from vistaprint so I could have free carriage so decided to card a few streets up , did about 50 houses just to try it. No response as yet about 4 days now. You should travel round doing canvassing clinics you will do well. ta Pauly
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Hi
Once they have been leafletted its best in the next week or so, there will be people who have seen the card and meant to call and the knock on the door is all they need.... I have had brilliant knocks even when another company has leafletted! They just have window cleaning in their mind....
As for running canvassing courses, I have seriously thought about it in the past but I wasnt sure there would be much call for it... I would seriously consider running a days course if there was enough interest....
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You reckon it would take a day to train in door knocking?
I'll save you the trouble and break down as best I can
Knock and say "hi, do you have a regular window cleaner?"
If the say no. Say would you like one?
If they say yes. Say tell me his price and I'll beat it while offering a great service.
Lesson over....
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I'm not long starting up so have not canvassed much yet ,did some last saturday and got a couple and back out again this weekend. I aint keen on under cutting and p***ng other windys off,if they say already got one. I just say thanks have a nice day. On the other hand if I am asked for a price coz they not happy with windy they got then I will give it them. I dont expect to find a street with no windy at all but on the lookout for dirty windows and frames. Oh well at least excercise will do me good.. ;D
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Very funny steve, if you think that it is that simple you are very very wrong....
Its not rocket science but there are a lot of factors that can ruin your day....
But as usual on here everyone always knows best lol....
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I'm not long starting up so have not canvassed much yet ,did some last saturday and got a couple and back out again this weekend. I aint keen on under cutting and p***ng other windys off,if they say already got one. I just say thanks have a nice day. On the other hand if I am asked for a price coz they not happy with windy they got then I will give it them. I dont expect to find a street with no windy at all but on the lookout for dirty windows and frames. Oh well at least excercise will do me good.. ;D
the ones with dirty windows are normally the ones that don#t want a window cleaner, my advice would be tp never second guess any house
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Never never ever pre judge, knock on every single door....
You will be surprised by the results....
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Very funny steve, if you think that it is that simple you are very very wrong....
Its not rocket science but there are a lot of factors that can ruin your day....
But as usual on here everyone always knows best lol....
It's a numbers game. The more you knock, the more that answer, the more you get.
Some areas have window cleaners some don't.
Its that simple.
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Have you ever done any kind of sales Steve? You could knock a street with no window cleaner and still get a load of no's if you approach it wrong, proper canvassers dont just collect the yes's. People buy into people...
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Never never ever pre judge, knock on every single door....
You will be surprised by the results....
Like knocking on Valentine's day night George? ;) :o
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I never said everyday was perfect simon lol...
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I never said everyday was perfect simon lol...
Agreed, but I was actually recalling the story about the guy answering "WHAT?!?!" in the dressing gown on St Val's...
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...And that was a good knock that eve, over £100-
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Lol I forgot about him, you never know what you going to get once they open the door....
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Have you ever done any kind of sales Steve? You could knock a street with no window cleaner and still get a load of no's if you approach it wrong, proper canvassers dont just collect the yes's. People buy into people...
I've never sold anything before in my life. My business grew from magic beans...
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Have you ever done any kind of sales Steve? You could knock a street with no window cleaner and still get a load of no's if you approach it wrong, proper canvassers dont just collect the yes's. People buy into people...
I've never sold anything before in my life. My business grew from magic beans...
do you still have them beans, please post me some ;D
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makes me laugh, have i sold anything? ;D
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Just because you are so good and find everything so easy I will bow down to your knowledge.... Its amazing how many multi millionaire experts you meet on here....that is you right Steve?
It always amazes me how patronizing people can be on here, they think that because they can do one particular aspect of the business that everyone should be able to do them same..... Its not always the case....
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makes me laugh, have i sold anything? ;D
This is just the kind of post I am on about....
I dont know you Steve so I dont know anything about you! You are not that well known that I should know what you have done....
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;D
calm down!
it just amazes me how you are dressing up door knocking. Its simple, if you can accept the knock backs and you have the drive to keep knocking then you will be successful at it.
But to ask if i have sold anything before is trying to patronise me is it not? Pot, kettle, black!
I don't claim to know everything and i tend not to bleat on here to much but when i can see someone trying to dress something up and come up with a load of crap. It beggars belief!
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How am I dressing it up? I was asked a question by someone and replied, you then felt then need to jump in and say it wasnt needed....
I will defend door knocking cos its what I do for a living and if you think its that simple then you are wrong, its only simple to people that can do it and that obviously includes you.... but not everyone finds it that easy....
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I hate door knocking. That's why I have got people to do it. I have done it though in the early days and can do it. I have tested patter, girls, boys, uniform, no uniform. Smart, casual.
What was the best result? A bloke with a limp and a stutter. Work that out...
....it's cause he was relentless in his pursuit
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Just cos he got the best figures doesnt make it the best result, i would never knock hard work but I would rather work smart and do the jon well....
