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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jim mca on March 22, 2012, 10:54:11 pm
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Does anyone in the north have one of these machines would love to try before I buy the nearer to glasgow the better
cheers Jim
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Hi Jim
Had a go with the Airflex Storm yesterday from a supplier in Folkstone, Kent..What a machine,blew me & the wife away on the power it had ,even with 100 ft of hose on it :o.Makes our Prochem powermax look S**t.... The remote feature was great leave the machine in the van & use the remote to turn machine on and off and dump waste.
2 jobs today we left our machine in the van to see what the Storm would be like to work with,it would save us so much time (set up/ pack away).
The supplier does a lease plan so going to sort this out very soon.
Richard
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Can't help you with seeing mine as I live too far away. I started off nearly two years ago with the Airflex Pro 130 and whilst a well built machine which did me very well to start with, I did want more power. I upgraded to a Storm a few weeks ago and it is soooo much better and I purchased this after owning a Scorpion for a brief while too. I am really pleased with my new machine. Why don't you give Matt a ring at Cleansmart and see if he has sold one to someone near you who would be willing to let you have a go, they might not frequent the forums.
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I know nothing about the Airflex storm Jim, bit I am very pleased with my Jaguar. You will no doubt test both before buying.
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Is it hurting being sat on the fence????
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LOL Billy ;D
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Is it hurting being sat on the fence????
;D ;D ;D
vaseline helps
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You used to be on the other channel a lot Creighton, in full chats with David Rogers....
What happened??
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what ever happened to the good old fashioned tm vs portable debate. Now all you get is portable s that want to be tms against each other.
so i will start things off tms are far more productive, efficient , professional than any portable i am off out now so will come home to a volley of abuse .
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I think an oven pride v's Vanquish debate is way over-due.... ;D
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David packed in, jim I'm sure tony (carpet dawg) has got one he's in your neck of the woods, I've got a jag I chose it because I know about how passionate nick is about it and the service I would get from him because he some how has an umbilical cord to it it really is his baby ;D
Shaun
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Richard I agree I have both and can clean faster with my tm but that usually costs me another £1.50 per carpet with fuel costs :o
Sir Shaun of Yorkshire
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Richard I agree I have both and can clean faster with my tm but that usually costs me another £1.50 per carpet with fuel costs :o
Sir Shaun of Yorkshire
I gain that back on the extra productivity of the TM ;D
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Why what extra does it produce??
beer??
coffee??
what??
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Why what extra does it produce??
beer??
coffee??
what??
;D ;D
Shut up you ole muck spreader you!!!!
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i actually have a muck spreader
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I've deleted the post about Solutions bankrupcy as we don't know the facts so anything posted is speculation and as Nick cannot post a reply its not fair to him.
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You used to be on the other channel a lot Creighton, in full chats with David Rogers....
What happened??
i got on well with david rogers (in the end) he has gone on to better things music i think!.
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Why what extra does it produce??
beer??
coffee??
what??
;D ;D
Shut up you ole muck spreader you!!!!
;D ;D ;D
Hmmmmm I get more mpg from my rotary than you do from your little blower :P :P :P
;D ;D ;D
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David packed in, jim I'm sure tony (carpet dawg) has got one he's in your neck of the woods, I've got a jag I chose it because I know about how passionate nick is about it and the service I would get from him because he some how has an umbilical cord to it it really is his baby ;D
Shaun
Shaun,
The Jaguar is a Cross American product as you well know. Nick is a distributor of that product. He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it. I do not doubt that he provides you with a great service and it clearly is your choice what you buy from where.
The Airflex in contrast is designed by Cleansmart, financed by Cleansmart, built by Cleansmart and owned by Cleansmart. It really is Matt's baby and I admire him because he put everything on the line to make it happen. I can't remember the last time a uk supplier designed a new anything for carpet cleaning, especially such a high quality product. If the Airflex had not been a winner I dare say that Matt and Cleansmart would have been sunk without trace.
My point is if you were looking for a machine with an umbilical cord attached to it - in my humble opinion you chose the wrong one :-X
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David packed in, jim I'm sure tony (carpet dawg) has got one he's in your neck of the woods, I've got a jag I chose it because I know about how passionate nick is about it and the service I would get from him because he some how has an umbilical cord to it it really is his baby ;D
Shaun
Shaun,
The Jaguar is a Cross American product as you well know. Nick is a distributor of that product. He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it. I do not doubt that he provides you with a great service and it clearly is your choice what you buy from where.
