Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark joyce on March 21, 2012, 03:32:53 pm
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following on from thread chemicals you dont hear about much now?? what chemicals are you using lately
I mainly use power burst or nutra soft
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Errrrrm, I can't say....... ;D
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I use M power, HD microsplitter and Fusion Clean
Colin uses SPM
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Power Burst 90% of the time.
Paul
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I'll take the 5th amendment, same as Colin ;D
Oh go on then:
M-Power
Fusion 8
Solutions HD
S.M.P
and misc. Solutions spotters ;D
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Prespray: powerburst + citra boost if required
Rinse:: Hot water with ff
Use double clean in the tank on commercial
plus always have solvex (best thing i have ever come across), and stain pro and other problem solvers but try to keep it to a minimum, dont like to over complicate things.
Tony
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split x , powerburst, orange x, citrus concentrate and clearwater rinse. are my main choice of weapons.
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M power..Citrus concentrate.....activator......solvex......
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Colin uses SPM
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But only on weekends :D
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;D ;D
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Pureclean, SPM, then Powerburst when things get bad
An array of spotters and problem solvers
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Powerburst with added cap of Citraboost, Upac renovate, And on trashed synthetics Champion.
Only use Nemesis, Pureclean as spotters these days.
Too much agitation, dwell time required and still not always achieve the desired result and after reach for the PB etc,
Mark
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Powerburst 99% of the time
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Mark, have you tried SPM?
I know what you mean about the other products you mention, having to really make the pie work to get a good result. Not quite Powerburst standard but close and has other advantages.
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for what it's worth : double clean, crystal green, XSA, usual spotters if required, not come acoss a problem yet tht prochem chems can't solve, exception being xsa, its awesome !
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What's XSA?
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Hi Ash, mail me on apt54321@hotmail.com, i'll send you my supplier details, cheers
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;D
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Our core products on the vans are
DFC105/210
Liquid High Heat
Enzall
Powerburst
plus assorted products for particular problem areas on sites we attend.
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heres my effort
dfc 210 / 105
powerbust
Formula 90
Energiser
and other bits n bobs for problems
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Powerburst most of the time now, SPM and sometimes use M Power which i think is good on the vomit and bodily fluids usually rinse with final phase acid rinse.
Spotters i seem to use the sames ones now Stain pro, citrus gel, Solvex solve most problems, sometimes a microsplitter.
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Powerburst for 90% of prespraying
sometimes citra boost additive for prespray on real mingers
Fibre and Fabric rinse for extracting/ rinsing
Solval spotter or Citra Boost for oil spots
Solvex on paint
Odour Fresh for carpet/upholstery deodorser and spraying in waste tank
oxibrite/fibre buff or Sodium mets for stains on wool fibres - tea coffee stains water damage/marks
(Oxibrite worked a treat yesterday on a rotten pear stain - customer had attempeted DIY so was n't very optimistic, but good 10 min dwell time then rinsed and gone. I was amazed myself... the customer was exstatic)
Ultrapak for draught marks/soot
Cleansan for sanitising followed by acidic rinse
Fabric Restorer for prespraying upholstery
just to mention afew of the main ones but thats me.
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We are working on ship in Dunkirk at the moment with some pretty challenging soil conditions and this has provided the opportunity to test out Shockwave against PB and there appears to be no difference in the results except Shockwave is an awful lot cheaper.
Simon
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Our core products on the vans are
DFC105/210
Liquid High Heat
Enzall
Powerburst
plus assorted products for particular problem areas on sites we attend.
What he said although I still love Formula 90 with Energiser when I think something needs rescued.
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Who sells shockwave.
MArk
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Look in the Cornwall direction for that one Mark ;)
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Hydramaster???
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Powerburst
hd x microsplitter
wool x
rince x
spm
It seems powerburst has got a big share of the market
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Powerburst
Hydramaster Blitz
Hydramaster soil break
I've got some SPM, when i first used it, i was getting some good results, but so many occasions i had to grab the powerburst to re do it and got a better result!!! So now i just grab the powerburst first!!! dont want to keep doing carpets twice!!!!
Time is Money as they say!!! ;D
Also got ultrapac renovate and an assortment of chemspec stuff plus allsorts of crap for spotting!!!!
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spm
shockwave
I have used powerburst , blitz Etc on my own carpets and they re soil 4 x as quick as spm and shockwave if its not good enough for me why should it be for my customers , and yes i did acid rinse
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spm
shockwave
I have used powerburst , blitz Etc on my own carpets and they re soil 4 x as quick as spm and shockwave if its not good enough for me why should it be for my customers , and yes i did acid rinse
I thought you used Spingo..... ;D
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spm
shockwave
I have used powerburst , blitz Etc on my own carpets and they re soil 4 x as quick as spm and shockwave if its not good enough for me why should it be for my customers , and yes i did acid rinse
That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation to say a carpet resoils 4 times more quickly than another product as there are so many other factors that could explain it and most more obvious that the prespray used.
