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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on February 20, 2012, 11:23:36 pm
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Could my girlfriend open a domestic cleaning business and run it separately to my business??
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yes, keep trying get my wife to do it, but she will not, she prefers being employed, so I offered to employ her ??? still said no
so she works for £6 an hour doing domestic cleaning ???
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Without knowing your girlfriend it would be impossible to say ;D
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If it were done to avoid VAT you would struggle. If you live /trade from the same address as her then no. If you were cleaning and she was running say a garage or childminding or something not similar then you would be ok.
You could even be a partner in her business. Think you would struggle to get the vat man to swallow it.
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As long as its a complete stand alone business then yes but you cant even share a stapler. They are really strict about this kind of stuff cos people do it to avoid vat mainly...
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If you trade from the unit and she trades from home then it should be fine but to be honest the best person to ask is your accountant...
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If it were done to avoid VAT you would struggle. If you live /trade from the same address as her then no. If you were cleaning and she was running say a garage or childminding or something not similar then you would be ok.
You could even be a partner in her business. Think you would struggle to get the vat man to swallow it.
it is two completely separate businesses, she raises her invoices, he raises his, different bank accounts, different trading names, and yes why couldn't he rent a space in his unit to her as long as he charged her rental, but there is no need for that it could be run from home
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It was hypothetical question just wondering I was thinking of putting it in her name but I run it for her
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Richy
Does your mind never stop ???? :D
One minute you are talking about getting rid of everyone and consolodating on what you have, now you are talking about expanding again???
Does your girlfriend want to set up a domestic cleaning business, or is it a case of you wanting her to set up a domestic cleaning business?
If you are wanting separation between the two businesses in the eyes of the taxman, then it has to be that, separate accounts, insurance, vehicles, business names, etc. If you do someones windows and domestic cleaning they have to pay separately, any crossover and the taxman will have you.
We run 8 cleaners doing domestic and commercial work and to be honest the domestic side is a nightmare and not really worth the hassle. You are competing again the "cash in hand" brigade, even more so than window cleaning as anyone can do domestic cleaning and they do if for £5-6 an hour. :-\
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ian thats richy all over ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Richy will go very far
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Could my girlfriend open a domestic cleaning business and run it separately to my business??
If this is the girl friend that you broke up with last week i would say know because the next time you brake up she will take her business with her :o :o
The only time i would have a partner do anything with my business is when im married to her as they can take half of the business anyway then so it wouldn't matter ;)
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I thought they'd split up the last time he mentioned her.
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Richy
Why don't you spend your time on getting you business to work, forget all of these wild dreams to avoid tax and be a wheeler and dealer, you are not a Robert Maxwell, you will get caught and you will go to prison and lose the lot.
Remember its not hard for the tax man to do checks on you, a simple internet search, and this topic will be flagged, you might as well go the full hog and sign your comfession.
If you want to avoid vat, then do the following, only get commercial customers who are vat registred, stay below the vat threshold or go down the franshise route, but at some stage you will reach the limit and have to pay it.
Or the simple way, add 20% to your prices.
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a simple internet search, and this topic will be flagged,
No it wont, google doesnt access this forum.
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you think that the taxman doesn't know about this site 8)
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i reckon old richy should forget window cleaning
and become a standup comedian he always has me in stitches
when i read his posts ;D
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a simple internet search, and this topic will be flagged,
No it wont, google doesnt access this forum.
I have in the past, done searches on the web and links to this and other forums are shown, does this not happen anymore?
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a simple internet search, and this topic will be flagged,
No it wont, google doesnt access this forum.
I have in the past, done searches on the web and links to this and other forums are shown, does this not happen anymore?
These are the results for your user name on here with 'Cleanitup Sr. Member' included in the search phrase
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=pure+hydro+cleaners+cleanitup+sr.+member&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=3LdDT5GAJefD0QWH-IGPDw
Illustrating that Google doesn't frequent this site, but it does go to Matts forum, but we all knew that didn't we as it shows GoogleBot in the members online on his forum quite frequently.
you think that the taxman doesn't know about this site 8)
No, I expect he does know about it. But it's pointless him coming on here and seeing someone posting who calls themself 'Shiny Windows' who claims to have earn't £300 quid on a saturday morning, that means nothing to him. However, you said an internet search would bring CIU info on here for him. It won't.