The Airflex in contrast is designed by Cleansmart, financed by Cleansmart, built by Cleansmart and owned by Cleansmart. It really is Matt's baby and I admire him because he put everything on the line to make it happen. I can't remember the last time a uk supplier designed a new anything for carpet cleaning, especially such a high quality product. If the Airflex had not been a winner I dare say that Matt and Cleansmart would have been sunk without trace.
My point is if you were looking for a machine with an umbilical cord attached to it - in my humble opinion you chose the wrong one :-X
"LIKE"
well said that man, i've got a lot of respect for mat at cleansmart, his service is fantastic and his new range of chems hold there own.
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I'd agree with Richard C, get in touch with Matt and find out if there is one closer to you, I'm sure he would be happy to help.
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As Shaun says I do have the Airflex but not the Storm (yet!). I will be getting one soon though.
You are welcome to come over to Edinburgh and have a go but as i said its not the Storm model.
Never delt with Solutions but I have delt with Cleansmart and i can say first hand they are a great company to do business with!
Having been cleaning carpets and upholstery for over 15 years (12 self employed) the Airflex is the best machine i have used by far and thats with trying most portable machines on the market.
Very well built and thought out machine. Replacing (wearable) parts is extremely easy and quick. You can have the machine open in two parts in less than a minute and with no tools needed!
And there's a nifty break at the front wheel! so you can rest the machine on an incline without worry.
Tony
Edit: comes with an hours counter too! This is very useful as you know exactly how many hours your pump and vacs have done. There are some on here that can go for years without changing parts... empty diary springs to mind :P
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Really, it's just a case of loyalty to your supplier and this should be admired.
Unfortunately, some of us (and I include myself) can take it a bit too far and we end up directly or indirectly slating a product or supplier that we know very little about. Obviously in my position, I can't and won't partake in promoting....
If we were being grown up about this, we would just comment positively on what we know about the product/supplier and leave it at that.
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Nigel the design of the components were a dual thing with Ed and John Bolton therefore I think you could say it is a family partnership, I'm sure matts machine is very good I did have a play with one it looks very nice.
Shaun
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Just so you know, if you dont need the auto pump out remote device on the AirFlex Storm you can ask Matt not to include it and save around £350 (might be a bit more or less cant remember)
Same with the pumphead on the Storm. You can have a 200psi, 350psi and 800psi pump. The price advertised is for the 800psi but will be cheaper if you take the 200 or 350.
Lets be honest, 350psi more than enough to do most carpets.
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Saving of money and weight.
Shaun
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Just so you know, if you dont need the auto pump out remote device on the AirFlex Storm you can ask Matt not to include it and save around £350 (might be a bit more or less cant remember)
Same with the pumphead on the Storm. You can have a 200psi, 350psi and 800psi pump. The price advertised is for the 800psi but will be cheaper if you take the 200 or 350.
Lets be honest, 350psi more than enough to do most carpets.
Thats quite good that is!!! Might consider that for my back up machine!!! Finally replace the steempro!!!! had to use twice since i got the TM, never again!!!!
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I'm from Edinburgh Shaun! Money first!! ;D ;D
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I understand Tony it's a subject close to my heart ;D
McShaun
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David packed in, jim I'm sure tony (carpet dawg) has got one he's in your neck of the woods, I've got a jag I chose it because I know about how passionate nick is about it and the service I would get from him because he some how has an umbilical cord to it it really is his baby ;D
Shaun
Shaun,
The Jaguar is a Cross American product as you well know. Nick is a distributor of that product. He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it. I do not doubt that he provides you with a great service and it clearly is your choice what you buy from where.
The Airflex in contrast is designed by Cleansmart, financed by Cleansmart, built by Cleansmart and owned by Cleansmart. It really is Matt's baby and I admire him because he put everything on the line to make it happen. I can't remember the last time a uk supplier designed a new anything for carpet cleaning, especially such a high quality product. If the Airflex had not been a winner I dare say that Matt and Cleansmart would have been sunk without trace.
My point is if you were looking for a machine with an umbilical cord attached to it - in my humble opinion you chose the wrong one :-X
Good post Nigel.
I've had the Turbo for 2 years nearly, it's had 1 new vac and upgrades free of charge when required.
More than happy with my purchase, but at the end of the day it just sucks and squirts.
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Have had a couple jags mk2, series 1 all restoration projects
But as Steve said end of the day it just sucks and squirts that’s why I chose the black max ;)
Shaun who told you that :o ;) glad to see the union flag proceeding stars and strips (it’s on the wand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NDmDxdnGLY&feature=related) ;D ;)
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Shaun who told you that :o ;) glad to see the union flag proceeding stars and strips (it’s on the wand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NDmDxdnGLY&feature=related) ;D ;)
;D
Mr Valentine doing camera and narration there no doubt ...