Simon
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We are working on ship in Dunkirk at the moment with some pretty challenging soil conditions and this has provided the opportunity to test out Shockwave against PB and there appears to be no difference in the results except Shockwave is an awful lot cheaper.
Simon
What is the dilution rate for injection sprayers. Powerburst is 15 scoops per 5ltr of concentrate?
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spm
shockwave
I have used powerburst , blitz Etc on my own carpets and they re soil 4 x as quick as spm and shockwave if its not good enough for me why should it be for my customers , and yes i did acid rinse
I always test on my own carpets, can't say i've noticed any difference in the resoiling values, My regular customers i go to, most are clean or cleanish when i get there( I like customers like that ;D ) starting to get some customers coming back where i used spm, same again clean or cleanish, just the odd stain here and there!!! Agree with Simon, bit of a sweeping statement!!!!
Think everyone gets used to the chemicals they use!!! I'm awful for keep buying different ones to try, but always seem to go back to what i find works for me! If they don't work for you, Thats fine, be a boring life if we we're all the same!!! ;D But for me, i've never really had an issue, especially the one you've said you've found!!!!
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Powerburst
Hydramaster Blitz
Hydramaster soil break
I've got some SPM, when i first used it, i was getting some good results, but so many occasions i had to grab the powerburst to re do it and got a better result!!! So now i just grab the powerburst first!!! dont want to keep doing carpets twice!!!!
Time is Money as they say!!! ;D
Also got ultrapac renovate and an assortment of chemspec stuff plus allsorts of crap for spotting!!!!
Spot on, why use something that "may" do the job you know Powerburst is going to achieve the result you want
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seems most of you are using powerburst then. some using it most if not all of the time . for the people that use it most of the time could you give me an example when you dont use it
cheers
dan
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What is the dilution rate for injection sprayers. Powerburst is 15 scoops per 5ltr of concentrate?
The same
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Hi All
I'm in the process of starting and have used Ashbys own chemicals after doing my course with them.
TBH I have not been very satisfied with the results on some dirty carpets I have been testing on. I did telephone Ashbys to ask about the recommended coverage rate for their pre-spotter and was told the dilution is printed on the container, after explaining it was not the dilution I needed to know, I was told to used 'a bit more if the carpets are bad' ::) - How long is a piece of string?
I did read on one site that there is very little difference between carpet cleaning chemicals from most leading companies however, I would sooner spend money with a company who can totally back up their products.
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Michael, Ashby's are first and foremost a manufacturer of cleaning machines. I would hazard a guess that they just buy in chemicals made by a much larger chemical manufacturer, and re-label them (after adding a nice margin). Therefore they are not really offering anything advanced or any different from other basic chemicals
Prochem have obviously specialised in chemicals for donkeys years. The Prochem system is fairly accessible for a beginner, albeit in my opinion they have too many products that all do pretty much the same thing.
Chemspec are a major force too, their products are available from quite a few places like restormate for example (who also stock much of the prochem range)
There are other alternatives, such as the range available from solution in cornwall who develop the majority of their stuff just for themselves so it is fairly unique. Well worth checking out.
Cleansmart also have a product range but I know nothing of them really (apart from they're bloody expensive) and hear very little about them in terms of reviews. Not sure if they are unique to cleansmart or just bought-in and re-labelled.
Have a shop around :)
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I had a clear out in the garage last weekend and the oldest thing i found was Ashby's bog standard prespray. Had a go with it on an EOT this week and it was still pretty good. In particular I'd forgotten it was one of the nicest smelling products to date.
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Thanks Jim, I'll check out solutions. Incidentally, sorry if off topic but, in your experience what sort of area would you cover per litre of pre-spotter?
Thanks :)
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No probs.
Pre-spray (sorry to be pedantic!) coverage varies according to the carpet construction, pile fibre, pile depth (remember it's a 3D object you're cleaning), product being used, technique being used..... soil conditions.... many things :)
A basic rule of thumb I work to is to apply enough to do the job but stop short of over-wetting. It's just something you get a feel for as you go along.
As an example, if I was using a portable system to clean an average sized through lounge (230ft²) which was a polypropylene pile, and quite grubby, I'd probably put down a good 4-5 litres. However the same sized carpet which was an 80/20 in good condition would probably only need 2-3 litres.