I'd also bet my bottom dollar the taxman knows about this site but takes about as much notice of it as listening to some drunken bum down the pub bragging about his earnings. It means nothing. Its not proof of anything, it wouldnt stand up in a court of law and half the guys on here quite possibly could be 16 year olds bragging about this that or the other. The taxman is hardly going to try to chase those guys is he, more solid evidence is what theyre likely to require. If you have nothing to hide there's nothing to concern yourself with anyway.
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But we talking about Richy :( and if its going to go wrong, well he is the man ;D
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You could have a point ;)
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Richy
Does your mind never stop ???? :D
One minute you are talking about getting rid of everyone and consolodating on what you have, now you are talking about expanding again???
Does your girlfriend want to set up a domestic cleaning business, or is it a case of you wanting her to set up a domestic cleaning business?
If you are wanting separation between the two businesses in the eyes of the taxman, then it has to be that, separate accounts, insurance, vehicles, business names, etc. If you do someones windows and domestic cleaning they have to pay separately, any crossover and the taxman will have you.
We run 8 cleaners doing domestic and commercial work and to be honest the domestic side is a nightmare and not really worth the hassle. You are competing again the "cash in hand" brigade, even more so than window cleaning as anyone can do domestic cleaning and they do if for £5-6 an hour. :-\
hiya ian yeah i know what your saying bout me changing my mind all time etc but not ive organised the window cleaning etc and have my employee cleaning that for me im trying to keep under the vat for the next year keep things simple iv dumped all the crap and just going to tweak and expand steadily should any nice jobs etc come in from leaflet dropping.its made me pretty redundant as my employee can clean 250-350 a day on his own no problem i need to get my teeth into something new and was looking at ways i can use my current clients
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Why dont you just go out and get new customers for the windows and then get off your arse instead of getting a van valeted (which could have been done after work) and go and do some work.....
And i allways thought that if you had to pay VAT it was because you were earning enough to pay it,so why try and avoid it?....just get out there on the glass and lead by example,i am sure your employee will become very disgruntled soon if you are seen as shying away from the workload,he will more than likely bugger off and start up himself,and to be honest with a boss like you who could blame him.
Sorry Ritchy i have stuck up for you in the past (not that you needed me to do that),but you change your mind more regularly than my mrs changes her drawers.....
Get out and work with your worker before you lose him
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iv just been taking peoples advise off here and ive tried to follow it thru iv cut staff down, iv dumped all bad payin work off iv now been left with approx £60,000 a year of pretty decent work.
just coz my employee has done that today i did state thats his personal best, he was tired from it but he was back by 3.30 it was his decision to smash it today the actual list i gave him was about 270 i think
hes a fit lad and enjoys his job
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iv just been taking peoples advise off here and ive tried to follow it thru iv cut staff down, iv dumped all bad payin work off iv now been left with approx £60,000 a year of pretty decent work.
just coz my employee has done that today i did state thats his personal best, he was tired from it but he was back by 3.30 it was his decision to smash it today the actual list i gave him was about 270 i think
hes a fit lad and enjoys his job
even so mate...do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain and a bit of ambition is going to go out and do £250 of work for you a day for wages on domestics?
Do you really believe that you can keep him happy by sending him out why you appear to be on a wild goose chase building up domestic cleaning customers?
As i say if he can do it then you should be able to show him that you can do it as well and be willing to do it as well...which means building your residential round up and forgetting about house cleaning...
just my honest opinion..... ;)
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yes, keep trying get my wife to do it, but she will not, she prefers being employed, so I offered to employ her ??? still said no
so she works for £6 an hour doing domestic cleaning ???