He talks like he types ... ;D
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Edit: comes with an hours counter too! This is very useful as you know exactly how many hours your pump and vacs have done. There are some on here that can go for years without changing parts... empty diary springs to mind :P
Don't know why but the Storm doesn't come with a hours counter, strange considering the Turbo did have one, not sure why Matt decided not to include one as it would be handy to know how many hours you have clocked up and you can plan and schedule your servicing etc. But still very happy with my choice. ;D ;D
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my airflex turbo does not have an hr counter .
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my airflex turbo does not have an hr counter .
Neither does mine
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my airflex turbo does not have an hr counter
Neither does mine
Thats because they stop working and I think thats why Matt stopped fitting them
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Hi Jim
Had a go with the Airflex Storm yesterday from a supplier in Folkstone, Kent..What a machine,blew me & the wife away on the power it had ,even with 100 ft of hose on it :o.Makes our Prochem powermax look S**t.... The remote feature was great leave the machine in the van & use the remote to turn machine on and off and dump waste.
2 jobs today we left our machine in the van to see what the Storm would be like to work with,it would save us so much time (set up/ pack away).
The supplier does a lease plan so going to sort this out very soon.
Richard
Who supplies these in Folkestone ? I can only think of Folkestone cleaning and if the service they give now is the same as when they were Prochem dealers I'd travel for one
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I've only used a small Airflex.
But going on looks alone the Airflex has it hands down.
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mine has an hour meter :-*
One of these might fit the bill http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tech-Hour-Meter-Generator-other-110-240-Volts-AC-/260796746769?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb8b28c11#ht_2679wt_952 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tech-Hour-Meter-Generator-other-110-240-Volts-AC-/260796746769?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb8b28c11#ht_2679wt_952)
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Hi Jim
Had a go with the Airflex Storm yesterday from a supplier in Folkstone, Kent..What a machine,blew me & the wife away on the power it had ,even with 100 ft of hose on it :o.Makes our Prochem powermax look S**t.... The remote feature was great leave the machine in the van & use the remote to turn machine on and off and dump waste.
2 jobs today we left our machine in the van to see what the Storm would be like to work with,it would save us so much time (set up/ pack away).
The supplier does a lease plan so going to sort this out very soon.
Richard
Who supplies these in Folkestone ? I can only think of Folkestone cleaning and if the service they give now is the same as when they were Prochem dealers I'd travel for one
gavin at dirtbusters in folkestone and is the new south england supplier of th airflex. I have met gavin when i bought an oven cleaning dip tank from them really nice chap.
cant comment on the jag as i have not used one although i have seen one and looks good and have no reason to doubt the ood reports. I have used the airflex and is a well thought out well built project designed and built by matt at cleansmart in the uk who offers customer service of the highest calibre.
here is a link to dirtbusters
http://dirtbusterscarpetcleaningsupplies.co.uk/
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my airflex turbo does not have an hr counter .
My machine has one and works fine.
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Thanks Richard Basey-Fisher for adding link to Gavins site. ;)
Found Gavin at Dirtbusters very helpful aswell.
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Can't help you with seeing mine as I live too far away. I started off nearly two years ago with the Airflex Pro 130 and whilst a well built machine which did me very well to start with, I did want more power. I upgraded to a Storm a few weeks ago and it is soooo much better and I purchased this after owning a Scorpion for a brief while too. I am really pleased with my new machine. Why don't you give Matt a ring at Cleansmart and see if he has sold one to someone near you who would be willing to let you have a go, they might not frequent the forums.
Richard, how long was the max hose length you used with the Pro 130?
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Hi Andrew
I only had 50ft and it worked fine, although I believe you can use it up to 75ft but you would lose a bit of suction. To be honest 50ft gets you round 95% of the jobs and the occasion it was not enough I would take the machine into the house or on a very rare occasion upstairs. :)
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Can't help you with seeing mine as I live too far away. I started off nearly two years ago with the Airflex Pro 130 and whilst a well built machine which did me very well to start with, I did want more power. I upgraded to a Storm a few weeks ago and it is soooo much better and I purchased this after owning a Scorpion for a brief while too. I am really pleased with my new machine. Why don't you give Matt a ring at Cleansmart and see if he has sold one to someone near you who would be willing to let you have a go, they might not frequent the forums.