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didn't i say result? who said figures?
the best result is someone who brings the work that is well paid, good access, signed for 3 months so its not a one off.
I went down the route with a well known door knockersing :) company. They brought me bigger figures but always a lot of drama.
I know how to work smarter, its served me well.
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I dont do drama and my stick rate is very good...
Not all canvassers are the same....
When I have took people on in the past I have trained them to be better at the job, why shouldnt window cleaners who want to canvass themselves get training to be better?
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Didn't you struggle to get prices over a tenner before for Simon at concept in our area? I think that's what he told me ages ago.
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Lol is that what he told you? Thats not what happened that day at all but I am not discussing it on here....
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Yeah, I think so, why didn't you get results if you know what your doing?
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It was a personal issue between him and me....
Its funny how low some people will sink steve....
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It's not low. I think it's a valid question if that's that case?
He said it in passing no conspiracy. I'm just intreged to know why you couldn't get over a tenner if that was the case.
When i had my houses I had an average price of about 16quid each until I bought some crap work.
Your telling me how you know what your doing and work smart so I'm asking why you couldn't achieve that here if it's the case?
I don't see how that is sinking low.
If you had some personal reason I don't know about then I apologize but from a business point of view I don't see the issue in me asking?
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It was a personal issue between him and me....
Its funny how low some people will sink steve....
George, you couldn't get the money down here, f***ed off with your tail between your legs as you couldn't make easy money, then wouldn't answer call or texts.
That's facts.
Now kindly f*** off and hawk your wares on another thread, thanks very much :D
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You are trying to sully my reputation on a public forum by bringing up an issue that that you know nothing about over three years ago, I would call that low...
And as for you simon thats not what happened and you know it....
You are only like this cos I wont work for you again lol
Pathetic the pair of you....
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And as for hawking my wares, you are kidding right? I have too much work as it is...
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It was a personal issue between him and me....
Its funny how low some people will sink steve....
George, you couldn't get the money down here, f***ed off with your tail between your legs as you couldn't make easy money, then wouldn't answer call or texts.
That's facts.
Now kindly f*** off and hawk your wares on another thread, thanks very much :D
You were waiting in the wings. Lol. Is that what happened then? Ok cheers it's all I wanted to know
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You are trying to sully my reputation on a public forum by bringing up an issue that that you know nothing about over three years ago, I would call that low...
And as for you simon thats not what happened and you know it....
You are only like this cos I wont work for you again lol
Pathetic the pair of you....
I wernt trying to do anything other than ask you a question
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Another canvassers thread gone to pot, surprise surprise, the mere mention of canvassers gets people's temperature raised.
Ever wondered the reason behind it?!
Slippery snakes most of them.
Carry on robbing, there's plenty of mugs out there.
What happened if it wasn't that?!?! I must be going daft...
Listen, I don't give a poop if you worked for me again, I'd be happy to pay ANYONE for results, even if I didn't like them. If they got me customers, then it really doesn't matter who or what they are.
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Steve I have been working for someone you know well and have no issues with price, ask him...
And simon, the reason I went home was you were arrogant and we just didnt get on and had little knowledge at the time. You didnt even give me a guide on the price and couldnt do 3 storey houses in Milton Keynes.
I just decided to knock it on the head and go home, it didnt cost you a penny so why so bitter?
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In fact you both know the fella well who I have been working for.... Ask him, its that simple.
Its funny how you bring money up when I didnt cost you a penny....
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Do you want to tell me who it is or shall I try and guess out of all the 50 or so window cleaners I know
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Not naming him on here without him knowing, I was at his house the other day when you were discussing a food trailer website...
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Ok no probs. I'm with you. Good website isnt it ;)
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It is actually...
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Man of many talents.
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Steve I have been working for someone you know well and have no issues with price, ask him...
And simon, the reason I went home was you were arrogant and we just didnt get on and had little knowledge at the time. You didnt even give me a guide on the price and couldnt do 3 storey houses in Milton Keynes.
I just decided to knock it on the head and go home, it didnt cost you a penny so why so bitter?
Bitter and arrogant?
Why didn't you say so at the time? You'd have gone flying out my window in a backwards motion.
Couldn't do 3 storey? Really?! A 26ft pole doesn't reach them...but then you would know, as you're GDWindowcanvassing GDWindowcleaning...
Now please, you've ruined my thread requesting a genuine canvasser.
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At that time you didnt have a 26 foot pole....
Lol another big man with his threats....
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No threats, you were in my house, and if I'd have known at the time, you'd have been leaving, pretty simple.
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Could you not tell I wanted to leave asap? Got bored of your stories of how very good you were....
And I didnt hijack this thread, I was just defending myself...
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Bitter and arrogant?
Why didn't you say so at the time? You'd have gone flying out my window in a backwards motion.
Here's a sig for someone , free !!!