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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H S and Son on February 03, 2012, 06:13:37 pm
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
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7 x £35 is £245 Matthew. ;D
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Welll spotted Dean ;D
Let's say he has to have a fAg break as well then :-*
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
If they are not being paid for wet days or holidays, then they are not employed, they are subbies, so it's not really staff pay is it ;)
So assuming you pay wet days and holidays, making this person a "properly" employed member of staff, they are good reliable cleaners etc etc, with us they would have been on a package of OTE £24k (at the time that we were employing :))
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Welll spotted Dean ;D
Let's say he has to have a f*g break as well then :-*
;D
who put 50% ::)
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
If they are not being paid for wet days or holidays, then they are not employed, they are subbies, so it's not really staff pay is it ;)
So assuming you pay wet days and holidays, making this person a "properly" employed member of staff, they are good reliable cleaners etc etc, with us they would have been on a package of OTE £24k (at the time that we were employing :))
Hi Helen,
I don't think that there are many employed window cleaners earning 24k a year, being paid for wet day and getting full holiday entitlement.
Employing is a hard game, hence the reason why you probably aren't doing it anymore.
Not a dig, just a hard fact.
Cheers,
Dean.
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
If they are not being paid for wet days or holidays, then they are not employed, they are subbies, so it's not really staff pay is it ;)
So assuming you pay wet days and holidays, making this person a "properly" employed member of staff, they are good reliable cleaners etc etc, with us they would have been on a package of OTE £24k (at the time that we were employing :))
Hi Helen,
I don't think that there are many employed window cleaners earning 24k a year, being paid for wet day and getting full holiday entitlement.
As I said OTE 24k, didn't say they got there :)
Sorry, but if they are employed properly, they have to full holiday entitlement or employer could be up sh*t creek.....Used to work in rain anyway so not applicable to us :)
Employing is a hard game, hence the reason why you probably aren't doing it anymore.
You're right it is hard and after about the 15th numpty on window cleaning we changed direction of where we were going with the window cleaning side :)
Still employ on office cleaning though.......safer for my sanity in some respects :)
Not a dig, just a hard fact.
Didn't take it as a dig and there are some out there that ought to take note when people say it is hard employing :)
Cheers,
Dean.
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So Helen how did ur wage packet for window cleaners look to make it up to 24k
What sort of work was it domestics or a mix of Dom n commercial
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If I paid 24k a year for a window cleaner in stoke OTE or not I'd have half of my fed up police colleagues working for me.
A lot of the PC's at my local nick aren't on any where near that figure and they've had their pay frozen for the forseeable future. There used to be a 1k a year standard pay rise up to 30k. That's now stopped.
Dean.
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If I paid 24k a year for a window cleaner in stoke OTE or not I'd have half of my fed up police colleagues working for me.
A lot of the PC's at my local nick aren't on any where near that figure and they've had their pay frozen for the forseeable future. There used to be a 1k a year standard pay rise up to 30k. That's now stopped.
Dean.
At least they would be security cleared, prior to working for you. ;D
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the list at the top starts too high
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So Helen how did ur wage packet for window cleaners look to make it up to 24k
What sort of work was it domestics or a mix of Dom n commercial
Mon to Fri mix of domestic and small commercial.
Mon to Fri inclusive £7.50 per hour (average 36 hours per week)
Mon to Fri inclusive £10 per day attendance fee (if attending all 5 days, all lost if missed 1 day etc)
Mon to Fri inclusive double man working 6% of days income
Mon to Fri inclusive single man working 10% of days income
Sat/Sun (when necessary) working £12 per hour (work that could only be done on weekends, not run of the mill work.)
Holidays pay was the 12 weekly average rolling figure
No sick pay.
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Welll spotted Dean ;D
Let's say he has to have a f*g break as well then :-*
;D
who put 50% ::)
I did - why??
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Welll spotted Dean ;D
Let's say he has to have a f*g break as well then :-*
;D
who put 50% ::)
I did - why??
you pay your staff 50% of everything they earn ?
how many staff do you have
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None - I used to earn 50% for the last bloke I worked for and it was well earned
Never got paid for rainy days or days off - had to pay for fuel and all minor repairs to van, other than that, 50%
I regularly did £200+ a day (work was underpriced too, with no increase in the two years I worked for him),I never had a day off, was always on time, polite and courteous and smartly dressed
If you've got enough work and the right worker then I reckon that's fair
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the list at the top starts too high
What do you pay then?