Richard, how long was the max hose length you used with the Pro 130?
Andrew forgot to ask do you get much business with P.A.T testing, i have considered this before but didn't know if there was too much competition and not enough money for the amount of work compared to carpet cleaning, who did you do your training with?
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Andrew forgot to ask do you get much business with P.A.T testing, i have considered this before but didn't know if there was too much competition and not enough money for the amount of work compared to carpet cleaning, who did you do your training with? "
Many thanks Richard. I'll get another 25ft on order. :)
I dont tend to do (or get) much new PAT work nowadays as I am concentrating on carpet and upholstery cleaning so not pushing the PAT side of things. I have had lots of enquiries but not much new work as there are a couple of large companies out there going in with silly prices fooling people into thinking they are the cheapest and best option. With these companies you are paying for an expensive sticker jockey and not a full test as per the IEC Code of Practice, but then, somepeople just dont care and only want the cheapest option to get a certificate. Theres loads of debates on this on LinkedIn, may be worth a read up on it on there.
Honestly though, unless there is a gap in the market where you are or you have a cunning plan, then I wouldnt bother. With the cost of the training, and a decent tester and software, the website, marketing etc, it can take a while to break even or even a profit. But if you do want to go forward with it, my training was with these people http://www.pat-services.co.uk/pat_testing_training_courses.html
regards
Andrew
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Why would you need a course on PAT testing?
It's basically common sense.
John
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Why would you need a course on PAT testing?
It's basically common sense.
John
You are quite right, it is common sense. And as long as the person testing is deemed as being "Competent" and knows what to look for, what is the correct size cable, what is the correct size fuse, what appliance has an earth, what doesnt, What the difference is between a class 1 item and a class 2 item, then yes, its common sense. I cant argue with that at all. ::)
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David packed in, jim I'm sure tony (carpet dawg) has got one he's in your neck of the woods, I've got a jag I chose it because I know about how passionate nick is about it and the service I would get from him because he some how has an umbilical cord to it it really is his baby ;D
Shaun
Shaun,
The Jaguar is a Cross American product as you well know. Nick is a distributor of that product. He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it. I do not doubt that he provides you with a great service and it clearly is your choice what you buy from where.
The Airflex in contrast is designed by Cleansmart, financed by Cleansmart, built by Cleansmart and owned by Cleansmart. It really is Matt's baby and I admire him because he put everything on the line to make it happen. I can't remember the last time a uk supplier designed a new anything for carpet cleaning, especially such a high quality product. If the Airflex had not been a winner I dare say that Matt and Cleansmart would have been sunk without trace.
My point is if you were looking for a machine with an umbilical cord attached to it - in my humble opinion you chose the wrong one :-X
Well said Nigel what Mat has done is quite an achievement but to also provide the customer service to back up an excellent product makes it a winning package in my opinion.
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The Jaguar is a Cross American product as you well know. Nick is a distributor of that product. He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it. I do not doubt that he provides you with a great service and it clearly is your choice what you buy from where.
--Nigel W
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Gentlemen;
Although I have read the comments/threads above and no doubt believe that the opinions offered have only been expressed in what a few may have heard, or on assumptions. Therefore, allow me to state that my comment is only directed in all due respect to all of you fine Professionals in truth.
The truth is that the JAGUAR 6.6 Industrial System was and continues to be, a combined effort on the part of the very honorable Nick White at SOLUTIONS, and Mr. John Bolton, a very innovative and fine engineer. Mr. White has contributed extreme and intense knowledge not only in the development, but also in the field testings, measurements, and continued adjustments and refinements. In fact, we converse via the Telephone at least once a week and via e-mail communications at least 2-3 times a week!
To suggest that he is not attached by the umbilical cord to this machine would be totally misleading and wrong in every respect. In fact, he really is unique far beyond what I have ever experienced in this Industry, and desparately cares about its success and the success of his valued customers. Therefore, I applaud Shawn Ashmore for his comment focus on this.
In conclusion, to suggest that just because the mold was made in America by American hands (my own included) does not mean that it "is not a UK machine in its build, design, function, and performance, and request". I'll wager to say that most UK business individuals do purchase components, products, and or services from other foreign countries thru importation. Nothing wrong with that.
The very best to all above and to your success Gentlemen;
Ed Valentine
Cross-American Corp.
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"Why would you need a course on PAT testing?
It's basically common sense."
John when ever you a carrying out a professional service for someone you have to be able to prove you are capable of carrying out the said task.