Damn you must be hard to live with! ;D
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Yes you can run seperate businesses from home. I've just been all through it with my accountant and we (My wife and I) are in the process of setting up a seperate business to market our franchising system. We'll be advertising it on here so watch for the banner. Both our businesses are Ltd Companies and do not compete with each other (i.e. not two window cleaning businesses doing the same sort of work). Our window cleaning business is not vat registered because all the seperate units are complete in themselves and none of them turn over more than the threshold, neither do we as the franchisor company. The new company may or may not be registered for vat, depends on how well it does ;)
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Yes you can run seperate businesses from home. I've just been all through it with my accountant and we (My wife and I) are in the process of setting up a seperate business to market our franchising system. We'll be advertising it on here so watch for the banner. Both our businesses are Ltd Companies and do not compete with each other (i.e. not two window cleaning businesses doing the same sort of work). Our window cleaning business is not vat registered because all the seperate units are complete in themselves and none of them turn over more than the threshold, neither do we as the franchisor company. The new company may or may not be registered for vat, depends on how well it does ;)
Hi Ian,
You are right, but then it is two completely separate entities. Just keep on eye on vat rulings though, as HMRC are starting to look very closely at people who have "different" businesses from one address. (We do, so our accountat has made us aware) ( I did trawl through HMRC vat details and found it!) It speaks about "the person" which can be a company, a partnership, a sole trader and "that person" may have to register all businesses they have for vat........ :(
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this could been seen as trying to avoid vat i asked my accountant the same question last year,
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Thanks Helen,
My accountant doesn't seem to be as much on the ball as yours! I'll mention it to him.
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even so mate...do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain and a bit of ambition is going to go out and do £250 of work for you a day for wages on domestics?
Do you really believe that you can keep him happy by sending him out why you appear to be on a wild goose chase building up domestic cleaning customers?
As i say if he can do it then you should be able to show him that you can do it as well and be willing to do it as well...which means building your residential round up and forgetting about house cleaning...
just my honest opinion..... Wink
why not? , this is what i do , i have 4 people that go out and do ecactly this while i sit on my backside in my office surfing the web ,doing a bit of spread betting and doing my daily admin chores , i pay them well and they are happy and reliable ;)
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Thanks Helen, My accountant doesn't seem to be as much on the ball as yours! I'll mention it to him.
Your Welcome!!!
When I have a hour or 2 I'll trawl through the site again and give you the link. ;D
As with all things considered by HMRC it may take some time to implement (hopefully they will decide against it), but at least we have been warned and can be prepared :)
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What happened to the shop richy was going to open?
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even so mate...do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain and a bit of ambition is going to go out and do £250 of work for you a day for wages on domestics?
Do you really believe that you can keep him happy by sending him out why you appear to be on a wild goose chase building up domestic cleaning customers?
As i say if he can do it then you should be able to show him that you can do it as well and be willing to do it as well...which means building your residential round up and forgetting about house cleaning...
just my honest opinion..... Wink
why not? , this is what i do , i have 4 people that go out and do ecactly this while i sit on my backside in my office surfing the web ,doing a bit of spread betting and doing my daily admin chores , i pay them well and they are happy and reliable ;)
Fair enough...but my perception of downsizing your workforce to enable you to run a more efficient business (which i believe is what ritchy is trying to achieve) would not be to dump the majority of the retained work onto one guy when you are sitting around.
I still believe (no matter how you run your business) that an employer has to lead from the top unless he wants to aggrevate his workforce,and by allowing your workers to see the owner of a small business doing anything else other than what they are doing imo will lead to a certain amount of discontentment.
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What happened to the shop richy was going to open?
Hey dave, hows things bud?
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depends on your relationship with your workers , i operate a boss / worker divide, i do what i want and they do what i tell them to do , works well for me ;D ;)
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depends on your relationship with your workers , i operate a boss / worker divide, i do what i want and they do what i tell them to do , works well for me ;D ;)
Good for company morale.... ;D....I have allways worked on the premise that if you ask an employee to do something then make sure you show willingness to do it yourself on occasion,until you reach a point of growth that dictates that you then delegate all manual work,but i would hardly say that sitting behind a desk surfing the web and spread betting means you are inundated with managerial work with 4 employees...... ;D
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thanks for the insight mate , maybe you should look into a career change to management consultancy ;D
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Hey dave, hows things bud?