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None - I used to earn 50% for the last bloke I worked for and it was well earned
Never got paid for rainy days or days off - had to pay for fuel and all minor repairs to van, other than that, 50%
I regularly did £200+ a day (work was underpriced too, with no increase in the two years I worked for him),I never had a day off, was always on time, polite and courteous and smartly dressed
If you've got enough work and the right worker then I reckon that's fair
so you didnt get 50% then as you had to pay for things.
I guess you was also self emplyed, paid for your own insurance etc ?
if so then subby work at 50% he got a cracking deal.
Personally I don't class subbies as staff members as I dont pay thier stamp/tax/etc hence why I questioned the 50% mate, wish I could get them for 50% too
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I did the round then invoiced him for 50% - then had to pay for fuel etc..
According to him I was 'self employed'
I've since read posts on here that say its not true ?
He had total control over what I did, where I went, what I earn etc.. his van, water, equipment, rounds
But I had to pay my own public liability insurance & NI
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the list at the top starts too high
What do you pay then?
iv only been an employer a year now but i know a big boy firm that pays less than me and with penalties if they dont crack on . i myself round up wages if work overruns by a half hour i pay the full hour as a rule and never leave my lads short . basics 7 quid per hour here
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I did the round then invoiced him for 50% - then had to pay for fuel etc..
According to him I was 'self employed'
I've since read posts on here that say its not true ?
He had total control over what I did, where I went, what I earn etc.. his van, water, equipment, rounds
But I had to pay my own public liability insurance & NI
Did he pay your tax or did you ? because sounds to me like you was self employed, when really you should have been employed
my employees, use my vans, my uniform they clean my work, I pay them thier wages, I pay thier holidays, I pay them when they don't work due to weather problems, they have a contract of employment, I pay for employers insurance and public and all releted insurances to cover them and me, I pay thier NI on thier behalf as do I deduct and pay thier tax, I also have to contribute on top to the ni they pay (which I find takes the P, but thats the law) thats sorted out at my accountants as I don't want that job.
I would not pay 50% of my turn over to anyone unless they where a business partner and they invested a large chunk of money or somethuing else into my business
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
Matt, it is a legal requirement to pay your staff holidays
For any of you not doing this, you may want to read this.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10029788
Matt go and sit in the corner :-*
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I paid my tax
Like I say, after reading other posts and visiting hmrc website, it defo sounds a bit dodgy
He's still got 5 lads working this way too
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I paid my tax
Like I say, after reading other posts and visiting hmrc website, it defo sounds a bit dodgy
He's still got 5 lads working this way too
good for you for doing it yourself now anyway mate, sounds like he lost a good staff member had he of looked after you things may have not changed.
with 5 staff and you did he have all the health and safety paper work in place, my guess is no. These people are on a tight rope. one acceident and they will be right in the brown stuff, and they should already know this.
Your better off out of it
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I never saw any documents of any kind!! He threated to make us sign a contract once but It never materialised
The problem I had was I couldn't work with a poor van and old, cobbled together equipment - it was a fair crack wage wise I suppose but I began to resent giving him the money!
Best decision I made methinks going it alone :)
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
Matt, it is a legal requirement to pay your staff holidays
For any of you not doing this, you may want to read this.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10029788
Matt go and sit in the corner :-*
It would have been easier in hindsight if I'd said that they were self-employed, which Helen picked up on in an earlier post. Of course a full time self-employed individual has to be employed by law, but there ways around that particular scenario.
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I pay my staff hol pay.
I don't like it honestly I don't, I think that it should be banned in its current format. I've got 4 full time staff all wanting nigh on 5 wks off with pay so that's 20wks wages peed up the wall.
That's without people being off ill and without taking into account the problems it causes when a driver is off.
As said before window cleaning can be very distressing at times.
At least its saturday though and I've got an indian takeaway heading my way. First of the year i might add.
Cheers,
Dean.
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Assume the individual member of staff can drive, is timely, approachable and polite, works with the intention of producing £240 of work per day/£1,200.00 per week (7 hours a day work at £35.00 per hour). You do not pay them for wet days nor sick nor holidays.
I find it interesting that a majority want to pay £60 for a gross profit of £180 per day. This highlights to me the fact there is room to compete on price and still retain a healthy profit margin. And thats including delivering a more attractive financial package to prospective staff members ;D
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Bloody hell dean ur doing well these dys four full timers
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I pay my staff hol pay.