We do PAT testing and Asbestos sampling and have to pass an exam every year and have the machine calibrated. If I didn't I would'nt be passed any work. You also have to have any of these services mentioned on your liability insurance.
Its called covering your arse.
Everythings fine until something serious happens and the poop hits the fan. Thats when your training certificate is worth its weight in gold.
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Ed - well said, and thanks for clearing that up. It's a bit of a sewing circle on the internet... all it takes is for some little scamp to start a rumour and everyone's gossiping like old women!
John (Kelly) maybe you should put your quote in [quotes] because you shocked me a bit there, until i realised you quoted someone else!!
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The Jaguar is a Cross American product as you well know. Nick is a distributor of that product. He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it. I do not doubt that he provides you with a great service and it clearly is your choice what you buy from where.
--Nigel W
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Gentlemen;
Although I have read the comments/threads above and no doubt believe that the opinions offered have only been expressed in what a few may have heard, or on assumptions. Therefore, allow me to state that my comment is only directed in all due respect to all of you fine Professionals in truth.
The truth is that the JAGUAR 6.6 Industrial System was and continues to be, a combined effort on the part of the very honorable Nick White at SOLUTIONS, and Mr. John Bolton, a very innovative and fine engineer. Mr. White has contributed extreme and intense knowledge not only in the development, but also in the field testings, measurements, and continued adjustments and refinements. In fact, we converse via the Telephone at least once a week and via e-mail communications at least 2-3 times a week!
To suggest that he is not attached by the umbilical cord to this machine would be totally misleading and wrong in every respect. In fact, he really is unique far beyond what I have ever experienced in this Industry, and desparately cares about its success and the success of his valued customers. Therefore, I applaud Shawn Ashmore for his comment focus on this.
In conclusion, to suggest that just because the mold was made in America by American hands (my own included) does not mean that it "is not a UK machine in its build, design, function, and performance, and request". I'll wager to say that most UK business individuals do purchase components, products, and or services from other foreign countries thru importation. Nothing wrong with that.
The very best to all above and to your success Gentlemen;
Ed Valentine
Cross-American Corp.
Hi Ed,
You haven't contradicted a single thing I said. You have merely put a different "spin" on it.
Nigel
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Ed - well said, and thanks for clearing that up. It's a bit of a sewing circle on the internet... all it takes is for some little scamp to start a rumour and everyone's gossiping like old women!
Jim,
What on earth are you going on about? ::)
Nigel
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Ed,
I see I see, they field tested it for you!? ;D
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Nigel;
Thank you for your reply, although honestly, I was a little surprise. Therefore allow me to try once again. No, IMHO, I did not put another spin on it because my information was a total opposite of what you had said. Therefore, I apologize if I was not clear even though I thought I was.
Part of your statement was:
"He did not design it, build it, finance it and does not own it"
Your assumptions are incorrect as I had stated in my explaination above.
The honorable Mr. White and Mr. Bolton have clearly requested a certain internal design, newer external refinements/upgrades for performance reasons, and totally finances it (tell Nick he has paid for a whole pallet of vac motors and another of pumps.!!!) If you would like to visit our Factory web page you will note about 20 machines in a group. The 10 at the bottom are theirs and theirs only and they own all of them.
They pay for our labor to build, then they will add some components at their end to complete the system on delivery, specifically things we do not do here. And, both of them constantly offer engineering input that is truely astonishing sometimes. (In fact, Nick just contacted me about another neat and interesting upgrade!) Believe me, they are in complete control and we do what they request, period.
Anyways, my intentions here were not to begin a argument/disagreement, but to tell the truth and debunk these unfounded assumptions/misrepresentations previously stated by a few.
Once again Gentlemen, and to my friend, Nigel, the very very best to all of you and to your health;
Ed Valentine
Cross-American Corp.
Other than the "basic outside" (with some exceptions as stated) this is THEIR system and is only sold and marketed through SOLUTIONS UK!
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Thing that gets me is why does cross american persevere with that Machine casing which not only has changed little from the oldest recoil i can see , but has been unpopular with many customers and critics alike ...
I dont need to list the faults because Mr Valentines ears must be ringing with then from his Native US forums for as many years as i can search .
Just to list one ... the waste doesn't empty fully from the gate , i cant think of any other machine including ancient fiberglass designs that would offer a machine to a customer with a flaw like this ...
The customers dont like it ... couple of months ago on TMF a chap who specializes in high rises told you that his Jag smells after a couple of apartments and he cant find and easy way to rid the grit /gunge from the bottom of the tank ... but he was told pretty much its a ' filter ' and a feature of the ' design ' ....