It's no good just tickling it, whatever carpet you're cleaning.. you have to be committed because fibres need wetting out to make your product work. But you need to know your limits, and have a feel for what is "enough" and what's "too much". The back of your hand is the most sensitive precision instrument you possess :)
I'd suggest when you get the opportunity, get yourself as many different carpet samples of different types as you can and wet them up progressively from one side to the other, so one side is lightly damp and the other is sodden. Brush them over and then after 5 minutes look at the back to see if it's wetted through. On some carpets you'll be amazed how little water in the pile is needed to wet the back.
But don't be under any illusion that no carpet cleaners get carpet wet to the backing... I'd even go out on a limb and suggest that after extraction a lot of carpets would be at least a bit damp on the back. But within acceptable limits, this moisture will not cause harm and will wick back up and evaporate in reasonable time.
Sorry for the ramble :-\
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"Sorry for the ramble ".....Jim we don't expect anything less... ;D ;D
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That's not all. jim is actually gay. So let's not judge him. :-*
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I'd say most CC brands are using similar ingredients and perhaps manufactures
Doubt if any UK supplier is handling any form of manufacture ?
I doubt if most would notice any difference in performance if blind tested ..
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Me and Billy have blind tested Jim loads of times and he does know the difference ;)
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Me and Billy have blind tested Jim loads of times and he does know the difference ;)
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Ok ? could be the smell ..
Blind tested and nose pegged then :)
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Yep we did that too John and he could still tell the diff ;D
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Because Billy has a smaller blower of course ;D
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Because Billy has a smaller blower of course ;D
Yeah, but i know how to use mine!!!!!!! :P
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No you dont :D
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Its ok Jim, you wouldn't of remembered, Paul fed you Rohypnol!!!!
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Neither would yho ;)
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spm
shockwave
I have used powerburst , blitz Etc on my own carpets and they re soil 4 x as quick as spm and shockwave if its not good enough for me why should it be for my customers , and yes i did acid rinse
That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation to say a carpet resoils 4 times more quickly than another product as there are so many other factors that could explain it and most more obvious that the prespray used.
Simon
Simon I have told you my findings at home with two kids and all there mates in and out with power bust they are dirty again in 6 weeks even with regular vacing with spam its near 24 weeks before they need doing . Not a sweeping statement just what I have found .powerburst is good and gives amazing results but doesn't last but who cares that ship will have sailed
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So you're saying pb is causing the resoiling and not the constant traffic - doesn't make sense to blame resoiling on a single factor when there are so many others that are far more likely to be the cause.
Ships do sail away and then come back 2 weeks later.
Simon
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Not being funny, but, I thought you got resoiling from detergent based presprays because it has not been completely extracted.
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Not being funny, but, I thought you got resoiling from detergent based presprays because it has not been completely extracted.
And this is where it starts to get complicated, because modern day detergent based presprays are designed to break down to a neutral condition after a given amount of time.... well at least that's what they tell us.
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I thought you were more worldly wise than to believe them Neil ;D ;D ;D ;D
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After the millions of tubs of PB Prochem must have sold over the years, I'm pretty sure they would have spotted they have a resoiling problem by now. 8)
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No probs.
Pre-spray (sorry to be pedantic!) coverage varies according to the carpet construction, pile fibre, pile depth (remember it's a 3D object you're cleaning), product being used, technique being used..... soil conditions.... many things :)
A basic rule of thumb I work to is to apply enough to do the job but stop short of over-wetting. It's just something you get a feel for as you go along.
As an example, if I was using a portable system to clean an average sized through lounge (230ft²) which was a polypropylene pile, and quite grubby, I'd probably put down a good 4-5 litres. However the same sized carpet which was an 80/20 in good condition would probably only need 2-3 litres.
It's no good just tickling it, whatever carpet you're cleaning.. you have to be committed because fibres need wetting out to make your product work. But you need to know your limits, and have a feel for what is "enough" and what's "too much". The back of your hand is the most sensitive precision instrument you possess :)
I'd suggest when you get the opportunity, get yourself as many different carpet samples of different types as you can and wet them up progressively from one side to the other, so one side is lightly damp and the other is sodden. Brush them over and then after 5 minutes look at the back to see if it's wetted through. On some carpets you'll be amazed how little water in the pile is needed to wet the back.
But don't be under any illusion that no carpet cleaners get carpet wet to the backing... I'd even go out on a limb and suggest that after extraction a lot of carpets would be at least a bit damp on the back. But within acceptable limits, this moisture will not cause harm and will wick back up and evaporate in reasonable time.
Sorry for the ramble :-\
Thank you Jim for the explanation, I do think I was using far too little pre-spotter. It's great to know such great support can be found on this forum, it's very much appreciated :)
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After the millions of tubs of PB Prochem must have sold over the years, I'm pretty sure they would have spotted they have a reosiling problem by now. 8)
simon :P