I don't like it honestly I don't, I think that it should be banned in its current format. I've got 4 full time staff all wanting nigh on 5 wks off with pay so that's 20wks wages peed up the wall.
That's without people being off ill and without taking into account the problems it causes when a driver is off.
As said before window cleaning can be very distressing at times.
At least its saturday though and I've got an indian takeaway heading my way. First of the year i might add.
Cheers,
Dean.
distressing at times is an understatment Dean, you been on that wine again ;D
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Richy,
I wouldn't say doing well mate I just don't know when to say no with regards to new work. With the type of work that we do there isn't much competition because nobody fancies it. Lol.
Ian,
I'm currently suffering from super man flu but I'm giving the low c a go ;D
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Richy,
I wouldn't say doing well mate I just don't know when to say no with regards to new work. With the type of work that we do there isn't much competition because nobody fancies it. Lol.
Ian,
I'm currently suffering from super man flu but I'm giving the low c a go ;D
Busy fool haha gave was saying good things bout u the other day good to be too busy coz ya can always downsize and pick the cream
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I wouldn't say busy fool rich,
Like I said before on a different thread, there's a massive difference between earning money and making money.
Apparently anyone can do mega time a wk on the glass as a one man band and "earn" 1k+ a wk.
Making 1k+ a wk is a different challenge in its own right ;-).
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dean cant say no
he as to get more work for me ;D ;D
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I pay my staff hol pay.
I don't like it honestly I don't, I think that it should be banned in its current format. I've got 4 full time staff all wanting nigh on 5 wks off with pay so that's 20wks wages peed up the wall.
I used to hate pressing the pay button each week for wages, let alone holiday pay ;D
That's without people being off ill and without taking into account the problems it causes when a driver is off.
Total re-schedule of work in 5 minutes flat......i remember it well >:(
As said before window cleaning can be very distressing at times.
Only 5 days a week when you have staff ;D ;D ;D Oh and then of course on Sunday evening ;)
At least its saturday though and I've got an indian takeaway heading my way. First of the year i might add.
and many more to come ;D
Cheers,
Dean.
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I pay my staff hol pay.
I don't like it honestly I don't, I think that it should be banned in its current format. I've got 4 full time staff all wanting nigh on 5 wks off with pay so that's 20wks wages peed up the wall.
I used to hate pressing the pay button each week for wages, let alone holiday pay ;D
That's without people being off ill and without taking into account the problems it causes when a driver is off.
Total re-schedule of work in 5 minutes flat......i remember it well >:(
As said before window cleaning can be very distressing at times.
Only 5 days a week when you have staff ;D ;D ;D Oh and then of course on Sunday evening ;)
At least its saturday though and I've got an indian takeaway heading my way. First of the year i might add.
and many more to come ;D
Cheers,
Dean.
lol love them replies Helen, so close to home I should not laugh, i should cry there is about 5 inches of snow outide and it's still bloody snowing, and I pay wages in snow :-X I need to learn to be horrible to my staff and quickly.
Dean Low C WTF, how do I delete numbers off an iphone ?
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I pay my staff hol pay.
I don't like it honestly I don't, I think that it should be banned in its current format. I've got 4 full time staff all wanting nigh on 5 wks off with pay so that's 20wks wages peed up the wall.
I used to hate pressing the pay button each week for wages, let alone holiday pay ;D
That's without people being off ill and without taking into account the problems it causes when a driver is off.
Total re-schedule of work in 5 minutes flat......i remember it well >:(
As said before window cleaning can be very distressing at times.
Only 5 days a week when you have staff ;D ;D ;D Oh and then of course on Sunday evening ;)
At least its saturday though and I've got an indian takeaway heading my way. First of the year i might add.
and many more to come ;D
Cheers,
Dean.
lol love them replies Helen, so close to home I should not laugh,
yes you should or you'll go down to the funny farm quicker than you think ;D
i should cry there is about 5 inches of snow outide and it's still bloody snowing, and I pay wages in snow
if the worst should happen and you can't work, ask staffies to take paid holiday, ok you still have to pay, but only once if you see what I mean (some may agree, some may not but its worth a go :) :-X
I need to learn to be horrible to my staff and quickly.
No you don't, firm but fair is always the best way :)
Dean Low C WTF, how do I delete numbers off an iphone ?