I just dont get how an unpopular feature like this would be supported by a team of fine engineers .... Mr Bolton , nick , mr Valentine , mr sullins , and whoever else has an input in the design ... colin :)
There are other issues related to the Casing also mentioned elsewhere so many times ... so why not change the dam thing ? i think its holding you all back , its fine ' under the hood ' not optimized for the Uk perhaps but its well assembled under there .
I appreciate it could be all down to money and admire anyone who can get any product to market , just saying i think a newer body would prove popular and silence the critics .
Also many Brit customer wanted heat ... should not be a big issue to tailor features like that when requested ... :)
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Good evening Ed,
Out of curiosity, what components are added over here?
i know when i bought my scorpion Nick had to do something with the pump!
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maybe the plug ;D
i will get my coat
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maybe the plug ;D
i will get my coat
;D ;D ;D
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ed! are you saying that the UK jag is better than your american one?"
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ed
in your post you refer to them as " SOLUTIONS UK ", surely you mean "SOLUTIONS CORWALL" as it is my understanding the first named does not exist anymore. or maybe i am wrong ?
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ed
in your post you refer to them as " SOLUTIONS UK ", surely you mean "SOLUTIONS CORWALL" as it is my understanding the first named does not exist anymore. or maybe i am wrong ?
It's actually Solution (Cornwall)... We all know American's can't spell.... ;D
"CORWALL" Creighton....? You must be a Yank too.... ;D
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I understand that the jag was designed by ed and solutions obviously the corner stone was the scorpion but with 2 completely different motors and modifications the jag was born.
Shaun
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Around 2004 I bought my first Cross- American machine, the Recoil. A few years later I bought a new Scorpion with the the upgrades which John and Nick had a major input. Last year I bought one of the first Jaguars. I have all three machines, all working perfectly and find any of them more than adequate for the work I do which is mainly domestic with some light commercial work. I use them in rotation and depending on the job in hand although the Recoil is now not used very often but great to have as a spare backup.
I cannot say a bad word about Ed, John or Nick and have found all three most helpful and great people to know.
Equally , I am sure the people who make the Airflex would fall into the same category but unfortunately I do not know them but judging by thr comments of other posters they are a good company too.
The original poster just asked for comparisons on the two machines but some people seem to take delight from putting the knife into Cross American an Solution for some reason. A hidden agenda no doubt. One gets really sick of reading those negative and nasty postings all the time. So sick that I am considering taking the same route that Joe Hatton took a while back.
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Around 2004 I bought my first Cross- American machine, the Recoil. A few years later I bought a new Scorpion with the the upgrades which John and Nick had a major input. Last year I bought one of the first Jaguars. I have all three machines, all working perfectly and find any of them more than adequate for the work I do which is mainly domestic with some light commercial work. I use them in rotation and depending on the job in hand although the Recoil is now not used very often but great to have as a spare backup.
I cannot say a bad word about Ed, John or Nick and have found all three most helpful and great people to know.
Equally , I am sure the people who make the Airflex would fall into the same category but unfortunately I do not know them but judging by thr comments of other posters they are a good company too.
The original poster just asked for comparisons on the two machines but some people seem to take delight from putting the knife into Cross American an Solution for some reason. A hidden agenda no doubt. One gets really sick of reading those negative and nasty postings all the time. So sick that I am considering taking the same route that Joe Hatton took a while back.
You're not the only one......
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Around 2004 I bought my first Cross- American machine, the Recoil. A few years later I bought a new Scorpion with the the upgrades which John and Nick had a major input. Last year I bought one of the first Jaguars. I have all three machines, all working perfectly and find any of them more than adequate for the work I do which is mainly domestic with some light commercial work. I use them in rotation and depending on the job in hand although the Recoil is now not used very often but great to have as a spare backup.
I cannot say a bad word about Ed, John or Nick and have found all three most helpful and great people to know.
Equally , I am sure the people who make the Airflex would fall into the same category but unfortunately I do not know them but judging by thr comments of other posters they are a good company too.
The original poster just asked for comparisons on the two machines but some people seem to take delight from putting the knife into Cross American an Solution for some reason. A hidden agenda no doubt. One gets really sick of reading those negative and nasty postings all the time. So sick that I am considering taking the same route that Joe Hatton took a while back.