Not bad thanks you?
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I'm good me mate. Got myself a van and a new 250 litre system, new trad gear and some different ladders.
I'll be back at it soon myself, looking forward to it and spring was in the air today. It got me excited.
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I business there is leading from the front( by example) and leading from the back( leading by planning and been smart).The one has more risk, which begs the question." What if " your small staff go out on there own and steals all your clients.You will need some planning.What if your staff leave or even take an holiday or go of sick. Its the "what if plan" that will make you life a misery if not in place. We could call it plan B. :'( :'( :'(
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aha another management consultant masqerading as a window cleaner ......
i think the point of all this is that you run your business how you want to run it , most on here are one man
bands who dont expand because they dont want to , be it through fear or losing work , fear of denting
their reputation , fear of the extra admin / VAT threshold / expenses / being let down by staff / losing
control of their customer base / staff stealing customers from them / falling behind etc etc the list goes on.
I run my business how i want to because i had a business plan and i followed it. My business is exactly how
i want it and it suits me and Richie you should do the same , CIU is full of
people with an opionion but you have gotta follow your own desires as you and only you are the master of
your own destiny , by
following every bit of advice from the w/c's who post on CIU is crazy cos everone want different things from
their business and maybe richie this is why your business is such a rollercoaster.
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iv ran my business to accomodate other people in the past and did try to expand rapidly but what happened last year things didnt go to plan, thats been and gone, as for me not working etc i will be going out cleaning etc but i have a little bit of work to build up thru the spring im going to leaflet drop and try and ask for referrals as canvassing has put me right off twice iv had two canvassing spells that have resulted in quite high numbers cancelling,
we have alot of gutter clear and cleans etc booked in thru march and april, andy knows i work hard when on the job so nop problems there.
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You will have to learn to go to bed earlier mate and get up at stupid o'clock like myself.
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The stress will turn you to drink
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aha another management consultant masqerading as a window cleaner ......
i think the point of all this is that you run your business how you want to run it , most on here are one man
bands who dont expand because they dont want to , be it through fear or losing work , fear of denting
their reputation , fear of the extra admin / VAT threshold / expenses / being let down by staff / losing
control of their customer base / staff stealing customers from them / falling behind etc etc the list goes on.
I run my business how i want to because i had a business plan and i followed it. My business is exactly how
i want it and it suits me and Richie you should do the same , CIU is full of
people with an opionion but you have gotta follow your own desires as you and only you are the master of
your own destiny , by
following every bit of advice from the w/c's who post on CIU is crazy cos everone want different things from their business and maybe richie this is why your business is such a rollercoaster.
D'you know, Rogue T - I may not warm to your style, but you have spoken a lot of sense in this thread.
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aha another management consultant masqerading as a window cleaner ......
i think the point of all this is that you run your business how you want to run it , most on here are one man
bands who dont expand because they dont want to , be it through fear or losing work , fear of denting
their reputation , fear of the extra admin / VAT threshold / expenses / being let down by staff / losing
control of their customer base / staff stealing customers from them / falling behind etc etc the list goes on.
I run my business how i want to because i had a business plan and i followed it. My business is exactly how
i want it and it suits me and Richie you should do the same , CIU is full of
people with an opionion but you have gotta follow your own desires as you and only you are the master of
your own destiny , by
following every bit of advice from the w/c's who post on CIU is crazy cos everone want different things from their business and maybe richie this is why your business is such a rollercoaster.
D'you know, Rogue T - I may not warm to your style, but you have spoken a lot of sense in this thread.
I`ll second that,i`m impressed by Mr.Rogue identifying what are easily overcome fears once isolated.Missed out fear of working too hard though,which in my case is not so much of a fear,rather a terrible sin.