Finton i think you are completely wrong, if you read all the most were solutions are mentioned i would say the majority are positive, look back and see where shockwave, SMP and there acid rinse are mentioned all are positive..... the only non positive comments seems to around the Jag or scorpion and looking at the posters who had said negative things in this thread they are mostly decent honest members not people usually known to' put in the knife'
perhaps they have a point
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Got to laugh here you get guys on here who actually work for Solutions Cornwall who constantley put the boot into Cleansmart and the Airflex and then go in a huff when somebody says something negative about the Jaguar as for Colin Day is it not about time this guy paid something towards advertising on here.
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Hidden agenda mmmmm conspiracy theory ;D ;D
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For the record it wouldnt buy either the Airflex or the Jag if i were to buy another porty it would be the new Ashby`s one looks the dogs danglies.
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Now i like the Airflex (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1333027346_harry 2.jpg) and i also like the Jag (http://[img]http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1333027402_harry.jpg)[/img] but which one is best.....only one way to find out....
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Hi Guys
Can we please stop the bitching, I have always found the Cc's on here pretty intelligent and they can see through attempts to manipulte the forum and obviously the mods keep a close eye on things.
Cheers
Doug
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No problem, Doug.....
Delete my post if you feel it's appropriate. But I can't sit back and let people think they can take the proverbial whenever they see fit.
From now on I will NOT respond to Darren O's antagonising remarks, providing his often offensive posts to myself are removed...
Thank you, Colin....
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to be fair, i have seen colin say recently, that he can't really comment on the airflex as he's never used one!!!!!
and anybody that knows me will tell you i'm certainly not a fan of solutions!!!
;D ;D
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and anybody that knows me will tell you i'm certainly not a fan of solutions!!!
would that be because in the part of the country that they come from...
They take a perfectly good ironing board and float in the sea with it ??
;D ;D
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Nothing worse than seeing two suppliers being pitted against each other, it's happening here, the hard floor section, and I've even seen it happening with software recently. As Shaun said in another thread, when you're arguing on a public forum you're only fighting for 3rd place - the winner will be the ones letting the results speak for themselves (And yes I know there is no official rep from either of the machine mfrs commenting on here, but the undertones are definately there).
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hi
Re the airflex (looks impressive) should you choose to van mount etc.. and feed from a van mounted tank i take it you need the the magma heater for hot water?? ( i dont want to start the hot / cold water debate.. i use hot water always from custys tap)... or if not i take you too and fro filling the machine in the van from the custys hot water tap..?... or have i missed how the whole van set up works ... ( this isnt negative by the way... merely curiosity as i'm a technphobe..and a bit exploration on options on my behalf)..
Thanks
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IMO opinion you lose too much power van mounting it I'd go for maximum power and have it by the door and have better vacuum with less hosing and no extension leads.
Shaun
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Mike, what annoyed me was a post which appeared on this thread Saturday morning last, it was clearly a below the belt attack on someone who has done so much for this industry, totally uncalled for and having no bearing on any machine. I did not have time to vent my anger as I hurrying off to work but resolved to reply on my return on Saturday night. However in the meantime some modreator rightly decided to delete the post but it would still have been seen by many people.
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if i were to buy another porty it would be the new Ashby`s one looks the dogs danglies.
I like this ' dell PC ' style custom build facility ....
They really embrace the waterlift over CFM school of thought , perhaps putting some potential customers off , airflow seems to be selling most extractors now , im sure lift has its advantages , perhaps on shorter runs , that most of us use on most jobs really .
Still you could buy and modify to parallel if desired or add some of the newer vacs .
Wonder how many they sell , none by the looks of it from this forum ... but perhaps most CC's aren't even on the forums ... hmm
http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/enforcer-machine-only-custom-built-to-your-specification-p-1064.html?number_of_uploads=0
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Mike, what annoyed me was a post which appeared on this thread Saturday morning last, it was clearly a below the belt attack on someone who has done so much for this industry, totally uncalled for and having no bearing on any machine. I did not have time to vent my anger as I hurrying off to work but resolved to reply on my return on Saturday night. However in the meantime some modreator rightly decided to delete the post but it would still have been seen by many people.
Fintan IT WAS ME ;D
but lets not revisit it as i am now in a legally advised position to be able to repeat it in a way that will leave no one in doubt as to who we are talking about but more importantly i know know how to say it in a different way without leaving myself open to legal threats.
so bite your lip coz he wo'nt thank you for it. :)
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I just specced up an enforcer to a reasonable level... certainly didn't select the most expensive add-ons but the final price came to..... £4,000!!!! Sod off!! Double your investment and you've got a truckmount, which is more than double the performance of that machine!!
I can't believe they offer 2x2 stage vacs as a standard option and get this... 70 psi pump!! WTF??!! They really are stuck in the stone age!!
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You ordered everything ;D
Mine would be basic motor + 600psi+built in 3000w steammate = 2900
Then custom fit motors of choice ... two 6.6/8.4 or two electro three or two stage
Hard to beat the Alltec elite 500 for price though ..
12gallon body + pumptec+ 3000w internal + two three stage for 2200
then add motors of choice
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At the moment i woudnt swap my Powerflight 1350 for any of them
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At the moment i woudnt swap my Powerflight 1350 for any of them
agree with darren, i wouldn't swap my boxxer 421 for any of them ;D
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At the moment i woudnt swap my Powerflight 1350 for any of them
agree with darren, i wouldn't swap my boxxer 421 for any of them ;D
If I were into extraction machines , I would not buy a new plastic tub with a few electric motors in it , then again nor would I buy a new lawn mower motor with a HX and blower attached .
Proper machine to me is a water cooled diesel.
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Darren have you tried your Powrflite with 100 ft of hose.
Contrary to what everyone believes, ie series motors can't
use long runs etc, mine works fantastically at 100 ft, though
i do admit to one drying stroke over 50 ft.
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Creighton, neither you or anyone else will ever stop me from speaking my mind on any subject which I should wish to comment on. >:( >:(
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Around 2004 I bought my first Cross- American machine, the Recoil. A few years later I bought a new Scorpion with the the upgrades which John and Nick had a major input. Last year I bought one of the first Jaguars. I have all three machines, all working perfectly and find any of them more than adequate for the work I do which is mainly domestic with some light commercial work. I use them in rotation and depending on the job in hand although the Recoil is now not used very often but great to have as a spare backup.
I cannot say a bad word about Ed, John or Nick and have found all three most helpful and great people to know.
Equally , I am sure the people who make the Airflex would fall into the same category but unfortunately I do not know them but judging by thr comments of other posters they are a good company too.
The original poster just asked for comparisons on the two machines but some people seem to take delight from putting the knife into Cross American an Solution for some reason. A hidden agenda no doubt. One gets really sick of reading those negative and nasty postings all the time. So sick that I am considering taking the same route that Joe Hatton took a while back.
Your here a lot longer than me , i dont know anything of the history or issues with solution , i'v been critical of the CA machine at times , but pros and cons to all these machines , everyone should stick up for whatever they find works well for them like you say , great you have three generations of CA machines maintained btw
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Creighton, neither you or anyone else will ever stop me from speaking my mind on any subject which I should wish to comment on. >:( >:(
fintan it was not my intention to do so but as you seem to have an admirable loyalty to the business in question and expressed an anger for what was said i felt the need to
a) confess to being the author of the post (in case you had not noted my name) whilst at the same time let you know i was prepared to further justify what i had said with hard facts( should you pursue the issue ) that would probably be detrimental to the business you are attempting to defend.
i apologise to you you for any offence you may have taken personally but stand by any thing else i have said on this subject.
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John
What I do not like about Ashbys is the way they hide price as Jim says by the time you add everything up they are expensive compared with other suppliers
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All car manufacturers do the add on bit BMW are one of the worst for it IMO it's package selling at its best.
I do agree with you Ian when I bought my porti from nick it was a price to buy and that's it I believe Matt does the same but in all fairness the prices are on ashbys and not hidden.
Shaun
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Apology accepted Creighton. Anyone can post something and in hindsight wish they never had. I am sure it will not deter the gentleman in question in any way.
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Ian Gourlay said,
What I do not like about Ashbys is the way they hide price as Jim says by the time you add everything up they are expensive compared with other suppliers
I find that independant suppliers can be despicable in thier charges. Ashbys waste tank float switch for example £28....or from an internet or ebay supplier £8.50 ? However thier pump repair kits seem to be the cheapest around.
Cleansmart transperant fill tank lid for Airflex £25? for a part that probably costs no more than a few quid to make.
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Ian Gourlay said,
What I do not like about Ashbys is the way they hide price as Jim says by the time you add everything up they are expensive compared with other suppliers
I find that independant suppliers can be despicable in thier charges. Ashbys waste tank float switch for example £28....or from an internet or ebay supplier £8.50 ? However thier pump repair kits seem to be the cheapest around.
Cleansmart transperant fill tank lid for Airflex £25? for a part that probably costs no more than a few quid to make.
You'd be suprised! Infact i'm sure the suppliar makes very little if anything at all on these type of parts.
Manufacturing items from sctrach is an expensive task.
I broke my Airflex lid too ;D